Missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search

[Basil B]

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OK. This is "out there" and based of other hypothesis and some of my own thoughts over the past 48 hours.

1. Crashed. Still no evidence. Obviously this will take some time but if nothing comes up by the end of the week we can assume that they did not crash where they are searching or they simply did not crash. Why they crashed is not really of issue to my hypothesis.

2. Hijacking without purpose of crashing. I will explain, shortly, why we might not have heard. Plane disappears from normal plane tracking "radar" (I now know more about radar than I did before but not enough...it would seem). If this plane is still flying then we are talking about a hijacker turning off all signals (transponders and the like) and taking the plane down to a low altitude. Plenty of people have said that this would require amazing flying skills...plenty of people have those...including the 2 chaps already in the cockpit.

So, we have a plane flying low, in an unknown direction full of, mainly, people from China or Chinese ethnicity. Where can it go? I do not know about whether it can be detected but can hypothesise about whether anybody is TRYING to detect it. So what is within KL-Beijing + 2 hours (the fuel on board) distance? Xinjiang certainly is. With the MASSIVE terrorist attack in Kunming on March 1st there was no announcement to claim the attack. The claiming was done by the media and the government.

In this, incredibly unlikely, turn of events where is the use for the terrorists? VERY simple. We're all talking about this incredible mystery. We're all focussed on it. That is what terrorism (I am using a vastly over-used word there) is meant to do. It is not the process of killing that is the aim...it is the attention garnered.

Lets move forward a short while. Lets hypothesise that another plane goes missing in similar circumstances. Now where are the hearts and minds of the world's population? In the hands of the organising group. Where are they? Communicating with the right people...not us.

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Please understand that I feel we are dealing with wreckage here but every moment that passes makes me question that more and more. I'm sure we're all the same. Of course this plane has crashed (whether terrorist, mechanical or pilot error) but each moment that passes with an increasing amount of resources turning up nothing makes us ask questions.

What if this plane hasn't crashed?

Please can the experts step forward and put me back in my box. I know the I might be giving Clancy a run for his money here but we do tend to just "compartmentalise" a downed plane (nasty though it is). 239 people missing without a trace? That stuff sticks.

(I know I'm going to regret pressing post)

Totally valid perspectives.

if it didn't crash than it landed somewhere as it only had enough gas to get an hour or so beyond Bejing.

So , where is it??

no country would allow it to land without everyone finding out

its a long shot but if it was hijacked ,they could still be in negeotiations with the hijackers

and thus media blackout etc

if it is extremeists ,they may have asked for people to be released from jail

or negeotiating for something that the country involved doesnt want to give them

its unlikely that the chinese ,malaysians and the usa doesnt know what happened

the nsa knows when you last took a shit ,to think they dont know about this is ridiculous

Possible...

But not that easy to hide a plane of that size, although many governments have control over their own news media and could impose a national news blackout they have no control over news media outside their jurisdiction, apart from that it would have been leaked on the internet.

China and North Korea are possibly the only two countries able to carry this out.

[angeldevil69]

What if the plane never crashed? Turned off its transponder, dumped fuel and landed?

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[speedtripler]

Possible...

But not that easy to hide a plane of that size, although many governments have control over their own news media and could impose a national news blackout they have no control over news media outside their jurisdiction, apart from that it would have been leaked on the internet.

China and North Korea are possibly the only two countries able to carry this out.

thats the thing ,it may not be hidden ,it could be on a runway somewhere for all we know

if muslims hijacked it and demanded all muslims be released from jail worldwide or chinese extremists

demanded all their friends be released from jail its probably not gonna happen and the passenegers will

be sacrificed

not many nations will bend over for hijackers even if a plane is involved but you can see why they would want

it kept quiet because relatives would demand they get whatever they want to ensure loved ones are released

its very strange that not so much as a suitcase has been found if it really went down in the water by accident

many pilots can land a plane nearly intact on calm water and this pilot had a lot of experience

[RedNIvar]

Latest speculations at pprune.org:

Could the Malay Govt be covering up the fact that they took this plane out, because it was a security threat (hijacked, full of fuel, heading for KL)

If that would have been the case, shouldn't the publicly available ADS-B signal first show that the plane was turning around and it would be heading towards KL?

On the other hand, if the hijacking happened earlier on the flight and the terrorists gained the control of the plane did turn the transponders off before making a turn back to KL. Then it would make sense. Ok.

Not possible, firstly no such thing as Malay Govt. Secondly, you give the Malaysian Govt too much credit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay

[schondie]

What if the plane never crashed? Turned off its transponder, dumped fuel and landed?

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Landed where? Someone would notice a Boeing 777 landing at their airport.

I believe the Malay navy is now scouring the Straits of Mallacca, nobody has a clue where it went to be honest. Most strange.

[sirchai]

With so many items clutching at straw this might well be another one. Haven't had time to verify. It comes from pprune - http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-63.html

This is still Google translated so careful...

1400 local: Singapore's C130 is said to have sighted "a suspected lifeboat-like object" at N081605 E1025111, 140 km SW of Tho Chu island.

"Physical comfort is detected lifeboat gray striped red and blue (the color logo of Malaysia). "

[The report appears to suggest the object is emergency chute size. But I have never heard chutes are be painted in airline livery colors....]

Surface vessels on their way to investigate.

I'm going to see if I can verify. Anybody else want to help?

twitter has something too

Vietnamese news?

12:40 -depart KLIA

1.22 -Fail to chk in with HCM

2:41 -Subang ATC 'lost contact'

Time-line is not right

Totally agree Codyblade.

This is something I commented on immediately the details were released.

Our system shows it at 35000 feet around 1710 GMT other trackers continued to see it until around 1720 by which time it was out at sea.

Official reports say it was lost around 1840.....but by that time it would have been 4-500 miles north of where they are searching.

The search area correlates with a time of around 1720-30 GMT.

Of course trackers only track the avionics , not the a/c .... so the a/c may well have continued having suffered a systems loss , but this is an area of intense military interest . DSP satellites watch this region closely for flashes and bursts of radiation relating to missile launches etc....and there

may well have been operational ocean bound radar platforms

It seems pretty obvious to me that military observers know much more than they are letting on.

Please see #1245p

[steven100]

This is very strange indeed.

If the plane had crashed into the waters south of Vietnam then there would certainly be debris of some sort even minor somewhere and it should have been spotted by now , there are some 40 or so planes out there looking.

This tells me that is it possible that it hasn't gone down in the water and therefore only on land within the surrounding region as the fuel is only suffice for 7 hrs flying i believe but it already used some.

[schondie]

The oil slick is not from the plane!

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/10/Missing-MH370-oil-slick-not-from-plane/

[speedtripler]

With so many items clutching at straw this might well be another one. Haven't had time to verify. It comes from pprune - http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-63.html

This is still Google translated so careful...

1400 local: Singapore's C130 is said to have sighted "a suspected lifeboat-like object" at N081605 E1025111, 140 km SW of Tho Chu island.

"Physical comfort is detected lifeboat gray striped red and blue (the color logo of Malaysia). "

[The report appears to suggest the object is emergency chute size. But I have never heard chutes are be painted in airline livery colors....]

Surface vessels on their way to investigate.

I'm going to see if I can verify. Anybody else want to help?

twitter has something too

Vietnamese news?

It seems pretty obvious to me that military observers know much more than they are letting on.

Please see #1245p

that would be my best guess also ,pity it will probably take about 10 years to get some truth out of the people that know

a plane doesnt vanish off everyones radar screens at the same time in a area like this thats under heavy surveilance 24/7

[laobali]

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dont know i fit had RR engines but they communicate back to RR HQ when a plane is in the air ,giving all data about the health of the engines .

They were RR engines so that is a good point to make. How do you know this? Just asking.

Saw it on commercial TV?

[iancnx]

The longer this remains a mystery I see 3 possible scenarios

HiJacking resulting in one of the following:

1. Change of course and a crash either on land or sea, in an isolated area yet to be searched.

2. A successful landing and the government concerned has locked down all publicity and media

3. Change of course perceived to be a threat similar to 9/11 and aircraft shot down.

IMO the longer there is no news, then the chances of an airframe catastrophe on or near the flight path is become slimmer and slimmer.

Another explanation might be is the military have shot it down by mistake.... But where is the wreckage? So unlikely unless the flight went way off course into a militarised zone.

So so sorry for the poor souls on board. The family and friends must be inconsolable. Ghastly business.

[canuckamuck]

If there is no wreckage by this time tomorrow; my guesses would be:

-It disintegrated in the air but in a different place then they are looking for it.

-Some sort of total electrical malfunction made them ditch, but they sank with the aircraft mainly intact.

-It crashed over land and the smoke was gone by daylight, it is burning season and there are some sparsely populated places in Cambodia where the locals might not say anything even if they saw something.

- The hijackers were successful in getting the plane down somehow, either by forcing the pilots or by their own pilot.

The failure of all transponders is the pickle though. Very strange indeed.

[coma]

Not a pleasant thought for relatives..but "Intelligence" will have to be checking EVERY passenger and crew.

Including ground personnel. The plane was in service 8 days before this incident.

Stunex teached us that it's possible to do quite incredible things with computer viruses. I assume that the plane systems are using quite specialised embedded code, but would it possible to include unauthorized code during system upgrades? Just an thought of possibilities.

Or... well, there might be several different ways to sabotage a place if one have access to it while is on ground.

if airline maintaince did it ,theres probably a 100 ways to take a plane down but a bomb would be simple to hide if you are working on the plane for 8 days

that is probably the only way to explain the transponders not sending any signals because a light crash in shallow water doesnt cut it

Well then where the hell is it ?

[goatfarmer]

x 20 scientists on board responsible for developing a fully electric car, thereby making fossil fuels redundant. Is this a fact?

...presumably powered by batteries charged by conventional energy.

Edited March 10, 2014 by goatfarmer

[Tywais]

The oil slick is not from the plane!

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/10/Missing-MH370-oil-slick-not-from-plane/

Missing MH370: Oil slick not from plane, says MMEA

PASIR PUTEH: Tests on a sample of the oil slick found off the Kelantan coast reveal that it was not from the missing Malaysia Airlines MH370 flight.

Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) eastern region enforcement chief Datuk Nasir Adam revealed test results showed that it was bunkering activities.

"This is information I received from Kuala Lumpur. The oil slick is from bunkering activities and not from an aircraft," said Nasir at the MMEA's base in Tok Bali here on Monday.

Officials at the MH370 operation coordinating centre in Sepang said this was confirmed by the Chemistry Department.

More here - Thestar

************* Definition of Bunkering as I had no idea **********************

Fuel tanks on ships are known as bunkers, and the process of fueling termed bunkering.

[bkkjames]

I still cannot understand in year 2014 that one of the largest most sophisticated aircraft ever made can allude authorities for so long unless...it hasnt and other things are still in play.

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[speedtripler]

If there is no wreckage by this time tomorrow; my guesses would be:

-It disintegrated in the air but in a different place then they are looking for it.

-Some sort of total electrical malfunction made them ditch, but they sank with the aircraft mainly intact.

-It crashed over land and the smoke was gone by daylight, it is burning season and there are some sparsely populated places in Cambodia where the locals might not say anything even if they saw something.

- The hijackers were successful in getting the plane down somehow, either by forcing the pilots or by their own pilot.

The failure of all transponders is the pickle though. Very strange indeed.

very strange indeed

on my phone with google earth i can see my car and motorbikes parked outside the house

military technology is usually decades more advanced than anything civilians get to play with

but with 8 governments ,navys and 20+ planes they havent manged to find a single piece of wreckage

theres 2 possibilites being thrown around which neither seem very likely

1: it exploded in mid air at 30,000 feet in which case the debris would be floating for miles and found already but no time for SOS call

2: it went down and the captain landed it in one piece ,in which case he could glide for 20 min and presumably make an SOS call

nothing here explains why the transponders are not sending a signal 200-300km out and in 50 odd metres of water ,thats weird

[coma]

The oil slick is not from the plane!

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/10/Missing-MH370-oil-slick-not-from-plane/

The last two paragraphs of this story, that of the eyewitness account makes me feel sick to the stomach. He may have witness an act of extreme cunning, the likes of which are rarely,if ever seen. Highly unlikely but image what a group of terrorists could do with a Boeing 777 that has been in their possession for a period of time long enough so as to ready it for an attack.

[coma]

If there is no wreckage by this time tomorrow; my guesses would be:

-It disintegrated in the air but in a different place then they are looking for it.

-Some sort of total electrical malfunction made them ditch, but they sank with the aircraft mainly intact.

-It crashed over land and the smoke was gone by daylight, it is burning season and there are some sparsely populated places in Cambodia where the locals might not say anything even if they saw something.

- The hijackers were successful in getting the plane down somehow, either by forcing the pilots or by their own pilot.

The failure of all transponders is the pickle though. Very strange indeed.

very strange indeed

on my phone with google earth i can see my car and motorbikes parked outside the house

military technology is usually decades more advanced than anything civilians get to play with

but with 8 governments ,navys and 20+ planes they havent manged to find a single piece of wreckage

theres 2 possibilites being thrown around which neither seem very likely

1: it exploded in mid air at 30,000 feet in which case the debris would be floating for miles and found already but no time for SOS call

2: it went down and the captain landed it in one piece ,in which case he could glide for 20 min and presumably make an SOS call

nothing here explains why the transponders are not sending a signal 200-300km out and in 50 odd metres of water ,thats weird

The cockpit crew were/ are compliant ????

[Yahooka]

Just to update from the earlier suspected sighting of a life raft it has now been shown to be a cover of a cable-roll.

yellow object identified as cover of a cable roll, not a "life raft"

Have no other confirmation at present.

And it would have been a life vest not an life raft..... Never heard of commercial planes carries life rafts.

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[vanillalatte]

Just to update from the earlier suspected sighting of a life raft it has now been shown to be a cover of a cable-roll.

yellow object identified as cover of a cable roll, not a "life raft"

Have no other confirmation at present.

And it would have been a life vest not an life raft..... Never heard of commercial planes carries life rafts.

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Next time you fly - read security flier you may find in front of you in the pocket:

on the pictures you will see slides which are turned into rafts - after they are separated from aircraft.

I do not wish you any bad luck, but it is better to be prepared in advance!

It cost nothing to read this things and think about extraordinary circumstances which may occur sometimes, never to us, lets hope.

Edited March 10, 2014 by theoldgit
Quote fixed

[draftvader]

Just to update from the earlier suspected sighting of a life raft it has now been shown to be a cover of a cable-roll.

yellow object identified as cover of a cable roll, not a "life raft"

Have no other confirmation at present.

And it would have been a life vest not an life raft..... Never heard of commercial planes carries life rafts.

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Apart from the detachable slides that serve as life rafts....or at least that's what they keep telling me after demonstrating a seat-belt...which I'm proud to say I know how to operate (well, I'm nearly 40).

[speedtripler]

If there is no wreckage by this time tomorrow; my guesses would be:

-It disintegrated in the air but in a different place then they are looking for it.

-Some sort of total electrical malfunction made them ditch, but they sank with the aircraft mainly intact.

-It crashed over land and the smoke was gone by daylight, it is burning season and there are some sparsely populated places in Cambodia where the locals might not say anything even if they saw something.

- The hijackers were successful in getting the plane down somehow, either by forcing the pilots or by their own pilot.

The failure of all transponders is the pickle though. Very strange indeed.

very strange indeed

on my phone with google earth i can see my car and motorbikes parked outside the house

military technology is usually decades more advanced than anything civilians get to play with

but with 8 governments ,navys and 20+ planes they havent manged to find a single piece of wreckage

theres 2 possibilites being thrown around which neither seem very likely

1: it exploded in mid air at 30,000 feet in which case the debris would be floating for miles and found already but no time for SOS call

2: it went down and the captain landed it in one piece ,in which case he could glide for 20 min and presumably make an SOS call

nothing here explains why the transponders are not sending a signal 200-300km out and in 50 odd metres of water ,thats weird

The cockpit crew were/ are compliant ????

this area is closely monitored for military and political reasons ,i dont think a b-52 stealth bomber could fly through there unnoticed thesedays never mind a commercial airliner

guess wel find out out soon enough though .........whatever it was ,they cant hide it forever ........

[Basil B]

Just to update from the earlier suspected sighting of a life raft it has now been shown to be a cover of a cable-roll.

yellow object identified as cover of a cable roll, not a "life raft"

Have no other confirmation at present.

And it would have been a life vest not an life raft..... Never heard of commercial planes carries life rafts.

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"Escape slides are packed and held within the door structure inside the slide bustle, a protruding part of the inside of an aircraft door that varies in size depending on both the size of the aircraft and the size of the door.

Many, but not all slides are also designed to double as life rafts in case of a water landing."

[goatfarmer]

What if the plane never crashed? Turned off its transponder, dumped fuel and landed?

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Then it would have been detected by radar or, if flying below radar levels, observed by people on the ground.

[Tywais]

Just to update from the earlier suspected sighting of a life raft it has now been shown to be a cover of a cable-roll.

yellow object identified as cover of a cable roll, not a "life raft"

Have no other confirmation at present.

And it would have been a life vest not an life raft..... Never heard of commercial planes carries life rafts.

Regulations require any commercial aircraft flying over water to have auto-inflating life rafts. Though I have seen reports that may not be as rigid a standard as it should be. This could be a separate life raft or the escape slides that are meant for dual purpose.

A good example is the US Air Flight 1549 that did a water landing on the Hudson River as can be seen below, and that was a domestic flight:

Another example:

[coma]

BBC reporting that Malay police know who one of the individuals traveling on false documents is. But they will not release his name. Just saying that he is a non- Malaysian male of asian ethnicity.

[Chicog]

very strange indeed

on my phone with google earth i can see my car and motorbikes parked outside the house

Not live you can't.

On Google Earth I can see a tree in my garden that does not exist.

[steve73]

What if the plane never crashed? Turned off its transponder, dumped fuel and landed?

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Then it would have been detected by radar or, if flying below radar levels, observed by people on the ground.

Plenty of area it wouldn't get spotted by poeple on the ground, or it could have headed eastward toward Philipines..

[goatfarmer]

What if the plane never crashed? Turned off its transponder, dumped fuel and landed?

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Then it would have been detected by radar or, if flying below radar levels, observed by people on the ground.

Plenty of area it wouldn't get spotted by poeple on the ground, or it could have headed eastward toward Philipines..

Then it would be a needle in a haystack.

Edited March 10, 2014 by goatfarmer