Missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search

[loongdavid]

Nice theories but, let's inject a bit of reality here. Diego Garcia (DG) belongs to the UK, it is part of British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT) and the airfield, port and atoll have been leased to the United States Navy (USN). Control of who lands and disembarks at the airport is in the hands of British Border Protection officers with a contingent of UK Police officers there as backup. No-one, I repeat no-one, could land at DG without hundreds of UK, US and others witnessing the event and you can bet they would instantly tell the world via e-mail etc. if anything such as has been described ever took place. And no, I'm not telling you how I know all this............ Good theory though

[GentlemanJim]

It is not a 'witch hunt' (as G.Jim asserts) to put forth theories about what may have happened. We're all armchair investigators here. When I 1st heard about the MA flight, on the 1st day the story broke, I suggested pilot suicide/mass murder, and I'm still of that opinion, when viewing the bits of evidence we (the general public) have been fed.

Interesting that Australia is offering to take care of relatives. I wouldn't be surprised if the US does the same. It may sound crass to say this, but relatives are going to come in to decent amounts of money from settlements, and when people have money, they tend to spend it. Wouldn't be surprised if some of the Asian relatives choose to move to Australia or the US.

I disagree.

You are correct in that it is not a witch hunt to say it was technical failure, there was a fire, there was an explosion, there was a hijack etc etc, I am not saying that, please rumour away to your hearts content, but it DOES become a witch hunt went someone of otherwise good character has their name besmirched and his personal life exposed for all to gloat over and criticise. The Captain also has a wife and children who no doubt are trying to cope with the double tragedy of losing Dad and seeing Dad in the press being implicated as the murderer of the other people on board, and until such times as proof is found that he did in fact flip or was a terrorist it is wrong in every sense to not only suggest it but to actively promote that idea. I remind you again of comments on this very thread "The Captain is as guilty as sin". That is not the mature voice of someone discussing, debating or rationalising theories, that is the language of the witch hunt, the vigilante. It is wrong. You can postulate and hypothesise on as many theories as you like, I will join you, but lets leave out besmirching one person when there is NO evidence other than things that have been completely embellished to suggest that he committed suicide. Some of the language being used on this thread is plain wrong. Can you see the difference?

As to your last paragraph, an absolutely spot on observation. Why on earth would Australia, who reject people every day for immigration or asylum purposes want to help the relatives of victims of an accident of Malaysian origin.....money, and now a US law firm has waded in it will be big bucks. I think the motives seem quite transparent. How awful.

[khaosai]

Hi,

I didn't even think this form of tracking would have been possible using the satellite with the aircraft onboard systems not working/switched off. Imagine searching for an aircraft in the area it was last spotted, when it was in fact potentially 3000 miles away. Any airline or government would have a very difficult job to disprove any form of cover up. Very interesting indeed.

Following on from Jim's post, it must be a truly horrible place to be for the crew members families with some of the finger pointing going on. I really hope the crew are not involved but it's an avenue the investigators will have to travel down.

Edited March 26, 2014 by khaosai

[3NUMBAS]

the area to search is twice the size of France ! mystery of the half ping ?

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/25/flight-mh370-was-final-unexplained-transmission-a-message-from-the-crew-as-plane-entered-catastrophic-phase/

Flight MH370: Was final, unexplained transmission a message from the crew as plane entered ‘catastrophic phase’?

“There is evidence of a partial handshake between the aircraft and ground station at 00:19 GMT,” said Hishammuddin Hussein, the acting transport minister. “This transmission is not understood and is subject to further ongoing work.”

Thomas Withington, a defence electronics analyst, told The Daily Telegraph: “It sounds like the aircraft began to squawk a message and for some reason this was curtailed. It could be because the aircraft was at a catastrophic phase of its flight – that something was causing it to crash – or there could be some atmospheric disturbance.

“Was a crew member trying to send a message? Was the aircraft trying to send a message? Was there a malfunction? Those questions can only be answered if the cockpit voice recorders and flight data recorder are recovered.”

Edited March 26, 2014 by 3NUMBAS

[Tywais]

‘The most credible lead we have’: 122 objects spotted through the cloud cover in MH370 search'

Flight MH370 search targeting site pinpointed by Airbus satellite

PERTH, Australia — Malaysia says a satellite has captured images of 122 objects in the Indian Ocean that might be from the missing plane as the desperate, multinational hunt for Flight 370 resumed Wednesday across a remote stretch of the Indian Ocean.

Defence Minister Hishammuddin Hussein says the objects were seen close to where three other satellites previously detected objects.

He said Wednesday the sightings together are “the most credible lead that we have.”

Hishammuddin said the images were taken Sunday and were relayed by French-based Airbus Defence and Space.

More here - Nationalpost

[hawker9000]

all this hassle over a $20 GPS unit that would have solved it in a few hours ,seems unbelievably stingy in ths iday and age .

but the last ping was only half a ping so thats where it went down if they can figure that out

Oh, really? And how would a $20 Garmin or Magellan unit that's telling you where to turn to get to some new bar you're trying to find (yeah, I know there are units for light aircraft as well), be telling someone who wants to know where a commercial aircraft is inflight?

You're confusing the ability to track one's own position while driving/flying, with the ability to have that position reported automatically & continuously to someone on the ground. And in this case, do so hundreds, even thousands, of miles out over the water.

Yeah. It can be done. Not for $20 and a trip to Best Buy though.

[Thai at Heart]

Sorry if this has been here before.

UK satellite operator used 19th century physics to trace missing plane
(Reuters) - Britain's Inmarsat used a wave phenomenon discovered in the 19th century to analyze the seven pings its satellite picked up from Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 to determine its final destination.
---8<---
From the time the signals took to reach the satellite and the angle of elevation, Inmarsat was able to provide two arcs, one north and one south that the aircraft could have taken.
Inmarsat's scientists then interrogated the faint pings using a technique based on the Doppler effect, which describes how a wave changes frequency relative to the movement of an observer, in this case the satellite, a spokesman said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/24/us-malaysia-airlines-inmarsat-pings-idUSBREA2N1OJ20140324

Can any physicist or anyone else figure out what they did?

The series of pings gave a certain distance, which could have only happened on two sets of arcs. Or I assume 4 sets of arcs, but the west side of the satellite was not in play.

How would the Doppler effect be different on the southern track versus the northern track? The shapes of the tracks did not appear to be symmetrical on a map, so I assume their satellites are not quite over the equator. Would that have anything to do with it? Is is related to the fact that the earth is not a perfect sphere and the satellite is slightly off the equator?

It was complicated. They knew it was on either a north or south line because of the time it took to reach the satellite. Then they used the Doppler effect and some clever trigonometry to work out whether it was going north or south.

Very clever bunch

I thought I understood Doppler shift, but don't understand how it could be used to work out northern arc or southern arc either, as it seems to me both would have had identical slight "opening" relative velocities as observed from a geo-stationary satellite. But just because I don't have that particular technical understanding doesn't mean I don't accept its validity. I actually think this satellite data is, so far, the most helpful & reliable information available revealing what became of this flight, far more-so than indistinct satellite photos of floating debris and people claiming they saw something from 35,000 ft. It pretty much "cures me" of the landed-in-Pakistan-or-Iran theory, for now...

There is a video on YouTube about it. Its complicated but actually very simple. If the plane was moving south to north, the frequency would have been different to moving the other way because the satellite was not at a stationary point.

The lines are straight, but relative distance changes the frequency of the ping.

[balo]

Satellite images reveals nothing until someone actually picks up the debris floating around in the ocean.

And to my surprise still no real evidence found.....

[hawker9000]

Sorry if this has been here before.

UK satellite operator used 19th century physics to trace missing plane

(Reuters) - Britain's Inmarsat used a wave phenomenon discovered in the 19th century to analyze the seven pings its satellite picked up from Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 to determine its final destination.

---8<---

From the time the signals took to reach the satellite and the angle of elevation, Inmarsat was able to provide two arcs, one north and one south that the aircraft could have taken.

Inmarsat's scientists then interrogated the faint pings using a technique based on the Doppler effect, which describes how a wave changes frequency relative to the movement of an observer, in this case the satellite, a spokesman said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/24/us-malaysia-airlines-inmarsat-pings-idUSBREA2N1OJ20140324

Can any physicist or anyone else figure out what they did?

The series of pings gave a certain distance, which could have only happened on two sets of arcs. Or I assume 4 sets of arcs, but the west side of the satellite was not in play.

How would the Doppler effect be different on the southern track versus the northern track? The shapes of the tracks did not appear to be symmetrical on a map, so I assume their satellites are not quite over the equator. Would that have anything to do with it? Is is related to the fact that the earth is not a perfect sphere and the satellite is slightly off the equator?

It was complicated. They knew it was on either a north or south line because of the time it took to reach the satellite. Then they used the Doppler effect and some clever trigonometry to work out whether it was going north or south.

Very clever bunch

I thought I understood Doppler shift, but don't understand how it could be used to work out northern arc or southern arc either, as it seems to me both would have had identical slight "opening" relative velocities as observed from a geo-stationary satellite. But just because I don't have that particular technical understanding doesn't mean I don't accept its validity. I actually think this satellite data is, so far, the most helpful & reliable information available revealing what became of this flight, far more-so than indistinct satellite photos of floating debris and people claiming they saw something from 35,000 ft. It pretty much "cures me" of the landed-in-Pakistan-or-Iran theory, for now...

There is a video on YouTube about it. Its complicated but actually very simple. If the plane was moving south to north, the frequency would have been different to moving the other way because the satellite was not at a stationary point.

The lines are straight, but relative distance changes the frequency of the ping.

I'll have to find that video & watch it. I thought the satellite concerned actually was geo-stationary though. Not only that, but pretty much oriented so that both the north- and southbound tracks being discussed are pretty much tangential to it (i.e., such that neither track angles toward or away from it). If not so, then Doppler shift from the two tracks would not be the same (one would be toward and "up", and the other away and "down") and I guess I can begin to see how discrimination between northbound & southbound tracks might be possible.

[wooloomooloo]

The search has moved into an interesting phase.

The Australian Prime Minister states that the search can't go on indefinitely, and quite right he is. The Chinese might not see it that way, for obvious reasons, and they'll certainly be the last to leave but they won't go on forever either.

There's good reason for the concentrated search in the southern Indian Ocean as that's where the aircraft finally ditched and no bones about it. It just so happens to be a vast expanse of ocean.

If I were to lay odds, I'd go evens on finding the flight recorder within the next two years.

Edited March 26, 2014 by wooloomooloo

[Tywais]

I'll have to find that video & watch it.

A simplistic view on YouTube describing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CMSpXuVsTA

[3NUMBAS]

all this hassle over a $20 GPS unit that would have solved it in a few hours ,seems unbelievably stingy in ths iday and age .

but the last ping was only half a ping so thats where it went down if they can figure that out

Oh, really? And how would a $20 Garmin or Magellan unit that's telling you where to turn to get to some new bar you're trying to find (yeah, I know there are units for light aircraft as well), be telling someone who wants to know where a commercial aircraft is inflight?

You're confusing the ability to track one's own position while driving/flying, with the ability to have that position reported automatically & continuously to someone on the ground. And in this case, do so hundreds, even thousands, of miles out over the water.

Yeah. It can be done. Not for $20 and a trip to Best Buy though.

part of an integrate system not a separate unit silly person , inmarsat quote less than $ an hour ,so flight lasts 11 hours thats less than $20

[hawker9000]

all this hassle over a $20 GPS unit that would have solved it in a few hours ,seems unbelievably stingy in ths iday and age .

but the last ping was only half a ping so thats where it went down if they can figure that out

Oh, really? And how would a $20 Garmin or Magellan unit that's telling you where to turn to get to some new bar you're trying to find (yeah, I know there are units for light aircraft as well), be telling someone who wants to know where a commercial aircraft is inflight?

You're confusing the ability to track one's own position while driving/flying, with the ability to have that position reported automatically & continuously to someone on the ground. And in this case, do so hundreds, even thousands, of miles out over the water.

Yeah. It can be done. Not for $20 and a trip to Best Buy though.

part of an integrate system not a separate unit silly person , inmarsat quote less than $ an hour ,so flight lasts 11 hours thats less than $20

...and NOT some trivial "$20 GPS unit", as an even sillier person has said...

Edited March 26, 2014 by hawker9000

[EyesWideOpen]

Looks like the hard drive on the captain's simulator does not have any incriminating flight scenarios.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/26/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

"An ongoing FBI review of the missing jet's pilots' hard drives, including the captain's flight simulator, has not turned up a "smoking gun," a U.S. official with knowledge of the investigation told CNN."They have accessed the data," the official said. "There is nothing that's jumping out and grabbing us right now.

"The official would not reveal what was on the hard drive, but said the Malaysia Airlines pilot did not encrypt any of the files nor did he appear to go to any great lengths to scrub the hard drive when he deleted files last month."

On a side note, I am not impressed by the blurry blobs from the satellite images. If their resolution is actually

that low, seems like they are a waste of money. I still have a sense they are intentionally blurring the images

to protect the actual capability of the satellite.

[sunshine51]

Looks like the hard drive on the captain's simulator does not have any incriminating flight scenarios.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/26/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

"An ongoing FBI review of the missing jet's pilots' hard drives, including the captain's flight simulator, has not turned up a "smoking gun," a U.S. official with knowledge of the investigation told CNN."They have accessed the data," the official said. "There is nothing that's jumping out and grabbing us right now.

"The official would not reveal what was on the hard drive, but said the Malaysia Airlines pilot did not encrypt any of the files nor did he appear to go to any great lengths to scrub the hard drive when he deleted files last month."

On a side note, I am not impressed by the blurry blobs from the satellite images. If their resolution is actually

that low, seems like they are a waste of money. I still have a sense they are intentionally blurring the images

to protect the actual capability of the satellite.

On a lighter note I wonder how large his porn collection was?

But seriously, many pilots have fltsims at home so whatever he had on his HDD is not surprising,

not even the erased stuff.

With that said here's a report from the SMH yesterday that reveals more speculation on a much more

serious note...links below...

http://media.smh.com.au/news/world-news/mh370-pilot-in-no-state-of-mind-to-fly-5295827.html

http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-pilot-terribly-upset-by-marriage-breakup-20140326-zqn4p.html

I'm not one for the pilot suicide theory but I do know Lindsay Murdoch (The Age) quite well and I will

vouch that he wouldn't put his name to a BS story.

In other news....

Seems that what appears to be an aircraft fire suppression bottle (fire extinguisher) has floated

onto a beach in the Maldives. In one report it has been dismissed as an explosive device. I have

practical knowledge in many explosive devices including antiship mines and what has washed

ashore in the Maldives is way too small to be an antiship mine. So what is it? I reckon it's

an aircraft engine fire extinguisher bottle....but then again...I have only seen one of these in

my life at that was a long tome ago....here's a pic & some links to verify what I have hacked

here and to help you come to a conclusion on your own...

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/mh370-evidence

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54178

http://aae-ltd.com/extinguisher-bottle-assembly/

Inmarsat & Doppler extrapolation says Southern IO.

Eyewitnesses & some verifiable debris (even though

some say explosive device) indicate otherwise. Why?

The haystack is becoming rather hard to locate IMO.

And yes the satellite images are purposly blurred to hide

the true imaging capabilities of whichever satellite grabbed

the images....especially if they originated from a Cosmos or

KH series intelligence satellite.

NB...edit to add an "A".

Edited March 27, 2014 by sunshine51

[Chicog]

all this hassle over a $20 GPS unit that would have solved it in a few hours ,seems unbelievably stingy in ths iday and age .

but the last ping was only half a ping so thats where it went down if they can figure that out

Oh, really? And how would a $20 Garmin or Magellan unit that's telling you where to turn to get to some new bar you're trying to find (yeah, I know there are units for light aircraft as well), be telling someone who wants to know where a commercial aircraft is inflight?

You're confusing the ability to track one's own position while driving/flying, with the ability to have that position reported automatically & continuously to someone on the ground. And in this case, do so hundreds, even thousands, of miles out over the water.

Yeah. It can be done. Not for $20 and a trip to Best Buy though.

Again: $10 a flight using existing tech according to Inmarsat. It should at least be explored.

Sent from my SM-N9005 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

[sunshine51]

The Doppler effect in a nutshell...radar mostly...but almost any frequency will do

nicely...

Let's say we have a radar transmitter operating at 10MHz for figure of speech OK.
I will omit the Pulse Repition Frequency and Pulse Width details for simplicity sake.
But lets say our 10MHz radar transmitter sends out 2 pulses per second...that is its
PRF (Pulse Repetition Frequency). Oh wait I forgot...I wasn't gonna include this;
but it is necessary to do so...bear with me.

Every pulse that our radar sends out is exactly at 10MHz with no shift in frequency
either to the positive side or negative side of 10MHz. We have good techs that keep
it at exactly 10MHz. What I'm gonna say next relates to our radar operating at exactly
10MHz...not even a single hertz off in either way...bang on 10MHz...OK!

So Dereck the radar operator see's on his scope an object moving across his screen
from left to right at 5 miles distance. He knows it has to be 5 miles on his scope because
the range rings on his scope tell him so. It only takes a nanosecond (or much less) for
the pulse from our 10MHz radar transmitter to exit the antenna go to the target and return
via the same antenna then go to the receiver that does the magic needed to give Dereck
the display on his scope. Let's say that our radar receiver has a tolerance of 0.0000010
MHz.

Dereck also notices another object on his scope traveling from right to left at 100 miles.

If we were to examine the frequency of the 5 mile return signal very carefully & accurately
we may notice that this signal is not at the exact 10MHz transmitted frequency....it's a bit
less...say at 9.9999993MHz...but our receiver doesn't care about this as it is close enough
and it's our radar too boot.

Now the 100 mile signal...If we were to examine the frequency of the return signal of the
100 mile target very carefully and accurately we may find that it is 9.9999989 Mhz...but our
receiver doesn't care about this either as it is close enough and it's our radar too boot.

The difference between 9.9999993MHz and 9.9999989 Mhz is miniscule but very important
because it is known as Doppler Shift...inherrent in all transmitters regardless of spectrum
as the transmitted signal travels through free space (propagation) bounces off a targe(reflection)
and returns through free space (return propagation). The difference is very small but can be
measured and many radars of today are Doppler radars...mid range weather radar is a good
example. These radars are more accurate than bog standard radars because they measure the
shift between transmitted frequency, received frequency and time to target/return from target.
Yes...electrons move at the speed of light but their frequency shifts ever so slightly as
distance increases or decreases. The further away the more shift, the closer to origin-less
shift.

Thank you Christion Doppler.

[chooka]

Satellite images reveals nothing until someone actually picks up the debris floating around in the ocean.

And to my surprise still no real evidence found.....

This is what they are searching in, not hard to understand how difficult it is to locate white objects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bH1nDL3ynY&feature=player_embedded

The video was published on YouTube via Global Leaks, reportedly produced by a 'Salha Zain', and has had more than 100,000 views.

"This footage shows a search vessel in the middle of the Indian ocean attempting to find clues," Global Leaks wrote.

[Jacqqq]

Below extracted from MY's The New Straits Time.

Sounds ominous in the light of the tragedy ...

Also expressing his sadness in the social website was Mohaza MohaZa, believed to be a close friend of Zaharie.

"Zaharie (Arie)..If this is what your fate is..now I understand what you were trying to say to me on Hari Raya Aidilfitri last year (at Jalan Perak cemetery, Penang). It was actually a hint that you would be leaving all of us.

"Zaharie told me (jokingly) that I would not ever see his grave. This was what he meant. Now I understand. His grave is in the Indian Ocean. Al-Fatihah.. May Allah SWT bless his soul and those of the other Muslims on MH370, Amin," MohaZa had written.

Read more: MH370 Lost in Indian Ocean:Family members express grief on social media - Latest - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-mh370-lost-in-indian-ocean-font-family-members-express-grief-on-social-media-1.532387#ixzz2x2yUiEPg

Edited March 27, 2014 by Jacqqq

[y2k]

Satellite images reveals nothing until someone actually picks up the debris floating around in the ocean.

And to my surprise still no real evidence found.....

This is what they are searching in, not hard to understand how difficult it is to locate white objects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bH1nDL3ynY&feature=player_embedded

The video was published on YouTube via Global Leaks, reportedly produced by a 'Salha Zain', and has had more than 100,000 views.

"This footage shows a search vessel in the middle of the Indian ocean attempting to find clues," Global Leaks wrote.

Tough job!

[EyesWideOpen]

Looks like the hard drive on the captain's simulator does not have any incriminating flight scenarios.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/26/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

"An ongoing FBI review of the missing jet's pilots' hard drives, including the captain's flight simulator, has not turned up a "smoking gun," a U.S. official with knowledge of the investigation told CNN."They have accessed the data," the official said. "There is nothing that's jumping out and grabbing us right now.

"The official would not reveal what was on the hard drive, but said the Malaysia Airlines pilot did not encrypt any of the files nor did he appear to go to any great lengths to scrub the hard drive when he deleted files last month."

On a side note, I am not impressed by the blurry blobs from the satellite images. If their resolution is actually

that low, seems like they are a waste of money. I still have a sense they are intentionally blurring the images

to protect the actual capability of the satellite.

On a lighter note I wonder how large his porn collection was?

But seriously, many pilots have fltsims at home so whatever he had on his HDD is not surprising,

not even the erased stuff.

With that said here's a report from the SMH yesterday that reveals more speculation on a much more

serious note...links below...

http://media.smh.com.au/news/world-news/mh370-pilot-in-no-state-of-mind-to-fly-5295827.html

http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-pilot-terribly-upset-by-marriage-breakup-20140326-zqn4p.html

I'm not one for the pilot suicide theory but I do know Lindsay Murdoch (The Age) quite well and I will

vouch that he wouldn't put his name to a BS story.

In other news....

Seems that what appears to be an aircraft fire suppression bottle (fire extinguisher) has floated

onto a beach in the Maldives. In one report it has been dismissed as an explosive device. I have

practical knowledge in many explosive devices including antiship mines and what has washed

ashore in the Maldives is way too small to be an antiship mine. So what is it? I reckon it's

an aircraft engine fire extinguisher bottle....but then again...I have only seen one of these in

my life at that was a long tome ago....here's a pic & some links to verify what I have hacked

here and to help you come to a conclusion on your own...

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/mh370-evidence

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54178

http://aae-ltd.com/extinguisher-bottle-assembly/

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Inmarsat & Doppler extrapolation says Southern IO.

Eyewitnesses & some verifiable debris (even though

some say explosive device) indicate otherwise. Why?

The haystack is becoming rather hard to locate IMO.

And yes the satellite images are purposly blurred to hide

the true imaging capabilities of whichever satellite grabbed

the images....especially if they originated from a Cosmos or

KH series intelligence satellite.

NB...edit to add an "A".

An interesting story.....To the best of my knowledge, every single aircraft part has a

serial number on it. A simple inspection of it, a quick phone call to Boeing, and they

could instantly say if it was off of the Malaysian flight. But yeah to my eye, it sure looks

like a fire extinguisher bottle that is used in the cargo hold of a 777..... Saying it is an

anti ship mine is a bit silly, as I am not aware of any country sprinkling anti ship mines

in the Indian Ocean.

[webfact]

Wild weather forces suspension of MH370 search: AMSA

PERTH, Australia - The search for wreckage from Flight MH370 was called off Thursday for the second time this week as the weather worsened in the Indian Ocean with planes and ships ordered out of the area.

"Today’s search operations have been suspended due to bad weather. All planes are returning to Perth and ships are leaving search area," the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) tweeted.

Six military planes from Australia, China, Japan and the United States were flying sorties along with five civil aircraft, scouring two areas in the remote southern Indian Ocean covering a cumulative 78,000 square kilometres.

Five ships were also in the search zone, including Australia’s HMAS Success and Chinese vessels Xue Long, Kunlunshan, Haikou and Qiandaohu.
AFP


-- The Nation 2014-03-26

[sunshine51]

Satellite images reveals nothing until someone actually picks up the debris floating around in the ocean.

And to my surprise still no real evidence found.....

This is what they are searching in, not hard to understand how difficult it is to locate white objects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bH1nDL3ynY&feature=player_embedded

The video was published on YouTube via Global Leaks, reportedly produced by a 'Salha Zain', and has had more than 100,000 views.

"This footage shows a search vessel in the middle of the Indian ocean attempting to find clues," Global Leaks wrote.

This video is a complete FAKE! It is not from an MH370 rescue ship in the IO.

Have a look here...

This video was Published on Jan 28, 2013 and the ship is the LPG/C Venere, Hurricane, 19/jan/2013.

The supposed "producer" Salha Zain...should be vivisected at high noon in a very public place IMO.

Too much of this type of bullshit is circulating. The relatives of the victims don't need this crap.

No fault to you chooka....I'm just spreading the truth about this video and it's "producer" so

all may know.

[sunshine51]

The Doppler effect in a nutshell...radar mostly...but almost any frequency will do

nicely...

Let's say we have a radar transmitter operating at 10MHz for figure of speech OK.

I will omit the Pulse Repition Frequency and Pulse Width details for simplicity sake.

But lets say our 10MHz radar transmitter sends out 2 pulses per second...that is its

PRF (Pulse Repetition Frequency). Oh wait I forgot...I wasn't gonna include this;

but it is necessary to do so...bear with me.

Every pulse that our radar sends out is exactly at 10MHz with no shift in frequency

either to the positive side or negative side of 10MHz. We have good techs that keep

it at exactly 10MHz. What I'm gonna say next relates to our radar operating at exactly

10MHz...not even a single hertz off in either way...bang on 10MHz...OK!

So Dereck the radar operator see's on his scope an object moving across his screen

from left to right at 5 miles distance. He knows it has to be 5 miles on his scope because

the range rings on his scope tell him so. It only takes a nanosecond (or much less) for

the pulse from our 10MHz radar transmitter to exit the antenna go to the target and return

via the same antenna then go to the receiver that does the magic needed to give Dereck

the display on his scope. Let's say that our radar receiver has a tolerance of 0.0000010

MHz.

Dereck also notices another object on his scope traveling from right to left at 100 miles.

If we were to examine the frequency of the 5 mile return signal very carefully & accurately

we may notice that this signal is not at the exact 10MHz transmitted frequency....it's a bit

less...say at 9.9999993MHz...but our receiver doesn't care about this as it is close enough

and it's our radar too boot.

Now the 100 mile signal...If we were to examine the frequency of the return signal of the

100 mile target very carefully and accurately we may find that it is 9.9999989 Mhz...but our

receiver doesn't care about this either as it is close enough and it's our radar too boot.

The difference between 9.9999993MHz and 9.9999989 Mhz is miniscule but very important

because it is known as Doppler Shift...inherrent in all transmitters regardless of spectrum

as the transmitted signal travels through free space (propagation) bounces off a targe(reflection)

and returns through free space (return propagation). The difference is very small but can be

measured and many radars of today are Doppler radars...mid range weather radar is a good

example. These radars are more accurate than bog standard radars because they measure the

shift between transmitted frequency, received frequency and time to target/return from target.

Yes...electrons move at the speed of light but their frequency shifts ever so slightly as

distance increases or decreases. The further away the more shift, the closer to origin-less

shift.

Thank you Christion Doppler.

I agree that the doppler effect means the frequency sift, but disagree for the reason why it happens.

The doppler effect is not due distance of the objects, but the speed of the objects related to each other.

The speed of the "ping" signal is almost the speed of the light (atmosphere slows it slightly). Our current physics says that nothing can go faster than light. Therefore when the plane is flying towards the satellite, the speed of the signal is constant and the frequency changes - the same applies when the plane is moving away from the satellite.

In your scenario Dereck will get the information, where the object is, slightly later when it's far away, compared when it's closer. But if the plane is flying left to right, he will not notice any doppler effect.

On the other hand, if the plane would fly away from Dereck or towards him, he would be able to notice the frequency sift.

Doppler effect is due to distance & speed oilinki, the only thing constant is the speed of light

which all RF travels at...regardless of how far it has to go & return. The shift in the transmitted

frequency and the reflected frequency is so small but it is still there. Most doppler radars are

in a fixed position unless airborne doppler is brought into the arena and yes, they exist. And

we're talking about a transmitted pulse of RF energy...not a steady stream of it. Say that

my transmitted 10MHz pulse has a pulse width of 0.25 microseconds...when it returns it

will still be at 0.25 microseconds in width but the reflected transmit frequency will be a tad bit

off depending on the range & speed of the target...that's the doppler effect.

Audio...up to a point and down to a point...the audible spectrum....you will know it...but not in

RF ranges. In radar poor old Dereck won't notice any frequency shift it's way too miniscule.

Just Google Dollper Radar and not Doppler effect for more info.

Edited March 27, 2014 by sunshine51

[coma]

Looks like the hard drive on the captain's simulator does not have any incriminating flight scenarios.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/26/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

"An ongoing FBI review of the missing jet's pilots' hard drives, including the captain's flight simulator, has not turned up a "smoking gun," a U.S. official with knowledge of the investigation told CNN."They have accessed the data," the official said. "There is nothing that's jumping out and grabbing us right now.

"The official would not reveal what was on the hard drive, but said the Malaysia Airlines pilot did not encrypt any of the files nor did he appear to go to any great lengths to scrub the hard drive when he deleted files last month."

On a side note, I am not impressed by the blurry blobs from the satellite images. If their resolution is actually

that low, seems like they are a waste of money. I still have a sense they are intentionally blurring the images

to protect the actual capability of the satellite.

On a lighter note I wonder how large his porn collection was?

But seriously, many pilots have fltsims at home so whatever he had on his HDD is not surprising,

not even the erased stuff.

With that said here's a report from the SMH yesterday that reveals more speculation on a much more

serious note...links below...

http://media.smh.com.au/news/world-news/mh370-pilot-in-no-state-of-mind-to-fly-5295827.html

http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-pilot-terribly-upset-by-marriage-breakup-20140326-zqn4p.html

I'm not one for the pilot suicide theory but I do know Lindsay Murdoch (The Age) quite well and I will

vouch that he wouldn't put his name to a BS story.

In other news....

Seems that what appears to be an aircraft fire suppression bottle (fire extinguisher) has floated

onto a beach in the Maldives. In one report it has been dismissed as an explosive device. I have

practical knowledge in many explosive devices including antiship mines and what has washed

ashore in the Maldives is way too small to be an antiship mine. So what is it? I reckon it's

an aircraft engine fire extinguisher bottle....but then again...I have only seen one of these in

my life at that was a long tome ago....here's a pic & some links to verify what I have hacked

here and to help you come to a conclusion on your own...

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/mh370-evidence

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54178

http://aae-ltd.com/extinguisher-bottle-assembly/

Bjo64JaIQAAzLAn.jpg

Inmarsat & Doppler extrapolation says Southern IO.

Eyewitnesses & some verifiable debris (even though

some say explosive device) indicate otherwise. Why?

The haystack is becoming rather hard to locate IMO.

And yes the satellite images are purposly blurred to hide

the true imaging capabilities of whichever satellite grabbed

the images....especially if they originated from a Cosmos or

KH series intelligence satellite.

NB...edit to add an "A".

Any link to the Maldives such as this alleged Engine Fire Extinguisher and the eyewitness accounts of what they saw, would surely put holes all through the current thought that it went down in the Southern Indian Ocean. There is no way it could have been seen there at the time the witness' say and then have enough fuel and time to go all the way down to where they are currently searching.

[sunshine51]

Looks like the hard drive on the captain's simulator does not have any incriminating flight scenarios.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/26/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

"An ongoing FBI review of the missing jet's pilots' hard drives, including the captain's flight simulator, has not turned up a "smoking gun," a U.S. official with knowledge of the investigation told CNN."They have accessed the data," the official said. "There is nothing that's jumping out and grabbing us right now.

"The official would not reveal what was on the hard drive, but said the Malaysia Airlines pilot did not encrypt any of the files nor did he appear to go to any great lengths to scrub the hard drive when he deleted files last month."

On a side note, I am not impressed by the blurry blobs from the satellite images. If their resolution is actually

that low, seems like they are a waste of money. I still have a sense they are intentionally blurring the images

to protect the actual capability of the satellite.

On a lighter note I wonder how large his porn collection was?

But seriously, many pilots have fltsims at home so whatever he had on his HDD is not surprising,

not even the erased stuff.

With that said here's a report from the SMH yesterday that reveals more speculation on a much more

serious note...links below...

http://media.smh.com.au/news/world-news/mh370-pilot-in-no-state-of-mind-to-fly-5295827.html

http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-pilot-terribly-upset-by-marriage-breakup-20140326-zqn4p.html

I'm not one for the pilot suicide theory but I do know Lindsay Murdoch (The Age) quite well and I will

vouch that he wouldn't put his name to a BS story.

In other news....

Seems that what appears to be an aircraft fire suppression bottle (fire extinguisher) has floated

onto a beach in the Maldives. In one report it has been dismissed as an explosive device. I have

practical knowledge in many explosive devices including antiship mines and what has washed

ashore in the Maldives is way too small to be an antiship mine. So what is it? I reckon it's

an aircraft engine fire extinguisher bottle....but then again...I have only seen one of these in

my life at that was a long tome ago....here's a pic & some links to verify what I have hacked

here and to help you come to a conclusion on your own...

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/mh370-evidence

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54178

http://aae-ltd.com/extinguisher-bottle-assembly/

Bjo64JaIQAAzLAn.jpg

Inmarsat & Doppler extrapolation says Southern IO.

Eyewitnesses & some verifiable debris (even though

some say explosive device) indicate otherwise. Why?

The haystack is becoming rather hard to locate IMO.

And yes the satellite images are purposly blurred to hide

the true imaging capabilities of whichever satellite grabbed

the images....especially if they originated from a Cosmos or

KH series intelligence satellite.

NB...edit to add an "A".

An interesting story.....To the best of my knowledge, every single aircraft part has a

serial number on it. A simple inspection of it, a quick phone call to Boeing, and they

could instantly say if it was off of the Malaysian flight. But yeah to my eye, it sure looks

like a fire extinguisher bottle that is used in the cargo hold of a 777..... Saying it is an

anti ship mine is a bit silly, as I am not aware of any country sprinkling anti ship mines

in the Indian Ocean.

I only mentioned antiship mine for an example as they are quite large and no longer

spherical....however I also believe it's a fire extinguisher...from where is anybody's

guess.

Edited March 27, 2014 by sunshine51

[coma]

Satellite images reveals nothing until someone actually picks up the debris floating around in the ocean.

And to my surprise still no real evidence found.....

This is what they are searching in, not hard to understand how difficult it is to locate white objects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bH1nDL3ynY&feature=player_embedded

The video was published on YouTube via Global Leaks, reportedly produced by a 'Salha Zain', and has had more than 100,000 views.

"This footage shows a search vessel in the middle of the Indian ocean attempting to find clues," Global Leaks wrote.

Tough job!

[GentlemanJim]

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Looks like the hard drive on the captain's simulator does not have any incriminating flight scenarios.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/26/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

"An ongoing FBI review of the missing jet's pilots' hard drives, including the captain's flight simulator, has not turned up a "smoking gun," a U.S. official with knowledge of the investigation told CNN."They have accessed the data," the official said. "There is nothing that's jumping out and grabbing us right now.

"The official would not reveal what was on the hard drive, but said the Malaysia Airlines pilot did not encrypt any of the files nor did he appear to go to any great lengths to scrub the hard drive when he deleted files last month."

On a side note, I am not impressed by the blurry blobs from the satellite images. If their resolution is actually

that low, seems like they are a waste of money. I still have a sense they are intentionally blurring the images

to protect the actual capability of the satellite.

Surprise surprise he was using his flight sim as.....a flight sim for professional purposes. I hope all those that accused him of being a terrorist and being 'as guilty as sin' for having a flight sim are now eating a large slice of humble pie. I agree that various lines of investigation should be followed to rule out any possible motive of foul play, but the hang em high brigade would have had this man dancing on the end of a rope long ago.

The images are intentionally blurred to protect the capability of the satellites.

[chooka]

Satellite images reveals nothing until someone actually picks up the debris floating around in the ocean.

And to my surprise still no real evidence found.....

This is what they are searching in, not hard to understand how difficult it is to locate white objects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bH1nDL3ynY&feature=player_embedded

The video was published on YouTube via Global Leaks, reportedly produced by a 'Salha Zain', and has had more than 100,000 views.

"This footage shows a search vessel in the middle of the Indian ocean attempting to find clues," Global Leaks wrote.

This video is a complete FAKE! It is not from an MH370 rescue ship in the IO.

Have a look here...

This video was Published on Jan 28, 2013 and the ship is the LPG/C Venere, Hurricane, 19/jan/2013.

The supposed "producer" Salha Zain...should be vivisected at high noon in a very public place IMO.

Too much of this type of bullshit is circulating. The relatives of the victims don't need this crap.

No fault to you chooka....I'm just spreading the truth about this video and it's "producer" so

all may know.

I just took it from an Australian news media site and it is what they are showing.

http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breaking-news-blog/new-lead-in-mh370-search/20140327-35jkx.html

[GentlemanJim]

Looks like the hard drive on the captain's simulator does not have any incriminating flight scenarios.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/26/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

"An ongoing FBI review of the missing jet's pilots' hard drives, including the captain's flight simulator, has not turned up a "smoking gun," a U.S. official with knowledge of the investigation told CNN."They have accessed the data," the official said. "There is nothing that's jumping out and grabbing us right now.

"The official would not reveal what was on the hard drive, but said the Malaysia Airlines pilot did not encrypt any of the files nor did he appear to go to any great lengths to scrub the hard drive when he deleted files last month."

On a side note, I am not impressed by the blurry blobs from the satellite images. If their resolution is actually

that low, seems like they are a waste of money. I still have a sense they are intentionally blurring the images

to protect the actual capability of the satellite.

On a lighter note I wonder how large his porn collection was?

But seriously, many pilots have fltsims at home so whatever he had on his HDD is not surprising,

not even the erased stuff.

With that said here's a report from the SMH yesterday that reveals more speculation on a much more

serious note...links below...

http://media.smh.com.au/news/world-news/mh370-pilot-in-no-state-of-mind-to-fly-5295827.html

http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-pilot-terribly-upset-by-marriage-breakup-20140326-zqn4p.html

I'm not one for the pilot suicide theory but I do know Lindsay Murdoch (The Age) quite well and I will

vouch that he wouldn't put his name to a BS story.

In other news....

Seems that what appears to be an aircraft fire suppression bottle (fire extinguisher) has floated

onto a beach in the Maldives. In one report it has been dismissed as an explosive device. I have

practical knowledge in many explosive devices including antiship mines and what has washed

ashore in the Maldives is way too small to be an antiship mine. So what is it? I reckon it's

an aircraft engine fire extinguisher bottle....but then again...I have only seen one of these in

my life at that was a long tome ago....here's a pic & some links to verify what I have hacked

here and to help you come to a conclusion on your own...

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/mh370-evidence

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54178

http://aae-ltd.com/extinguisher-bottle-assembly/

Bjo64JaIQAAzLAn.jpg

Inmarsat & Doppler extrapolation says Southern IO.

Eyewitnesses & some verifiable debris (even though

some say explosive device) indicate otherwise. Why?

The haystack is becoming rather hard to locate IMO.

And yes the satellite images are purposly blurred to hide

the true imaging capabilities of whichever satellite grabbed

the images....especially if they originated from a Cosmos or

KH series intelligence satellite.

NB...edit to add an "A".

Any link to the Maldives such as this alleged Engine Fire Extinguisher and the eyewitness accounts of what they saw, would surely put holes all through the current thought that it went down in the Southern Indian Ocean. There is no way it could have been seen there at the time the witness' say and then have enough fuel and time to go all the way down to where they are currently searching.

I am sure there are people racing there as we chat to take said item for 'investigation' as a matter of national security, never to be seen again.