Dating a younger Thai girl - or why I love Thailand.

[FiftyTwo]

@ FiftyTwo

Women are at their sexual peak far later than men are so, yes, they do want sex a lot when they get older even if they have kids.

Your experience is not necessarily the norm, buddy.

You just got a dud.

I did talk about the subject extensively with my age 40+ male pals in the UK. They all got duds too.

Anyway, I'm in Thailand now, and after 5 years, don't care if I never have sex again.

I'm perfectly happy hiking in the mountains and baking.

Tea this evening, freshly baked scones, homemade raspberry jam, hand whipped cream and raspberries on top.

Who needs women!

Edited March 12, 2014 by FiftyTwo

[thailiketoo]

I asked one simple question. So you tell me why there are thousands upon thousands of magazines and billion dollar industries that promote men looking at women without clothes on and almost none promoting men without clothes on for women?

No one has answered that simple question.

No one has countered the idea that women are more sensitive to non visual or emotional stimulation than men.

I think the only answer you can come up with is a flame like, "The sheer stupidity of saying that it's not important to women how men look was pretty much the clincher."

Attacking me although the norm is certainly not an answer to what I wrote.

One simple question that's all. Why there are thousands upon thousands of magazines and billion dollar industries that promote men looking at women without clothes on and almost none promoting men without clothes on for women?

A flame, you say??!! Whether or not it was a flame (I doubt it) is besides the point. What I said is true. It was a particularly stupid comment.

In answer to your question, men are more aggressively tuned to the pursuit of sex than women.

For the most part, society grooms women to be passive about sex. Even if they're highly-sexed, they're taught to keep it under wraps until in the privacy of the boudoir.

Even today, women who display overt sexuality aggression are generally denigrated by both men (except their partners, of course) and other women so, consequently, there are fewer publications of the sort you describe.

@ FiftyTwo

Women are at their sexual peak far later than men are so, yes, they do want sex a lot when they get older even if they have kids.

Your experience is not necessarily the norm, buddy.

You just got a dud.

What does reading a magazine have to do with being aggressively tuned to the pursuit of sex? If anything reading is exactly the opposite of aggressive.

My question still stands, "Why there are thousands upon thousands of magazines and billion dollar industries that promote men looking at women without clothes on and almost none promoting men without clothes on for women?

I think you have to realize something; aggression is not reading. Not in women nor men. Reading is not overt sexual aggression.

If you mean thinking instead of aggression I would agree with that. But it still does not explain why 1000 to 1 mens interest in naked women and women's disinterest in naked men?

Have you now realized that men think about sex 34 times a day and women about 18. Or that a woman uses 20,000 words a day and a man only 7000.

Still I think women don't want to look at naked men because it is not important to them. How many ladies go to male go go clubs in Thailand? Not many. I think women don't care about how a man looks naked. You apparently disagree with me. Well if they cared would not they want to look at naked photos or watch naked men dance?

But they don't do they?

[kimbathewhitelion]

I think this ones all you. Women care about sex as much as a man, and from any country or any age.

Makes me wonder how old you are?

Most guys over 40 find slim pickings in the west, where the women don't need their money.

I'm 47, however 5 years ago before Thailand, could still attract 20 something's in America, but that is a past life. American women don't know your value from appearance, too many Hollywood & True artists tend to dress down. At 45 my metabolism finally took it a notch down. Now when I go back I can still stride around with sweat pants & a t-shirt but mostly only attract early thirties. It's all in the vibe you put off & the personality you engage with.

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[OxfordWill]

I asked one simple question. So you tell me why there are thousands upon thousands of magazines and billion dollar industries that promote men looking at women without clothes on and almost none promoting men without clothes on for women?

No one has answered that simple question.

No one has countered the idea that women are more sensitive to non visual or emotional stimulation than men.

I think the only answer you can come up with is a flame like, "The sheer stupidity of saying that it's not important to women how men look was pretty much the clincher."

Attacking me although the norm is certainly not an answer to what I wrote.

One simple question that's all. Why there are thousands upon thousands of magazines and billion dollar industries that promote men looking at women without clothes on and almost none promoting men without clothes on for women?

A flame, you say??!! Whether or not it was a flame (I doubt it) is besides the point. What I said is true. It was a particularly stupid comment.

In answer to your question, men are more aggressively tuned to the pursuit of sex than women.

For the most part, society grooms women to be passive about sex. Even if they're highly-sexed, they're taught to keep it under wraps until in the privacy of the boudoir.

Even today, women who display overt sexuality aggression are generally denigrated by both men (except their partners, of course) and other women so, consequently, there are fewer publications of the sort you describe.

@ FiftyTwo

Women are at their sexual peak far later than men are so, yes, they do want sex a lot when they get older even if they have kids.

Your experience is not necessarily the norm, buddy.

You just got a dud.

What does reading a magazine have to do with being aggressively tuned to the pursuit of sex? If anything reading is exactly the opposite of aggressive.

My question still stands, "Why there are thousands upon thousands of magazines and billion dollar industries that promote men looking at women without clothes on and almost none promoting men without clothes on for women?

I think you have to realize something; aggression is not reading. Not in women nor men. Reading is not overt sexual aggression.

If you mean thinking instead of aggression I would agree with that. But it still does not explain why 1000 to 1 mens interest in naked women and women's disinterest in naked men?

Have you now realized that men think about sex 34 times a day and women about 18. Or that a woman uses 20,000 words a day and a man only 7000.

Still I think women don't want to look at naked men because it is not important to them. How many ladies go to male go go clubs in Thailand? Not many. I think women don't care about how a man looks naked. You apparently disagree with me. Well if they cared would not they want to look at naked photos or watch naked men dance?

But they don't do they?

The answer to your question is that it's cultural. Women are not "licensed" to enjoy pornography in say, England. You simply can't underestimate the power of this social force/pressure/expectation/grooming.

On an individual basis, a woman comfortable enough to speak frankly will often admit to enjoying visual stimulation just like a man does (it may be slightly different, but it will be visual). Indeed, vast studies have already been done on exactly this. No, I'm not going to find them for you, sorry.

[thailiketoo]

What does reading a magazine have to do with being aggressively tuned to the pursuit of sex? If anything reading is exactly the opposite of aggressive.

My question still stands, "Why there are thousands upon thousands of magazines and billion dollar industries that promote men looking at women without clothes on and almost none promoting men without clothes on for women?

I think you have to realize something; aggression is not reading. Not in women nor men. Reading is not overt sexual aggression.

If you mean thinking instead of aggression I would agree with that. But it still does not explain why 1000 to 1 mens interest in naked women and women's disinterest in naked men?

Have you now realized that men think about sex 34 times a day and women about 18. Or that a woman uses 20,000 words a day and a man only 7000.

Still I think women don't want to look at naked men because it is not important to them. How many ladies go to male go go clubs in Thailand? Not many. I think women don't care about how a man looks naked. You apparently disagree with me. Well if they cared would not they want to look at naked photos or watch naked men dance?

But they don't do they?

The answer to your question is that it's cultural. Women are not "licensed" to enjoy pornography in say, England. You simply can't underestimate the power of this social force/pressure/expectation/grooming.

On an individual basis, a woman comfortable enough to speak frankly will often admit to enjoying visual stimulation just like a man does (it may be slightly different, but it will be visual). Indeed, vast studies have already been done on exactly this. No, I'm not going to find them for you, sorry.

OK I'll buy that. But if I buy that I also have to buy that women are not licensed to admire men's bodies. It is a cultural thing after all but the result is the same. Women are licensed to be attracted to men for other reasons than physical.

Females are attracted to men who can build them a nest. In olden days that was the man who was the strongest and had the biggest club. Now days it is the man who is the smartest and has the biggest wallet.

The successful cave man knew how to start a fire the successful modern man knows how to make money. The bird still wants a nest. Don't get too complicated. A nest is still a nest. Wendy Deng Murdoch got a $44 million dollar nest but it was still a nest. The judge gave it to her because the kids lived there. The judge knows a nest is still a nest.

Edited March 12, 2014 by thailiketoo

[FiftyTwo]

Females are attracted to men who can build them a nest. In olden days that was the man who was the strongest and had the biggest club. Now days it is the man who is the smartest and has the biggest wallet.

Wrong,

In the past it was the man who would provide her with the most food.

Now it is the guy she can get most money from.

Smart guys don't hand over as much as stupid guys.

[thailiketoo]

The answer to your question is that it's cultural. Women are not "licensed" to enjoy pornography in say, England. You simply can't underestimate the power of this social force/pressure/expectation/grooming.

On an individual basis, a woman comfortable enough to speak frankly will often admit to enjoying visual stimulation just like a man does (it may be slightly different, but it will be visual). Indeed, vast studies have already been done on exactly this. No, I'm not going to find them for you, sorry.

The study you were looking for is, "Gender Difference in Brain Activation to Audio-Visual Sexual Stimulation."

Except it doesn't say what you said it did.

[thailiketoo]

Females are attracted to men who can build them a nest. In olden days that was the man who was the strongest and had the biggest club. Now days it is the man who is the smartest and has the biggest wallet.

Wrong,

In the past it was the man who would provide her with the most food.

Now it is the guy she can get most money from.

Smart guys don't hand over as much as stupid guys.

Wrong. It was nest. A parrot will not have sex till the male builds her a nest. Food may be a factor or the female may be the food provider like lions. But there is always a nest, home or den or whatever you want to call it.

You really think Rupert Murdoch is stupid?

Edited March 12, 2014 by thailiketoo

[FiftyTwo]

You really think Rupert Murdoch is stupid?

Plenty of stupid men make much more money than intelligent men.

I have/had better things to do with my life than waste it making money.

[HardenedSoul]

Wrong. It was nest. A parrot will not have sex till the male builds her a nest. Food may be a factor or the female may be the food provider like lions. But there is always a nest, home or den or whatever you want to call it.

You really think Rupert Murdoch is stupid?

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question

Let me pose a question for you: If, as you foolishly suggest, women don't care how men look, why aren't all the fat, bald, ropey old dullards back in the West smashing the arse out of all the premium totty?

Don't be shy now

[thailiketoo]

Wrong. It was nest. A parrot will not have sex till the male builds her a nest. Food may be a factor or the female may be the food provider like lions. But there is always a nest, home or den or whatever you want to call it.

You really think Rupert Murdoch is stupid?

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question

Let me pose a question for you: If, as you foolishly suggest, women don't care how men look, why aren't all the fat, bald, ropey old dullards back in the West smashing the arse out of all the premium totty?

Don't be shy now

Older men are less territorial and no longer feel compelled to fight for their place in the pecking order. At this age, men begin to risk showing more emotions without being so concerned about the possibility of losing face.

They may also find themselves becoming better listeners and more physically affectionate. With his new brain fuels laying the groundwork, many men claim sexual intimacy at this age is the best they've ever experienced.

During a man's midlife transition, he often isn't as motivated about fighting his way up the ladder at work either. He knows his value and his thoughts are more concerned with providing security and protection for his mate.

For this reason, many younger women see the benefits of a well-established, older male partner.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1262932/Why-man-NEVER-understand-feel.html

I certainly did not come to Thailand because I was having a woman problem in the West. I happen to like Thai women. When I was a young man in Thailand I got used to Thai women.

I would caution you about adding dullard as a result of age. I find the dullards are mainly inexperienced young males rather than older well traveled men. Plus not everyone who is young is handsome and not everyone who is older is fat, bald and ropey.

[faraday]

Wrong. It was nest. A parrot will not have sex till the male builds her a nest. Food may be a factor or the female may be the food provider like lions. But there is always a nest, home or den or whatever you want to call it.

You really think Rupert Murdoch is stupid?

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question

Let me pose a question for you: If, as you foolishly suggest, women don't care how men look, why aren't all the fat, bald, ropey old dullards back in the West smashing the arse out of all the premium totty?

Don't be shy now

Coz they've all moved here.

[HardenedSoul]

Wrong. It was nest. A parrot will not have sex till the male builds her a nest. Food may be a factor or the female may be the food provider like lions. But there is always a nest, home or den or whatever you want to call it.

You really think Rupert Murdoch is stupid?

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question

Let me pose a question for you: If, as you foolishly suggest, women don't care how men look, why aren't all the fat, bald, ropey old dullards back in the West smashing the arse out of all the premium totty?

Don't be shy now

Older men are less territorial and no longer feel compelled to fight for their place in the pecking order. At this age, men begin to risk showing more emotions without being so concerned about the possibility of losing face.

They may also find themselves becoming better listeners and more physically affectionate. With his new brain fuels laying the groundwork, many men claim sexual intimacy at this age is the best they've ever experienced.

During a man's midlife transition, he often isn't as motivated about fighting his way up the ladder at work either. He knows his value and his thoughts are more concerned with providing security and protection for his mate.

For this reason, many younger women see the benefits of a well-established, older male partner.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1262932/Why-man-NEVER-understand-feel.html

I certainly did not come to Thailand because I was having a woman problem in the West. I happen to like Thai women. When I was a young man in Thailand I got used to Thai women.

I would caution you about adding dullard as a result of age. I find the dullards are mainly inexperienced young males rather than older well traveled men. Plus not everyone who is young is handsome and not everyone who is older is fat, bald and ropey.

That's your answer??!! That old men don't want to compete any more??

Rollocks!!

They're not cleaning up back home because most women there don't have the kind of financial imperatives typically at work with women in Thailand that would compel them to take a portion off a fossil in return for a bit of shrapnel off his pension.

Plain and simple !

[HooHaa]

jesus you lot make me laugh.

ah the attitudes of generations past.

its all an elaborate ruse to justify your marriages

[wym]

It is not important to women how men look and that is why there are not thousands of women's magazines with photos of men.

Yes this guy is completely off the charts wrt ignorance of how most women think, not even worth trying to correct.

Just that most are smart enough to know that hardbody beauty is 1 very temporary and 2 not that relevant to choosing a long-term mate, unless those other factors are relatively equal.

Men however think with the little brain far too much, and are happy to believe girls telling us they LIKE older overweight baldies.

Fortunately many TGs are more focused on financial security than hot bods, and as many point out are able to usually have their cake and eat it too - personally fine with me. . .

[Scarpolo]

It is not important to women how men look and that is why there are not thousands of women's magazines with photos of men.

Yes this guy is completely off the charts wrt ignorance of how most women think, not even worth trying to correct.

Just that most are smart enough to know that hardbody beauty is 1 very temporary and 2 not that relevant to choosing a long-term mate, unless those other factors are relatively equal.

Men however think with the little brain far too much, and are happy to believe girls telling us they LIKE older overweight baldies.

Fortunately many TGs are more focused on financial security than hot bods, and as many point out are able to usually have their cake and eat it too - personally fine with me. . .

Why is the reference always to fat balding men?

There are some of us in their 50's in excellent shape who don't look their age and don't have belly's

My rule is, if I am older than your father, we aren't getting involved,

Beyond that, the non baggage rule is nonsense,

Everyone has it,,

including everyone.

The OP thinks he is in straneg territory, but he isnt

Mid 40's men ARE attractive to girls in their mid to late 20's, because it is what THEY are looking for,

OP, when you get to your 50's, you will find, you are where you are today,

with girls in their mid 30's

[HardenedSoul]

There goes the neigbourhood

[kimbathewhitelion]

"Why is the reference always to fat balding men", and why no reference to the skinny gray haired old guys with small appendages.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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[wym]

I don't work at ALL by the "age difference" factor. The age of the girls I take are always the same, in fact as I get older they've gotten younger.

More of a challenge sure, but then that helps keep it interesting.

My point is that so many of the deluded here are so because they actually believe what the girls are telling them.

I happen to be older, bald fat wear glasses read a lot, and WOW guess what? Those just happen to be the preferred characteristics of the young cuties I meet!

Once I make it clear what the deal is and enough time passes that they truly accept that they're not getting any extras outside those terms, then they (those that haven't left anyway 8-) become a lot more honest. Especially when they've also accepted they are free to bonk whoever they like for fun without any repercussions.

[JLCrab]

Ever hear of the phrase 'Exaggeration for effect'?

[HardenedSoul]

It is not important to women how men look and that is why there are not thousands of women's magazines with photos of men.

Fortunately many TGs are more focused on financial security than hot bods, and as many point out are able to usually have their cake and eat it too - personally fine with me. . .

Maybe that's true of the troglodytes you knock about with who clearly have very few options but most women don't go out looking for a man, see an old, bald hippo in shorts and say "Oh I bet he could pay my 5,000 baht rent and Truevisions bill without even blinking".

[NeverSure]

I have a rather fun test I do. I like to hang out at in one of the Thai dating forums. It's amazing how many pretty young things contact me, saying somethings like "You not old, you lucky for me." This in response to me first telling them I am too old for them.

Next, I tell them I don't have any money. I'm not a rich farang. I have just enough money to travel to Thailand, rent a simple place, and that my total income is only about 35K baht. I can't afford to build them a house or buy them a car.

Whoosh. That's the last I hear from them 555.

If course I do have money, but my comments are a test which rarely fails. It is true that I would never get married or build someone a house, but that's that's my personal choice.

[JLCrab]

To some of the younger guys on here: When I first started traveling to PRChina 25+ years ago, there was no internet, no cell phone, no ATMs -- everything I did had to be by telex and I carried with me a short wave radio else California could've tumbled into the sea and I would n't know about it.

So the ease with which some come here today or go back and forth to home country, manage their finances while in Thailand, et al is a pretty recent thing. When I first started learning Chinese pre-Nixon's trip to China it was considered a classical language with no practical reason to learn it.

"back in my day we had to walk 20km up hill to get to school"

Your post is irrelevant to the topic?

It is relevant to your comment 'Majority of young guys are getting play back home and here, probably a lot more here as you know Thailand is an easy place to play around.' You couldn't until recently be back home and here and Thailand was not until recently an easy place to play around --if you wanted to play around in Thailand you had to pretty much cut yourself off from the rest of the world.

I have been travelling between Europe and Thailand for 30+ years without problem. And didn't have to cut myself off from the rest of the world.

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So how did you keep in touch 30+ years ago in Thailand? Give them the number and room number of your hotel and leave a message if you weren't in -- poste restante -- go to the local phone office to make a call -- send a FAX if you/they had one

[ppmacready]

Girls who have recently broke up with their Thai boyfriend and your their first Falang one are great.

Girls who just broke up with their first Falang boyfriend, even better!

[recycler]

I think you stare at yourself and your GF, nobody else is anywhere near surprised.

Just get rid of the mirrors ;-)

[Water Buffalo]

I love you title- why i love Thailand. If this is why you love Thailand you are living in a bubble. No doubt one you (and others) enjoy very much and i am sure will try to defend.

But what will you do when the bubble bursts. In you own words, you talk of her being a woman of a certain caliber (this is pretty much just based on age isn't it?). I am sure that the caliber isn't so much based on looks because anyone who has been here for a while knows there ain't much difference in looks between a Thai 25-35 year-old woman. It is barely noticeable unless she has worked in the fields or pursued a highly stressful career. Forgive me for not believing the only reason you "dropped to a lower age group" is because you didn't want the emotional baggage of the older woman. Good excuse, though, i admit, but who are you trying to fool? Yourself? It's more likely that the fear of her late 30's and early 40's was creeping in and with the knowledge that, in Thailand, you can do way younger, you thought why not, right?

But when the bubble bursts and she is 40? Will you be that 57 year-old guy with a 25 year-old or younger? Although you won't try to validate that on here i am sure.

Anyway, fair play to you, but you are only fooling yourself with you reasons and excuses, no one else. And the only people who genuinely agree with you are guys who "love Thailand" for the same reason as you.

It would be nice if we had more people in Thailand for different reasons. One day that will be the case. In the future, young Thai women won't flock towards old men in their millions. You are lucky to be here at this time. You will be the last generation to have this luxury (in Thailand), so you might as well "make hay while the sun is shining". And when it stops in Thailand, there is always Cambodia and Africa.

[thailiketoo]

I love you title- why i love Thailand. If this is why you love Thailand you are living in a bubble. No doubt one you (and others) enjoy very much and i am sure will try to defend.

But what will you do when the bubble bursts. In you own words, you talk of her being a woman of a certain caliber (this is pretty much just based on age isn't it?). I am sure that the caliber isn't so much based on looks because anyone who has been here for a while knows there ain't much difference in looks between a Thai 25-35 year-old woman. It is barely noticeable unless she has worked in the fields or pursued a highly stressful career. Forgive me for not believing the only reason you "dropped to a lower age group" is because you didn't want the emotional baggage of the older woman. Good excuse, though, i admit, but who are you trying to fool? Yourself? It's more likely that the fear of her late 30's and early 40's was creeping in and with the knowledge that, in Thailand, you can do way younger, you thought why not, right?

But when the bubble bursts and she is 40? Will you be that 57 year-old guy with a 25 year-old or younger? Although you won't try to validate that on here i am sure.

Anyway, fair play to you, but you are only fooling yourself with you reasons and excuses, no one else. And the only people who genuinely agree with you are guys who "love Thailand" for the same reason as you.

It would be nice if we had more people in Thailand for different reasons. One day that will be the case. In the future, young Thai women won't flock towards old men in their millions. You are lucky to be here at this time. You will be the last generation to have this luxury (in Thailand), so you might as well "make hay while the sun is shining". And when it stops in Thailand, there is always Cambodia and Africa.

Ahh you must be an old timer. My grandfather said the same thing to me about his visits here in the 1950's. He said he heard about Thailand from reading logs from sailing ships in the 1600's. (Gramps didn't live way back then he was only reading ships logs on long ocean voyages because he had nothing else to do.)

Did you know Thailand had a reputation for being a sailors place to go way back then? You can read about it in French and Portuguese stories about the Ayutthaya Kingdom. They even wrote laws to govern the temporary relationships between sailors and their Thai rent wives.

Way I figure, men have been coming to Thailand for 500 years for the same lovely ladies. But you think it's going to change eh? If you want to see what my gramps was talking about two generations ago try the Mosquito Bar in Klong Toey. I don't know for sure but it still may be there.

Who knows maybe you are correct and Thailand will change a 500 year tradition of taking care of men from other countries, only time will tell.

Edited March 13, 2014 by thailiketoo

[RandomSand]

great news son. I agree wholeheartedly.

I am late forties and my girl is 25 and beautiful.

As I type she has just finished sweeping, dusting and moping my entire home. It is her day off. She has a degree and works for a big company.

Everything is swimmingly good...but there is one huge problem lurking to torpedo both your and my relationships with these nubile young maidens.

Kids.

I often pinch myself when I wake up next to my girl. She cares for me, is amazing in bed (but still slaps me if I try to kiss her in public), and is smart, beautiful and good with money. She has a lot of options. She is no doubt thinking about kids, the white picket fence, the whole nine yards. And why wouldn't she. She studied hard and worked part time to put herself through college. She didn't fall pregnant in the village or lower her own moral value by working in a bar. She deserves a good partner and kids with that bloke. Problem is...I am not that bloke.

So the reality is we are both worthless pricks. If we weren't we would sit down right now with our respective partners and to tell them that we are not Mr right. And then release them to find a decent bloke who is able (and willing) to provide them with a life tatamount to their dreams.

What! Do my eyes deceive me? A normal, balanced, compassionate human being posting on Thai Visa. Not only that but it would appear to be a male of the species who is with a younger girlfriend.

Surely there must be a forum rule prohibiting people like this enjoying free speech. How did this one slip through the net ?

[wym]

Fortunately many TGs are more focused on financial security than hot bods, and as many point out are able to usually have their cake and eat it too - personally fine with me. . .

Maybe that's true of the troglodytes you knock about with who clearly have very few options but most women don't go out looking for a man, see an old, bald hippo in shorts and say "Oh I bet he could pay my 5,000 baht rent and Truevisions bill without even blinking".

Most Thai women are in/from rural agricultural villages and pretty desperately poor, to the point that renting their own place for B5,000 (w-t-f??!!) or paying for a TV signal wouldn't even have entered their dream radar scope yet.

I strenuously object to your use of the term troglodytes to insult these salt of the earth people, usually far more pleasant and sincere than the wealthier urban minority.

And I don't wear shorts except at the beach.

Edited March 13, 2014 by wym

[Kitsune]

You include your GF in "your lifestyle", refers to her as "caliber" and you're asking what are the issues?