age restriction

[wolf5370]

Oh this is really good ! Take your 14 year old to a bar and watch Daddy get sloshed What every child should see

Don't we have enough problems without you amplifying future problems your kids would have since they see daddy drinking

Don't you know

Monkey see monkey do

Alternatively, kid sees Daddy drink responsibly, play connect-4 or cards together, chat with friends, order some food for them all to eat - and all go home before the revellers arrive. Monkey see, monkey do! It is even perhaps helpful to see drunks make fools of themselves as long as it isn't Daddy.

It is fairly well documented and known that when you take something away, or hide it away, from children, that when they suddenly have access to it they do not know how to handle it and are often excessive. This is true with alcohol (as it was with food and Nadia Comaneci for example - where she had an enforced diet through her childhood, then after the 76 Olympics could not control her eating) - and is the conclusion of many research papers - it is evident in the UK where alcohol is banned for under 18s, as opposed to the Continent where families drink with dinner and in the evenings, and include children; the former leads to binge drinking and excessive underage and young person consumption; the former does not.

As said many times in this thread - it depends on venue and time. If it is an unsafe or unsavoury environment, then yes, avoid. How many people would not take their teen age kids to a restaurant? How many that do, avoid wine or beer (or even Brandy/Calypso Coffee/etc) with/after their meal? How many would never have a beer or wine at home in the full view of the kids? So why would a non-girly bar during the day time be any different - most bars here are more like cafes during the day anyway. Some expat bars are also the only venue where teen kids can get together and chat while their parents also socialise.

I'm from the UK. There are many "working man's clubs", "Church Social Clubs", "Conservative/Labour Clubs", and so on that are family oriented - they have kids rooms, special "bars" that only sell fizz and snacks, kids friendly machines (i.e. not fruit machines which are age limited by law) - they used to have non smoking family rooms/areas too (now all non smoking) - and gardens - some even have petting areas with goats/rabbits/chickens/guinea-pigs/etc. People go to socialise, teens make new friends in a safe environment and rarely is there trouble because a lot of parent are there to ensure that - kids learn that drinking is part of the social system, which it is, and not a commodity to shove down your throat as fast as humanly possible before falling off the stool. This is better than the alternative - Daddy goes out after work and staggers in at midnight+ every other night (although not as good perhaps as Daddy doesn't drink), stinking of cigarette smoke and booze; which teaches them it must be fun to drink in such a way, as Daddy does it of his own volition so often!