Footage of Thai govt spokeswoman Sunisa's capture released

[Baerboxer]

Bloody animals takes all these thugs to capture, assault and intimidate one little woman. These people are nothing more than thugs. If it took all these to handle a woman how many did it take to beat the guy and toss him into the river.

Don't disagree with you regarding the group who treated the government's spokeswoman like this. CCTV shows them up for what they are.

The people responsible for beating and tossing the guy in the river need to be charged, tried and convicted before jumping to conclusions. Many oddities about that story.

If the CCTV's are actually working, as this footage suggests, how come all the grenade throwers and shooters haven't been identified captured and charged. Not one to date. Even the guy pictured lobbing the grenade near Victory Monument, the woman caught driving a car from which shots were fired, and the policeman caught firing at protesters from a motorbike, all mysteriously not charged.

These double standards and political interference in policing need eradicating before Thailand can ever be a true democracy. Not one singe pro government supporter has been charged with any offence during the current troubles. Staggering. They can ID 9 men responsible for detaining a government groupie but not make any progress on those who kill innocent children.

[PhilipCook]

Plenty of frivolous comments on this one. Its wise to understand the recent background of this lady and her reason for walzing into the opposing camp. In short, she is desperate for her 15 minutes of fame if not eternity. Not satisfied with the attention she got at the time she did this, now she seeks more attention by filing a complaint against the guards. Why not just give her a role on one of those crappy ch 3, ch7 dramas so she can get her attention in regular intervals.

[Fat Haggis]

The rationale of some posters here is rather disturbing and they need to quit this referencing back to what has happened in the past, just because X, Y or Z happened in the past, doesn't mean it should be compared to what happens in the present as in the making up of excuses!! yes excuses!! "Oh well when they did this in blah blah blah " how about showing a little humanity and imagine if this was your wife or girfriend, sister or mother, and imagine how you would feel..

Forget this crap, she should not have been there, why not ???? she should never had anything to fear as you have all pointed out a million times that the protests are all peacefull and you sing Kumbayah (In Thai) and eat marshmallows over an open fire...There's a very big difference to being a peaceful protestor to one that aggresively screams and shouts in your face, or even blows a whistle in your face, NOBODY should need to feel intimidated or unsafe and Bangkok should not be classed as a No Go area.

The unfortunate things is that there are <deleted> and troublemakers on all sides here, undesireables, who are indeed no more than thugs, and they're acting above the law because of the courts decisions. ANY act of violence has to be condemned, and this crap "She shouldn't have been there" coming from Farangs is just astounding, she's more right to be anywhere in Thailand as it's her country, you'd do well to remember that. And if you are ever unfortunate to be on the end of a good kicking, put it down to "I shouldn't have been there"

Was she stupid, of course but that's no reason for her treatment, and IF they were concerned for her safety (from whom?? they're peaceful protestors??) Then all it would have needed was for one of the guys who had some common descency about him to say to her " Look, this isn't the best place to be right now, I'll walk you to your car" and show some compassion and humanity.

[emanphoto]

Now we know why they blacked out all those CCTV cams, until they realized the police couldn't catch people shooting or tossing grenades at them. Shows to go ya what both parties here are capable of as we all know and have seen.

The elephant in the room in all these discussions is that both sides are completely corrupt, lying sacks of steaming monitor lizard poop, and none of them deserve our support or encouragement. None of their methods help or have helped to move the country forward or to bring forth a real viable candidate that would serve as a beacon of hope to anyone. Creating greater divisiveness as we've been forced to listen to for the past months got nowhere and now they are relegated to Lumphini Park with the rest of the monitor lizards. They're now just a whimpering pathetic and fortunately impotent group. They should have all gone home once the amnesty bill was quashed (which was a righteous endeavor) and a lot fewer people would be dead and injured.

[geriatrickid]

"violently manhandling her"

The minuscule bruise must have been life-threatening.

Were the guards in the wrong?

Yes

Is the complainant grossly exaggerating?

Yes

The mob assaulted a defenceless lone woman. It was a terrifying and traumatic event. She had no idea what they would do to her.

You may not have the ability to understand the fear and terror she experienced, but those of us with some modicum of humanity do.

The event was wrong in so many ways. This was politically motivated terror and intimidation.

This is Thailand and not the west. Evidently you do not understand the 'Thai way' of conducting themselves in these kinds of situations. Either you need to get out more or do some reading about the Thai culture, OR you are simply a red shirt sympathizer. I don't ever criticize any Thai for their conduct and their way of doing business, their business is not mine.

You state, " you don't ever criticize any Thai for their conduct and their way of doing business, their business, not mine"

I see.

So I take it then that are not a critic of the current Thai government, nor of the former PM Thaksin?

Odd, since you have expressed your view previously that you did not agree with the current government policy(s). After all it is the Thai way of doing business and you would never criticize that, right?

[smedly]

what is the point of this, the video shows nothing interesting, for all we know the people escorting her away may have been doing it for her protection, it's not a big deal either way and if true has already been condemned by PDRC leadership as rather stupid action by the guards - no harm came to her - move on

[Goat Roper]

"violently manhandling her"

The minuscule bruise must have been life-threatening.

Were the guards in the wrong?

Yes

Is the complainant grossly exaggerating?

Yes

The mob assaulted a defenceless lone woman. It was a terrifying and traumatic event. She had no idea what they would do to her.

You may not have the ability to understand the fear and terror she experienced, but those of us with some modicum of humanity do.

The event was wrong in so many ways. This was politically motivated terror and intimidation.

This is Thailand and not the west. Evidently you do not understand the 'Thai way' of conducting themselves in these kinds of situations. Either you need to get out more or do some reading about the Thai culture, OR you are simply a red shirt sympathizer. I don't ever criticize any Thai for their conduct and their way of doing business, their business is not mine.

You state, " you don't ever criticize any Thai for their conduct and their way of doing business, their business, not mine"

I see.

So I take it then that are not a critic of the current Thai government, nor of the former PM Thaksin?

Odd, since you have expressed your view previously that you did not agree with the current government policy(s). After all it is the Thai way of doing business and you would never criticize that, right?

Right!!! You still need to get out more and learn about Thai culture.

[Emster23]

"Footage Of Govt Spokeswoman's Capture Kidnapping Released"

Capture is what the police should do with those with warrants out on them, or in the act of committing crime(s). Suthep fits the term if police would do their job.

Kidnapping is what criminals and terrorists do. They have no legal authority to do what they did. Follow up speculations about rape, torture are missing the point. She didn't know what would happen to her once they kidnapped her (duh). She did not go willingly with them, they used force. Arguing about how much force was used is splitting hairs, and those apologists/rationalizers need to get a head to put those hairs on.

[Morch]

"violently manhandling her"

The minuscule bruise must have been life-threatening.

Were the guards in the wrong?

Yes

Is the complainant grossly exaggerating?

Yes

So if a gang of strangers chased you down and dragged you off against your will, you wouldn't be concerned for your safety. Personally I would be shitting myself and my heart would be beating overtime imagine how a woman would be feeling. No I don't think it is an over exaggeration.

If a tiny bruise is all the evidence of her "violent" treatment, I would call that exaggeration.

To avoid misogyny allegations, her experience should be considered no different than if she were a man as misogyny is a two-way street.

If i was taken, I would press charges based upon that charge, but I wouldn't embellish the incident with exaggerations that don't reflect the reality of what occurred.

...An abduction in broad day light by a bunch of armed (and you see them tucking their weapons into their pants) thugs of a government spokeswoman shows graphically why these people and those who finance them can never again ruin Thailand.

Following this your path of reasoning, both major parties ought to be banned from ruling/ruining the country.

[metisdead]

Inflammatory posts and replies have been removed.

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[Tycoon]

There is another side of this story.

The guards took her for her own safety as a mob was starting to gather around her.

The was kept for a very short while and the mob was disbursed and the guards then escorted her

to her car.

Seriously she was out of her mind to go near the place and she was lucky the crowd did not turn on her.

[chooka]

There is another side of this story.

The guards took her for her own safety as a mob was starting to gather around her.

The was kept for a very short while and the mob was disbursed and the guards then escorted her

to her car.

Seriously she was out of her mind to go near the place and she was lucky the crowd did not turn on her.

Really? I didn't se a mob gathering around her. I saw a woman out at the shops apparently minding her own business who was then chased down by a mob of thugs who forcefully removed her to somewhere she didn't want to go against her will and as a result she sustained injuries from these thugs. No woman anywhere in the world should be treated as she was by a pack of animals. They are not men as a man would never to this to a woman. I don't care what side of the political divide they come from they had no lawful authority to do this.

[Mackie]

Let's put things in the right context. Shortly after red shirt supporters murdered 5 children (Bangkok-Trat) the lady in question decides to walk right into the protest site. Absolutely idiotic. Anyway judging by the footage those guys, no matter what you think of them, did her a favour. They actually dragged her out to safety. Their job is to ensure that no one gets hurt. Did she get hurt? No. As I said, put things in the right context. 5 children were killed by her side, and emotions were running high amongst protesters.

Edited March 13, 2014 by Mackie

[Morch]

The rationale of some posters here is rather disturbing and they need to quit this referencing back to what has happened in the past, just because X, Y or Z happened in the past, doesn't mean it should be compared to what happens in the present as in the making up of excuses!! yes excuses!! "Oh well when they did this in blah blah blah " how about showing a little humanity and imagine if this was your wife or girfriend, sister or mother, and imagine how you would feel..

Forget this crap, she should not have been there, why not ???? she should never had anything to fear as you have all pointed out a million times that the protests are all peacefull and you sing Kumbayah (In Thai) and eat marshmallows over an open fire...There's a very big difference to being a peaceful protestor to one that aggresively screams and shouts in your face, or even blows a whistle in your face, NOBODY should need to feel intimidated or unsafe and Bangkok should not be classed as a No Go area.

The unfortunate things is that there are <deleted> and troublemakers on all sides here, undesireables, who are indeed no more than thugs, and they're acting above the law because of the courts decisions. ANY act of violence has to be condemned, and this crap "She shouldn't have been there" coming from Farangs is just astounding, she's more right to be anywhere in Thailand as it's her country, you'd do well to remember that. And if you are ever unfortunate to be on the end of a good kicking, put it down to "I shouldn't have been there"

Was she stupid, of course but that's no reason for her treatment, and IF they were concerned for her safety (from whom?? they're peaceful protestors??) Then all it would have needed was for one of the guys who had some common descency about him to say to her " Look, this isn't the best place to be right now, I'll walk you to your car" and show some compassion and humanity.

I think that there's a difference between excusing the actions of the guards (which I don't, btw) and acknowledging the context in which they took place. The guards were out of order and their actions unlawful, by all means let them be summoned, investigated, and punished if found guilty.

Sure, I wouldn't like this to happen to my wife/sister/mother/whomever, no arguement. But then again, non of them would consider hanging around a potentially hostile group of people wearing the wrong color shirt. Most Bangkokians that I know are the same. Of course this is not how things are supposed to be, and ideally everyone should be free to go anywhere under whatever circumstances. This being Thailand, not Utopia, things work differently. Cuts both ways of the divide. Sort of like chanting your team's song after a football match while entering a rival side's bar - you have the right to, sure. Choosing where and when to exercise your rights is a different matter. And yes, we got a decent hiding, and yes we put it down to "we shouldn't have been there" .

Stupid? Don't know about that. She is surely aware of political climate and situation. She is clearly aware that being affiliated with one side makes you an "enemy" to the other. I think it is quite the norm in Thai politics to avoid visiting areas where the other side is supported, unless office dictates.

"Look, this isn't the place to be right now, I'll walk you to your car" - You are right, of course, this would have been best. Sadly, showing courtesy to political rivals is not very common.

[fasteddie]

Disgusting behaviour by Suthep's bully boys, let's see how the armies stooges, sorry I mean judges, wriggle out of this one.

[emanphoto]

FINALLY someone gets it!

Following this your path of reasoning, both major parties ought to be banned from ruling/ruining the country.

[gemini81]

What a bunch of overreacting drama queens, making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[smedly]

"Footage Of Govt Spokeswoman's Capture Kidnapping Released"

Capture is what the police should do with those with warrants out on them, or in the act of committing crime(s). Suthep fits the term if police would do their job.

Kidnapping is what criminals and terrorists do. They have no legal authority to do what they did. Follow up speculations about rape, torture are missing the point. She didn't know what would happen to her once they kidnapped her (duh). She did not go willingly with them, they used force. Arguing about how much force was used is splitting hairs, and those apologists/rationalizers need to get a head to put those hairs on.

Capture - kidnap strong words that don't fit what went on here

Detained for a short time - possibly,

rescued - possibly,

released unharmed - fact

The picture in the OP speaks loads of what went on, it looks like a press photo, she was unharmed and released , I doubt very much this lady is even being allowed to tell her own story freely- you reds can spin this to death but in reality nothing much else to say here is there

[winstonc]

Bloody animals takes all these thugs to capture, assault and intimidate one little woman. These people are nothing more than thugs. If it took all these to handle a woman how many did it take to beat the guy and toss him into the river.

hearsay as usual

[smedly]

all you people on here claiming she was abused in any way - prove it, show me the evidence that she wasn't taken to safety and actually rescued - go on prove it, was she injured - no, did Charlerm instruct her what to tell the press after the event - very likely

enough of this absolute nonsense over basically nothing

and all this while peaceful PDRC speakers are ending their involvement because of death threats from the redshirt thugs - you people understand the word contrast

[DLP]

Well they have it on tape. For what its worth

[emanphoto]

PDRC protests are ending because of lack of relevance, no ideas and no real answers or candidates put forward other than the corrupt bas_ards running that show who've already had their chances in office and blew it.

People, look, both sides are lying sacks of monitor lizard poop. The PDRC ending up w/the lizards in Lumphini is poetic. To side w/one side or the other is stupid. Sorry there's no other word for it.

To believe that one lying sack of sh_t is going to magically remove corruption or do anything else better than the other is naive at best. It's good to be skeptical but paint both sides liberally with that same brush.

all you people on here claiming she was abused in any way - prove it, show me the evidence that she wasn't taken to safety and actually rescued - go on prove it, was she injured - no, did Charlerm instruct her what to tell the press after the event - very likely

enough of this absolute nonsense over basically nothing

and all this while peaceful PDRC speakers are ending their involvement because of death threats from the redshirt thugs - you people understand the word contrast

[CTO]

now we're clearly aware we live among beasts, what is the best way of dealing with these ill-educated monsters and burdens upon society?

Send them to Issan, and deprive them of their vote I say.

Hmmmmmmmm

[airconsult]

But he can't end the protests - remember he promised to hand himself in to the police when the protest ends....

[emanphoto]

Final whatever #27

Nov. 24.. Suthep sets November 24 as day to declare victory against Thaksin Regime - Thai PBS English News

Dec 5 Suthep vows to end everything before December 5 - Thai PBS English News

etc etc etc...

[Smokemachine]

If they have break the laws, by all means deal with the law breakers accordingly.

We do not need any violence people around us.

In the video there are people walking up Sunisa direction and later one man seems to grab her arm and the rest are covering her escorting her away. Is there other video can show us these people are assaulting her? Where is she at that time in the video?

Outside the rally? Or is in the rally point? She reported physically assaulted.

What is her reported medical examination result? Is she badly injured that day?

All these guys look real nasty. I'm sure Sunisa a gentle looking lady should have gotten real hurt, at least few cribs broken.

Is she recovering now?

[chooka]

"Footage Of Govt Spokeswoman's Capture Kidnapping Released"

Capture is what the police should do with those with warrants out on them, or in the act of committing crime(s). Suthep fits the term if police would do their job.

Kidnapping is what criminals and terrorists do. They have no legal authority to do what they did. Follow up speculations about rape, torture are missing the point. She didn't know what would happen to her once they kidnapped her (duh). She did not go willingly with them, they used force. Arguing about how much force was used is splitting hairs, and those apologists/rationalizers need to get a head to put those hairs on.

Capture - kidnap strong words that don't fit what went on here

Detained for a short time - possibly,

rescued - possibly,

released unharmed - fact

The picture in the OP speaks loads of what went on, it looks like a press photo, she was unharmed and released , I doubt very much this lady is even being allowed to tell her own story freely- you reds can spin this to death but in reality nothing much else to say here is there

released unharmed - fact - Apart from the emotional/psychological and physical injuries, but hey she is just a woman surrounded by numerous male thugs who took her against her will. She needs to grow a pair and harden up, be a man.

Your not really serious are you that she was unharmed? To say she was unharmed is insensitive, misogynistic and just purely evil.

[penwithcris]

I was dramatically graped in Pattaya last year

Don't I mean raped?

No, there were a bunch of them!!

[Suriya4]

Well they have it on tape. For what its worth

The taps only prove that the guard were protecting her from harm.

Just like a personal escort service.

It is not like she was rape at the back stage or something like that.

The guards like want to have a nice conversation with her, and maybe want her autograph.

[chooka]

Well they have it on tape. For what its worth

The taps only prove that the guard were protecting her from harm.

Just like a personal escort service.

It is not like she was rape at the back stage or something like that.

The guards like want to have a nice conversation with her, and maybe want her autograph.

Total bullshite look at the video she resisted. That is why it took 15+ Thai men. 1st guy goes up and calls for backup, Help it is one on one I need urgent assistance. Normal Thai be it red/yellow mentality. Thais never go one on one even with a female. Backup arrives then the plea goes out, help it is three against one need urgent backup she looked at us. Help Help Help send us everything you have.

Going by that tape and her resistance, her word there would be no problem in getting a conviction in front of a jury.

I charged a taxi driver with false imprisonment as he took a customer straight to the police station instead of her destination and he stated he feared she did not have the money to pay. He never gave her the opportunity to pay. She had the money for the fare. He was convicted and received a 2 year suspended sentence. Lost his taxi licence.

Edited March 13, 2014 by chooka