MH370: Six theories in search of a plane

[orosee]

What's with all the nonsense about Iran or Iranians being proof for terrorism? The last decade gas clearly shown that the major sponsors of terrorism are allied with the West. Give me a few Saudis or Jordanians on that plane and I'll blow the same horn, but by now the terrorism or hijacking angle seems pretty far fetched.

Same to the North Korea hypothesis, ever looked at the route to NK? LOTS of early warning radar all the way from Taiwan to Beijing to Seoul, very doubtful that an unidentified plane could make it through that corridor without three major powers not noticing.

But I won't deny my guilty pleasure of reading the Internet nonsense about this. At the least it reveals how little people know about planes, phones and politics. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing indeed.

[cosmont]

I decided to Boycott Malaysian airline.

[bander]

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I feel that a government somewhere is hiding the truth.

Nobody seems to be thinking outside the box. Huge UFOs a kilometer wide have been seen before (and verified on radar). Their ability to disappear or cloak themselves is known. Why couldn't the plane not be inside one of these UFOs now? It's possible.

I was once abducted by the UFO you talking about, didn't see any jets in there though, another question: where is my medication?

[soalbundy]

I feel that a government somewhere is hiding the truth.

Nobody seems to be thinking outside the box. Huge UFOs a kilometer wide have been seen before (and verified on radar). Their ability to disappear or cloak themselves is known. Why couldn't the plane not be inside one of these UFOs now? It's possible.

The frightening thing about this post is that you probably have the right to vote somewhere

[BCP]

They will have to find something solid to give the search any direction at all.

The MAS senior executives are doing a rather good job at making themselves look stupid.

How can they write off the idea that the plane might have flown on for up to 4 hours? In my book an aircraft embarking on a 6-hour flight would have something like 8 hours worth of fuel on board. If 'something' happened an hour into the flight would that not leave 7 hours worth of fuel? And now they have u-turned and are saying it might have flown on for a long time after losing contact. However likely or unlikely it is, If it did fly on from where it 'disappeared' it would have flown into someones air space and be picked up on their primary radar as an unidentifed aircraft entering their airspace. Would that not solicit at least some response from whose ever air force it concerned?

Good luck to them but these are not the brightest of people to be handling this difficult situation.

[khunPer]

Think there’s a lot more to this accident/case than we are told in the media; some information/evidence are not well enough denied and/or explained – even the above posters suggesting collision with a military drone or aliens seems valid explanations at this point.

What makes “something rotten” is the extended search area, like Malacca Street and Indian Ocean, if it was indeed an accident in the sea between Malaysia and Vietnam. And that sea is not that big, compared to the Air France plane lost in the Atlantic some years ago, so some kind of wreckage or trail should have been found there by now – furthermore, no explosion in air has been observed by the surveillance satellites (at least to public knowledge).

However, indications that the transponder was switched off by intention or damaged by cracks, and the plane continuing in another direction than the Beijing heading – with intension or by autopilot, perhaps even for hours – makes me think about the how efficient military radars and satellites are; if such a big and non radar invisible plane can pass unattended, the military systems seems fairly valueless.

The must be something more, we (the public) are not told…

[eddie61]

here's an idea; terrorists carried a nerve gas such as sarin, which was released near the flight deck, and infiltrated the flight deck first.

The terrorists also carried an antidote such as atropine, which they disguised as insulin, and with which they injected themselves prior to releasing the sarin.

With everyone else on board dead or dying, they found a way into the cockpit, turned off any transponders, turned the plane onto a different course, presumably one over deep water such as the indian ocean, stroked their beards and started dreaming about the ten thousand virgins they would meet in heaven.

Edited March 14, 2014 by eddie61

[khaosai]

Hi,

The issue with the fuselage cracks being discovered are related to the satcom antennas on the top of the fuselage and not the transponder.

[Phuketboy]

The hijack theory is out as the plane would still show on radar. If the plane crashed over land or exploded in the air, this would show on radar and even if communication was lost the trace would have been picked up by military in the area. Cell phones were left on as family members have been able to call numbers, the phones ring but no answer. This rules out a crash in the ocean as water and cell phones don't really work well together and the phone would stop working. The emergency signals sent out from the black boxes (these are actually yellow) are not sending out signals, or at least this is what we are told. For both boxes to malfunctioning is very highly unlikely. Even if the plane had crashed or exploded mid flight, these boxes will still work as they are bomb and water proof. If the plane had crashed in the ocean debris would float, there are many parts of the plane that are designed to float such as the seat cushions. You can actually use these as a floatation device if needed. As no debris has been found and no explosion detected on any radar even that of the military, there is no proof that a crash took place. I hope they do find out what happened and the truth be told no some story to keep people happy. My heart goes out to the families and friends of the passengers.

[Credo]

I think the satellites are pretty much set to try and ignore commercial flights. They are looking for things out of the ordinary. There are also thousands and thousands of commercial flights. In general they are in contact with a lot of radar and communication devices. It's a little like looking for one particular mosquito in a swamp.

[robhufton]

here's an idea; terrorists carried a nerve gas such as sarin, which was released near the flight deck, and infiltrated the flight deck first.

The terrorists also carried an antidote such as atropine, which they disguised as insulin, and with which they injected themselves prior to releasing the sarin.

With everyone else on board dead or dying, they found a way into the cockpit, turned off any transponders, turned the plane onto a different course, presumably one over deep water such as the indian ocean, stroked their beards and started dreaming about the ten thousand virgins they would meet in heaven.

I thought that it was 72 virgins?

Anyway, many are not so keen any more now they have have seen Susan Boyle and know what a virgin looks like

[Halion]

Sadly this article fails to touch on salient points.

Catastrophic failure from critical decompression would have scattered debris all over the ocean.

Even aircraft making an emergency controlled landing in water tend to break up on impact

To remain undetected by radar they would have to had dropped to below 1000 feet which makes any passage over northern Malaysia hazardous at best and for what purpose.

The Gulf of Thailand is very shallow as is much of the South China Sea and the locator beacon signals would have been very clear.

What happened to the aircraft is indeed a mystery, however ,deductive logic would demonstrate that this was not due to domino effect failures and man had a hand in the disappearance of this flight.

[khaosai]

Sadly this article fails to touch on salient points.

Catastrophic failure from critical decompression would have scattered debris all over the ocean.

Even aircraft making an emergency controlled landing in water tend to break up on impact

To remain undetected by radar they would have to had dropped to below 1000 feet which makes any passage over northern Malaysia hazardous at best and for what purpose.

The Gulf of Thailand is very shallow as is much of the South China Sea and the locator beacon signals would have been very clear.

What happened to the aircraft is indeed a mystery, however ,deductive logic would demonstrate that this was not due to domino effect failures and man had a hand in the disappearance of this flight.

Low level at night in a large jet to avoid primary radar over an area of high terrain would be nigh on impossible.

Primary radar range is very limited, in the region of 60 miles. At high level these jets are travelling at approx 8 miles a minute. Less than ten mins later it's off the radar screen. Secondary radar is different, much larger ranges are possible, being in the region of 200 to 250 nautical miles. They however require a serviceable transponder on the aircraft.

[Lockheed]

In OZ a few days ago they had a conference on airline safety, they had people from all around the world attend, it's just a coincidence that this saga is taking place while it's happening. Anyway they had a guy from that conference talk on television about possible theory's and he said the discussion was about what is in the cargo hold, maybe there was something of great value in there that someone wanted.

On another show, they said the Malaysians have dug themselves into a hole but they're trying to save face so that hole will be getting a lot deeper before the truth comes out.

[SanukJoeII]

I have another theory, as all others it is guessing, but I think possible.

The plane turned around and entered the (part of) Thai airpace, Malaysian airspace and continued to fly, but followed by Malaysian military radar. It also could have entered Indonesian airspace, and futher Myanmar, Bangladesh, India, Sri Lanka airspace. All these countries got a unidentified flying object (UFO yes) on their (military) radar, no identification was given by the plane and some (Malaysian?) airforce decided to launch ground-to-air missiles and destroyed the plane in such a way that no large pieces would be left, it is possible by missile attack that the plane is disintegrated in tiny pieces, and as nobody knows where that was no civil radar caught any falling pieces, if at all visible on the old-fashioned radio-wave ground radars.

It happened before, airforce shoots own country airplane down, because of the height it might have been the most powerful missile available, hence the total destruction.

Question rises of course why Airforce did not send fighters in the air to check on the plane and try to force it to land... That might be the great mystery, failure and the reason why Malaysian officials have problems to reveil the truth and have the air force commander shut his mouth...

It would explain why no signals from neither airplane nor black box and voice recorder, in a heavy attack from outside (missile) they would be destroyed, they are only bomb proof from inside the plane.

[gunnyd]

All of this speculation is fueled by two things: The unending 24 news cycle and the false belief that our current technology is pretty much infallible. Think about any CSI episode you have seen. TV and movies give people a false sense of security portraying the high tech nature of forensics. Is flying safer than just about anything (standing on a Bangkok balcony, taking a bath with a katoey) definitely, can stuff happen? Hell yes! We don't like to think of our own mortality. Plus everybody hates when they close the plane's door and you put your life in the hands of strangers. Terrorists aren't that smart, frankly the professionals (Mossad, CIA, KGB, FSB, MI-6) aren't that smart or good either. The last major hijackings happened with boxcutters and the false belief that capitulating to hijackers demands was the correct action. That won't happen the same way again. The flying public knows better. We speculate because most of us fly frequently and the reality that air travel is not completely safe and it scares the hell out of us. The "cascade effect" is most likely the culprit. Combine that with the importance of saving face present in most Asian cultures and you get the clusterf--k that we have in this air incident/crash investigation. It's all about not looking bad in front of their peers. We will all know when we know, there is no conspiracy, at least that's what I want you to think.

[Hulkster]

No wreckage... the pilots turning off the transponders - there was no malfunction, that plane had an EXCELLENT service record...

There has been foul play.... that plane can easily be painted over or just replacing a normal flight with this flight filled with explosives or biological germ warfare...

Conspiracy theorists always operate on not having all of the information to hand which is why there are so many dumb theories on so many subjects. Whenever a theory is proved to wrong it is never acknowledged by a dumb conspiracy theorist cuz they just make up another theory and continue. All they are looking for is anything that can confirm said dumb theory while ignoring everything that contradicts it.

Wait for all of the information to come out and then make your own conclusion if need be. Just stop guessing.

It clearly points to a hijacking, whether by a pilot or passengers. It's the most likely explanation. It's hardly a "conspiracy theory" to suggest it was most likely a hijacking.

[Loptr]

I hate to think terrorist are smarter than the good guys.

Depends on your point of view as to who are the good guys and who are the bad guys. The lines are quite blurred these days.

[JesseFrank]

No wreckage... the pilots turning off the transponders - there was no malfunction, that plane had an EXCELLENT service record...

There has been foul play.... that plane can easily be painted over or just replacing a normal flight with this flight filled with explosives or biological germ warfare...

Conspiracy theorists always operate on not having all of the information to hand which is why there are so many dumb theories on so many subjects. Whenever a theory is proved to wrong it is never acknowledged by a dumb conspiracy theorist cuz they just make up another theory and continue. All they are looking for is anything that can confirm said dumb theory while ignoring everything that contradicts it.

Wait for all of the information to come out and then make your own conclusion if need be. Just stop guessing.

It clearly points to a hijacking, whether by a pilot or passengers. It's the most likely explanation. It's hardly a "conspiracy theory" to suggest it was most likely a hijacking.

A hijacking at this level can only be performed by Hans Gruber....................and I think he's a fictitious personage.

[Loptr]

Sadly this article fails to touch on salient points.

Catastrophic failure from critical decompression would have scattered debris all over the ocean.

Even aircraft making an emergency controlled landing in water tend to break up on impact

To remain undetected by radar they would have to had dropped to below 1000 feet which makes any passage over northern Malaysia hazardous at best and for what purpose.

The Gulf of Thailand is very shallow as is much of the South China Sea and the locator beacon signals would have been very clear.

What happened to the aircraft is indeed a mystery, however ,deductive logic would demonstrate that this was not due to domino effect failures and man had a hand in the disappearance of this flight.

Low level at night in a large jet to avoid primary radar over an area of high terrain would be nigh on impossible.

Primary radar range is very limited, in the region of 60 miles. At high level these jets are travelling at approx 8 miles a minute. Less than ten mins later it's off the radar screen. Secondary radar is different, much larger ranges are possible, being in the region of 200 to 250 nautical miles. They however require a serviceable transponder on the aircraft.

Why? Low level, no terrain to avoid over water, heading and altitude hold on the autopilot. Aircraft have been avoiding radar by flying low and fast for a long, long time.

[3NUMBAS]

The entire aircraft could have been disintegrated on a high vilocity ground impact. In theory, there would be nothing left.

thats been discounted as signals were being pushed to satellites after contact was lost ,for several hours, so it was flying somewhere

and the 2 comms were turned off at different times like 20 minutes apart ,transponder 1st then the rest later on

[Loptr]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/14/us-malaysia-airlines-radar-exclusive-idUSBREA2D0DG20140314

(Reuters) - Military radar data suggests a Malaysia Airlines jetliner missing for nearly a week was deliberately flown hundreds of miles off course, heightening suspicions of foul play among investigators, sources told Reuters on Friday.

Analysis of the Malaysia data suggests the plane, with 239 people on board, diverted from its intended northeast route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing and flew west instead, using airline flight corridors normally employed for routes to the Middle East and Europe, said sources familiar with investigations into the Boeing 777's disappearance.

Two sources said an unidentified aircraft that investigators believe was Flight MH370 was following a route between navigational waypoints when it was last plotted on military radar off the country's northwest coast

[Tayida]

The planes is safe i think.its just used in the nearly future like tactical army

[cobra]

Occam’s Razor: Occam's Ra

Occam’s Razor:

Of all possibilities, the simplest is usually correct,

Locating that which is lost:

1. Big ocean,
2. Small object,
3. Night,
4. Technology not infallible,
5. Emelia Earhart’s plane never found, largest search is history,

[Tayida]

1. Emelia Earhart’s plane never found, largest search is history,

Yes Cobra but that was in 1937

[Lockheed]

1937 hey, well radar was great in the forties but today is pretty outdated, they have this new system but only one country has it fully operational and OZ has it working above 30000 feet, so they may implement this system throughout the world now.

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[Blackmirage2013]

No way the plane just crashed into the Andaman Sea... do you think the pilots turned the plane around and flew four hours just to crash it into the sea???!!!

That is the dumbest idea I've ever heard... forget the bottom of the ocean, it is not there....

We should be looking for that plane at airports in Pakistan, Yemen, Omar and even up near Russia.... That is my guess....

[F4UCorsair]

In reply to the OP, the aircraft may not have been seen on any radar once the transponder was turned off. The primary 'paint' on a radar is only good to about 30 nautical miles, 50 kms, and it wouldn't be difficult to fly between radar heads.......... provided the person flying knew where they were, and that information would be fairly readily available. Once more than 30 miles from land, they could go almost anywhere undetected, until fuel exhaustion.

If hijacked by a competent pilot, and landed, the location would be within a radius determined by the remaining fuel from the last known position, but with the associated publicity, it would have been 'outed' by now. A B777 needs a lot more than a couple of hundred meters of grass runway, so it would have to be a recognized airfield, or perhaps an old wartime runway, but it would be seen on satellite imaging by now.

My money is on it being hijacked, flown way off course (no wreckage along flight path), suffering fuel exhaustion and crashing into the sea. Once out of fuel, and on limited power and instrumentation, REAL skill is required to fly, so loss of control would have almost certainly have resulted......unless it was hijacked by a competent pilot of a jet airline category aircraft, one of the crew??

[JSPS]

Theory 382c: The plane landed at the airport in Bangor, Maine. But there is no one around because they landed in a dimension - a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. They've moved into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. They've just crossed over into the Twilight Zone. "

[Tayida]

Theory 382c: The plane landed at the airport in Bangor, Maine. But there is no one around because they landed in a dimension - a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. They've moved into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. They've just crossed over into the Twilight Zone. "

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