Jatuporn new UDD chief

[Rich teacher]

Putting a cretin in charge of a bunch of retards will produce, as in the chinese curse, interesting times

It's certainly caused some disruption in Bangkok recently

[TheReporter]

Elections in Thailand has never been transparent with fairness. Everyone buys votes, so it makes no difference if the person was voted into office or just be appointed to take over an office. Where I live, our Phu Yai Ban and Kam Nan always pay for votes; otherwise they would not get the votes they need to be elected into office. This is Thailand's political business as usual.

[MobileContent]

Bad move for Thida to leave as the UDD chief. Jatuporn is the extreme element of the red shirt.

[Fryslan boppe]

"Jatuporn new UDD chief"

Jatuporn has effectively been the leader anyway, with Thida being a very good spokesperson.....It is only natural that Jatuporn take over, now that the Elite are trying to complete their plan to eliminate another elected Govt., via their agencies, etc.

Some of the derogatory comments made about Jatuporn in above Posts, perhaps reflect an underlying fear by PAD-Dem's. that they are up against formidable forces and Opposition now, unlike in 2006.

Jatuporn has massive support within the pro-Democracy Movement. In trying to denigrate the organization by impugning negativity due to lack of elections, one must remember that this is not a Political Party. One can say with certainty, that the Elite better not underestimate his leadership and the respect he garners throughout the UDD. To try and discount him, they are attempting to diminish a major Political figure within the Pro-Democracy Movement....They do so at their own endangerment should they persist in their anti-democratic ways.

"About 6,000 red shirts gathered at Ayutthaya's provincial stadium..."

Yeah right.....Consider the source when reading this.

I won't get into a numbers game, but from those who were there, there is talk from those who were there, that there was not even room to sit anywhere, never mind the mass outside the main venue.

The anti-UDD/PTP media is playing the same game they did during the build-up of anti-coup forces after 2006 and before 2010 R'song. Both ignoring the huge build-up of pro-Democracy and Anti-coup forces and rallies, and grossly under-reporting them, as in above quote.

Then when the Movement hit Bangkok, there was feigned surprise by the media, and genuine surprise by those who believe what they were told.

That is dangerous however, as those who support the Elite, have no idea what they are up against, until it is too late. The PAD-Dem rank-and-file in their support of endeavors to eliminate another elected Govt, and avoiding parliament by exercising Opposition through their user-friendly judiciary and Agencies, underestimate the pro-Democracy forces at their own peril.

Thailand: “Mass” Pro-Government Rally is a Mass Flop (nsnbc international excerpts, 15 Mar. 2014)

Read the full article at: http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/15/thailand-mass-pro-government-rally-mass-flop/

I wouldn't ba at all surprised if the support is dropping but that article does seem a bit over the top and one sided.

"I wouldn't ba at all surprised if the support is dropping..." (for UDD/Red Shirts)

Why would you say that? What possible evidence is there to support such a conclusion, when exactly the opposite is happening, in the wake of Amart anti-democrats trying to steal another election....Again.

Scratch below the media down-playing and diminishing of yesterday's Ayuthaya thing, and reality will set in, believe me.

Nothing has done more to galvanize support for the pro-Democrats, in the face of street violence, gratuitous explosions and current attempts to advance coup-mongering via their agencies and judiciary. Their obvious attempts to avoid Parliament where the voters have put them in their place, is well-known.

PAD-Dem's repetitious mantra and agenda of hopeful rhetoric in this regard, flying in the face of reality, seems obvious to me.....It smacks of desperate "Please let it be so" bleatings, and then another electoral results smacks them.

Reality always trumps agenized rhetoric.

Edited March 16, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[Robby nz]

Anyone else notice who his haircut in modeled on ?

I suppose he is qualified for the job, he did give his occupation as political activist, which makes him a professional.

Must be an extremely lucrative business because it has made him a millionaire, still I suppose you do need to chose the correct employer.

[BLUENILE]

Can Suthep remind us which one is the site of the great uprising of the people??

Left = Original Pix, Right = Red Shirts propoganda pix

[Artisi]

Press release.

This is the new Red Shirt anthem under Jutuporns leadership.

Let us hope it's soon.

[Artisi]

Difference being the UDD is a movement formed from the people wheras the PAD/PDRC are formed and financed from the pockets of thai big business (elites) as we know, supported by tte hi-so bangkokians and with an army of paid southern hooligans and street people.

Don't be silly. The UDD is bought, paid for and in the pocket of your hero Mr Thaksin Shinawatra. But you knew that already, right?

Please don't quote too many truths, it makes it far too difficult for the red boiler room typists to stay focused.

[ChrisY1]

Wonder if Jatuporn was elected democratically ?

Probably done the same way as in Australia, political parties elect their leaders. It is done in house and the public have no say in the structure of the parties.

Similar to the Ku Klux Klan .

Mmmm...we're pretty stupid too then.....!

Not the smart country at all!

[Artisi]

Anyone else notice who his haircut in modeled on ?

I suppose he is qualified for the job, he did give his occupation as political activist, which makes him a professional.

Must be an extremely lucrative business because it has made him a millionaire, still I suppose you do need to chose the correct employer.

Yep, the correct employer is crucial, it must be someone with no morals, feelings, or care for his fellow man although he must portray love, care and understanding at all times while lying thru' his teeth. And most importantly the fringe benefits offered by this employer must be outstanding with payment based on the amount of trouble, injuries caused and lives lost - anything else doesn't rate as bonus payable.

So it would appear we now have a perfect team in place.

[whybother]

"I wouldn't ba at all surprised if the support is dropping..." (for UDD/Red Shirts)

Why would you say that? What possible evidence is there to support such a conclusion, when exactly the opposite is happening, in the wake of Amart anti-democrats trying to steal another election....Again.

Scratch below the media down-playing and diminishing of yesterday's Ayuthaya thing, and reality will set in, believe me.

Nothing has done more to galvanize support for the pro-Democrats, in the face of street violence, gratuitous explosions and current attempts to advance coup-mongering via their agencies and judiciary. Their obvious attempts to avoid Parliament where the voters have put them in their place, is well-known.

PAD-Dem's repetitious mantra and agenda of hopeful rhetoric in this regard, flying in the face of reality, seems obvious to me.....It smacks of desperate "Please let it be so" bleatings, and then another electoral results smacks them.

Reality always trumps agenized rhetoric.

"What possible evidence is there to support such a conclusion, when exactly the opposite is happening,"

Where is the evidence to support that "exactly the opposite is happening"?

[HonestQuietBob]

"I wouldn't ba at all surprised if the support is dropping..." (for UDD/Red Shirts)

Why would you say that? What possible evidence is there to support such a conclusion, when exactly the opposite is happening, in the wake of Amart anti-democrats trying to steal another election....Again.

Scratch below the media down-playing and diminishing of yesterday's Ayuthaya thing, and reality will set in, believe me.

Nothing has done more to galvanize support for the pro-Democrats, in the face of street violence, gratuitous explosions and current attempts to advance coup-mongering via their agencies and judiciary. Their obvious attempts to avoid Parliament where the voters have put them in their place, is well-known.

PAD-Dem's repetitious mantra and agenda of hopeful rhetoric in this regard, flying in the face of reality, seems obvious to me.....It smacks of desperate "Please let it be so" bleatings, and then another electoral results smacks them.

Reality always trumps agenized rhetoric.

"What possible evidence is there to support such a conclusion, when exactly the opposite is happening,"

Where is the evidence to support that "exactly the opposite is happening"?

Wouldn't it be great if there was an election and we could really see what the current state of affairs is regarding red vs yellow supporter numbers.

Then again, maybe we can just assume that the side with the least support is the side most afraid of elections.

Wonder who that could be?

[whybother]

"I wouldn't ba at all surprised if the support is dropping..." (for UDD/Red Shirts)

Why would you say that? What possible evidence is there to support such a conclusion, when exactly the opposite is happening, in the wake of Amart anti-democrats trying to steal another election....Again.

Scratch below the media down-playing and diminishing of yesterday's Ayuthaya thing, and reality will set in, believe me.

Nothing has done more to galvanize support for the pro-Democrats, in the face of street violence, gratuitous explosions and current attempts to advance coup-mongering via their agencies and judiciary. Their obvious attempts to avoid Parliament where the voters have put them in their place, is well-known.

PAD-Dem's repetitious mantra and agenda of hopeful rhetoric in this regard, flying in the face of reality, seems obvious to me.....It smacks of desperate "Please let it be so" bleatings, and then another electoral results smacks them.

Reality always trumps agenized rhetoric.

"What possible evidence is there to support such a conclusion, when exactly the opposite is happening,"

Where is the evidence to support that "exactly the opposite is happening"?

Wouldn't it be great if there was an election and we could really see what the current state of affairs is regarding red vs yellow supporter numbers.

Then again, maybe we can just assume that the side with the least support is the side most afraid of elections.

Wonder who that could be?

What would an election prove? Do the red shirts have their own party?

[HonestQuietBob]

"I wouldn't ba at all surprised if the support is dropping..." (for UDD/Red Shirts)

Why would you say that? What possible evidence is there to support such a conclusion, when exactly the opposite is happening, in the wake of Amart anti-democrats trying to steal another election....Again.

Scratch below the media down-playing and diminishing of yesterday's Ayuthaya thing, and reality will set in, believe me.

Nothing has done more to galvanize support for the pro-Democrats, in the face of street violence, gratuitous explosions and current attempts to advance coup-mongering via their agencies and judiciary. Their obvious attempts to avoid Parliament where the voters have put them in their place, is well-known.

PAD-Dem's repetitious mantra and agenda of hopeful rhetoric in this regard, flying in the face of reality, seems obvious to me.....It smacks of desperate "Please let it be so" bleatings, and then another electoral results smacks them.

Reality always trumps agenized rhetoric.

"What possible evidence is there to support such a conclusion, when exactly the opposite is happening,"

Where is the evidence to support that "exactly the opposite is happening"?

Wouldn't it be great if there was an election and we could really see what the current state of affairs is regarding red vs yellow supporter numbers.

Then again, maybe we can just assume that the side with the least support is the side most afraid of elections.

Wonder who that could be?

What would an election prove? Do the red shirts have their own party?

What am I? On Mars?

red shirt = PTP

yellow shirt = Democrat

No?

[tomacht8]

"I wouldn't ba at all surprised if the support is dropping..." (for UDD/Red Shirts)

Why would you say that? What possible evidence is there to support such a conclusion, when exactly the opposite is happening, in the wake of Amart anti-democrats trying to steal another election....Again.

Scratch below the media down-playing and diminishing of yesterday's Ayuthaya thing, and reality will set in, believe me.

Nothing has done more to galvanize support for the pro-Democrats, in the face of street violence, gratuitous explosions and current attempts to advance coup-mongering via their agencies and judiciary. Their obvious attempts to avoid Parliament where the voters have put them in their place, is well-known.

PAD-Dem's repetitious mantra and agenda of hopeful rhetoric in this regard, flying in the face of reality, seems obvious to me.....It smacks of desperate "Please let it be so" bleatings, and then another electoral results smacks them.

Reality always trumps agenized rhetoric.

"What possible evidence is there to support such a conclusion, when exactly the opposite is happening,"

Where is the evidence to support that "exactly the opposite is happening"?

Wouldn't it be great if there was an election and we could really see what the current state of affairs is regarding red vs yellow supporter numbers.

Then again, maybe we can just assume that the side with the least support is the side most afraid of elections.

Wonder who that could be?

Yes elections are good, with some little changes:

I.

They must urgently change the law that exclude all persons from the Parliament, from electoral lists and from civil servant posts, which

a have criminal records.

b running free on bail (mandatory suspension until the sentence in the last instance is present)

c were already banned from parliament in the past.

d against are corruption / crime cases opened (mandatory suspension until the sentence in the last instance is present)

No criminals and/or corrupt people in government, parliament or as a civil servant!

II.

Like for all future budgeting processes they make it compulsory for all future governments, that

- the use of money for project proposals are accurately represented in detail and coherent on the last baht.

- the use of money for project proposals is described in detail for all people publicly documented and visible

- Public monthly or quarterly reports on Finance and project progresses.

- Public invitation for project proposals and at least three competitive compare offers.

- Project completion reports including all expenses with receipts.

- a strong supervisory committee composed of members is formed by all parties,

to control the entire investment process without disabilities and time delay restrictions.

The results of the process and progress checks are presented to the parliament.

The members of the supervisory body should rotate so that corruption is impossible or more difficult.

When public funds are used, then the public has the right to see what the representatives of the people plan to do with the money and how it was used.

It must be prevented that a country can be completely plundered by a few unethical people just because they are currently in power.

III.

- Strengthen the independent monitoring bodies.

- Decentralization of authorities, including the police

- Introduction of a independent tax police, which checks all unexplained asset increases.

- Change in the bail system.

- Fast processing of 25.000 open corruption cases

- Abolition of the immunity of Members of Parliament

- Fixed periods for court proceedings. (Indictment to judgment within 90 days)

IV.

- All political parties need to write a manifesto and it must be published.

- Political parties must be accountable to report on their financial (accounting, sources of funds, use of funds)

These I-IV are basic standards within a democracy.

Edited March 16, 2014 by tomacht8

[kimamey]

"Jatuporn new UDD chief"

Jatuporn has effectively been the leader anyway, with Thida being a very good spokesperson.....It is only natural that Jatuporn take over, now that the Elite are trying to complete their plan to eliminate another elected Govt., via their agencies, etc.

Some of the derogatory comments made about Jatuporn in above Posts, perhaps reflect an underlying fear by PAD-Dem's. that they are up against formidable forces and Opposition now, unlike in 2006.

Jatuporn has massive support within the pro-Democracy Movement. In trying to denigrate the organization by impugning negativity due to lack of elections, one must remember that this is not a Political Party. One can say with certainty, that the Elite better not underestimate his leadership and the respect he garners throughout the UDD. To try and discount him, they are attempting to diminish a major Political figure within the Pro-Democracy Movement....They do so at their own endangerment should they persist in their anti-democratic ways.

"About 6,000 red shirts gathered at Ayutthaya's provincial stadium..."

Yeah right.....Consider the source when reading this.

I won't get into a numbers game, but from those who were there, there is talk from those who were there, that there was not even room to sit anywhere, never mind the mass outside the main venue.

The anti-UDD/PTP media is playing the same game they did during the build-up of anti-coup forces after 2006 and before 2010 R'song. Both ignoring the huge build-up of pro-Democracy and Anti-coup forces and rallies, and grossly under-reporting them, as in above quote.

Then when the Movement hit Bangkok, there was feigned surprise by the media, and genuine surprise by those who believe what they were told.

That is dangerous however, as those who support the Elite, have no idea what they are up against, until it is too late. The PAD-Dem rank-and-file in their support of endeavors to eliminate another elected Govt, and avoiding parliament by exercising Opposition through their user-friendly judiciary and Agencies, underestimate the pro-Democracy forces at their own peril.

Thailand: “Mass” Pro-Government Rally is a Mass Flop (nsnbc international excerpts, 15 Mar. 2014)

Read the full article at: http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/15/thailand-mass-pro-government-rally-mass-flop/

I wouldn't ba at all surprised if the support is dropping but that article does seem a bit over the top and one sided.

"I wouldn't ba at all surprised if the support is dropping..." (for UDD/Red Shirts)

Why would you say that? What possible evidence is there to support such a conclusion, when exactly the opposite is happening, in the wake of Amart anti-democrats trying to steal another election....Again.

Scratch below the media down-playing and diminishing of yesterday's Ayuthaya thing, and reality will set in, believe me.

Nothing has done more to galvanize support for the pro-Democrats, in the face of street violence, gratuitous explosions and current attempts to advance coup-mongering via their agencies and judiciary. Their obvious attempts to avoid Parliament where the voters have put them in their place, is well-known.

PAD-Dem's repetitious mantra and agenda of hopeful rhetoric in this regard, flying in the face of reality, seems obvious to me.....It smacks of desperate "Please let it be so" bleatings, and then another electoral results smacks them.

Reality always trumps agenized rhetoric.

Now that's your problem, you take so much time to produce these lengthy posts with all the clever words to make it look like you've got something important to say when all the time it could be summed up in a couple of lines that you don't have time to properly read the post you're replying to. Let's be honest it wasn't a long post either as I was in a hurry as can be seen by the spelling mistake.

Let me try to explain my 24 words to you. I didn't say the support was dropping or that there was any evidence for that. What I said was I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

Most governments lose support along the way because they can never deliver everything people want or expect so the support goes down. I'm sure there were some who were honestly expecting to be rich by now but most will understand that's not possible. Add to that the fact that the fact that a lot of farmers (their core support) haven't been paid and it wouldn't be unusual to find some of them drifting away. It doesn't mean they would vote Democrat or even that they wouldn't vote PTP but they may not be so keen to go travelling around the country.

I also pointed out that I thought the article in the link was rather one sided. That's to say it was biased against the redshirts.

One quick tip for you. Try reading the posts by Fab4 and Geriatrickid. I often don't agree with them and sometimes they talk complete rubbish but mostly they talk about simple facts which add something to the debate. Yours, whilst occasionally making a valid point are largely just one sided waffle.

[Old Man River]

Wonder if Jatuporn was elected democratically ?

He was elected with a total of 39% of the votes. Voter turnout was 75%, with 39% going to Jatuporn, 9% going to candidate #2, 8% to candidate #3 and 44% no votes. According to the UDD propaganda minister, he now has the mandate of the people to do anything he wants as such a huge majority of the people voted for him.

During his victory parade later that day, Jatuporn was ecstatic over the win and laid it at the door of his fiery speeches from on stage in 2010 calling for the burning of Bangkok by "the people". He explained that this one statement alone has enamored him to the people a great deal as they don't like the people in Bangkok very much, and they wish to go back and try again very soon as they didn't do a very good job of it last time they tried.

Thida was unavailable for comment but sends her best wishes to Jatuporn from her luxury retirement villa in Cambodia, surrounded by her faithful Communist servants.

Do you have a link for this? It would be an interesting read.

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[Donnie Brasco]

Big red balls, end up flat red balls under the tracks of a military tank. So let's just see how big his red balls are hidden behind and well protected by his paid supporters.

Please lay off this simplistic "behind the scenes supporters" jive.

Chatuporn and Suthep, the mouthpieces for the radical elements of either side have all kinds of invisible hands shoved into their tighty whities.

Who won the majority vote ?

Whose coalition ran the gov't ?

Sure, they REALLY screwed up the country but WHAT ELSE is new ?

The "reforms" that Suthep outlined amounted to nothing less than a return to privilege.

And every low rent farang in the city and every Pak Tai doofus who was willing to sleep in an intersection tried for a free ride on that pedigree bus. The wheels will fall off that old beater before the AEC opening ceremony.

Hold ANOTHER election.

Or scrap the notion of ONE MAN / ONE VOTE and just let the Bangkok oligarchs run the show.

But don't piss on our shoes and tell us it's a special kind of rain we have in Thailand.

Time to call a spade a spade, n'est-ce pas ?

"Sometimes, 'fuggedabowdit' just means fuggedabowdit."

What's your point?

Sorry. Can't help you there, scorecard.

*sigh* Pygmalianism . . . . . . . . . . just too damned much work for an almost imperceptible reward ;-)

"Sometimes, 'fuggedabowdit' just means fuggedabowdit."

Edited March 16, 2014 by Donnie Brasco

[Tatsujin]

Wonder if Jatuporn was elected democratically ?

He was elected with a total of 39% of the votes. Voter turnout was 75%, with 39% going to Jatuporn, 9% going to candidate #2, 8% to candidate #3 and 44% no votes. According to the UDD propaganda minister, he now has the mandate of the people to do anything he wants as such a huge majority of the people voted for him.

During his victory parade later that day, Jatuporn was ecstatic over the win and laid it at the door of his fiery speeches from on stage in 2010 calling for the burning of Bangkok by "the people". He explained that this one statement alone has enamored him to the people a great deal as they don't like the people in Bangkok very much, and they wish to go back and try again very soon as they didn't do a very good job of it last time they tried.

Thida was unavailable for comment but sends her best wishes to Jatuporn from her luxury retirement villa in Cambodia, surrounded by her faithful Communist servants.

Do you have a link for this? It would be an interesting read.

Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand

Sorry. It was a satirical post.

[Donnie Brasco]

Big red balls, end up flat red balls under the tracks of a military tank. So let's just see how big his red balls are hidden behind and well protected by his paid supporters.

Please lay off this simplistic "behind the scenes supporters" jive.

Chatuporn and Suthep, the mouthpieces for the radical elements of either side have all kinds of invisible hands shoved into their tighty whities.

Who won the majority vote ?

Whose coalition ran the gov't ?

Sure, they REALLY screwed up the country but WHAT ELSE is new ?

The "reforms" that Suthep outlined amounted to nothing less than a return to privilege.

And every low rent farang in the city and every Pak Tai doofus who was willing to sleep in an intersection tried for a free ride on that pedigree bus. The wheels will fall off that old beater before the AEC opening ceremony.

Hold ANOTHER election.

Or scrap the notion of ONE MAN / ONE VOTE and just let the Bangkok oligarchs run the show.

But don't piss on our shoes and tell us it's a special kind of rain we have in Thailand.

Time to call a spade a spade, n'est-ce pas ?

"Sometimes, 'fuggedabowdit' just means fuggedabowdit."

work that b*****t out if you can.

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S-s-s-s-okay there kingalfred, we'll just move you on into the next grade with the rest of the class so you won't upset with a lot of new faces next term.

"Sometimes, 'fuggedabowdit' just means fuggedabowdit."

[AleG]

What would an election prove? Do the red shirts have their own party?

What am I? On Mars?

red shirt = PTP

yellow shirt = Democrat

No?

The PAD (Yellow Shirts) campaingned against the Democracts in the 2010 election, just goes to show how little you know.

[bangon04]

You can forget about peace or compromise with this nut in charge.

Sent from somewhere in the Pacific

Isn't he wanted for anything at all?? No court appearances pending?? No charges??

Amazing Thailand.

[SheungWan]

What am I? On Mars?

red shirt = PTP

yellow shirt = Democrat

No?

It would appear that you are on the Red Planet indeed.

[JAG]

So, if I can sum up the last 15 or so pages:

Jutaporn is a gobby little so and so. (I'll run with that). He stands accused of being a terrorist.

Therefore all who support Pheu Thai, for whatever reason, are supporting terrorism.

Therefore they must not be allowed the opportunity to vote for Pheu Thai.

Therefore let us hand the country over to a dictatorship.

Extraordinarily simple really.

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Edited March 16, 2014 by JAG

[rametindallas]

Can Suthep remind us which one is the site of the great uprising of the people??

According to msnbc, the top photo is of the recent Ayuthaya Nation-wide Red Shirt Rally that had an estimated 1,500 attendees.

http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/15/thailand-mass-pro-government-rally-mass-flop/

You might want to check your sources better before you embarrass yourself even more.

[MGP]

"Jatuporn new UDD chief"

Jatuporn has effectively been the leader anyway, with Thida being a very good spokesperson.....It is only natural that Jatuporn take over, now that the Elite are trying to complete their plan to eliminate another elected Govt., via their agencies, etc.

Some of the derogatory comments made about Jatuporn in above Posts, perhaps reflect an underlying fear by PAD-Dem's. that they are up against formidable forces and Opposition now, unlike in 2006.

Jatuporn has massive support within the pro-Democracy Movement. In trying to denigrate the organization by impugning negativity due to lack of elections, one must remember that this is not a Political Party. One can say with certainty, that the Elite better not underestimate his leadership and the respect he garners throughout the UDD. To try and discount him, they are attempting to diminish a major Political figure within the Pro-Democracy Movement....They do so at their own endangerment should they persist in their anti-democratic ways.

"About 6,000 red shirts gathered at Ayutthaya's provincial stadium..."

Yeah right.....Consider the source when reading this.

I won't get into a numbers game, but from those who were there, there is talk from those who were there, that there was not even room to sit anywhere, never mind the mass outside the main venue.

The anti-UDD/PTP media is playing the same game they did during the build-up of anti-coup forces after 2006 and before 2010 R'song. Both ignoring the huge build-up of pro-Democracy and Anti-coup forces and rallies, and grossly under-reporting them, as in above quote.

Then when the Movement hit Bangkok, there was feigned surprise by the media, and genuine surprise by those who believe what they were told.

That is dangerous however, as those who support the Elite, have no idea what they are up against, until it is too late. The PAD-Dem rank-and-file in their support of endeavors to eliminate another elected Govt, and avoiding parliament by exercising Opposition through their user-friendly judiciary and Agencies, underestimate the pro-Democracy forces at their own peril.

Dear camarada Fryslan,

You make a lot of use of the word "elites". First of all, it would be very interesting if you could define exactly who are those "elites". Are you thinking about unpaid rice farmers?, middle class tax-payers?, students?, simple and ordinary people disgusted with corruption and abuse of power?, rubber farmers? Entrepreneurs? Investors? big business owners? small business owners? Army or Police Special Elites?... Who are you thinking about?? And second: please, give us an example of a country that you love where there are no such "elites" that you dislike. Perhaps North Korea?

Thank You

Dear Camarada Fryslan,

Before we continue the discussion, it would be very important that you define your concept of elites, and identify exactly who they are. Otherwise the discussion with you is meaningless, because we may be misguided by mistakenly guessing who are you talking about.

e.g.: my salary in Bangkok is higher than the income of an average upcountry Thai, and I spend a lot of money in high-end audiophile gear. Am I considered an undesirable elite for you?

Thank You.

Edited March 17, 2014 by MGP

[whybother]

"What possible evidence is there to support such a conclusion, when exactly the opposite is happening,"

Where is the evidence to support that "exactly the opposite is happening"?

Wouldn't it be great if there was an election and we could really see what the current state of affairs is regarding red vs yellow supporter numbers.

Then again, maybe we can just assume that the side with the least support is the side most afraid of elections.

Wonder who that could be?

What would an election prove? Do the red shirts have their own party?

What am I? On Mars?

red shirt = PTP

yellow shirt = Democrat

No?

No.

The yellow shirts have their own party and campaigned for a "no" vote in the 2011 election. Most people that vote for the Democrats are not yellow shirts.

Not all PTP supporters are red shirts. So even if PTP got a large percentage of the vote, that doesn't say anything about the support of the red shirts.

[GeorgeO]

About 6,000 red shirts gathered at Ayutthaya's provincial tadium yesterday ...+ 1,277 police officers

Correction ... about 6,000 red shirts gathered at Ayutthaya's provincial stadium yesterday, of which 1,277 were police officers...!

[Mackie]

You've got to pity some red shirt supporters on this forum. As deluded as it gets. Firstly, this event was planned for months, with all that money and logistics made available to them (Tax payer money most likely), less than 6,000 people gathered. What an utter embarrassment for the whole movement considering that red shirt leaders were making grand announcements of at least 200,000 people turning up. Get some perspective people. It was an abysmal failure by any standards.

If you were needed an example of a lunatic running the asylum this is the one. Jatuporn new UDD chief.

Edited March 17, 2014 by Mackie

[rametindallas]

Difference being the UDD is a movement formed from the people wheras the PAD/PDRC are formed and financed from the pockets of thai big business (elites) as we know, supported by tte hi-so bangkokians and with an army of paid southern hooligans and street people.

Why do you want to lie to the nice people on this forum? The difference being the PDRC is a movement formed from the people of Bangkok and the South, whereas the UDD are formed and financed from the pockets of Dr. Thaksin Shinawatra as we know, supported by some propagandized, brain-washed people in the N and NE.