Jatuporn new UDD chief

[hyperdimension]

"Jatuporn new UDD chief"

Jatuporn has effectively been the leader anyway, with Thida being a very good spokesperson.....It is only natural that Jatuporn take over, now that the Elite are trying to complete their plan to eliminate another elected Govt., via their agencies, etc.

Some of the derogatory comments made about Jatuporn in above Posts, perhaps reflect an underlying fear by PAD-Dem's. that they are up against formidable forces and Opposition now, unlike in 2006.

Jatuporn has massive support within the pro-Democracy Movement. In trying to denigrate the organization by impugning negativity due to lack of elections, one must remember that this is not a Political Party. One can say with certainty, that the Elite better not underestimate his leadership and the respect he garners throughout the UDD. To try and discount him, they are attempting to diminish a major Political figure within the Pro-Democracy Movement....They do so at their own endangerment should they persist in their anti-democratic ways.

"About 6,000 red shirts gathered at Ayutthaya's provincial stadium..."

Yeah right.....Consider the source when reading this.

I won't get into a numbers game, but from those who were there, there is talk from those who were there, that there was not even room to sit anywhere, never mind the mass outside the main venue.

The anti-UDD/PTP media is playing the same game they did during the build-up of anti-coup forces after 2006 and before 2010 R'song. Both ignoring the huge build-up of pro-Democracy and Anti-coup forces and rallies, and grossly under-reporting them, as in above quote.

Then when the Movement hit Bangkok, there was feigned surprise by the media, and genuine surprise by those who believe what they were told.

That is dangerous however, as those who support the Elite, have no idea what they are up against, until it is too late. The PAD-Dem rank-and-file in their support of endeavors to eliminate another elected Govt, and avoiding parliament by exercising Opposition through their user-friendly judiciary and Agencies, underestimate the pro-Democracy forces at their own peril.

Lately I have become somewhat of fan of your posts. I like to solve puzzles, and your contributions have provided me with puzzlement par excellence. A onetime reading of one of your paragraphs is just not enough. For example: "In trying to denigrate the organization by impugning negativity due to lack of elections, one must remember that this is not a Political Party..."

Rarely have I encountered a more convoluted way of trying to convey meaning, and so far a big majority of your post have delivered just that. I wonder sometimes if you google synonyms at the same time you compose your works of art, and then just go with the most sophisticated (in your mind) looking one? Doesn't matter, at any rate keep it going, it keeps me giggling...

He's a reincarnation of banned member CalgaryII. His unnecessarily convoluted writing style is an attempt to appear intellectually superior and to make up for shortfalls in real substance.

[rametindallas]

Thailand: “Mass” Pro-Government Rally is a Mass Flop (nsnbc international excerpts, 15 Mar. 2014)

Read the full article at: http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/15/thailand-mass-pro-government-rally-mass-flop/

I wouldn't ba at all surprised if the support is dropping but that article does seem a bit over the top and one sided.

"I wouldn't ba at all surprised if the support is dropping..." (for UDD/Red Shirts)

Why would you say that? What possible evidence is there to support such a conclusion, when exactly the opposite is happening, in the wake of Amart anti-democrats trying to steal another election....Again.

Scratch below the media down-playing and diminishing of yesterday's Ayuthaya thing, and reality will set in, believe me.

Nothing has done more to galvanize support for the pro-Democrats, in the face of street violence, gratuitous explosions and current attempts to advance coup-mongering via their agencies and judiciary. Their obvious attempts to avoid Parliament where the voters have put them in their place, is well-known.

PAD-Dem's repetitious mantra and agenda of hopeful rhetoric in this regard, flying in the face of reality, seems obvious to me.....It smacks of desperate "Please let it be so" bleatings, and then another electoral results smacks them.

Reality always trumps agenized rhetoric.

Now that's your problem, you take so much time to produce these lengthy posts with all the clever words to make it look like you've got something important to say when all the time it could be summed up in a couple of lines that you don't have time to properly read the post you're replying to. Let's be honest it wasn't a long post either as I was in a hurry as can be seen by the spelling mistake.

Let me try to explain my 24 words to you. I didn't say the support was dropping or that there was any evidence for that. What I said was I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

Most governments lose support along the way because they can never deliver everything people want or expect so the support goes down. I'm sure there were some who were honestly expecting to be rich by now but most will understand that's not possible. Add to that the fact that the fact that a lot of farmers (their core support) haven't been paid and it wouldn't be unusual to find some of them drifting away. It doesn't mean they would vote Democrat or even that they wouldn't vote PTP but they may not be so keen to go travelling around the country.

I also pointed out that I thought the article in the link was rather one sided. That's to say it was biased against the redshirts.

One quick tip for you. Try reading the posts by Fab4 and Geriatrickid. I often don't agree with them and sometimes they talk complete rubbish but mostly they talk about simple facts which add something to the debate. Yours, whilst occasionally making a valid point are largely just one sided waffle.

Face it, kimamey, you are just not radical enough for him. You are sympathetic to his viewpoint but that is not enough. He does not know how to gain allies because he sees enemies everywhere. You made a reasonable remark and Fb decided you were the enemy.

[SICHONSTEVE]

What would an election prove? Do the red shirts have their own party?

What am I? On Mars?

red shirt = PTP

yellow shirt = Democrat

No?

The PAD (Yellow Shirts) campaingned against the Democracts in the 2010 election, just goes to show how little you know.

Not sure they campaigned against them but they certainly didn't campaign for or with them!!!

[fab4]

Thailand: “Mass” Pro-Government Rally is a Mass Flop (nsnbc international excerpts, 15 Mar. 2014)

Read the full article at: http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/15/thailand-mass-pro-government-rally-mass-flop/

Yes interesting reading, completely non partisan . On closer investigation, it's origin is the alt thai news network blog. I thought the writing "style" was familiar, although it's unsigned, it's got cartalucci dna all the way through it, that's for sure. Next action - ignore.

Edited March 17, 2014 by fab4

[SICHONSTEVE]

Thailand: “Mass” Pro-Government Rally is a Mass Flop (nsnbc international excerpts, 15 Mar. 2014)

Read the full article at: http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/15/thailand-mass-pro-government-rally-mass-flop/

Yes interesting reading, completely non partisan . On closer investigation, it's origin is the alt thai news network blog. I thought the writing "style" was familiar, although it's unsigned, it's got cartalucci dna all the way through it, that's for sure. Next action - ignore.

There is no argument that this article is anti-government, but in a similar vein, there is no argument that it appears factually based (with a little dramatisation and exaggeration at times) ie: the number of people murdered was nearer 2,500 than the 3,000 stated, as I understand.

[mikemac]

Elite - the choice or best of anything considered collectively, as of a group or class of persons.

That settles it, the redshirts are definitely not the elite !

Are you sure???

OK, the guy in the picture above is one of the more sophisticated of the reds, but the rest of them are scum.

[kimamey]

I wouldn't ba at all surprised if the support is dropping but that article does seem a bit over the top and one sided.

"I wouldn't ba at all surprised if the support is dropping..." (for UDD/Red Shirts)

Why would you say that? What possible evidence is there to support such a conclusion, when exactly the opposite is happening, in the wake of Amart anti-democrats trying to steal another election....Again.

Scratch below the media down-playing and diminishing of yesterday's Ayuthaya thing, and reality will set in, believe me.

Nothing has done more to galvanize support for the pro-Democrats, in the face of street violence, gratuitous explosions and current attempts to advance coup-mongering via their agencies and judiciary. Their obvious attempts to avoid Parliament where the voters have put them in their place, is well-known.

PAD-Dem's repetitious mantra and agenda of hopeful rhetoric in this regard, flying in the face of reality, seems obvious to me.....It smacks of desperate "Please let it be so" bleatings, and then another electoral results smacks them.

Reality always trumps agenized rhetoric.

Now that's your problem, you take so much time to produce these lengthy posts with all the clever words to make it look like you've got something important to say when all the time it could be summed up in a couple of lines that you don't have time to properly read the post you're replying to. Let's be honest it wasn't a long post either as I was in a hurry as can be seen by the spelling mistake.

Let me try to explain my 24 words to you. I didn't say the support was dropping or that there was any evidence for that. What I said was I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

Most governments lose support along the way because they can never deliver everything people want or expect so the support goes down. I'm sure there were some who were honestly expecting to be rich by now but most will understand that's not possible. Add to that the fact that the fact that a lot of farmers (their core support) haven't been paid and it wouldn't be unusual to find some of them drifting away. It doesn't mean they would vote Democrat or even that they wouldn't vote PTP but they may not be so keen to go travelling around the country.

I also pointed out that I thought the article in the link was rather one sided. That's to say it was biased against the redshirts.

One quick tip for you. Try reading the posts by Fab4 and Geriatrickid. I often don't agree with them and sometimes they talk complete rubbish but mostly they talk about simple facts which add something to the debate. Yours, whilst occasionally making a valid point are largely just one sided waffle.

Face it, kimamey, you are just not radical enough for him. You are sympathetic to his viewpoint but that is not enough. He does not know how to gain allies because he sees enemies everywhere. You made a reasonable remark and Fb decided you were the enemy.

Thanks for that.

I will admit to being against the PTP government but I also understand that things aren't all black and white. Well they aren't to me anyway but I see so many that are totally one side or the other. FB unfortunately has this tendency to try and sound intelligent without grasping any facts that don't suit him which is why sometimes he says something useful. I mentioned Fab 4 and GK because their posts tend to be well written and often have actual facts in them.

I haven't seen a reply from FB yet. I wonder if I'll get one? Maybe but i won't hold my breath.

Just for balance there is the same bias on both sides.

[mikemac]

Now that's your problem, you take so much time to produce these lengthy posts with all the clever words to make it look like you've got something important to say when all the time it could be summed up in a couple of lines that you don't have time to properly read the post you're replying to. Let's be honest it wasn't a long post either as I was in a hurry as can be seen by the spelling mistake.

Let me try to explain my 24 words to you. I didn't say the support was dropping or that there was any evidence for that. What I said was I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

Most governments lose support along the way because they can never deliver everything people want or expect so the support goes down. I'm sure there were some who were honestly expecting to be rich by now but most will understand that's not possible. Add to that the fact that the fact that a lot of farmers (their core support) haven't been paid and it wouldn't be unusual to find some of them drifting away. It doesn't mean they would vote Democrat or even that they wouldn't vote PTP but they may not be so keen to go travelling around the country.

I also pointed out that I thought the article in the link was rather one sided. That's to say it was biased against the redshirts.

One quick tip for you. Try reading the posts by Fab4 and Geriatrickid. I often don't agree with them and sometimes they talk complete rubbish but mostly they talk about simple facts which add something to the debate. Yours, whilst occasionally making a valid point are largely just one sided waffle.

I enjoy reading your posts kimamey, and usually agree with what you have to say, but have to disagree with the statement you made in the last paragraph.

GK's comments are nearly all wind-ups and Fabio's are 110% pure troll.

Mind you, I do enjoy reading GK's posts.