Popular Post yankee99 Posted March 16, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2014 I originally thought when they discounted the cbr1000rr at the motor show it was to clear inventory but I guess I was wrong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup3r1or Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Awesome news now much more attractive price. Too bad i dont see these around here at all, only very old models Sent from my HTC One using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubberSideDown Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Still waiting for the definitive answer on derestriction- if it's an ECU flash, no problem, but if it's done through smaller throttle bodies or something else invasive, it's a bit of a PITA and a warranty breaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Excellent news, I guessed this was coming, hopefully Yamaha and Suzuki will follow suit - both their litre bikes are around the 800k mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee99 Posted March 17, 2014 Author Share Posted March 17, 2014 Still waiting for the definitive answer on derestriction- if it's an ECU flash, no problem, but if it's done through smaller throttle bodies or something else invasive, it's a bit of a PITA and a warranty breaker. Its a combination of all three exhaust, ecu and throttle plates. No flash required and it takes a few hours to complete but totally reversible. Honestly between paying 800,000+++ for a unrestricted suzuki or yamaha this is a no brainer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll2 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Strange. Prices at bangkok bigwing is at 800 k thb still last weekend. If these are permanent prices now, i can say a very good deal for a masterpiece. But consider the 60 k thb you need to cough to de restrict it so price is actually 700 k thb for a full power cbr1000rr. Still not bad! Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Edited March 17, 2014 by ll2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee99 Posted March 17, 2014 Author Share Posted March 17, 2014 Strange. Prices at bangkok bigwing is at 800 k thb still last weekend. If these are permanent prices now, i can say a very good deal for a masterpiece. But consider the 60 k thb you need to cough to de restrict it so price is actually 700 k thb for a full power cbr1000rr. Still not bad! Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Shouldn't cost anywhere near 60k unless you adding in a overpriced aftermarket exhaust. But what do I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee99 Posted March 17, 2014 Author Share Posted March 17, 2014 Strange. Prices at bangkok bigwing is at 800 k thb still last weekend. If these are permanent prices now, i can say a very good deal for a masterpiece. But consider the 60 k thb you need to cough to de restrict it so price is actually 700 k thb for a full power cbr1000rr. Still not bad! Sent from my GT-N7100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app I was aware of these prices a month ago but didnt post as they weren't in writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 These drops are all good for new buyers. I imagine it might sting a little for those who paid the higher price & were thinking of selling/changing bikes though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 These drops are all good for new buyers. I imagine it might sting a little for those who paid the higher price & were thinking of selling/changing bikes though. Not too good for the grey importers either. 59Bike currently have a 5 year old GSXR1000 advertised for more than the cost of a brand new CBR1000RR. That's gotta be a tough sell. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H1w4yR1da Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 When I compare the price of my L3 GSXR to the new Ducatis (which I used to ride), I feel like I have a bargain. And 700k for an unrestricted CBR1000rr is really good. Has anyone gone this route yet? Suzuki GSX-R1000 L3 182 hp in-line 4 Superbike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee99 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 If this comes in around 600k I might have to get it. http://issuu.com/benjaminlindley/docs/pb_march_month_in_bikes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paz Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 The brochure posted says 635K, so you are in there already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hili Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 If this comes in around 600k I might have to get it.http://issuu.com/benjaminlindley/docs/pb_march_month_in_bikes the r1 needed a facelift for a long time already... finally its looking right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee99 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 If this comes in around 600k I might have to get it.http://issuu.com/benjaminlindley/docs/pb_march_month_in_bikes the r1 needed a facelift for a long time already... finally its looking right. I like the idea of mapping via my smart phone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H1w4yR1da Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 200hp? For the street? Heck, go for it! But I rarely get into 6th gear or anywhere near the rev limiter on mine. But when I do....."see that smile on my face baby? Ear to ear." Also glad to see the Jap inline 4's finally starting to look as good as the pasta rockets. Suzuki GSX-R1000 L3 182 hp in-line 4 Superbike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) If this comes in around 600k I might have to get it.http://issuu.com/benjaminlindley/docs/pb_march_month_in_bikes the r1 needed a facelift for a long time already... finally its looking right. I like the idea of mapping via my smart phone. You know this is something I have wished for a long time now. It is dependent on someone taking any of the dynojet based programs like Powercommander,FuelMoto, Two Brothers etc use & porting it to Android, or IOS etc Right now it seems only on PC so a bit of a hassle Although my Fuelmoto EFI holds 10 maps it is marked for three so I only ever load three Meaning the dial shows 3 locations. If you load more you need to count clicks & the clicks are soft But every time I want to load 3 new maps that entails bringing my laptop to the bike. Of course once sorted 3 maps is plenty enough Yet if they would port that dang program to Android I could use my phone or my tablet both of which are much smaller. Of course wireless would be best of all using something like AirDroid so you need to input the matching password to connect & no wire Edited March 18, 2014 by mania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll2 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 If this comes in around 600k I might have to get it.http://issuu.com/benjaminlindley/docs/pb_march_month_in_bikes the r1 needed a facelift for a long time already... finally its looking right. I like the idea of mapping via my smart phone. You know this is something I have wished for a long time now. It is dependent on someone taking any of the dynojet based programs like Powercommander,FuelMoto, Two Brothers etc use & porting it to Android, or IOS etc Right now it seems only on PC so a bit of a hassle Although my Fuelmoto EFI holds 10 maps it is marked for three so I only ever load three Meaning the dial shows 3 locations. If you load more you need to count clicks & the clicks are soft But every time I want to load 3 new maps that entails bringing my laptop to the bike. Of course once sorted 3 maps is plenty enough Yet if they would port that dang program to Android I could use my phone or my tablet both of which are much smaller. Of course wireless would be best of all using something like AirDroid so you need to input the matching password to connect & no wire i am waiting this to be mainstream too. but all i know one of the electric bike makers has this system now. dont remember the maker now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino28 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 How many horse power have the Thai version at the moment without modification ? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll2 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 How many horse power have the Thai version at the moment without modification ? Thank you 120 hp at the crank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hili Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 How many horse power have the Thai version at the moment without modification ? Thank you 120 hp at the crank. Wow that sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm jeff Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Thats about 105 BHP at the wheel. Thats why they are so cheap. Spend a bit more and get a proper 185 BHP superbike. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
submaniac Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Yeah, you know you have a problem when the unrestricted 600cc version of the bike makes more power than the 1000cc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm jeff Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Not sure why Honda does this if it wants to "compete" with the big boys that have over 180 BHP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll2 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Not sure why Honda does this if it wants to "compete" with the big boys that have over 180 BHP. it is still a mystery! Honda guys say because of emission tests - than how come yamaha r1 or honda vfr1200 here is full spec?! But i think it is just because of getting away from bad publicity as sure there might be some dead people trying to ride such a powerful bike. Honda is careful on these kind of things. I cant see any other reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
submaniac Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I think it is Honda "dumping" its Japanese market spec bikes in Thailand. Japan has some strange laws, and alot of what Honda did in the past was related to satisfying Japanese motorcycle laws. Japan had a restricted licensing system, where a special license was required for bikes over 400cc. Hence that is why you see alot of Honda (and other Japanese) 400cc bikes in Thailand. Bikes under 250cc were exempt from a certain road tax...hence you had the NSR250 and the (original 4 cyl) CBR250RR, which in its day, cost the same as a 400cc/600cc bike. In Japan, an unrestricted 1000cc bike is only for export (otherwise a 1000cc bike is limited to the required maximum hp which I believe is 120hp). So to have an unrestricted bike in Japan you have to "export" it from Japan, then "import" it back. Otherwise you are stuck with the neutered bike. What you are seeing imported into Thailand are the bikes that are made for the specs of the Japanese domestic market. It was specially de-tuned to meet Japanese law. This wasn't an emissions thing, this is a "we have to make it lose power to meet Japanese law" kind of thing. This is also why it will be a pain in the ass to deristrict it. It's not just the ecu. Honda specifically made the bike for Japan, so it's also the gearing, the throttle bodies, the exhaust...alot of stuff is different from the ROW CBR1000RR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll2 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I think it is Honda "dumping" its Japanese market spec bikes in Thailand. Japan has some strange laws, and alot of what Honda did in the past was related to satisfying Japanese motorcycle laws. Japan had a restricted licensing system, where a special license was required for bikes over 400cc. Hence that is why you see alot of Honda (and other Japanese) 400cc bikes in Thailand. Bikes under 250cc were exempt from a certain road tax...hence you had the NSR250 and the (original 4 cyl) CBR250RR, which in its day, cost the same as a 400cc/600cc bike. In Japan, an unrestricted 1000cc bike is only for export (otherwise a 1000cc bike is limited to the required maximum hp which I believe is 120hp). So to have an unrestricted bike in Japan you have to "export" it from Japan, then "import" it back. Otherwise you are stuck with the neutered bike. What you are seeing imported into Thailand are the bikes that are made for the specs of the Japanese domestic market. It was specially de-tuned to meet Japanese law. This wasn't an emissions thing, this is a "we have to make it lose power to meet Japanese law" kind of thing. This is also why it will be a pain in the ass to deristrict it. It's not just the ecu. Honda specifically made the bike for Japan, so it's also the gearing, the throttle bodies, the exhaust...alot of stuff is different from the ROW CBR1000RR. yes, we know that but what is the reason? cbr1000rr is coming out of the same factory and exported all over that world and i am sure restricting a bike costs more than exporting it from the line unrestricted. and also, gearbox of Thai model and Japanese one are not the same it looks like. Japanese: 変速機形式 常時噛合式6段リターン 変速比 1速 2.285 2速 1.777 3速 1.500 4速 1.333 5速 1.214 6速 1.137 And Thai and European Spec attached. But, i am checking now bigwing website and it states same gear ratios of Japanese spec! so confused on this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I agree with submaniac, it certainly makes more sense than the emissions story seeing as everyone else (and actually Honda themselves) can sell unrestricted bikes 1000cc and above (R1, GSXR1000, VFR1200, Hayabusa, ZX14R, Ninja 1000 etc.). These bikes can't sell in Japan due to the poor economy. Just selling off surplus stock cheap IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ll2 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) I agree with submaniac, it certainly makes more sense than the emissions story seeing as everyone else (and actually Honda themselves) can sell unrestricted bikes 1000cc and above (R1, GSXR1000, VFR1200, Hayabusa, ZX14R, Ninja 1000 etc.). These bikes can't sell in Japan due to the poor economy. Just selling off surplus stock cheap IMO. but, they are selling new 2014 - 2015 restricted models now in Thailand - same as Japan - and sure they were available recently at the same time in Japan maybe a couple of months before Thailand so where is this surplus stock coming? New model was released recently. These are big companies so they estimate their surplus etc and produce accordingly. If they were selling 2013 restricted models in Thailand from Japan now, i can understand what submaniac says. Edited August 13, 2014 by ll2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubberSideDown Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The price makes me think they're not dumping bikes, but have instead worked out some sort of deal with the Thai government, perhaps based on the lower power output (in the same way that cars are taxed according to power and engine displacement). The CBR1000RR is nearly 460K baht (1,468,800 yen) in Japan- with current import taxes, they should go for about 775K in LOS, which is in line with the literbikes from other Japanese manufacturers. I doubt they're bringing them in just to make no profit or even take a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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