Abhisit calls on Yingluck, Suthep to hold talks on live TV

[Skywalker69]

Bring it on!

Yingluck v Suthep live on TV !

What a brilliant show that would be but who would be the moderator ?

Chalerm? :-D

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[rametindallas]

Abhisit calls on Yingluck, Suthep to hold talks on live TV

Abhisit is a master troll calling for that to happen. It would be a train wreck for PTP. Suthep would destroy her with his debating experience and ruthless personality; Yingluck would be reduced to tears in no time. A much better, and serious, idea would be to match Suthep and Chalerm on TV. That would be a fair fight and worthy of pay-per-view rates. Abhisit is correct that televised debate would go a long way towards clarifying the issues. I would love to hear Suthep explain how his 'unelected council' would be constitutional and I would love to hear Chalerm defend the government's rice policy, flood policy, Infrastructure funding methods. Of course, the debate would have to be done before early afternoon; it wouldn't look good for Chalerm to be seen getting the 'shakes' because he missed his regular dose of 'ear medicine'.

[DirtFarmer]

Another un original idea from someone who is merely vying for air time.. injecting himself into the fray a day late and a dollar short.I can't believe that this guy cannot come up with anything original...oh wait yes I can...... he is posing for the international press now pure and simple...suggesting something that on the face appears moderate and an attempt ( though feeble) at getting both sides together... good for a couple of quick headlines...but he knew before he opened his mouth it wasn't going to happen... so for him... a perfect score and something safe to spew.. The issues don't need clarification.. they have been clarified ad nauseum... Suthep wants an un elected minority to feather the nest. She stands for the the existing protocol... exactly what Abhiset stood for when he was PM... what he supported up until he realized he couldn't win at the polls again...it would be absurd for her to engage in any kind of discussion with an insurrectionist hell bent on destroying the freedoms all Thais want and deserve... Let Abhiset challenge Jatuporn to a debate...that surely would wipe the snicker off his face./.Complete farce...

Edited March 25, 2014 by DirtFarmer

[Publicus]

Abhisit needs to go on television to explain himself to the Thai people and to the international community. Well, actually he tried that on the American global business network, CNBC and got only the political grief and personal rejection he rightly deserves. Abhisit is facing political perdition and he knows it, hence his desperate campaign to try to recover the star image he devilishly manipulated many people into but now has lost forever.

Abhisit knows he has very serious work to try to rehabilitate his gravely fallen wunderkind image both domestically and abroad. Everyone in the country and internationally, to include at the UN, know Abhisit has turned his back on democracy in Thailand in favor of street insurrection by some of his closest political allies, personal pals, reactionary financial and cultural interests.

Abhisit's political party, the Democrat party, has closely associated, allied, involved itself with the street insurrection and with the still anonymous and appointed "People's Council" of autocrats that would be anointed by oligarchs to create autocracy in the place of 1 person 1 vote democracy.

Abhisit did nothing to stop the violence against voters on election day, has never spoken out against a military coup, and continues to be dubious towards participating in another election. The debates he proposes will not happen and his appearance before the Senate committee the other day was his signature 100% fluff and puff.

Abhisit has only lost in general elections and now has cemented his position as a Thai feudalist who is and always was integrally at home among the old guard grouping that are determined to rob the country of its tenuous democracy. The blush had already gone off Abhisit's rose and now Abhisit is looking at a long political winter of his own making at home and abroad.

Abhisit needs a 'People's Council" because only they can recreate his reactionary political career.

[renaissanc]

Thaksin would never allow it to happen. It would stop his efforts to get home, which is what it's all about.

[ginjag]

Abhisit needs to go on television to explain himself to the Thai people and to the international community. Well, actually he tried that on the American global business network, CNBC and got only the political grief and personal rejection he rightly deserves. Abhisit is facing political perdition and he knows it, hence his desperate campaign to try to recover the star image he devilishly manipulated many people into but now has lost forever.

Abhisit knows he has very serious work to try to rehabilitate his gravely fallen wunderkind image both domestically and abroad. Everyone in the country and internationally, to include at the UN, know Abhisit has turned his back on democracy in Thailand in favor of street insurrection by some of his closest political allies, personal pals, reactionary financial and cultural interests.

Abhisit's political party, the Democrat party, has closely associated, allied, involved itself with the street insurrection and with the still anonymous and appointed "People's Council" of autocrats that would be anointed by oligarchs to create autocracy in the place of 1 person 1 vote democracy.

Abhisit did nothing to stop the violence against voters on election day, has never spoken out against a military coup, and continues to be dubious towards participating in another election. The debates he proposes will not happen and his appearance before the Senate committee the other day was his signature 100% fluff and puff.

Abhisit has only lost in general elections and now has cemented his position as a Thai feudalist who is and always was integrally at home among the old guard grouping that are determined to rob the country of its tenuous democracy. The blush had already gone off Abhisit's rose and now Abhisit is looking at a long political winter of his own making at home and abroad.

Abhisit needs a 'People's Council" because only they can recreate his reactionary political career.

All this time it took you to write a load of cobblers.

[binjalin]

pathetic Abhisit, the man who held sway over the cowardly Dems retreat from democracy, comes up with another 'sound bite' that only some TVF yellows will find at all interesting

we don't need TV debates - we need democracy - stop hiding Abhsit and try to lead your party by producing policies which the voters can support

you can run but you cannot HIDE

[Bluespunk]

Abhisit was a bit weak when he was in power, perhaps he's grown a pair.

Oh yeah, letting Suthep go out and protest for your aims and then telling him to go on TV takes massive cajones.

suthep's aims are his alone.

[northernjohn]

Lets make it interesting...

Suthep v Chalerm

MPFS_dueling_01.jpg

Well I have to admit it has a bit of humor in it. Black but I like that occasionally.

My question is if Chalerm won who would carry on the fight against corruption and urge for government reform?

[gabruce]

Smart man Abhisit. Distancing himself from the conflict and presenting the voice of reason happy in the knowledge that Yingluck couldn't tell you the 2 sides of a coin and that Suthep can talk for days

and such a brave leader to have , i cannot understand how this retard was ever PM , oh yea i forgot he was not elected .... what a pussy .....smart man ? <deleted> ? the reason behind all this trouble is you have two halfwits trying to pull down a democratically elected govt !!!

OF course, Yingluck wasn't elected either. She was appointed by the PTP elected MP's. Abhisit was appointed by the DP elected MP's. The same process. The difference of course is that for Abhisit, a bunch if MP's were impeached (or something similar), so it's not exactly the same. The point is that no one votes directly for who the Prime Minister will be. The Prime Minister is appointed by the MP's (sometimes a single party majority and sometimes a minority coalition). I also don't think it's even close to accurate to call Yingluck and Abhisit half-wits or retarded. My personal opinion is that Abhisit is more intelligent than Yingluck, however I have no evidence and have never met either of them.

[northernjohn]

Abhisit needs to go on television to explain himself to the Thai people and to the international community. Well, actually he tried that on the American global business network, CNBC and got only the political grief and personal rejection he rightly deserves. Abhisit is facing political perdition and he knows it, hence his desperate campaign to try to recover the star image he devilishly manipulated many people into but now has lost forever.

Abhisit knows he has very serious work to try to rehabilitate his gravely fallen wunderkind image both domestically and abroad. Everyone in the country and internationally, to include at the UN, know Abhisit has turned his back on democracy in Thailand in favor of street insurrection by some of his closest political allies, personal pals, reactionary financial and cultural interests.

Abhisit's political party, the Democrat party, has closely associated, allied, involved itself with the street insurrection and with the still anonymous and appointed "People's Council" of autocrats that would be anointed by oligarchs to create autocracy in the place of 1 person 1 vote democracy.

Abhisit did nothing to stop the violence against voters on election day, has never spoken out against a military coup, and continues to be dubious towards participating in another election. The debates he proposes will not happen and his appearance before the Senate committee the other day was his signature 100% fluff and puff.

Abhisit has only lost in general elections and now has cemented his position as a Thai feudalist who is and always was integrally at home among the old guard grouping that are determined to rob the country of its tenuous democracy. The blush had already gone off Abhisit's rose and now Abhisit is looking at a long political winter of his own making at home and abroad.

Abhisit needs a 'People's Council" because only they can recreate his reactionary political career.

[binjalin]

Abhisit needs to go on television to explain himself to the Thai people and to the international community. Well, actually he tried that on the American global business network, CNBC and got only the political grief and personal rejection he rightly deserves. Abhisit is facing political perdition and he knows it, hence his desperate campaign to try to recover the star image he devilishly manipulated many people into but now has lost forever.

Abhisit knows he has very serious work to try to rehabilitate his gravely fallen wunderkind image both domestically and abroad. Everyone in the country and internationally, to include at the UN, know Abhisit has turned his back on democracy in Thailand in favor of street insurrection by some of his closest political allies, personal pals, reactionary financial and cultural interests.

Abhisit's political party, the Democrat party, has closely associated, allied, involved itself with the street insurrection and with the still anonymous and appointed "People's Council" of autocrats that would be anointed by oligarchs to create autocracy in the place of 1 person 1 vote democracy.

Abhisit did nothing to stop the violence against voters on election day, has never spoken out against a military coup, and continues to be dubious towards participating in another election. The debates he proposes will not happen and his appearance before the Senate committee the other day was his signature 100% fluff and puff.

Abhisit has only lost in general elections and now has cemented his position as a Thai feudalist who is and always was integrally at home among the old guard grouping that are determined to rob the country of its tenuous democracy. The blush had already gone off Abhisit's rose and now Abhisit is looking at a long political winter of his own making at home and abroad.

Abhisit needs a 'People's Council" because only they can recreate his reactionary political career.

good post

the truth, as we all know, is that Abhsit set's himself low standards in democracy, truth and leadership... then FAILS to achieve them

[Bob12345]

A debate will not help since neither party is truly interested in reforms.

Yingluck wants minimal reforms so she can stay in power longer.

Suthep/Abhisit wants reforms so they can get in power.

Neither cares about what kind of reforms or how it will benefit the Thai people; they just want to be in power to have access to all the spoils.

[northernjohn]

Abhisit calls on Yingluck, Suthep to hold talks on live TV

Abhisit is a master troll calling for that to happen. It would be a train wreck for PTP. Suthep would destroy her with his debating experience and ruthless personality; Yingluck would be reduced to tears in no time. A much better, and serious, idea would be to match Suthep and Chalerm on TV. That would be a fair fight and worthy of pay-per-view rates. Abhisit is correct that televised debate would go a long way towards clarifying the issues. I would love to hear Suthep explain how his 'unelected council' would be constitutional and I would love to hear Chalerm defend the government's rice policy, flood policy, Infrastructure funding methods. Of course, the debate would have to be done before early afternoon; it wouldn't look good for Chalerm to be seen getting the 'shakes' because he missed his regular dose of 'ear medicine'.

Well several things Yingluck is the Prime Minister and if she can not defend her policies she has no business in the office. This would once and for all put an end to the PTP rein.

Secondly if it was Chalerm would he cut his head off first?

[gabruce]

pathetic Abhisit, the man who held sway over the cowardly Dems retreat from democracy, comes up with another 'sound bite' that only some TVF yellows will find at all interesting

we don't need TV debates - we need democracy - stop hiding Abhsit and try to lead your party by producing policies which the voters can support

you can run but you cannot HIDE

So you would rather the country do nothing and wait for some kind of civil war? Why not promote non-violent ways to get a dialogue going.

I for one do NOT want to see escalating violence.

I would agree that even suggesting a debate with Yingluck involved is pointless because I think her political handlers are of the opinion that it would be a disaster, no matter who she debated with. There are many reasons why she avoids Parliament and avoids talking about anything.

[phantomfiddler]

But the lady has never had (is incapable of) a live debate, and I believe to date has never been in one, amazing for a leader of even a third world country. She would burst into tears within the first round

[tim armstrong]

Abhisit was a bit weak when he was in power, perhaps he's grown a pair.

I don't agree. Abhisit was leading a coalition of 7 parties and holding a poison chalice. Unfortunately he was a bit too well educated for many politicians and voters who have a negative view of education and very limited knowledge of the rest of the world.

The prospects for change have never been better, IF both sides will talk to each other, but opinion is so divided. In the Feb. election 52 parties contested seats. There has to be a way of getting thais to see that minority viewpoints are acceptable in a democracy.

[SICHONSTEVE]

She already said she wouldn't do that. What wrong with Abhisit? A short memory or does he just like to hear himself talk?

She said she COULDN'T do it actually as she doesn't know the first thing about politics and cannot talk publicly as she is stupid when it comes to the subject.

Hardly the credentials of Prime Minister don't you think!!!

Abhisit is simply reminding the people of this and he should continue to do it until she has had enough of this sham appointment!!

[hyperdimension]

stop hiding Abhsit and try to lead your party by producing policies which the voters can support

Increase the minimum daily wage to 500 THB?

A free iPhone to every Thai citizen?

Unemployment benefit of 5000 THB per month?

It seems that the Democrat Party would have to resort to such policies in order to out-do Thaksin's parties' extremely attractive vote-garnering policies and get democratically elected into power. Should they go this route?

[rametindallas]

Abhisit calls on Yingluck, Suthep to hold talks on live TV

Abhisit is a master troll calling for that to happen. It would be a train wreck for PTP. Suthep would destroy her with his debating experience and ruthless personality; Yingluck would be reduced to tears in no time. A much better, and serious, idea would be to match Suthep and Chalerm on TV. That would be a fair fight and worthy of pay-per-view rates. Abhisit is correct that televised debate would go a long way towards clarifying the issues. I would love to hear Suthep explain how his 'unelected council' would be constitutional and I would love to hear Chalerm defend the government's rice policy, flood policy, Infrastructure funding methods. Of course, the debate would have to be done before early afternoon; it wouldn't look good for Chalerm to be seen getting the 'shakes' because he missed his regular dose of 'ear medicine'.

Well several things Yingluck is the Prime Minister and if she can not defend her policies she has no business in the office. This would once and for all put an end to the PTP rein.

Secondly if it was Chalerm would he cut his head off first?

Only a goofball would ever consider Ms Yingluck even remotely qualified for the post of PM. That is already widely known and we don't need a debate to prove that. If you want the debate to clarify the issues, get people to decide who has the best plan to bring Thailand forward out of this current mess, you will not accomplish that with a debate involving Ms Yingluck. All heat and no light. I would prefer a debate that did more than display, once again, Ms Yingluck's incompetence. That would be a non-debate.

So, who, on the PTP side would you have debate Suthep if not Chalerm?

[Baerboxer]

"Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva Tuesday called on caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and People's Democratic Reform Committee secretary general Suthep Thaugsuban to told talks on national reform live on TV"

Another anti-democrat suggestion from someone who is the leader of what is called a "Democrat Party".

So Suthep, representing electoral minority coup-mongers, gets to strut about the public space, at an equal level to someone representing the electoral majority.

Ridiculous.

Let him debate her, or whomever she selects to get down in the mud with him, in a Parliamentary debate.

And let Parliamentary rules dictate how that is done, considering a minority Opposition debating a majority governing party. Parliament has rules for such a thing.

AV's point quoted below, will be achieved when that Parliamentray session is broadcast live.

As he says, and I quote "will create confidence among the people and prevent the spread of rumours that cause both sides to attack each other"

But to put the leader of minority coup-mongers at the same level as an elected Prime Minister would be highly disrespectful to the voting majority, by diminshing the value of their vote....And it would not amuse them.

Maybe you should ask the public if they would like Suthep and Yinluck to a debate on TV, as I doubt PTP still has the voting majority- even if you want to continually spin this line.

They have never had the voting majority. Only in his mind. He keep repeating it like a mantra hoping it will become a reality.

He is beyond help.

[Eric Loh]

stop hiding Abhsit and try to lead your party by producing policies which the voters can support

Increase the minimum daily wage to 500 THB?

A free iPhone to every Thai citizen?

Unemployment benefit of 5000 THB per month?

It seems that the Democrat Party would have to resort to such policies in order to out-do Thaksin's parties' extremely attractive vote-garnering policies and get democratically elected into power. Should they go this route?

Should they go this route? Ahbisit has all the practices as he done all that in his tenure. Popular policies like cash handouts, increase civil servant salaries, subsidized diesel/LPG/electricty/bus/train, free milk, free education etc. Adopted Taksin 30B healthcare scheme, Village funds and SML scheme. All populist policies that caused government debt to rise and created -4.8% budget deficit (highest since Chuan's government ). Also poor economic policies that saw unemployent increased 63%. It was a disaster. Not to mention his failed rice guarantee scheme still under process for dereliction of duty by the NACC ???

[Publicus]

The best suggestion yet. Hold a referendum for proceeding with reform. Abhisit is right in saying that few trust that reform would ever follow an election. All we have to do is look to the last election to see that that really didn't pan out ! Abhisit has pointed out the common point between the two sides. PDRC want reform, and Pheu Thai " says " that they want reform. A referendum puts the public will to the test. Abhisit's suggestion of a televised debate between Yingluck and Suthep is not just window-dressing. His calls for dialogue between the two are becoming much more apparent. Abhisit is aware that talk is necessary, and he is also aware a referendum offers a democratic solution. Give Pheu Thai five minutes to shoot it down, however. They'll dream up all sorts of excuses. They'll call it unconstitutional, and they'll suggest Suthep debate Ko Tee. But at least Abhisit's call has made it into the public consciousness, and the more Pheu Thai takes us further into the Twilight Zone, the more sensible the suggestion will look.

It's about time the laggard Abhisit caught up with the prevailing view of the country that a referendum needs to be held on any "reforms" certain people have vaguely referenced.

In fact, the Senate committee that invited Abhisit needs to invite Suthep to present his "reforms" proposal to it and thereby to the public so that everyone can see and know what changes Suthep has in mind. Suthep would need to be specific, comprehensive, detailed, because voting only on the word "reform" would otherwise occur in a vacuum.

If not invite Suthep, then the Senate committee should recall Abhisit to present reforms, given the DP boycotted the Feb 2nd election, remains up in the air about any new election, and Abhisit's democratic credentials have been self-revealed to be less than stellar.

Abhisit really needs to clean up his act. He's calling for a referendum out of one side of his mouth while out of the other side he's calling for a dog and pony television show between the caretaker PM and the streetwalker and foot stomper Suthep, who has no position in government or in a political party, and thus no standing to debate the prime minister.

If it's beneath the Senate committee to invite Suthep to air his reforms, then it certainly would be inappropriate to allow Suthep to appear offhand on live television opposite the prime minister. The Senate committee needs to complete the task it has assumed. Meanwhile the PM can continue to work on the delinquent EC to do its job to schedule a general election.

Another skirting around the topic--debate on TV. as stated before---reforms after the government has been ousted by the court.

If a judicial coup d'état occurs a lot more than "reforms" will happen immediately afterward and for a long time yet to come.

Be careful what you wish for.

[Dogmatix]

Would love to see it. Yingluck blubbing on TV that her family has good intentions and why can't Thais allow them at least a square centimetre of Thai soil to stand on. She is about to agree to give up politics and allow an interim unelected PM, because she wants to resume her overseas shopping trips. Then suddenly her mobile beeps loudly. She looks ashen faced as she reads the message from Dubai and quickly reverts to the hard line stance.

If she plays her cards right she could get her vvery own 600 sq cm of Thai soil to stand on or lie in for several years in the Lard Yao women's correctional facility.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Would love to see it. Yingluck blubbing on TV that her family has good intentions and why can't Thais allow them at least a square centimetre of Thai soil to stand on. She is about to agree to give up politics and allow an interim unelected PM, because she wants to resume her overseas shopping trips. Then suddenly her mobile beeps loudly. She looks ashen faced as she reads the message from Dubai and quickly reverts to the hard line stance.

If she plays her cards right she could get her vvery own 600 sq cm of Thai soil to stand on or lie in for several years in the Lard Yao women's correctional facility.

Crikey!!! You are a hard man!!

[bigbamboo]

stop hiding Abhsit and try to lead your party by producing policies which the voters can support

Increase the minimum daily wage to 500 THB?

A free iPhone to every Thai citizen?

Unemployment benefit of 5000 THB per month?

It seems that the Democrat Party would have to resort to such policies in order to out-do Thaksin's parties' extremely attractive vote-garnering policies and get democratically elected into power. Should they go this route?

No, they leave the vote buying to the PTP.

[Eric Loh]

stop hiding Abhsit and try to lead your party by producing policies which the voters can support

Increase the minimum daily wage to 500 THB?

A free iPhone to every Thai citizen?

Unemployment benefit of 5000 THB per month?

It seems that the Democrat Party would have to resort to such policies in order to out-do Thaksin's parties' extremely attractive vote-garnering policies and get democratically elected into power. Should they go this route?

No, they leave the vote buying to the PTP.

Done that too. 5 Dem were red carded in '07 election. They tried everything but still can't win the election. Perhaps get rid of Ahbishit may help.

[ginjag]

The best suggestion yet. Hold a referendum for proceeding with reform. Abhisit is right in saying that few trust that reform would ever follow an election. All we have to do is look to the last election to see that that really didn't pan out ! Abhisit has pointed out the common point between the two sides. PDRC want reform, and Pheu Thai " says " that they want reform. A referendum puts the public will to the test. Abhisit's suggestion of a televised debate between Yingluck and Suthep is not just window-dressing. His calls for dialogue between the two are becoming much more apparent. Abhisit is aware that talk is necessary, and he is also aware a referendum offers a democratic solution. Give Pheu Thai five minutes to shoot it down, however. They'll dream up all sorts of excuses. They'll call it unconstitutional, and they'll suggest Suthep debate Ko Tee. But at least Abhisit's call has made it into the public consciousness, and the more Pheu Thai takes us further into the Twilight Zone, the more sensible the suggestion will look.

It's about time the laggard Abhisit caught up with the prevailing view of the country that a referendum needs to be held on any "reforms" certain people have vaguely referenced.

In fact, the Senate committee that invited Abhisit needs to invite Suthep to present his "reforms" proposal to it and thereby to the public so that everyone can see and know what changes Suthep has in mind. Suthep would need to be specific, comprehensive, detailed, because voting only on the word "reform" would otherwise occur in a vacuum.

If not invite Suthep, then the Senate committee should recall Abhisit to present reforms, given the DP boycotted the Feb 2nd election, remains up in the air about any new election, and Abhisit's democratic credentials have been self-revealed to be less than stellar.

Abhisit really needs to clean up his act. He's calling for a referendum out of one side of his mouth while out of the other side he's calling for a dog and pony television show between the caretaker PM and the streetwalker and foot stomper Suthep, who has no position in government or in a political party, and thus no standing to debate the prime minister.

If it's beneath the Senate committee to invite Suthep to air his reforms, then it certainly would be inappropriate to allow Suthep to appear offhand on live television opposite the prime minister. The Senate committee needs to complete the task it has assumed. Meanwhile the PM can continue to work on the delinquent EC to do its job to schedule a general election.

Another skirting around the topic--debate on TV. as stated before---reforms after the government has been ousted by the court.

If a judicial coup d'état occurs a lot more than "reforms" will happen immediately afterward and for a long time yet to come.

Be careful what you wish for.

If it happens it happens, if it means the red rising up GOOD because they will be quoshed in a short time, better they live their lives in the villages they choose.

If the decisions go against the government GOOD as they brought it all on themselves. If a government takes care most are happy..

I wish for good governance, simple and clean. up to you what you prefer.

[ginjag]

stop hiding Abhsit and try to lead your party by producing policies which the voters can support

Increase the minimum daily wage to 500 THB?

A free iPhone to every Thai citizen?

Unemployment benefit of 5000 THB per month?

It seems that the Democrat Party would have to resort to such policies in order to out-do Thaksin's parties' extremely attractive vote-garnering policies and get democratically elected into power. Should they go this route?

No, they leave the vote buying to the PTP.

Done that too. 5 Dem were red carded in '07 election. They tried everything but still can't win the election. Perhaps get rid of Ahbishit may help.

Why do you not denounce corruption and support the slinging out of a government without morals, Your argument re elections is old and tired.

look at the people you love, if you want to round up undesirables you start at the top---do you not agree with that or is your priority the same as 10 more posters suthep and Abhisit on your brain too much.

[thepool]

ginjag

"I wish for good governance, simple and clean."

Is that what is available in your country of origin ?

If so please tell us about this wonderful place!