Paradorn warns of threat of violence

[Lite Beer]

Paradorn warns of threat of violence
The Sunday Nation

BANGKOK: -- Outgoing NSC chief warns of simmering anger among reds over NACC's approach

The outgoing secretary-general of the National Security Council has warned of possible violent clashes as a result of the National Anti-Corruption Commission's refusal to allow caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra to extend the deadline to defend herself against alleged dereliction of duty in overseeing the rice-pledging scheme.

Lt-General Paradorn Pattanatabut said there was a feeling of injustice among pro-government protesters, particularly the red-shirt People's Radio for Democracy (PRD) who camped out in front of the NACC and were not under the control of leaders of the broader red-shirt movement.

The NACC has given Yingluck until tomorrow to defend herself.

Paradorn said no matter how it turned out, there was a risk of violent confrontation.

"[We must be] extra careful because the emotions of the people that is rooted in injustice is definitely expanding the reaction of the masses," he said.

Paradorn said red shirts would hold demonstrations between April 3-5 and the authorities needed to keep a close watch to ensure there wouldn't be violent confrontations with the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC). He said holding an election was the answer to the political stand-off but on the condition that the new government would not stay longer than a year and a half and would mainly be there to push for national reform before dissolving the House
again.

PRD red shirts in front of the NACC made a hasty retreat yesterday after a PDRC faction led by Phra Buddha Issara led a convoy of 50 vehicles and demonstrators to reclaim the area in Nonthatburi province.

Malairak Thongchai, a PRD leader, said they withdrew to avoid confrontation with the PDRC but vowed to return to reclaim the area very soon because they did not want the prime minister to meet with the NACC, which they regarded as illegitimate and unjust.

Two red shirts held by Phra Buddha Issara's men were found to have knives and a skirmish took place. The two men were later handed over to police.

Prasit Kongsri, one of the two men held by the PDRC and fined Bt100 for carrying a knife, later filed a police complaint saying he was physically assaulted and detained against his will by PDRC guards.

In a related development, Democrat Party spokesperson Chavanont Intarakomalyasut criticised Yingluck for trying to undermine the reputation of the NACC.

He also warned that an early election would not solve anything and said the new election need not be held within 45-60 days.

Deputy Democrat Party leader Ongart Klampaiboon questioned whether authorities were doing anything to beef up security as weapons were discovered in front of the NACC.

Ongart said the problem lay not with the Democrat Party but the election, which was not accepted by all sides.

-- The Nation 2014-03-30

[Dr Bruce]

The 2 people who were detained by the mad monk's goons are claiming not to be Red Guard, just innocent passers by.

The Mad Monk is claiming that one of them tried to stab him.

Everybody agrees that they were detained and held for some time by the Mad Monk.

The 2 detained claim that they were beaten and then subjected to a mock execution.

Will the truth ever be known?

One other thing that is agreed by all sides is that when they were handed over to the police 2 knives were also handed over.

Thailand is becoming a laughing stock.

Edited March 29, 2014 by Dr Bruce

[noitom]

Does anyone take Thai deadlines seriously anymore?

[NongKhaiKid]

Oh dear the reds are upset that they can't get things all their own way and how dare the law be enforced.

Nothing new there just same old but violence will sort it out.

[mikemac]

The 2 people who were detained by the mad monk's goons are claiming not to be Red Guard, just innocent passers by.

The Mad Monk is claiming that one of them tried to stab him.

Everybody agrees that they were detained and held for some time by the Mad Monk.

The 2 detained claim that they were beaten and then subjected to a mock execution.

Will the truth ever be known?

One other thing that is agreed by all sides is that when they were handed over to the police 2 knives were also handed over.

Thailand is becoming a laughing stock.

.........................."Will the truth ever be known?".............................

It certainly won't be found reading your inane comments.

And why wouldn't the Thai Rouge be angry about the NACC ? The NACC is after all "anti-corruption", and the employers of the TR base their principals on corruption. Without it they would not be where they are today, staring down the barrel of impeachment, long prison terms, and in deep, dark doo-doo.

[chainarong]

The saying is ,you don't take the law into your own hands , this always applies in a democratic country, so it is obvious that Thailand is not a democratic country , just because you are allowed to vote, isn't grounds to call Thailand a democracy , you can vote in Nth Korea also, the up - holders of the law, the Thai Police force is about as useless and corrupt as a Somalia used car salesman, Until there is a complete over haul in this area , a strengthening of the laws , Thailand will be a country subject to violence and an International un-safe reputation, destination.

[cornishcarlos]

100 baht fine will at least make a few others think twice about tooling up

[Yunla]

I pray that the current impasse will be resolved peacefully by mature consensus-seeking persons of high moral standards.

Peace in Thailand, is what the overwhelming majority of people want to see. We hope that the people in leadership positions share our views on this.

[davejonesbkk]

I thought it meant the tennis player when I first saw this headline lol

[petedk]

Does anyone take Thai deadlines seriously anymore?

After living in Thailand for one week I realised deadlines meant nothing.

[mikemac]

The saying is ,you don't take the law into your own hands , this always applies in a democratic country, so it is obvious that Thailand is not a democratic country , just because you are allowed to vote, isn't grounds to call Thailand a democracy , you can vote in Nth Korea also, the up - holders of the law, the Thai Police force is about as useless and corrupt as a Somalia used car salesman, Until there is a complete over haul in this area , a strengthening of the laws , Thailand will be a country subject to violence and an International un-safe reputation, destination.

I agree with your comment regarding voting and being a democracy, they don't necessarily go hand in hand. Nth Korea being a fine example.

Seems to me that your average garden variety red flag waver is quite happy to see Thailand stumble towards ruin, just as long as the Shin regime are at the helm and they have been voted in fair and square.

Not hard to weigh up their intelligence, or lack thereof.

[thesetat2013]

The 2 people who were detained by the mad monk's goons are claiming not to be Red Guard, just innocent passers by.

The Mad Monk is claiming that one of them tried to stab him.

Everybody agrees that they were detained and held for some time by the Mad Monk.

The 2 detained claim that they were beaten and then subjected to a mock execution.

Will the truth ever be known?

One other thing that is agreed by all sides is that when they were handed over to the police 2 knives were also handed over.

Thailand is becoming a laughing stock.

How can the truth be known with people who twist the facts (hint) into the opposite of what is stated simply because they are blinded or refuse to accept something that goes against what they want or think.

Dont you think they had witnesses that gave the police enough proof to make them pay the fine. I know that police are corrupt in the streets but in their station they cant just take bribe fines.

Who is this 'everybody' you are talking about?

I see also you gave a sweet nickname to Issara. The Mad Monk. Thats not a biased name is it? Or are you just using mad as a verb to shpw he is angry?

Given the Reds past and presnt acts of violence and the mass weapons found in their possession and in their protest sites it is more feasable rhat this article is correct than the twist you put on it.

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[expat888]

Paradorn warns of threat of violence

Correction: Paradorn threatens violence

[zydeco]

The 2 people who were detained by the mad monk's goons are claiming not to be Red Guard, just innocent passers by.

The Mad Monk is claiming that one of them tried to stab him.

Everybody agrees that they were detained and held for some time by the Mad Monk.

The 2 detained claim that they were beaten and then subjected to a mock execution.

Will the truth ever be known?

One other thing that is agreed by all sides is that when they were handed over to the police 2 knives were also handed over.

Thailand is becoming a laughing stock.

How can the truth be known with people who twist the facts (hint) into the opposite of what is stated simply because they are blinded or refuse to accept something that goes against what they want or think.

Dont you think they had witnesses that gave the police enough proof to make them pay the fine. I know that police are corrupt in the streets but in their station they cant just take bribe fines.

Who is this 'everybody' you are talking about?

I see also you gave a sweet nickname to Issara. The Mad Monk. Thats not a biased name is it? Or are you just using mad as a verb to shpw he is angry?

Given the Reds past and presnt acts of violence and the mass weapons found in their possession and in their protest sites it is more feasable rhat this article is correct than the twist you put on it.

Sent from my GT-S5310 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

That bit about the police not taking bribes in their station. Yes, they do. It's just that the rate goes up. Caught on the street with a DWI and it's 5,000 baht. If you don't have the 5,000 on you and get to jail and need to call someone, then it's 20,000 baht. If you get before the judge, however, that is where the bribes supposedly stop.

[AleG]

Malairak Thongchai, a PRD leader, said they withdrew to avoid confrontation with the PDRC but vowed to return to reclaim the area very soon because they did not want the prime minister to meet with the NACC, which they regarded as illegitimate and unjust.

That being the case the solution is very easy, the Red Shirts are acting on Yingluck's behalf, so she must come out and tell them in inequivocal terms to not threaten, besiege or assualt the NACC and its members because she doesn´t approve of those actions and she, as caretaker PM is subject to the laws and regulations present in the constitution and duty bound to enforce them.

If she doesn´t do that, IMHO, she will be complicit on whatever happens there.

[Pimay1]

In his first statement Paradorn said "there was a feeling of injustice among pro-government protesters". In his second statement he said "the emotions of the people that is rooted in injustice".

His first statement simply states there is a feeling of injustice. But he is confirming it is not just a feeling with his second statement saying the emotions are rooted in injustice. This is the kind of talk from government officials that fans the flames, no pun intended, of radical pro-government groups like the PRD. This would have been an excellent opportunity for him to urge the PRD to refrain from acts of violence.

[Scamper]

" Malairak Thongchai, a PRD leader, said they withdrew to avoid confrontation with the PDRC but vowed to return to reclaim the area very soon because they did not want the prime minister to meet with the NACC, which they regarded as illegitimate and unjust. "

And there you have it. The red shirts don't want YIngluck to show up. They have a strong feeling of course that she has no intention of showing up anyway, but they want the NACC stopped. Period. They want the rice investigation stopped. Period. They want the checks and balances stopped. Period. Paradorn's words are beyond obscene, because it is his very narrative - as well as Yingluck's - that is actually feeding the UDD. When the UDD use words like " illegitimate " and " unjust ", they are merely mimicking the sentiments of Paradorn. And both Paradorn and Yingluck know full well that as they speak against the NACC, that the NACC is under frequent grenade attack. They know that their words are being matched with action. All they have to to is use words like " injustice " and they know the UDD will be unleashed. As Paradorn is a long-time associate of Thaksin, this is clearly Thaksin's intention. Never in this country's history has any administration done so much to discredit the judicial system of checks and balances more than Pheu Thai has. Paradorn talks about violence, but what he is really doing is feeding a narrative that makes violence much more likely. He knows fully well that the UDD will take the law into their own hands. And he knows fully well that they will take his words as ammunition. Therefore, what he is doing is unconscionable - by any measure.

[Gunna]

The saying is ,you don't take the law into your own hands , this always applies in a democratic country, so it is obvious that Thailand is not a democratic country , just because you are allowed to vote, isn't grounds to call Thailand a democracy , you can vote in Nth Korea also, the up - holders of the law, the Thai Police force is about as useless and corrupt as a Somalia used car salesman, Until there is a complete over haul in this area , a strengthening of the laws , Thailand will be a country subject to violence and an International un-safe reputation, destination.

I agree with your comment regarding voting and being a democracy, they don't necessarily go hand in hand. Nth Korea being a fine example.

Seems to me that your average garden variety red flag waver is quite happy to see Thailand stumble towards ruin, just as long as the Shin regime are at the helm and they have been voted in fair and square.

Not hard to weigh up their intelligence, or lack thereof.

Reminds me of a Meatloaf song " You took the words right out of my mouth "

[dru2]

The 2 people who were detained by the mad monk's goons are claiming not to be Red Guard, just innocent passers by.

The Mad Monk is claiming that one of them tried to stab him.

Everybody agrees that they were detained and held for some time by the Mad Monk.

The 2 detained claim that they were beaten and then subjected to a mock execution.

Will the truth ever be known?

One other thing that is agreed by all sides is that when they were handed over to the police 2 knives were also handed over.

Thailand is becoming a laughing stock.

You must be right because you're a "doctor".

[zydeco]

The 2 people who were detained by the mad monk's goons are claiming not to be Red Guard, just innocent passers by.

The Mad Monk is claiming that one of them tried to stab him.

Everybody agrees that they were detained and held for some time by the Mad Monk.

The 2 detained claim that they were beaten and then subjected to a mock execution.

Will the truth ever be known?

One other thing that is agreed by all sides is that when they were handed over to the police 2 knives were also handed over.

Thailand is becoming a laughing stock.

You must be right because you're a "doctor".

Yeah, just like Thaksin is a "doctor."

Edited March 30, 2014 by zydeco

[Spartakos]

Let's see what reds have promised us so far if their faux PM is charged with any wrongdoing, secession and civil war, extermination of all amart and unwanted individuals, flooding bangkok with red(blood presumably), torching the city, impeachment of independent government bodies, attacking the army camps and kidnapping high ranking officers and members of their families, banning individuals from expressing their views if not in line with red idioligy. What a charming bunch those reds are.

[gabruce]

The saying is ,you don't take the law into your own hands , this always applies in a democratic country, so it is obvious that Thailand is not a democratic country , just because you are allowed to vote, isn't grounds to call Thailand a democracy , you can vote in Nth Korea also, the up - holders of the law, the Thai Police force is about as useless and corrupt as a Somalia used car salesman, Until there is a complete over haul in this area , a strengthening of the laws , Thailand will be a country subject to violence and an International un-safe reputation, destination.

Here is a definition of democracy "Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens participate equally—either directly or indirectly through elected representatives—in the proposal, development, and creation of laws.". It's really nothing to do with the rule of law and whether people can enforce the law or not. The

concept of citizen's arrest is valid and can be abused. Certainly if someone is attacking you, it's not prudent to wait for police to arrive - unless it's safe to do so. Unfortunately it seems like the anti-government protestors have little choice - or at least that's how it seems in media reports.

So yes, the Thai Police force does need to be seen as effective, and even-handed in how they enforce laws.

[Mr Yim]

Having read many, many posts throughout this political debacle, I have noticed how Sutheps fan club are getting more and more aggressive in their posts and now condone any form of action by the PDRC. The patronising tone has always been there, however, this seems to have gone from the sublime to the ridiculous. Maybe, I am being biased but it seems the pro-democracy supporters (call us reds if you like) have maintained the same stance throughout. I guess this must be down to frustration.

[ChrisY1]

Having read many, many posts throughout this political debacle, I have noticed how Sutheps fan club are getting more and more aggressive in their posts and now condone any form of action by the PDRC. The patronising tone has always been there, however, this seems to have gone from the sublime to the ridiculous. Maybe, I am being biased but it seems the pro-democracy supporters (call us reds if you like) have maintained the same stance throughout. I guess this must be down to frustration.

"Pro-democracy supporters"....Reds??? You're obviously confused.....

[Baerboxer]

Looks like he's saying to give her more time. or else they'll be trouble. Then in 45 days they can dream up another excuse and on and on and on. Just like with the Ombudsman's questions, she had no intentions of ever answering them and certainly not with the truth.

Sad that Thai PTP supporters are so brainwashed that they try and stop the agency that's trying to stop their elites robbing them blind and not paying the ones owed.

If anybody expects PTP to change its character and behavior they must be insane.

[leggo]

Seeing as the Thai justice system can't even bring to trial a spoilt little git who kills a policeman with his Ferrari how on earth can they to be expected to deal with all the political shenanigans that are supposedly being brought to court!

Edited March 30, 2014 by leggo

[callaway]

I guess he was lucky he was detained by the PDRC, and their justice of handing him over to the police, was meted out. I am sure if he was PDRC and caught in "red" territory the justice would have been different. The family would have been ordering in the big sound system today and cooking for all the guests.

[dru2]

Having read many, many posts throughout this political debacle, I have noticed how Sutheps fan club are getting more and more aggressive in their posts and now condone any form of action by the PDRC. The patronising tone has always been there, however, this seems to have gone from the sublime to the ridiculous. Maybe, I am being biased but it seems the pro-democracy supporters (call us reds if you like) have maintained the same stance throughout. I guess this must be down to frustration.

Or stupidity.

[tingtongteesood]

" Malairak Thongchai, a PRD leader, said they withdrew to avoid confrontation with the PDRC but vowed to return to reclaim the area very soon because they did not want the prime minister to meet with the NACC, which they regarded as illegitimate and unjust. "

And there you have it. The red shirts don't want YIngluck to show up. They have a strong feeling of course that she has no intention of showing up anyway, but they want the NACC stopped. Period. They want the rice investigation stopped. Period. They want the checks and balances stopped. Period. Paradorn's words are beyond obscene, because it is his very narrative - as well as Yingluck's - that is actually feeding the UDD. When the UDD use words like " illegitimate " and " unjust ", they are merely mimicking the sentiments of Paradorn. And both Paradorn and Yingluck know full well that as they speak against the NACC, that the NACC is under frequent grenade attack. They know that their words are being matched with action. All they have to to is use words like " injustice " and they know the UDD will be unleashed. As Paradorn is a long-time associate of Thaksin, this is clearly Thaksin's intention. Never in this country's history has any administration done so much to discredit the judicial system of checks and balances more than Pheu Thai has. Paradorn talks about violence, but what he is really doing is feeding a narrative that makes violence much more likely. He knows fully well that the UDD will take the law into their own hands. And he knows fully well that they will take his words as ammunition. Therefore, what he is doing is unconscionable - by any measure.

You are absolutely spot on as ever sir. Nice to see a thread so full of good sensible comments with few exceptions for once.

" Malairak Thongchai, a PRD leader, said they withdrew to avoid confrontation with the PDRC but vowed to return to reclaim the area very soon ''

Translation : We were outnumbered and that scared us so we ran away, but we will come back as soon as we can get a violent armed mob together and thenwe will sort them out...Watch your backs boys, grenades and more surely coming your way soon from the red menace. Good luck !

[Mrgk]

I agree with your comment regarding voting and being a democracy, they don't necessarily go hand in hand. Nth Korea being a fine example.

Seems to me that your average garden variety red flag waver is quite happy to see Thailand stumble towards ruin, just as long as the Shin regime are at the helm and they have been voted in fair and square.

Not hard to weigh up their intelligence, or lack thereof.

The reason that elections in North Korea are shams is that they decide nothing, and are rigged by the regime.

The reason that the PDRC and their cronies here on Thaivisa dislike elections is the opposite - I.e. that the elections do not produce the results desired by the powers that be, and that the results actually matter (until they are nullified by the military/CC/NACC, that is...).