AOT plans to create an Airport City

[ginjag]

I speak of it as I find it, and it is far from what you describe. You are overlooking so many things that have been documented from day one.

You are certainly a one off unbelievably satisfied customer but good for you, but we are not just talking about YOU.

Constructive criticism to you is doom and gloom.

Are you a large person ??? "Plenty to eat at the airport BEFORE boarding, through baggage and Immigration and still have time for another coffee and snack."

After take off you will be ready for some more food ----

Elderly do not find it friendly, with half mile treks, Immigration problems have plagued it, then tourist are cheated and scammed after arriving.

All I'm saying really is it is not the painted picture you portray. This mega expensive airport should have been better by miles than Singapore with massive capacity to spare for years..

While it is your life to choose to view whatever you want negatively, please do not put things in quotes I did not say .., your credibility is now zero.

Did not mean to offend, did I hit a nerve. What you said was what I quoted I believe, look again. Turn nasty for what ??? 2 lots of food you mentioned not ME.

I put some actual truths in my post and evidently you disliked them. Get real man-re credibility zero, crazy remark.

Pity you couldn't lighten up -it's not as though you are the airport owner. The food remarks were not really intended to hurt--in fact I thought you would have replied with a funny -nice reply.

If you still take constructive criticism badly --then that's your problem.

Just to add I had far better memories of Thailand when DM was running years ago. In fact 32 years ago. I am a well seasoned traveler and know what an airport should be set out like.---enjoy your evening.

You need to look again, you did misquote him, which is simply wrong and your suggestions were bordering on the offensive.

You are a spokesperson for him, making a mountain out of a molehill.

What I quoted was pretty much what he said-re 2 lots of food before boarding. Why not take it in a nicer style without this nasty ridiculous OTT post.

I explained as nice as I could. but it hit a nerve for some reason, but I do remember encounters like this with you on TVF and I should have been more aware of the name. Sorry you had to poke in your nose and add to your friends edgy attitude. It should have been taken more lighthearted than this, but it is my fault as I should have included a smiley when I quoted re food. Cool off, and if you want to not post to me, fine, I do not like to lose friends but you can easily brush them to one side. My first sentence summed the post up of yours and his.

[expat888]

It's a great idea. Let's built a huge complex for the people that aren't coming.

In in another news article TV is not showing, the "BOT: Economy may have shrunken in Q1"

Yeah. How about that city now.

Edited April 1, 2014 by expat888

[bangon04]

AOT plans to create an Airport City

Harkens back to Thaksin's grand plan:

Suvarnabhumi Province to be established within this year

Posted 2006-02-16

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/60484-suvarnabhumi-province-to-be-established-within-this-year/

Wonder if Airport City will similarly remain only on the planning charts 8 years from now (2022).

I have written about this several times on TV, including recently, and it is good to see someone else remembers it as well. Other countries have done it. It makes sense. Still, it is one of the several things that turned people in Bkk against Thaksin. Sondi Lim wrote that this proposed city was going to be separate from Thailand and leased to Singapore. I never saw any proof of this, but it didn't help the idea's reception when it was announced that Thaksin and others would annex Samut Prakarn and Prawet and run it as a separate economic zone for 8 years without any elections. This was before the coup.

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Yes, it was going to be his little fiefdom run outside of normal laws for the rest of the country. That and the money his speculator cronies would make from reselling their new land lots and monopolizing all the provincial businesses was going to be monumental.

That thread had a great photo that demonstrated those scenarios very well.

image.jpg

The new airport city will be run the same.

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I tried to find the links but failed so far - I seem to remember that there was another master plan which involved turning over Don Mueang to the AirAsia / Thai Air Asia "Hub , which coincidentally of course was part of the ShinCorp portfolio at the time. Have I remembered this right?

[airconsult]

AOT plans to create an Airport City

Harkens back to Thaksin's grand plan:

Suvarnabhumi Province to be established within this year

Posted 2006-02-16

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/60484-suvarnabhumi-province-to-be-established-within-this-year/

Wonder if Airport City will similarly remain only on the planning charts 8 years from now (2022).

I have written about this several times on TV, including recently, and it is good to see someone else remembers it as well. Other countries have done it. It makes sense. Still, it is one of the several things that turned people in Bkk against Thaksin. Sondi Lim wrote that this proposed city was going to be separate from Thailand and leased to Singapore. I never saw any proof of this, but it didn't help the idea's reception when it was announced that Thaksin and others would annex Samut Prakarn and Prawet and run it as a separate economic zone for 8 years without any elections. This was before the coup.

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Yes, it was going to be his little fiefdom run outside of normal laws for the rest of the country. That and the money his speculator cronies would make from reselling their new land lots and monopolizing all the provincial businesses was going to be monumental.

That thread had a great photo that demonstrated those scenarios very well.

image.jpg

The new airport city will be run the same.

.

I tried to find the links but failed so far - I seem to remember that there was another master plan which involved turning over Don Mueang to the AirAsia / Thai Air Asia "Hub , which coincidentally of course was part of the ShinCorp portfolio at the time. Have I remembered this right?

The problem with the Don will start when the noise lawsuits start to surface.

You see, if you have an airport planned (or operating) for many years and during that time people build around it - then they don't have much standing as far as it goes when complaining about noise.

But if you close an airport down, then reopen it, you've lost a lot of your legitimacy in court as the operator. The Don was shut down as it didn't offer opportunities for expansion. But due to the political stalemates delaying building permissions, suvarnabhumi went over capacity, and the don was reopened.

[Old Man River]

AOT plans to create an Airport City

Harkens back to Thaksin's grand plan:

Suvarnabhumi Province to be established within this year

Posted 2006-02-16

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/60484-suvarnabhumi-province-to-be-established-within-this-year/

Wonder if Airport City will similarly remain only on the planning charts 8 years from now (2022).

I have written about this several times on TV, including recently, and it is good to see someone else remembers it as well. Other countries have done it. It makes sense. Still, it is one of the several things that turned people in Bkk against Thaksin. Sondi Lim wrote that this proposed city was going to be separate from Thailand and leased to Singapore. I never saw any proof of this, but it didn't help the idea's reception when it was announced that Thaksin and others would annex Samut Prakarn and Prawet and run it as a separate economic zone for 8 years without any elections. This was before the coup.

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Yes, it was going to be his little fiefdom run outside of normal laws for the rest of the country. That and the money his speculator cronies would make from reselling their new land lots and monopolizing all the provincial businesses was going to be monumental.

That thread had a great photo that demonstrated those scenarios very well.

image.jpg

The new airport city will be run the same.

.

The big issue at the time was, since it would not be the 77th province, whether this area, controlled by Thaksin, was ever meant to be part of the Kingdom. Now, the AOT has brought it back. Other countries with similar airport structures aren't Kingdoms.

The AOT needs to explain, since Thailand is a Kingdom, what structure they have in mind.

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[chooka]

How about creating a good airport first?

Just bulldoze swampy and build a modern user friendly airport where the planes dock at the lounges and you don't have to catch a bus to the plane like you had to do in 70's.

[ginjag]

Yes, it was going to be his little fiefdom run outside of normal laws for the rest of the country. That and the money his speculator cronies would make from reselling their new land lots and monopolizing all the provincial businesses was going to be monumental.

That thread had a great photo that demonstrated those scenarios very well.

image.jpg

The new airport city will be run the same.

.

I tried to find the links but failed so far - I seem to remember that there was another master plan which involved turning over Don Mueang to the AirAsia / Thai Air Asia "Hub , which coincidentally of course was part of the ShinCorp portfolio at the time. Have I remembered this right?

The problem with the Don will start when the noise lawsuits start to surface.

You see, if you have an airport planned (or operating) for many years and during that time people build around it - then they don't have much standing as far as it goes when complaining about noise.

But if you close an airport down, then reopen it, you've lost a lot of your legitimacy in court as the operator. The Don was shut down as it didn't offer opportunities for expansion. But due to the political stalemates delaying building permissions, suvarnabhumi went over capacity, and the don was reopened.

The airport is owned by the air force ?? the air force has always used it apart from some flooding, So was it officially closed??? The Hi SOs didn't file noise complaints when playing golf between runways.

Capacity of Swampy was never large enough for the future travel when designed. I have stated many times if the Air Force were to have relocated, there was enough room and capacity to NOT have built Swampy on a SWAMP. Thaksin money making idea-with enormous room for scams etc. He knew this.

The construction problems surfaced within a year or so, not a normal say 15 years for re surfacing etc.

[ginjag]

How about creating a good airport first?

Just bulldoze swampy and build a modern user friendly airport where the planes dock at the lounges and you don't have to catch a bus to the plane like you had to do in 70's.

Make a city there -WITHOUT the airport, But re house the Air force there, industrial hub, F1 motor circuit ----sports car/M/cycle racing----Wholesale/retail outlets---

Water sports facilities, Swimming/athletics/ football stadiums. Emergency helicopter service.

Re earlier----use all the existing space at DM that WAS Air Force-into big capacity domestic/international

[Old Man River]

Yes, it was going to be his little fiefdom run outside of normal laws for the rest of the country. That and the money his speculator cronies would make from reselling their new land lots and monopolizing all the provincial businesses was going to be monumental.

That thread had a great photo that demonstrated those scenarios very well.

image.jpg

The new airport city will be run the same.

.

I tried to find the links but failed so far - I seem to remember that there was another master plan which involved turning over Don Mueang to the AirAsia / Thai Air Asia "Hub , which coincidentally of course was part of the ShinCorp portfolio at the time. Have I remembered this right?

The problem with the Don will start when the noise lawsuits start to surface.

You see, if you have an airport planned (or operating) for many years and during that time people build around it - then they don't have much standing as far as it goes when complaining about noise.

But if you close an airport down, then reopen it, you've lost a lot of your legitimacy in court as the operator. The Don was shut down as it didn't offer opportunities for expansion. But due to the political stalemates delaying building permissions, suvarnabhumi went over capacity, and the don was reopened.

The airport is owned by the air force ?? the air force has always used it apart from some flooding, So was it officially closed??? The Hi SOs didn't file noise complaints when playing golf between runways.

Capacity of Swampy was never large enough for the future travel when designed. I have stated many times if the Air Force were to have relocated, there was enough room and capacity to NOT have built Swampy on a SWAMP. Thaksin money making idea-with enormous room for scams etc. He knew this.

The construction problems surfaced within a year or so, not a normal say 15 years for re surfacing etc.

Hey, I played golf there. It wasn't a Hi-so place to play. In fact, it was cheap.

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[SOTIRIOS]

...isn't that rather ambitious for a corporation running at a loss......???

[ginjag]

Yes, it was going to be his little fiefdom run outside of normal laws for the rest of the country. That and the money his speculator cronies would make from reselling their new land lots and monopolizing all the provincial businesses was going to be monumental.

That thread had a great photo that demonstrated those scenarios very well.

image.jpg

The new airport city will be run the same.

.

I tried to find the links but failed so far - I seem to remember that there was another master plan which involved turning over Don Mueang to the AirAsia / Thai Air Asia "Hub , which coincidentally of course was part of the ShinCorp portfolio at the time. Have I remembered this right?

The problem with the Don will start when the noise lawsuits start to surface.

You see, if you have an airport planned (or operating) for many years and during that time people build around it - then they don't have much standing as far as it goes when complaining about noise.

But if you close an airport down, then reopen it, you've lost a lot of your legitimacy in court as the operator. The Don was shut down as it didn't offer opportunities for expansion. But due to the political stalemates delaying building permissions, suvarnabhumi went over capacity, and the don was reopened.

The airport is owned by the air force ?? the air force has always used it apart from some flooding, So was it officially closed??? The Hi SOs didn't file noise complaints when playing golf between runways.

Capacity of Swampy was never large enough for the future travel when designed. I have stated many times if the Air Force were to have relocated, there was enough room and capacity to NOT have built Swampy on a SWAMP. Thaksin money making idea-with enormous room for scams etc. He knew this.

The construction problems surfaced within a year or so, not a normal say 15 years for re surfacing etc.

Hey, I played golf there. It wasn't a Hi-so place to play. In fact, it was cheap.

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I only knew D.M. as it used to be. When landing and seeing people playing golf between the runways assumed they were the toffee nosed type, you proved me wrong. when we landed I remember there were some traffic lights for people to cross. Ha ha.

You can imagine all that far exterior space occupied by the air force that would have been ideal for BKK main airport.

Did you have to take life insurance to play ??? and an arriving aircraft---you shout 4

[Old Man River]

Yes, it was going to be his little fiefdom run outside of normal laws for the rest of the country. That and the money his speculator cronies would make from reselling their new land lots and monopolizing all the provincial businesses was going to be monumental.

That thread had a great photo that demonstrated those scenarios very well.

image.jpg

The new airport city will be run the same.

.

I tried to find the links but failed so far - I seem to remember that there was another master plan which involved turning over Don Mueang to the AirAsia / Thai Air Asia "Hub , which coincidentally of course was part of the ShinCorp portfolio at the time. Have I remembered this right?

The problem with the Don will start when the noise lawsuits start to surface.

You see, if you have an airport planned (or operating) for many years and during that time people build around it - then they don't have much standing as far as it goes when complaining about noise.

But if you close an airport down, then reopen it, you've lost a lot of your legitimacy in court as the operator. The Don was shut down as it didn't offer opportunities for expansion. But due to the political stalemates delaying building permissions, suvarnabhumi went over capacity, and the don was reopened.

The airport is owned by the air force ?? the air force has always used it apart from some flooding, So was it officially closed??? The Hi SOs didn't file noise complaints when playing golf between runways.

Capacity of Swampy was never large enough for the future travel when designed. I have stated many times if the Air Force were to have relocated, there was enough room and capacity to NOT have built Swampy on a SWAMP. Thaksin money making idea-with enormous room for scams etc. He knew this.

The construction problems surfaced within a year or so, not a normal say 15 years for re surfacing etc.

Hey, I played golf there. It wasn't a Hi-so place to play. In fact, it was cheap.

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I only knew D.M. as it used to be. When landing and seeing people playing golf between the runways assumed they were the toffee nosed type, you proved me wrong. when we landed I remember there were some traffic lights for people to cross. Ha ha.

You can imagine all that far exterior space occupied by the air force that would have been ideal for BKK main airport.

Did you have to take life insurance to play ??? and an arriving aircraft---you shout 4

When I played, people in planes needed life insurance. I was too scared to yell 4. Planes were landing and taking off!

If you ever played golf with me, you would understand.

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[bra]

I notice that "swampy" has now mostly become "Suva" as the nick name for Suvarnabhumi Airport in these fora. Well posters are free to call it what ever they want however I have never seen it called anything but its full name outside of these pages. I suggest if a shorter names are needed how about BKK and DMK for Don Meuang? Besides which Suva has already been taken - its the capital of Fiji.

I use BKK often and have never had any problems in the terminal. A couple of years ago Thai often parked at remote stands requiring bus transport which I agree is a pain but this appears to have ceased after Thai Air Asia, Nok and co moved to DMK.

There are NO dangerous operations on the runways and taxiways - these are all designed to international standards - same as Changi, KLIA, Hong Kong, Incheon, Beijing etc. ATC is handled by Aerothai who provide a safe and efficient service. If posters do not have much aeronautical knowledge I suggest they refrain from comments - keep these to the food, taxis, immigration etc.

For those who suggest that DMK could have been enlarged to handle the movements now at BKK, there is no room to lengthen or widen the runways - needed for Code F aircraft such as A380s etc. Also the runways are too close together (about 400 m apart)to allow for simultaneous independent parallel runway operations - and this would limit capacity in the future. Such operations are possible at BKK (runways about 2200 m apart) DMK does of course serve a useful purpose as a low cost carrier airport.

[ginjag]

I notice that "swampy" has now mostly become "Suva" as the nick name for Suvarnabhumi Airport in these fora. Well posters are free to call it what ever they want however I have never seen it called anything but its full name outside of these pages. I suggest if a shorter names are needed how about BKK and DMK for Don Meuang? Besides which Suva has already been taken - its the capital of Fiji.

I use BKK often and have never had any problems in the terminal. A couple of years ago Thai often parked at remote stands requiring bus transport which I agree is a pain but this appears to have ceased after Thai Air Asia, Nok and co moved to DMK.

There are NO dangerous operations on the runways and taxiways - these are all designed to international standards - same as Changi, KLIA, Hong Kong, Incheon, Beijing etc. ATC is handled by Aerothai who provide a safe and efficient service. If posters do not have much aeronautical knowledge I suggest they refrain from comments - keep these to the food, taxis, immigration etc.

For those who suggest that DMK could have been enlarged to handle the movements now at BKK, there is no room to lengthen or widen the runways - needed for Code F aircraft such as A380s etc. Also the runways are too close together (about 400 m apart)to allow for simultaneous independent parallel runway operations - and this would limit capacity in the future. Such operations are possible at BKK (runways about 2200 m apart) DMK does of course serve a useful purpose as a low cost carrier airport.

BKK was nicknamed Swampy because it was built on cobra swamp land. Casually, posters use Swampy but for quickness BKK is the norm. Suva is newish to me and over a few years never heard of it only as in SUVA-Fiji.

The design of runways/taxiways maybe of international standards, where are the guarantees ??? had you been on TVF over the last few years many topics of scams and mega airport problems run into hundreds.

The taxiways closures and runway cracks / closures have been well documented and found to be construction company not having laid foundation as per contract. many cases of cracks have occurred, normally an airport should not have problems like this in donkey's years.

all the flaws have been material problems not ATC.

DMK from the early days used fully laden 747-400s. mega top. with no problems.

One mega item you did not mention was the room -half as much again- that the Air Force used. this was the area that would have been the 3rd runway/or extensions .

Don MK is and will be more than your useful low cost carrier airport. My thought on this is A Asia will take advantage of this airport and use LONG HAUL aircraft, also Charter airlines will become more frequent there, as it is more handy for Bangkok.

[JohnThailandJohn]

If in 2001 Thaksin didn't had won the election i guess Suvarnhabhumi would be today still under construction and not open.

It was actually a project that had to go through as it was under General Chavalit's watch. Funny that his daughter owned a good majority of the land where the airport was built.

The airport land was purchased in the early 70s. Not sure whose daughter you mean but it was purchased the same year Thaksin finished school and joined the police force and well before Chavalit got into politics or ran the army.

Edited April 1, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[Benmart]

How about creating a good airport first?

It might be helpful expand on what qualifies as good.

I must say that Savarnabhumi Airport is a vast improvement over Don Muang, which has a history dating back to 1914. I believe the present DM terminal was built in the 1960s and the facilities expanded during the Vietnam War era.

Those that have flown into DM, when it was the Bangkok airport, might agree things have improve a bit when flying into Thailand.