rubl Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Wow, you're as bad as Thaksin, PT and Khaosod with your out and out lies and distortions of the truth. Here's a few "facts" for you, it's called the "truth", a word you might not be familiar with: 1. Issara had booked 10 rooms at SC Park Hotel and intended to use the conference facilities there. 2. When they arrived, they were refused entry even though they had legitimately paid deposits etc and booked the rooms/facilities AND had the booking receipts as evidence they had done so. 3. The Hotel offered the monies as compensation after refusing to let them enter the premises. 4. The monies were then used to help the farmers. All of these "facts" mentioned above can be verified by many sources, just not your red biased propaganda sources. Using Khaosod and RichardBarrow as legitimate unbiased news sources is going to hurt your credibility as they are mouthpieces for Thaksin and say what he wants, regardless of how "truthful" it might be. After spouting off about the evilness of the Shinawatras, he showed up at a Shin hotel with a mob far in excess of the rooms he booked and was denied entry, he then demanded money for his 8 busses / trucks and other vehicles. It was a criminal act of extortion that cannot be defended by any reputable law abiding citizen You're defaming a monk who is involved in democratic protests against an undemocratic government which not only tried to push through a blanket amnesty bill for big brother, but even managed to sneak in their own amnesty for anything done 'wrong' in the first two years. The monk showed up with participants for a forum, participants for which rooms were reserved. The hotel denied access and didn't want to make good on the reservation. Anyone treated such would complain, even lots of tourists do such. Your allegations on demanding money, extorting money , etc. are just that, allegations just out of the 'how to counter all who are against' book of distortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binjalin Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 If he were a true monk he would not behave as such it is merely a disguise !! it is against Sangha Rules to be engaged in politics - either side he is a disgrace to Buddhism EDIT: no monks should be engaged in politics and so I condemn those at the red shirt rally just as much (being a fair poster lol) Could you please indicate which specific rules from the Vinaya Pitaka?. Thank You Gentle reminder: Those of you who are questioning the suitability of Phra Issara to wear the robes, could you please indicate which of the 227 rules of the Buddhist monks (Vinaya Pitaka) is he breaking? Thank You. I do not know the location of the Sangha Rule but I understand it is only because there is no Supreme Patriarch that nothing is done about Buddha (sic) Issara - the following may help : A Buddhist monk is supposed to be a renunciant practising the path to Enlightenment taught by the Buddha. This is a path for the elimination of the self or ego. Thus the Buddha and his disciples went on daily almsround (pindacara) to beg for their food as a practise to cultivate humility, in addition to giving lay devotees the chance to practise generosity. So humility is the mark of a renunciant, and you can say that a benchmark of a monk’s progress is the measure of his humility. Active Involvement in Politics From all the above, we can see very clearly that a monk should not be actively involved in partisan politics, which is within the sphere of lay people. At the most a monk may exercise his citizen’s right to vote wisely in the General Elections. If monks actively engage in partisan politics, it will endanger the Sangha (community of monks). There are ten contemplations a monk is instructed by the Buddha to consider thoughtfully every day in Anguttara Nikaya Sutta 10.48. The first one is “I am now come to the state of being an outcaste (vevanniya).” The third contemplation is “I must now behave differently (from a lay person).” So a monk should remind himself that he has gone out from society to live a completely different lifestyle from a lay person. To remind his monastic disciples of their low-calling the Buddha purposely called his monks ‘bhikkhu’, literally ‘beggar’. It is only because of his renunciation of worldly possessions and affairs that a monk receives veneration and homage from the laity. If he behaves like a lay person what can he expect other than to be treated like a lay person? Ven. Dhammavuddho Mahathera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naboo Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 This monk has an affinity for cash. I wonder what Buddha would think of him? Your just as bad as the newspaper, and if he knew who you really are, and not just a coward that hides behind a keyboard He could Sue you as well for this comment Please show me proof that he wanted this money for himself Why he can not want the monies to help the priesthood everyday people donate money to Monks, and this money goes to the temples and priesthood so are they all have an affinity to Cash On this subject you will get no argument from me, but I keep my thoughts to my self You have insulted every Thai who loves the Monkhood with your posting I hope you will now be a real man and apoligise to Thais for you comment made before thinking them through He suggests one monk has an affinity for cash, you suggest they all do, and he's the one offending all monks! Corrupt monks have been seen in Thailand before, but that doesn't mean all monks are corrupt. Perhaps you should withdraw your comment. If you learn to read You will see my comment put to him was a question, not a statement So now you try to twist my posting to suit your anger at one monk Sorry, I've tried really hard, I can't see a question mark in there, nor a question. Perhaps you should learn to write before criticizing others' ability to read. More hypocrisy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 This news is not report by other newspaper ! Is it a new Khaosod lie ? When was the last Khaosod lie? Or are you referring to the article about sutheps rant about sovereign power - the one he's frantically backtracking and retracting now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) After spouting off about the evilness of the Shinawatras, he showed up at a Shin hotel with a mob far in excess of the rooms he booked and was denied entry, he then demanded money for his 8 busses / trucks and other vehicles. It was a criminal act of extortion that cannot be defended by any reputable law abiding citizen You're defaming a monk who is involved in democratic protests against an undemocratic government which not only tried to push through a blanket amnesty bill for big brother, but even managed to sneak in their own amnesty for anything done 'wrong' in the first two years. The monk showed up with participants for a forum, participants for which rooms were reserved. The hotel denied access and didn't want to make good on the reservation. Anyone treated such would complain, even lots of tourists do such. Your allegations on demanding money, extorting money , etc. are just that, allegations just out of the 'how to counter all who are against' book of distortion. Oh, you're good, rubl, first suthep, now the "poor" misunderstood monk - is there anybody you won't defend (apart from anybody Thaksin oriented)? "The monk showed up with participants for a forum, participants for which rooms were reserved. The hotel denied access and didn't want to make good on the reservation. Anyone treated such would complain, even lots of tourists do such". Oh really, did he? The protesters were led by Luang Poo Buddha-issara from Shinawatra Tower 3 on Vibhavadi Rangsit road to SC Park hotel. The abbot earlier led protesters to rally at the tower and hinted he would move to another location as part of the pressure on the caretaker prime minister. One of the abbot’s guards said they have booked about 10 rooms at the hotel on the Internet for farmers to stay overnight and held a seminar. By 1 p.m., the hotel still did not allow protesters, numbering over 200 to enter. They arrived in about 10 trucks and vans. Must have been bloody big beds, even spooning, 20 to a bed................. Edited April 10, 2014 by fab4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Prbkk Posted April 10, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2014 Is he not facing criminal charges in relation to his role in the bashing/torture/interrogation of the police officers a few weeks ago? That incident alone should see him disrobed 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGP Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) Could you please indicate which specific rules from the Vinaya Pitaka?. Thank YouGentle reminder: Those of you who are questioning the suitability of Phra Issara to wear the robes, could you please indicate which of the 227 rules of the Buddhist monks (Vinaya Pitaka) is he breaking? Thank You. I do not know the location of the Sangha Rule but I understand it is only because there is no Supreme Patriarch that nothing is done about Buddha (sic) Issara - the following may help : A Buddhist monk is supposed to be a renunciant practising the path to Enlightenment taught by the Buddha. This is a path for the elimination of the self or ego. Thus the Buddha and his disciples went on daily almsround (pindacara) to beg for their food as a practise to cultivate humility, in addition to giving lay devotees the chance to practise generosity. So humility is the mark of a renunciant, and you can say that a benchmark of a monk’s progress is the measure of his humility. Active Involvement in Politics From all the above, we can see very clearly that a monk should not be actively involved in partisan politics, which is within the sphere of lay people. At the most a monk may exercise his citizen’s right to vote wisely in the General Elections. If monks actively engage in partisan politics, it will endanger the Sangha (community of monks). There are ten contemplations a monk is instructed by the Buddha to consider thoughtfully every day in Anguttara Nikaya Sutta 10.48. The first one is “I am now come to the state of being an outcaste (vevanniya).” The third contemplation is “I must now behave differently (from a lay person).” So a monk should remind himself that he has gone out from society to live a completely different lifestyle from a lay person. To remind his monastic disciples of their low-calling the Buddha purposely called his monks ‘bhikkhu’, literally ‘beggar’. It is only because of his renunciation of worldly possessions and affairs that a monk receives veneration and homage from the laity. If he behaves like a lay person what can he expect other than to be treated like a lay person? Ven. Dhammavuddho Mahathera That is just the opinion of one monk. The Thai Sahgha Feudal System has it's own regulations, but they were not made by the Buddha. Not following the Thai Sangha Archaic Rules does not mean that a monk has to disrobe. eg: Ajahn Brahm did allow the ordination of women in Australia (to ordain women is not allowed by the Thai Sangha Rules) and he is still a monk, but he does not belong to the Thai Feudal Sangha anymore. There are many communities of monks that do not follow the Thai Sangha Rules. Not even the Thai Forest monks of the Ajahn Chah tradition, who are strictly adhered to the Vinaya Pitaka Rules, follow everything that they dictate. On the other side, the ordinary monks that you see in Bangkok and in 90% of the Wat in Thailand, do not follow all the 227 rules of the Vinaya, like the forest monks do. The Vinaya Pitaka, that is part of the Tipitaka, can be consulted here: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/vin/ Edited April 10, 2014 by MGP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 and what is he going to do with the cash if he gets it, donate it to charity or buy a new Merc to get to the temple? I find it hard to believe that he is a real monk just appears to be another money hungry corrupt person. So you are saying If he donates it to charity then it is okay But if he buys a new Merc to get to the temple he is not Okay I agree with you but what gives TVF member the right to judge him before the fact, wait till we see the truth of his intentions it is against Sangha Rules to be engaged in politics - either side he is a disgrace to Buddhism EDIT: no monks should be engaged in politics and so I condemn those at the red shirt rally just as much (being a fair poster lol) I agree it is terrible behaviour for a supposed monk, but ts not against the monk rules to engage in politics. Can you cite any vinaya rule as evidence? Here are some rules for when monks go out into inhabited areas: 1) I will cover my body properly. 2)I will properly restrain the movements of hands and feet 3) I will keep my eyes looking down. 4) I will not hitch up my robes. 5) I will not laugh loudly. 6) I will not speak loudly. 7) I will not sway my body about. 8) I will not swing my arms about. 9) I will not shake my head about. 10) I will not put my arms akimbo. 11) I will not cover my head with a cloth. 12) I will not walk on tiptoe. 13) I will not sit clasping my knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 it is against Sangha Rules to be engaged in politics - either side he is a disgrace to Buddhism EDIT: no monks should be engaged in politics and so I condemn those at the red shirt rally just as much (being a fair poster lol) I agree it is terrible behaviour for a supposed monk, but ts not against the monk rules to engage in politics. Can you cite any vinaya rule as evidence? Here are some rules for when monks go out into inhabited areas: 1) I will cover my body properly. 2)I will properly restrain the movements of hands and feet 3) I will keep my eyes looking down. 4) I will not hitch up my robes. 5) I will not laugh loudly. 6) I will not speak loudly. 7) I will not sway my body about. 8) I will not swing my arms about. 9) I will not shake my head about. 10) I will not put my arms akimbo. 11) I will not cover my head with a cloth. 12) I will not walk on tiptoe. 13) I will not sit clasping my knees. In a number of countries around here monks have been leading in democratic anti-government protests. Applauded for their stance as well. Did they go wrong? As far as I know only those who were protested against would condemn such actions by monks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Is he not facing criminal charges in relation to his role in the bashing/torture/interrogation of the police officers a few weeks ago? That incident alone should see him disrobed Did he face criminal charges? If so, was he already found guilty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 After spouting off about the evilness of the Shinawatras, he showed up at a Shin hotel with a mob far in excess of the rooms he booked and was denied entry, he then demanded money for his 8 busses / trucks and other vehicles. It was a criminal act of extortion that cannot be defended by any reputable law abiding citizen You're defaming a monk who is involved in democratic protests against an undemocratic government which not only tried to push through a blanket amnesty bill for big brother, but even managed to sneak in their own amnesty for anything done 'wrong' in the first two years. The monk showed up with participants for a forum, participants for which rooms were reserved. The hotel denied access and didn't want to make good on the reservation. Anyone treated such would complain, even lots of tourists do such. Your allegations on demanding money, extorting money , etc. are just that, allegations just out of the 'how to counter all who are against' book of distortion. Oh, you're good, rubl, first suthep, now the "poor" misunderstood monk - is there anybody you won't defend (apart from anybody Thaksin oriented)? "The monk showed up with participants for a forum, participants for which rooms were reserved. The hotel denied access and didn't want to make good on the reservation. Anyone treated such would complain, even lots of tourists do such". Oh really, did he? The protesters were led by Luang Poo Buddha-issara from Shinawatra Tower 3 on Vibhavadi Rangsit road to SC Park hotel. The abbot earlier led protesters to rally at the tower and hinted he would move to another location as part of the pressure on the caretaker prime minister. One of the abbot’s guards said they have booked about 10 rooms at the hotel on the Internet for farmers to stay overnight and held a seminar. By 1 p.m., the hotel still did not allow protesters, numbering over 200 to enter. They arrived in about 10 trucks and vans. Must have been bloody big beds, even spooning, 20 to a bed................. You do have some problems reading and understanding I guess. Nowhere does it say that 200 people were to be put in 10 rooms, only that 10 rooms were booked for farmers to stay overnight. BTW between the two sentences in the last paragraph you quote the original had "The abbot also showed booking documents they printed on the Internet to show to the guards but were still not allowed to enter. The abbot said after the check-in he would also book seminar room to hold seminar for farmers who were expected to arrive and join today." http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/705771-luang-poo-buddha-issara-rejected-check-in-at-sc-park-hotel/ Follow-up in http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/705937-sc-park-hotel-pays-rallying-monk-buddha-issara-bt120000-in-compensation/ http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/706733-voice-tv-agrees-to-apologise-to-buddha-issara-and-farmers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larsjohnsson Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 This monk has an affinity for cash. I wonder what Buddha would think of him? Yes you are right. And we all know what the "real monks" think about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGP Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) This monk has an affinity for cash. I wonder what Buddha would think of him? Yes you are right. And we all know what the "real monks" think about him. And who are "real monks" for you? For me, the best example of the Buddhist teachings is given by the Forest Monks. I go quite often to the forest monasteries, and I can tell you that they are supporting Phra Issara, as they supported the revered Ajahn Maha Boowa in his anti-Thaksin quest. A gentle reminder: it was Ajahn Maha Boowa who did open the eyes of many Thai people to see the evilness of Thaksin Shinawatra. ps: for those that are still asking again and again about what is he doing with the money, please read posts #33 and #34 at this thread. Edited April 10, 2014 by MGP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belg Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 oh only 100 million tought those monk thingies have to swear of any greed impulses, but this is the THAI branche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGP Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) oh only 100 million tought those monk thingies have to swear of any greed impulses, but this is the THAI branche Belg. If he ever got that money (but he will not, since that was only symbolic), it would be very well spent. please read posts #33 and #34 at this thread. He is making better use of the assets than any politician in Thailand. For the real long-term benefit of the people, not for filling the pockets of the parasites. Edited April 10, 2014 by MGP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 oh only 100 million tought those monk thingies have to swear of any greed impulses, but this is the THAI branche you might have missed in the OP "Nevertheless, it is understood that Buddha Issara has not taken any formal step in filing the libel lawsuit, and his appearance at the court was merely symbolic." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcbkk Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 This monk has an affinity for cash. I wonder what Buddha would think of him? Riches ruin only the foolish, not those in quest of the Beyond. By craving for riches the witless man ruins himself as well as others. -- the Dhammapada. the Buddha's path to wisdom. Then why is their more wealth in Buddhist temples in Thailand, than in any other religion in Thailand Why is Gold so important in Thai temples? This is Thailand and do Thais really understand true Buddism, where they pay merit at the temple for things they have done, and will do in the next week Where people buy their seat in heaven with money donated Why when I go to Panthrip plaza do I see monks buying the latest camera's and computers In Australia girls spend the nights at the temple to serve buddha, so their luck will be good at the Casino the next day Personally I can not answer these questions, and it it not my place to judge But if the monks can help the poor Thai people with monies they get, I think it is great So if this is the intention of this monk, he gets 10 out of 10 from me But there are many here, on TVF who put this Monk down, because he is on the side of the protestors (the thai people) Just one question , if I may. What if he was on the pro-government side ? Would that not make him on the side of the Thai people also ? absolutely. but then, there would be no attacks by khaosod nor people on this forum don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzainoz Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 This monk has an affinity for cash. I wonder what Buddha would think of him? Except it was merely symbolic and he has NOT filed a lawsuit. yet do you always judge other for things they have not yet done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I was waiting for this to happen. Khaosod have overstepped the mark with their twisting of facts to stir political hatred, and when this shambles are out of power, Khaosod will find itself facing many defamation charges which will bring it to its knees. A good day for truth and anti-propaganda. And Matichon? They have presented some unflattering reports. You are silent in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzainoz Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 This mans credibility and adherence to the precepts required by the Thai version of Buddhism is under review. I would respectfully suggest that we allow his superiors and peers to judge as to his suitability to wear the robe. Is the monk who jetsets around the world in a private jet, with billions stashed away overseas his superior? spend some mre time reading facts instead of posting BS on TVF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzainoz Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 and what is he going to do with the cash if he gets it, donate it to charity or buy a new Merc to get to the temple? I find it hard to believe that he is a real monk just appears to be another money hungry corrupt person. So you are saying If he donates it to charity then it is okay But if he buys a new Merc to get to the temple he is not Okay I agree with you but what gives TVF member the right to judge him before the fact, wait till we see the truth of his intentions it is against Sangha Rules to be engaged in politics - either side he is a disgrace to Buddhism EDIT: no monks should be engaged in politics and so I condemn those at the red shirt rally just as much (being a fair poster lol) I agree it is terrible behaviour for a supposed monk, but ts not against the monk rules to engage in politics. Can you cite any vinaya rule as evidence? and it is a buddha rule the personal possesion can not be a part of your life so maybe the police should be at the front doors of S Plaza to catch all the monks who are there buying the latest hi tech camera s and computers This is Thailand my friend learn to be with the wind the truth has effected your thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 This mans credibility and adherence to the precepts required by the Thai version of Buddhism is under review. I would respectfully suggest that we allow his superiors and peers to judge as to his suitability to wear the robe. Is the monk who jetsets around the world in a private jet, with billions stashed away overseas his superior? spend some mre time reading facts instead of posting BS on TVF Did you miss the "?" at the end? It was a question not a statement. Try reading before attacking people on TVF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 This mans credibility and adherence to the precepts required by the Thai version of Buddhism is under review. I would respectfully suggest that we allow his superiors and peers to judge as to his suitability to wear the robe. Is the monk who jetsets around the world in a private jet, with billions stashed away overseas his superior? spend some mre time reading facts instead of posting BS on TVF Did you miss the "?" at the end? It was a question not a statement. Try reading before attacking people on TVF. To be fair, it was a leading question which seemed to be aimed at suggesting sufficient doubt might exist on the integrity of Buddha Issara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captspectre Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 This monk has an affinity for cash. I wonder what Buddha would think of him? what would a monk do with all that money? I don't believe he is a monk in the srtictest sense. in the past fifteen years I have seen many phonies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 You're defaming a monk who is involved in democratic protests against an undemocratic government which not only tried to push through a blanket amnesty bill for big brother, but even managed to sneak in their own amnesty for anything done 'wrong' in the first two years. The monk showed up with participants for a forum, participants for which rooms were reserved. The hotel denied access and didn't want to make good on the reservation. Anyone treated such would complain, even lots of tourists do such. Your allegations on demanding money, extorting money , etc. are just that, allegations just out of the 'how to counter all who are against' book of distortion. Oh, you're good, rubl, first suthep, now the "poor" misunderstood monk - is there anybody you won't defend (apart from anybody Thaksin oriented)? "The monk showed up with participants for a forum, participants for which rooms were reserved. The hotel denied access and didn't want to make good on the reservation. Anyone treated such would complain, even lots of tourists do such". Oh really, did he? The protesters were led by Luang Poo Buddha-issara from Shinawatra Tower 3 on Vibhavadi Rangsit road to SC Park hotel. The abbot earlier led protesters to rally at the tower and hinted he would move to another location as part of the pressure on the caretaker prime minister. One of the abbot’s guards said they have booked about 10 rooms at the hotel on the Internet for farmers to stay overnight and held a seminar. By 1 p.m., the hotel still did not allow protesters, numbering over 200 to enter. They arrived in about 10 trucks and vans. Must have been bloody big beds, even spooning, 20 to a bed................. You do have some problems reading and understanding I guess. Nowhere does it say that 200 people were to be put in 10 rooms, only that 10 rooms were booked for farmers to stay overnight. BTW between the two sentences in the last paragraph you quote the original had "The abbot also showed booking documents they printed on the Internet to show to the guards but were still not allowed to enter. The abbot said after the check-in he would also book seminar room to hold seminar for farmers who were expected to arrive and join today." http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/705771-luang-poo-buddha-issara-rejected-check-in-at-sc-park-hotel/ Follow-up in http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/705937-sc-park-hotel-pays-rallying-monk-buddha-issara-bt120000-in-compensation/ http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/706733-voice-tv-agrees-to-apologise-to-buddha-issara-and-farmers/ There was a "slight" disproportion between the compensation and the deposit and/or the room rate. Never knew Thai hotels to be so free with refunds, not to mention over-compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The stuttering parrot Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Wasn't he filmed or photographed counting the 120 thousand baht and I pretty sure when it was reported it caused outrage because monks are not suppose to handle money. Maybe someone can expand but if it's true why could he can one of the 200 or so to count it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 You do have some problems reading and understanding I guess. Nowhere does it say that 200 people were to be put in 10 rooms, only that 10 rooms were booked for farmers to stay overnight. BTW between the two sentences in the last paragraph you quote the original had "The abbot also showed booking documents they printed on the Internet to show to the guards but were still not allowed to enter. The abbot said after the check-in he would also book seminar room to hold seminar for farmers who were expected to arrive and join today." http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/705771-luang-poo-buddha-issara-rejected-check-in-at-sc-park-hotel/ Follow-up in http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/705937-sc-park-hotel-pays-rallying-monk-buddha-issara-bt120000-in-compensation/ http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/706733-voice-tv-agrees-to-apologise-to-buddha-issara-and-farmers/ There was a "slight" disproportion between the compensation and the deposit and/or the room rate. Never knew Thai hotels to be so free with refunds, not to mention over-compensation. Do you have details on that 'slight' disproportion, or just a few assumptions? Note that compensation by a hotel anywhere seems directly related to the (negative) publicity around a case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Wasn't he filmed or photographed counting the 120 thousand baht and I pretty sure when it was reported it caused outrage because monks are not suppose to handle money. Maybe someone can expand but if it's true why could he can one of the 200 or so to count it. Moral outrage on an assumption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 If he were a true monk he would not behave as such it is merely a disguise !! it is against Sangha Rules to be engaged in politics - either side he is a disgrace to Buddhism EDIT: no monks should be engaged in politics and so I condemn those at the red shirt rally just as much (being a fair poster lol) Could you please indicate which specific rules from the Vinaya Pitaka?. Thank You Gentle reminder: Those of you who are questioning the suitability of Phra Issara to wear the robes, could you please indicate which of the 227 rules of the Buddhist monks (Vinaya Pitaka) is he breaking? Thank You. Not an expert on rules pertaining to the conduct of Buddhist monks in Thailand, and I do recognize that not all are strictly followed and that there are various non-mainstream groups. That said, the actual handling of money is not something a monk is supposed to be engaged in. I know many do, or bypass this by placing some cloth as to "not touch" the money, but... On a personal level, I believe that in certain situations a monk's involvement in social or political matters is not a bad thing. Especially as many of the issues plaguing Thailand got to do with a certain deterioration of morals. However, I do feel that some of Budhha Issara's style might stretch what is considered appropriate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 You do have some problems reading and understanding I guess. Nowhere does it say that 200 people were to be put in 10 rooms, only that 10 rooms were booked for farmers to stay overnight. BTW between the two sentences in the last paragraph you quote the original had "The abbot also showed booking documents they printed on the Internet to show to the guards but were still not allowed to enter. The abbot said after the check-in he would also book seminar room to hold seminar for farmers who were expected to arrive and join today." http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/705771-luang-poo-buddha-issara-rejected-check-in-at-sc-park-hotel/ Follow-up in http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/705937-sc-park-hotel-pays-rallying-monk-buddha-issara-bt120000-in-compensation/ http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/706733-voice-tv-agrees-to-apologise-to-buddha-issara-and-farmers/ There was a "slight" disproportion between the compensation and the deposit and/or the room rate. Never knew Thai hotels to be so free with refunds, not to mention over-compensation. Do you have details on that 'slight' disproportion, or just a few assumptions? Note that compensation by a hotel anywhere seems directly related to the (negative) publicity around a case Suite at the SC Park is 3-5k, rooms 2-3k. Full rate of 10 rooms does not even come close to 120k If that's not good enough for you: The monk yesterday led a group of protesters to SC Park Hotel on Praditmanutham Road, having paid a Bt4,200 deposit. The hotel is owned by SC Asset Corp. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/SC-Park-Hotel-pays-rallying-monk-30227374.html As for publicity....the hotel paid a huge compensation and still got the publicity. I don't think that's quite the issue here. Having 200 demonstrators in their lobby might have been more relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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