New role eyed for Prem

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New role eyed for Prem
The Nation



Group asks statesman to broker drafting of covenant; process would not involve Article 7

BANGKOK: -- Privy Council President Prem Tinsulanonda should act as a mediator to broker between authorities in all sectors to draft a covenant under Royal command on how the country is to be ruled in times of crisis, a group of retired prominent bureaucrats proposed yesterday.

Former supreme commander Saiyud Kerdphol, the leader of the group, which calls itself "Rattha Bukkon", or "Man of the State", said that once the covenant was issued, the public was expected to accept it. Saiyud did not say whether the covenant would lead to reform, or whether his group's proposal was in support of the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), which is pushing an agenda of reform prior to the next general election.

"Our role is to advise on who in society would take which roles. The content of the covenant would be decided by the people who would take over," he said at a press conference titled "The Way Out for Thailand: When [Prime Minister] Yingluck Is Illegitimate to Govern, Both Legally and Practically" held at a Bangkok hotel.

Retired General Saiyud said Prem had been informed of the proposal that he take on the mediator role, in the form of a written request and published articles, but he had not yet given a reply. Saiyud stressed that this mediator role was a position that would not exercise the King's power under the Constitution's Article 7.

The group regard General Prem as a statesman whose status is not merely ceremonial, but carries with it a duty to serve the country and the King under his royal command. On this basis they want him to commence the process of issuing a covenant, as the country is in trouble, Saiyud said. "We wish to see Statesman Prem broker between authorities in all sectors including the judiciary, the military and social leaders, to work out a covenant for the King to endorse," he added.

He said his group's proposal was immediately actionable, as the country had endured enough hardship. "Even [if] the PDRC's reform is implemented and leads to the setting up of a new government after the election, the other side would likely begin to resist it and repeat what the PDRC has done, which would lead to the country's crisis continuing," he said.

Saiyud said independent academic Pramote Nakhonthap - who attended the session - had coordinated between Prem and the group. Pramote repeated later that his group's proposal would not encroach on the King's authority, or create any difficulties for him.

The dean of the National Institute of Development Administration's Faculty of Law, Banjerd Singkaneti, said the group's proposal could be implemented prior to a political vacuum, such as the current stalemate, actually developing, although another option was available - exercising Article 7 through a Senate speaker after such a vacuum developed. "Whichever way leads to success, I think all efforts are welcome from members of the public to come up with initiatives to find a way out in the meantime," he added.

Also present at the event were retired deputy Air Force chief-of-staff ACM Therdsak Sajjaraksa, former National Housing Authority governor Prasai Songsuwet.

Pheu Thai sources said earlier that fugitive de-facto party leader Thaksin Shinawatra had instructed party legal advisers to fight to ensure that even if future rulings are made against caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra or the party's policies, Pheu Thai could remain in power with a deputy premier or another cabinet member carrying on the government's caretaker status.

The sources said Thaksin ordered that a general election had to be held as quickly as possible, with a member of the Shinawatra family as the candidate of Pheu Thai party. The sources visited Thaksin in Hong Kong last week, but only told reporters of Thaksin's orders yesterday.

According to the sources, Thaksin does not expect there to be a coup, or that there will be any violence, because the red shirts in general and the Pheu Thai-allied United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship in particular would not stage any public gatherings near those of rival political groups.

Meanwhile, Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva dismissed caretaker Justice Minister Chaikasem Nitisiri’s idea of seeking a royal judgement in case of a political vacuum.

Such a practice was inappropriate towards the monarchy and would not be possible, he said.

A proposal that he himself had made under Article 7 when he was in power was different in many ways from Chaikasem's. Hee had asked in 2006 that Thaksin and his Cabinet resign, and for Thaksin to later request a royally appointed prime minister.

The proposal stemmed from public demand and the anti-Thaksin movement, and that he had not endorsed the move.


-- The Nation 2014-04-15

[GeorgeO]

The writing appears to be on the wall for YL when they are already planning what to do after her dismissal, and with the most extreme hardliners now running for cover, it would appear that Songkran hasn't turned out too bad at all this year...!

[rametindallas]

Prem Tinsulanonda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prem_Tinsulanonda

After all the demonizing of Prem after the 2006 coup and Prem being accused of pulling the strings of the mysterious 'third hand'. I can't see how Gen. Prem can be effective in this role (nor will Thaksin accept him) and that is why I think he will refuse to be the mediator. Dr. Thaksin will not accept anything less than one of his puppets being in charge and Suthep, who may be to only man in Thailand as stubborn as Thaksin, will not accept any Thaksin puppets in a future government. I am not saying this is democratic in any way, as both men abhor democracy. Dr. Thaksin has approached Suthep several times wanting to cut a secret, back-room deal but Suthep remains adamant on public discussions of the future of democracy in Thailand; besides, he can't trust Thaksin to abide by any secret deals. Would you?

So, Thailand will plod along with nothing changing except the days of the calendar until something dramatic happens. I expect the courts will precipitate the only changes in the near future.

[binjalin]

now 6 letters ... starts with an 'A' and ends in a 'T'

[Fryslan boppe]

"....or whether his group's proposal was in support of the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), which is pushing an agenda of reform prior to the next general election"

Wow, don't these people realize this guy is a "red flag walking" to an electoral majority who accuse him of having a major role in the 2006 coup caper, and of political interference the last 10 years that has severely curtailed development of Democracy.....No amount of Elitist aggrandizement changes that...It just pee's them off when they see it......Additionally, are there only so-called "Statesmen" on one side of the political divide?

Amazing how out-of-touch and insulated these people are, to propose such a thing....Obviously insulated within their own Elitist circles......

To even float any political notion related to governance that isn't electorally rooted, is a coup.......When will these people realize their un-Democratic musings just inflames the majority electorate more. ...Catering to their minority is a losing proposition.

Also, suggesting this is some sort of unknown grouping suggesting this thing, is just some more phony DP segmentation effort...But in reality, different groups-same faces.

They are probably among the crowd who can only demonize major swaths of the electorate as not being of their station, and therefore not given credit for any degree of Politicization. By denigrating them as being uni-dimensionally attached to Thaksin and or only 'moved' to political stuff for money, they diminish any hope of electoral success anytime soon.

That said, the quote "(PDRC), which is pushing an agenda of reform prior to the next general election"....really ought to be "reform themselves, before the next election" if they have any hope of making electoral progress.

But their Elitist arrogance prevents them from seeing beyond their nose in this regard.

Edited April 15, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[kurtgruen]

Remember, things all started years ago, when Thaksin tried to get rid of Khun Prem's office. That was the beginning of the end for Thaksin.

[Tatsujin]

"....or whether his group's proposal was in support of the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), which is pushing an agenda of reform prior to the next general election"

Wow, don't these people realize this guy is a "red flag walking" to an electoral majority who accuse him of having a major role in the 2006 coup caper, and of political interference the last 10 years that has severely curtailed development of Democracy.....No amount of Elitist aggrandizement changes that...It just pee's them off when they see it......Additionally, are there only so-called "Statesmen" on one side of the political divide?

Amazing how out-of-touch and insulated these people are, to propose such a thing....Obviously insulated within their own Elitist circles......

To even float any political notion related to governance that isn't electorally rooted, is a coup.......When will these people realize their un-Democratic musings just inflames the majority electorate more. ...Catering to their minority is a losing proposition.

Also, suggesting this is some sort of unknown grouping suggesting this thing, is just some more phony DP segmentation effort...But in reality, different groups-same faces.

They are probably among the crowd who can only demonize major swaths of the electorate as not being of their station, and therefore not given credit for any degree of Politicization. By denigrating them as being uni-dimensionally attached to Thaksin and or only 'moved' to political stuff for money, they diminish any hope of electoral success anytime soon.

That said, the quote "(PDRC), which is pushing an agenda of reform prior to the next general election"....really ought to be "reform themselves, before the next election" if they have any hope of making electoral progress.

But their Elitist arrogance prevents them from seeing beyond their nose in this regard.

Wow, you should write for Khaosod or another paper . . . love that political rhetoric, and in this case I (kind of) agree, Prem is NOT the best choice as he is NOT independent and doesn't have a great track history.

However, putting that aside for one moment, can we finally put one thing to bed, who is actually running this country currently, it's Thaksin from afar:

Pheu Thai sources said earlier that fugitive de-facto party leader Thaksin Shinawatra had instructed party legal advisers to fight to ensure that even if future rulings are made against caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra or the party's policies, Pheu Thai could remain in power with a deputy premier or another cabinet member carrying on the government's caretaker status.

The sources said Thaksin ordered that a general election had to be held as quickly as possible, with a member of the Shinawatra family as the candidate of Pheu Thai party. The sources visited Thaksin in Hong Kong last week, but only told reporters of Thaksin's orders yesterday.

[OMGImInPattaya]

That old ammart fossil is still around? Why not just let the old guy die in peace.

[erobando]

Remember, things all started years ago, when Thaksin tried to get rid of Khun Prem's office. That was the beginning of the end for Thaksin.

I think Thaksin's attempted power moves against Prem are too often forgetten... the role in T's ouster is certain overlooked in foreing media's coverage of the Thai politics despite the battle lines in the power struggles still being the same today.

Take out the central people involved in the fight and what is everyone fighting for? Certainly not policy or anything of importance to people outside a few elites on all sides.

Also, the press conference has a great name... I'm sure that will help gain support for their "neutral" proposal.

[espinoza]

Dr Thaksin ???? Is he a doctor also now ? I what field ?

[Artisi]

Dr Thaksin ???? Is he a doctor also now ? I what field ?

Supposedly a Phd in law - but like everything the fugitive does or wants done -- probably paid for.

Edited April 15, 2014 by Artisi

[Fryslan boppe]

"....or whether his group's proposal was in support of the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), which is pushing an agenda of reform prior to the next general election"

Wow, don't these people realize this guy is a "red flag walking" to an electoral majority who accuse him of having a major role in the 2006 coup caper, and of political interference the last 10 years that has severely curtailed development of Democracy.....No amount of Elitist aggrandizement changes that...It just pee's them off when they see it......Additionally, are there only so-called "Statesmen" on one side of the political divide?

Amazing how out-of-touch and insulated these people are, to propose such a thing....Obviously insulated within their own Elitist circles......

To even float any political notion related to governance that isn't electorally rooted, is a coup.......When will these people realize their un-Democratic musings just inflames the majority electorate more. ...Catering to their minority is a losing proposition.

Also, suggesting this is some sort of unknown grouping suggesting this thing, is just some more phony DP segmentation effort...But in reality, different groups-same faces.

They are probably among the crowd who can only demonize major swaths of the electorate as not being of their station, and therefore not given credit for any degree of Politicization. By denigrating them as being uni-dimensionally attached to Thaksin and or only 'moved' to political stuff for money, they diminish any hope of electoral success anytime soon.

That said, the quote "(PDRC), which is pushing an agenda of reform prior to the next general election"....really ought to be "reform themselves, before the next election" if they have any hope of making electoral progress.

But their Elitist arrogance prevents them from seeing beyond their nose in this regard.

Wow, you should write for Khaosod or another paper . . . love that political rhetoric, and in this case I (kind of) agree, Prem is NOT the best choice as he is NOT independent and doesn't have a great track history.

However, putting that aside for one moment, can we finally put one thing to bed, who is actually running this country currently, it's Thaksin from afar:

Pheu Thai sources said earlier that fugitive de-facto party leader Thaksin Shinawatra had instructed party legal advisers to fight to ensure that even if future rulings are made against caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra or the party's policies, Pheu Thai could remain in power with a deputy premier or another cabinet member carrying on the government's caretaker status.

The sources said Thaksin ordered that a general election had to be held as quickly as possible, with a member of the Shinawatra family as the candidate of Pheu Thai party. The sources visited Thaksin in Hong Kong last week, but only told reporters of Thaksin's orders yesterday.

"....can we finally put one thing to bed, who is actually running this country currently, it's Thaksin from afar..."

And is that a problem?....Either him and his electorally-based political elements are running the country, or the 2006 coup-makers are. They were rejected by the electorate, in spite of their best efforts to justify their power grab by demonizing Thaksin.

One side has electoral legitimacy, the other does not. What is it about that, which people don't understand?

There, we put it to bed.

[Tatsujin]

"....or whether his group's proposal was in support of the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), which is pushing an agenda of reform prior to the next general election"

Wow, don't these people realize this guy is a "red flag walking" to an electoral majority who accuse him of having a major role in the 2006 coup caper, and of political interference the last 10 years that has severely curtailed development of Democracy.....No amount of Elitist aggrandizement changes that...It just pee's them off when they see it......Additionally, are there only so-called "Statesmen" on one side of the political divide?

Amazing how out-of-touch and insulated these people are, to propose such a thing....Obviously insulated within their own Elitist circles......

To even float any political notion related to governance that isn't electorally rooted, is a coup.......When will these people realize their un-Democratic musings just inflames the majority electorate more. ...Catering to their minority is a losing proposition.

Also, suggesting this is some sort of unknown grouping suggesting this thing, is just some more phony DP segmentation effort...But in reality, different groups-same faces.

They are probably among the crowd who can only demonize major swaths of the electorate as not being of their station, and therefore not given credit for any degree of Politicization. By denigrating them as being uni-dimensionally attached to Thaksin and or only 'moved' to political stuff for money, they diminish any hope of electoral success anytime soon.

That said, the quote "(PDRC), which is pushing an agenda of reform prior to the next general election"....really ought to be "reform themselves, before the next election" if they have any hope of making electoral progress.

But their Elitist arrogance prevents them from seeing beyond their nose in this regard.

Wow, you should write for Khaosod or another paper . . . love that political rhetoric, and in this case I (kind of) agree, Prem is NOT the best choice as he is NOT independent and doesn't have a great track history.

However, putting that aside for one moment, can we finally put one thing to bed, who is actually running this country currently, it's Thaksin from afar:

Pheu Thai sources said earlier that fugitive de-facto party leader Thaksin Shinawatra had instructed party legal advisers to fight to ensure that even if future rulings are made against caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra or the party's policies, Pheu Thai could remain in power with a deputy premier or another cabinet member carrying on the government's caretaker status.

The sources said Thaksin ordered that a general election had to be held as quickly as possible, with a member of the Shinawatra family as the candidate of Pheu Thai party. The sources visited Thaksin in Hong Kong last week, but only told reporters of Thaksin's orders yesterday.

"....can we finally put one thing to bed, who is actually running this country currently, it's Thaksin from afar..."

And is that a problem?....Either him and his electorally-based political elements are running the country, or the 2006 coup-makers are. They were rejected by the electorate, in spite of their best efforts to justify their power grab by demonizing Thaksin.

One side has electoral legitimacy, the other does not. What is it about that, which people don't understand?

There, we put it to bed.

Thank you for agreeing that Thaksin is actually running this country, finally.

The problem is, he's a convicted criminal on the run, and no one voted for him.

You don't see a problem in that?

[Fryslan boppe]

Remember, things all started years ago, when Thaksin tried to get rid of Khun Prem's office. That was the beginning of the end for Thaksin.

I think Thaksin's attempted power moves against Prem are too often forgetten... the role in T's ouster is certain overlooked in foreing media's coverage of the Thai politics despite the battle lines in the power struggles still being the same today.

Take out the central people involved in the fight and what is everyone fighting for? Certainly not policy or anything of importance to people outside a few elites on all sides.

Also, the press conference has a great name... I'm sure that will help gain support for their "neutral" proposal.

"Take out the central people involved in the fight and what is everyone fighting for?"

One side is fighting to preserve Electoral and Parliamentary Democracy. The other one for a "Civilian Dictatorship"...I thought that was clear to everyone.

The coup advocates keep trying to frame this political thing as being between a limited number of people, and trying to "out" that bothersome electoral and Parliamentrat governing majority.

Certainly the Lumpini minority is trying desperately to do that with their "Civilian Dictatorship" dream.

But you notice they are hesitating.....Afraid to pull that coup trigger.

[Fryslan boppe]

"....or whether his group's proposal was in support of the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), which is pushing an agenda of reform prior to the next general election"

Wow, don't these people realize this guy is a "red flag walking" to an electoral majority who accuse him of having a major role in the 2006 coup caper, and of political interference the last 10 years that has severely curtailed development of Democracy.....No amount of Elitist aggrandizement changes that...It just pee's them off when they see it......Additionally, are there only so-called "Statesmen" on one side of the political divide?

Amazing how out-of-touch and insulated these people are, to propose such a thing....Obviously insulated within their own Elitist circles......

To even float any political notion related to governance that isn't electorally rooted, is a coup.......When will these people realize their un-Democratic musings just inflames the majority electorate more. ...Catering to their minority is a losing proposition.

Also, suggesting this is some sort of unknown grouping suggesting this thing, is just some more phony DP segmentation effort...But in reality, different groups-same faces.

They are probably among the crowd who can only demonize major swaths of the electorate as not being of their station, and therefore not given credit for any degree of Politicization. By denigrating them as being uni-dimensionally attached to Thaksin and or only 'moved' to political stuff for money, they diminish any hope of electoral success anytime soon.

That said, the quote "(PDRC), which is pushing an agenda of reform prior to the next general election"....really ought to be "reform themselves, before the next election" if they have any hope of making electoral progress.

But their Elitist arrogance prevents them from seeing beyond their nose in this regard.

Wow, you should write for Khaosod or another paper . . . love that political rhetoric, and in this case I (kind of) agree, Prem is NOT the best choice as he is NOT independent and doesn't have a great track history.

However, putting that aside for one moment, can we finally put one thing to bed, who is actually running this country currently, it's Thaksin from afar:

Pheu Thai sources said earlier that fugitive de-facto party leader Thaksin Shinawatra had instructed party legal advisers to fight to ensure that even if future rulings are made against caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra or the party's policies, Pheu Thai could remain in power with a deputy premier or another cabinet member carrying on the government's caretaker status.

The sources said Thaksin ordered that a general election had to be held as quickly as possible, with a member of the Shinawatra family as the candidate of Pheu Thai party. The sources visited Thaksin in Hong Kong last week, but only told reporters of Thaksin's orders yesterday.

"....can we finally put one thing to bed, who is actually running this country currently, it's Thaksin from afar..."

And is that a problem?....Either him and his electorally-based political elements are running the country, or the 2006 coup-makers are. They were rejected by the electorate, in spite of their best efforts to justify their power grab by demonizing Thaksin.

One side has electoral legitimacy, the other does not. What is it about that, which people don't understand?

There, we put it to bed.

Thank you for agreeing that Thaksin is actually running this country, finally.

The problem is, he's a convicted criminal on the run, and no one voted for him.

You don't see a problem in that?

"The problem is, he's a convicted criminal on the run, and no one voted for him.

You don't see a problem in that?"

Not the least bit.

The only crowd who sees that Thaksin court thing as anything other than politically motivated, and part of the Thaksin demonization campaign I referenced, are those trying to 'normalize the abnormal" today, with respect to the judiciary and Ind. Org's.

There is an attempt to reprise this whole thing now, using many of the same tactics as were used in 2006.....Although they are trying to be more subtle now......By not using the military, they hope to obscure their intentions from an International audience.

That little add-on via edit, about no-one voting for Thaksin is folderol....He was duly elected until the unelectable Elites "unelected him" in 2006....His association with the last election was huge and transparent...The electorate governed themselves accordingly.....They are quite happy to see his influence, and voted for it....Only the electorally-challenged PAD-Dem's are unhappy......But blinded to the need to "reform themselves before an election".

Edited April 15, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[Just1Voice]

Dr Thaksin ???? Is he a doctor also now ? I what field ?

He received a master's degree in Criminal Justice from Eastern Kentucky University in the United States in 1975, and three years later was awarded a doctorate in Criminal Justice at Sam Houston State University in Texas

[chainarong]

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Prem Tinsulanonda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prem_Tinsulanonda

After all the demonizing of Prem after the 2006 coup and Prem being accused of pulling the strings of the mysterious 'third hand'. I can't see how Gen. Prem can be effective in this role (nor will Thaksin accept him) and that is why I think he will refuse to be the mediator. Dr. Thaksin will not accept anything less than one of his puppets being in charge and Suthep, who may be to only man in Thailand as stubborn as Thaksin, will not accept any Thaksin puppets in a future government. I am not saying this is democratic in any way, as both men abhor democracy. Dr. Thaksin has approached Suthep several times wanting to cut a secret, back-room deal but Suthep remains adamant on public discussions of the future of democracy in Thailand; besides, he can't trust Thaksin to abide by any secret deals. Would you?

So, Thailand will plod along with nothing changing except the days of the calendar until something dramatic happens. I expect the courts will precipitate the only changes in the near future.

Totally agree, a throw back to the Junta days, is just not what Thailand needs, they need someone from the 21st century, the history of Prem ,is one of conflict.

[Tatsujin]

Wow, you should write for Khaosod or another paper . . . love that political rhetoric, and in this case I (kind of) agree, Prem is NOT the best choice as he is NOT independent and doesn't have a great track history.

However, putting that aside for one moment, can we finally put one thing to bed, who is actually running this country currently, it's Thaksin from afar:

Pheu Thai sources said earlier that fugitive de-facto party leader Thaksin Shinawatra had instructed party legal advisers to fight to ensure that even if future rulings are made against caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra or the party's policies, Pheu Thai could remain in power with a deputy premier or another cabinet member carrying on the government's caretaker status.

The sources said Thaksin ordered that a general election had to be held as quickly as possible, with a member of the Shinawatra family as the candidate of Pheu Thai party. The sources visited Thaksin in Hong Kong last week, but only told reporters of Thaksin's orders yesterday.

"....can we finally put one thing to bed, who is actually running this country currently, it's Thaksin from afar..."

And is that a problem?....Either him and his electorally-based political elements are running the country, or the 2006 coup-makers are. They were rejected by the electorate, in spite of their best efforts to justify their power grab by demonizing Thaksin.

One side has electoral legitimacy, the other does not. What is it about that, which people don't understand?

There, we put it to bed.

Thank you for agreeing that Thaksin is actually running this country, finally.

The problem is, he's a convicted criminal on the run, and no one voted for him.

You don't see a problem in that?

"The problem is, he's a convicted criminal on the run, and no one voted for him.

You don't see a problem in that?"

Not the least bit.

The only crowd who sees that Thaksin court thing as anything other than politically motivated, and part of the Thaksin demonization campaign I referenced, are those trying to 'normalize the abnormal" today, with respect to the judiciary and Ind. Org's.

There is an attempt to reprise this whole thing now, using many of the same tactics as were used in 2006.....Although they are trying to be more subtle now......By not using the military, they hope to obscure their intentions from an International audience.

That little add-on via edit, about no-one voting for Thaksin is folderol....He was duly elected until the unelectable Elites "unelected him" in 2006....His association with the last election was huge and transparent...The electorate governed themselves accordingly.....They are quite happy to see his influence, and voted for it....Only the electorally-challenged PAD-Dem's are unhappy......But blinded to the need to "reform themselves before an election".

You don't see a problem in someone running a country that wasn't elected, interesting, and I love your attempts to rewrite history once again. So blind. So sad. I'll let all the other convicted criminals on the run worldwide know that it's not a problem, you can rape and pillage to your hearts content, be convicted, but still run a country even though they weren't on the ballot. They'll be so happy.

So, did Thaksin do ANYTHING illegal prior to his conviction in your blinkered tiny little mind? Or is he completely innocent of all charges?

By the way, the only attempt to reprise/rewrite anything just now are your attempts to whitewash Thaksin and PT of any wrongdoing and your attempts to legitimize his criminal actions. Thankfully, the "majority" of the sane people in Thailand can see through it.

[laocowboy2]

"....or whether his group's proposal was in support of the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), which is pushing an agenda of reform prior to the next general election"

Wow, don't these people realize this guy is a "red flag walking" to an electoral majority who accuse him of having a major role in the 2006 coup caper, and of political interference the last 10 years that has severely curtailed development of Democracy.....No amount of Elitist aggrandizement changes that...It just pee's them off when they see it......Additionally, are there only so-called "Statesmen" on one side of the political divide?

Amazing how out-of-touch and insulated these people are, to propose such a thing....Obviously insulated within their own Elitist circles......

To even float any political notion related to governance that isn't electorally rooted, is a coup.......When will these people realize their un-Democratic musings just inflames the majority electorate more. ...Catering to their minority is a losing proposition.

Also, suggesting this is some sort of unknown grouping suggesting this thing, is just some more phony DP segmentation effort...But in reality, different groups-same faces.

They are probably among the crowd who can only demonize major swaths of the electorate as not being of their station, and therefore not given credit for any degree of Politicization. By denigrating them as being uni-dimensionally attached to Thaksin and or only 'moved' to political stuff for money, they diminish any hope of electoral success anytime soon.

That said, the quote "(PDRC), which is pushing an agenda of reform prior to the next general election"....really ought to be "reform themselves, before the next election" if they have any hope of making electoral progress.

But their Elitist arrogance prevents them from seeing beyond their nose in this regard.

Make that 30 years rather than ten - certainly ever since I have been visiting Thailand.

[Tatsujin]

Remember, things all started years ago, when Thaksin tried to get rid of Khun Prem's office. That was the beginning of the end for Thaksin.

I think Thaksin's attempted power moves against Prem are too often forgetten... the role in T's ouster is certain overlooked in foreing media's coverage of the Thai politics despite the battle lines in the power struggles still being the same today.

Take out the central people involved in the fight and what is everyone fighting for? Certainly not policy or anything of importance to people outside a few elites on all sides.

Also, the press conference has a great name... I'm sure that will help gain support for their "neutral" proposal.

"Take out the central people involved in the fight and what is everyone fighting for?"

One side is fighting to preserve Electoral and Parliamentary Democracy. The other one for a "Civilian Dictatorship"...I thought that was clear to everyone.

The coup advocates keep trying to frame this political thing as being between a limited number of people, and trying to "out" that bothersome electoral and Parliamentrat governing majority.

Certainly the Lumpini minority is trying desperately to do that with their "Civilian Dictatorship" dream.

But you notice they are hesitating.....Afraid to pull that coup trigger.

I'll counter your (incorrect) "civilian dictatorship" with the current "Thaksin Dictatorship/Kleptocracy".

[webfact]

Call for Thai senior statesman to help resolve political stalemate
By English News



BANGKOK, April 15 – A group of respected older Thai citizens has called on Privy Council President Prem Tinsulanonda to take the leading role in seeking a royal command to resolve Thailand’s months-long political impasse.

Former supreme commander Saiyud Kerdpol said the current political crisis could be resolved by the power of His Majesty the King as in cases in the past, including the October 14, 1973 student uprising and the 1992 Black May events.

Gen Saiyud gave a press conference on “Resolutions for Thailand” together with Pramote Nakornthap, independent academic, Terdsak Sajjaraksa, former deputy air force commander, and Prasai Songsuravej, former governor of the National Housing Authority.

They identified themselves as members of the “State Individual Group.”

Gen Saiyud said the King’s charisma will lead Thailand through the political crisis but His Majesty has to stay away from politics.

“In this case, Gen Prem who is in the prestigious position of Thailand’s senior statesman should be the pillar for the judiciary, military and society by presenting a royal command for HM the King’s endorsement,” he said.

Gen Saiyud said he believed that Thai society will accept a royal command as in the past, adding that the royal command is different to that proposed in accord with Section 7 of the Constitution.

Caretaker Justice Minister Chaikasem Nitisiri earlier proposed that His Majesty could be asked to exercise his power as stipulated in Section 7 of the Constitution in case of a political vacuum.

Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is currently awaiting two crucial rulings – one from the National Anti-Corruption Commission concerning her role in the rice pledging scheme and the other from the Constitutional Court on the transfer of National Security Council chief Thawil Pliensri. If found guilty, she could be removed from power.

Mr Pramote said the older citizens’ proposal was by no means a move to disturb HM the King.

Bancherd Singkaneti, rector of the Faculty of Law, National Institute for Development Administration, described it as one of several proposed resolutions for the country.

Whether the group should wait until the country is plunged into a political vacuum or not before making the proposal, he said, is subject, a matter of opinion. (MCOT online news)


-- TNA 2014-04-15

[geriatrickid]

Prem won't be do anything. He's 90+ years old. As spry as he is, how many 90 year olds do you know who have the energy and acuity to draft and present such a document? The truth is that the old guard, the people who have pulled the strings all along will set the agenda and write the "covenant".

Prem will serve as the public face for a sinister plot that will seek to once again rob the Thai electorate to choose for itself at the ballot box.

Let the people decide in an election. The EC has done all it can to prevent one. The former Democrat deputy PM and chief organizer for the party Suthep has successfully sabotage all attempts at holding an election, the military has refused to allow the police to take the necessary steps to ensure polling and Abhisit and his Democrats have intentionally done all they can to discourage participation of the voters in an election.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Dr Thaksin ???? Is he a doctor also now ? I what field ?

Criminology!!!!! Yes, it's true!!

[OMGImInPattaya]

Call for Thai senior statesman to help resolve political stalemate

By English News

BANGKOK, April 15 A group of respected older Thai citizens has called on Privy Council President Prem Tinsulanonda to take the leading role in seeking a royal command to resolve Thailands months-long political impasse.

Former supreme commander Saiyud Kerdpol said the current political crisis could be resolved by the power of His Majesty the King as in cases in the past, including the October 14, 1973 student uprising and the 1992 Black May events.

Gen Saiyud gave a press conference on Resolutions for Thailand together with Pramote Nakornthap, independent academic, Terdsak Sajjaraksa, former deputy air force commander, and Prasai Songsuravej, former governor of the National Housing Authority.

They identified themselves as members of the State Individual Group.

Gen Saiyud said the Kings charisma will lead Thailand through the political crisis but His Majesty has to stay away from politics.

In this case, Gen Prem who is in the prestigious position of Thailands senior statesman should be the pillar for the judiciary, military and society by presenting a royal command for HM the Kings endorsement, he said.

Gen Saiyud said he believed that Thai society will accept a royal command as in the past, adding that the royal command is different to that proposed in accord with Section 7 of the Constitution.

Caretaker Justice Minister Chaikasem Nitisiri earlier proposed that His Majesty could be asked to exercise his power as stipulated in Section 7 of the Constitution in case of a political vacuum.

Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is currently awaiting two crucial rulings one from the National Anti-Corruption Commission concerning her role in the rice pledging scheme and the other from the Constitutional Court on the transfer of National Security Council chief Thawil Pliensri. If found guilty, she could be removed from power.

Mr Pramote said the older citizens proposal was by no means a move to disturb HM the King.

Bancherd Singkaneti, rector of the Faculty of Law, National Institute for Development Administration, described it as one of several proposed resolutions for the country.

Whether the group should wait until the country is plunged into a political vacuum or not before making the proposal, he said, is subject, a matter of opinion. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2014-04-15

Why not just let the Thai people work out their political differences in a democratic manner through elections. There is no need to tread them like children, and be lead around like children by Prem or any other "elder statesmen."

[SICHONSTEVE]

Call for Thai senior statesman to help resolve political stalemate

By English News

BANGKOK, April 15 A group of respected older Thai citizens has called on Privy Council President Prem Tinsulanonda to take the leading role in seeking a royal command to resolve Thailands months-long political impasse.

Former supreme commander Saiyud Kerdpol said the current political crisis could be resolved by the power of His Majesty the King as in cases in the past, including the October 14, 1973 student uprising and the 1992 Black May events.

Gen Saiyud gave a press conference on Resolutions for Thailand together with Pramote Nakornthap, independent academic, Terdsak Sajjaraksa, former deputy air force commander, and Prasai Songsuravej, former governor of the National Housing Authority.

They identified themselves as members of the State Individual Group.

Gen Saiyud said the Kings charisma will lead Thailand through the political crisis but His Majesty has to stay away from politics.

In this case, Gen Prem who is in the prestigious position of Thailands senior statesman should be the pillar for the judiciary, military and society by presenting a royal command for HM the Kings endorsement, he said.

Gen Saiyud said he believed that Thai society will accept a royal command as in the past, adding that the royal command is different to that proposed in accord with Section 7 of the Constitution.

Caretaker Justice Minister Chaikasem Nitisiri earlier proposed that His Majesty could be asked to exercise his power as stipulated in Section 7 of the Constitution in case of a political vacuum.

Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is currently awaiting two crucial rulings one from the National Anti-Corruption Commission concerning her role in the rice pledging scheme and the other from the Constitutional Court on the transfer of National Security Council chief Thawil Pliensri. If found guilty, she could be removed from power.

Mr Pramote said the older citizens proposal was by no means a move to disturb HM the King.

Bancherd Singkaneti, rector of the Faculty of Law, National Institute for Development Administration, described it as one of several proposed resolutions for the country.

Whether the group should wait until the country is plunged into a political vacuum or not before making the proposal, he said, is subject, a matter of opinion. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2014-04-15

Why not just let the Thai people work out their political differences in a democratic manner through elections. There is no need to tread them like children, and be lead around like children by Prem or any other "elder statesmen."

Tried that..........didn't work!!!!

[OMGImInPattaya]

Call for Thai senior statesman to help resolve political stalemate

By English News

BANGKOK, April 15 A group of respected older Thai citizens has called on Privy Council President Prem Tinsulanonda to take the leading role in seeking a royal command to resolve Thailands months-long political impasse.

Former supreme commander Saiyud Kerdpol said the current political crisis could be resolved by the power of His Majesty the King as in cases in the past, including the October 14, 1973 student uprising and the 1992 Black May events.

Gen Saiyud gave a press conference on Resolutions for Thailand together with Pramote Nakornthap, independent academic, Terdsak Sajjaraksa, former deputy air force commander, and Prasai Songsuravej, former governor of the National Housing Authority.

They identified themselves as members of the State Individual Group.

Gen Saiyud said the Kings charisma will lead Thailand through the political crisis but His Majesty has to stay away from politics.

In this case, Gen Prem who is in the prestigious position of Thailands senior statesman should be the pillar for the judiciary, military and society by presenting a royal command for HM the Kings endorsement, he said.

Gen Saiyud said he believed that Thai society will accept a royal command as in the past, adding that the royal command is different to that proposed in accord with Section 7 of the Constitution.

Caretaker Justice Minister Chaikasem Nitisiri earlier proposed that His Majesty could be asked to exercise his power as stipulated in Section 7 of the Constitution in case of a political vacuum.

Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is currently awaiting two crucial rulings one from the National Anti-Corruption Commission concerning her role in the rice pledging scheme and the other from the Constitutional Court on the transfer of National Security Council chief Thawil Pliensri. If found guilty, she could be removed from power.

Mr Pramote said the older citizens proposal was by no means a move to disturb HM the King.

Bancherd Singkaneti, rector of the Faculty of Law, National Institute for Development Administration, described it as one of several proposed resolutions for the country.

Whether the group should wait until the country is plunged into a political vacuum or not before making the proposal, he said, is subject, a matter of opinion. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2014-04-15

Why not just let the Thai people work out their political differences in a democratic manner through elections. There is no need to tread them like children, and be lead around like children by Prem or any other "elder statesmen."

Tried that..........didn't work!!!!

It was working fine, thank you.

[sweatalot]

"....or whether his group's proposal was in support of the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), which is pushing an agenda of reform prior to the next general election"

Wow, don't these people realize this guy is a "red flag walking" to an electoral majority who accuse him of having a major role in the 2006 coup caper, and of political interference the last 10 years that has severely curtailed development of Democracy.....No amount of Elitist aggrandizement changes that...It just pee's them off when they see it......Additionally, are there only so-called "Statesmen" on one side of the political divide?

Amazing how out-of-touch and insulated these people are, to propose such a thing....Obviously insulated within their own Elitist circles......

To even float any political notion related to governance that isn't electorally rooted, is a coup.......When will these people realize their un-Democratic musings just inflames the majority electorate more. ...Catering to their minority is a losing proposition.

Also, suggesting this is some sort of unknown grouping suggesting this thing, is just some more phony DP segmentation effort...But in reality, different groups-same faces.

They are probably among the crowd who can only demonize major swaths of the electorate as not being of their station, and therefore not given credit for any degree of Politicization. By denigrating them as being uni-dimensionally attached to Thaksin and or only 'moved' to political stuff for money, they diminish any hope of electoral success anytime soon.

That said, the quote "(PDRC), which is pushing an agenda of reform prior to the next general election"....really ought to be "reform themselves, before the next election" if they have any hope of making electoral progress.

But their Elitist arrogance prevents them from seeing beyond their nose in this regard.

Wow, you should write for Khaosod or another paper . . . love that political rhetoric, and in this case I (kind of) agree, Prem is NOT the best choice as he is NOT independent and doesn't have a great track history.

However, putting that aside for one moment, can we finally put one thing to bed, who is actually running this country currently, it's Thaksin from afar:

Pheu Thai sources said earlier that fugitive de-facto party leader Thaksin Shinawatra had instructed party legal advisers to fight to ensure that even if future rulings are made against caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra or the party's policies, Pheu Thai could remain in power with a deputy premier or another cabinet member carrying on the government's caretaker status.

The sources said Thaksin ordered that a general election had to be held as quickly as possible, with a member of the Shinawatra family as the candidate of Pheu Thai party. The sources visited Thaksin in Hong Kong last week, but only told reporters of Thaksin's orders yesterday.

Interesting. Can the source be named?

Otherwise I have to consider this just fiction

[SICHONSTEVE]

Call for Thai senior statesman to help resolve political stalemate

By English News

BANGKOK, April 15 A group of respected older Thai citizens has called on Privy Council President Prem Tinsulanonda to take the leading role in seeking a royal command to resolve Thailands months-long political impasse.

Former supreme commander Saiyud Kerdpol said the current political crisis could be resolved by the power of His Majesty the King as in cases in the past, including the October 14, 1973 student uprising and the 1992 Black May events.

Gen Saiyud gave a press conference on Resolutions for Thailand together with Pramote Nakornthap, independent academic, Terdsak Sajjaraksa, former deputy air force commander, and Prasai Songsuravej, former governor of the National Housing Authority.

They identified themselves as members of the State Individual Group.

Gen Saiyud said the Kings charisma will lead Thailand through the political crisis but His Majesty has to stay away from politics.

In this case, Gen Prem who is in the prestigious position of Thailands senior statesman should be the pillar for the judiciary, military and society by presenting a royal command for HM the Kings endorsement, he said.

Gen Saiyud said he believed that Thai society will accept a royal command as in the past, adding that the royal command is different to that proposed in accord with Section 7 of the Constitution.

Caretaker Justice Minister Chaikasem Nitisiri earlier proposed that His Majesty could be asked to exercise his power as stipulated in Section 7 of the Constitution in case of a political vacuum.

Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is currently awaiting two crucial rulings one from the National Anti-Corruption Commission concerning her role in the rice pledging scheme and the other from the Constitutional Court on the transfer of National Security Council chief Thawil Pliensri. If found guilty, she could be removed from power.

Mr Pramote said the older citizens proposal was by no means a move to disturb HM the King.

Bancherd Singkaneti, rector of the Faculty of Law, National Institute for Development Administration, described it as one of several proposed resolutions for the country.

Whether the group should wait until the country is plunged into a political vacuum or not before making the proposal, he said, is subject, a matter of opinion. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2014-04-15

Why not just let the Thai people work out their political differences in a democratic manner through elections. There is no need to tread them like children, and be lead around like children by Prem or any other "elder statesmen."

Tried that..........didn't work!!!!

It was working fine, thank you.

Is it really??

Who won the Feb 2nd election then??

[JoeThePoster]

A group of respected older Thai citizens...

Hope everyone's got the memo to respect them.

[rametindallas]

Dr Thaksin ???? Is he a doctor also now ? I what field ?

He earned a doctorate in Criminal Justice at Sam Houston State University in Texas

Edited April 15, 2014 by rametindallas