AverageAussie Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Notice that the Troll OP is not commenting to clear any of this up> +1 There is too little information to form an opinion... as yet. My gut feeling (and that of several others that have posted) is that the friend wasn't thrown into jail - but DETAINED at the airport. There's a big difference. If the friend had gone past immigration when all this happened, that's what I would EXPECT to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachproperty Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 (edited) Since she was waiting for a plane ....I assume she went through all the check points etc. AND then fell asleep (lesson learned ....don't fall asleep ANYWHERE unless your goods are protected!) As for the police taking her into custody.....she was in a secure zone without identification....so they held her till could be proven otherwise....I think the same would happen anywhere in the world ...I for one am glad the police did their job for once. Sorry to hear it happened ....And sorry to be so harsh but the idiot here seems to be your friend and NOT the Thai authorities as you so quickly assume. No it wouldn't In Heathrow they would just let her go She would NOT be locked up It doesnt happen everywhere in the world Only countries in SE Asia, central Africa and parts of southern America Guess you never saw the Tom Hanks movie "The Terminal" He basicly was kept prisoner in the Airport Terminal in the US because he had an invalid passport so he couldn't enter the US nor could he fly out.(Circumstances here are that she had NO passport ....stolen supposedly) Based on a true story. Granted not the same treatment as OP suggests .....but I believe he has exaggerated her circumstances or is unaware of the true nature of her detainment as it was told to him by a friend of a friend...(she probably was held in a holding room (same as what the US did to Tom Hanks in the movie to verify his status)) So it is you who is wrong I believe...Detainment does happen and I'm sure it happens at Heathrow too.......if you have personal experience of FACTS would love to hear them..... Edited April 20, 2014 by beachproperty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire and ice Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 If she was at the gate or past ecurit sreneing then then there would be security footage from about a dzoen cameras that would have cuaght the theif. Outside the security zone only 6 or 7 cameras coverign every angle. Surely the authorities woud first have looked at the footage? Or TiT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Why does everyone assume she was in as "Secure" area of the airport? The ticket counter will not issue boarding passes prior to 4 hours before the flight and I have seen counters not open until closer to 2 hours before the flight. Without a boarding pass you cannot get through Security. Thats why every bench in the non-secure area of the airport is always occupied by a sleeping farang. They saved on the expense of a hotel and just crashed at the airport until they could get their boarding pass. Just about anyone is allowed in those areas, especially the lowest level where the Skytrain entrance/exit is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Why does everyone assume she was in as "Secure" area of the airport? The ticket counter will not issue boarding passes prior to 4 hours before the flight and I have seen counters not open until closer to 2 hours before the flight. Without a boarding pass you cannot get through Security. Thats why every bench in the non-secure area of the airport is always occupied by a sleeping farang. They saved on the expense of a hotel and just crashed at the airport until they could get their boarding pass. Just about anyone is allowed in those areas, especially the lowest level where the Skytrain entrance/exit is. We will likely never know. The OP was back online earlier today, probably had a good laugh at this thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon11 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Great Head Line Fact is she was not locked more having her passport stolen she ws place in the lock up because she had NO means of indentification they will always put in custody until the matter is sorted out.........ALL she had to do was call the embassy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amerasian Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 That's bullshit.anyone who agrees with that is a lunatic. She was in the airport. I'm sure its monitored by cctv. And the thieves were airport employees that's why she was locked up till they could reset. She would have been monitored showing her docs at security. Another Thailand scam is all this is. One call to her embassy and some verification with imagration would have cleared her....you don't throw visitors in jail come on. Thais are their own word enemy I swear.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkok2013 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 the Airport authorities didn't do their jobs . i don't blame the girl.shit happens! and the birth certificate ,,,,,to get a passport,,,,,they have all that on computer these days ,what is the Emabassy here for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonthaburial Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 I really cannot understand why people can continue to argue the pros and cons on this subject when it has been agreed there is not enough info forthcoming and the OP has gone to ground. I and others have attempted to sensibly explain how such a situation can occur, only for morons, class 1,2 and 3 start bringing the price of prostitutions into the scenario. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maipenraika Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Poo dee ungrit, rather difficult when your locked up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totster Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Poo dee ungrit, rather difficult when your locked up I agree, luckily the lady in question is not locked up now. totster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apiwan Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 You say thrown in jail. But please define that. If I done the same in any country I would expect to be detained. So what's with the land of idiots ??? The only idiot seems to be your friend. :-) Sent from my SM-N9005 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commercial HEO2 Diver Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 The embassy will be able to issue travel documents.Lost, Stolen, Inaccessible, Damaged or Found PassportsIf your passport has been lost or stolen, you need to report it immediately to the passport issuing office nearest you. If the loss/theft occurred in Thailand, Cambodia, Laos or Burma (Myanmar), please notify the nearest Canadian or Australian office or send an e-mail to [email protected] and an Operations Officer at the Emergency Watch and Response Centre in Ottawa will assist you. Officers are available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. For each lost/stolen passport, you must report the matter to the nearest police station and obtain a detailed police report. You will be required to submit the original police report in support of your application. After reporting the lost/stolen passport to our office or to the Operations Officers, and to the police, you can begin preparing an application form for issuance of a new passport if you need to travel.How to Apply for a Replacement PassportA person who is applying for a replacement of a Canadian passport that was lost, stolen, inaccessible, damaged or found must: Complete application form and follow the instructions:www.ppt.gc.ca/planification/203.aspx?lang=eng The required fee. Please note that we are unable to accept credit card payment at this time. Note: If you are not in possession of an original proof of citizenship (a birth certificate for applicants born in Canada or citizenship certificate for applicants born outside of Canada), a family member or friend can submit on your behalf the document at the nearest Passport Office in Canada or Canadian Office abroad (with your file number). http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/thailand-thailande/consular_services_consulaires/passport_services_passeport.aspx?lang=eng What a bunch of Dweeby self importance ... She's Stupid. Period. Love your roadmap-to-a-resolution, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuang Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Who is the idiot here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colabamumbai Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 (edited) Canadian Embassy +66 0 2636 0540 026464300 Hope this is of some help... [email protected] www.thailand.gc.ca Edited April 20, 2014 by Colabamumbai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchai Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 "Never heard of pickpockets at airports in Thailand"....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Seems a bit strange, every spot of the airport is covered by surveillance cameras, what prevent the authorities from checking to see what really happened there??? just common sense... How come this post was so popular? I guess some forgot that this is the same system of airport surveillance cameras that allowed a young German chap to 'escape' from his escorts and slip into Thailand almost a year ago, WITHOUT ANY PASSPORT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Nixon Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 mrjih and beach property you are obviously American and anti - Canadian. If you had been locked up or one of your infallible American friends had been locked up you would be screaming murder. I know. I lived and worked in America. I have learned a valuable lesson. I will not ever report a loss of ID to the local authorities or even the Thai Immigration department. Rather I will hightail it to the Canadian Embassy and let them know about this incident which I am sure they are well aware of by this time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happysanook Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Hopefully she has contacted the Canadian Embassy by now. But stop to think about it, if you woke up in a foreign airport with no ID, no Money, no way of proving who you are, what do you think the authorities are going to do? That's life and unfortunately it's on her. This might be one of the dumbest things I've read today. Justifying in any manner putting someone in jail for not having ID when they go to authorities to report stolen ID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happysanook Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 mrjih and beach property you are obviously American and anti - Canadian. If you had been locked up or one of your infallible American friends had been locked up you would be screaming murder. I know. I lived and worked in America. I have learned a valuable lesson. I will not ever report a loss of ID to the local authorities or even the Thai Immigration department. Rather I will hightail it to the Canadian Embassy and let them know about this incident which I am sure they are well aware of by this time. Look at the pot calling the kettle black. You're obviously Canadian and anti-USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Nixon Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 The same would not have happened anywhere in the world because i had all my ID stolen in Beijing ( pick pockets at the airport ) . The police did nothing to me or for me besides recording it. That is the main purpose of reporting it so there is a record. Still I would go to the Canadian Embassy first in Thailand and get their advice and assistance in reporting to the police. Keep a copy of your passport in a place separate from your travel documents. Consider even keeping a copy with a friend. Certainly save your old passport but not in the same location as your current passport. Believe me when I say it is a major embarrassment to lose all your ID through no fault of your own. Everyone falls asleep sometime and to say it is the persons fault for falling asleep is ridiculous. It is obviously the victims fault for being raped or the victims fault for being held up at gunpoint. That is just so many levels of ignorant I cannot even begin to describe it. I had $1600 stolen in Bali and I knew who did it. I reported to the police there and they said it was my fault for being rich while the guilty party was not as rich and they did nothing about it. Basically if you are looking for justice in SE Asia , you are on your own. Just one simple example in Thailand; how many speeders or red light jumpers have you seen stopped by the police. So anything more serious happening to you do not expect any justice but justice is evasive in Canada too. The police are right on top of you if you transgress but do almost nothing if you are a victim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanlic Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 No doubt there are rules that cover this kind of event. Sure we can all feel sorry for the girl but in this day and age all airports are on alert. Let's not forget what happened recently and if it means someone has to be locked up until they can be 100% the person is genuine then so be it. Ok she approached them but if the big boss says when this happens you do that then you do it. The unfortunate thing about following rules you are not allowed to use your own discretion....you do as you are told because if it goes wrong then you are the one for the high jump. Rules make fools a lot of the time these days thanks to Osama and his band of merry men.........but better safe than sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutch2usa Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 A whole story is fishy. Last May I was at swampy and walked away from my trolley and by the time I got back all my possessions were gone. I was on my way to America. I contacted security and both the security guards and the airport police were extremely helpful. They filled out a police report so I could get a new passport, checked the security cameras but found there was no camera in that particular area, and did everything in their power to assist me. I had a few hundred baht to get transportation back to Pattaya. They realized that losing my possessions was hard enough, and did everything in their power to make by experience with security and police as pleasant as possible. Very honestly, this whole series of posts is a waste of time because I'm positive what has been described did not happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 immigration take your picture when you pass through. Iam sure she could have identified herself there. Doesn't it fall on the authorities who would have her photo/record on file? How I was raised is one treats people as innocent until proven a crime was committed and if within a business context with excellent customer service... It seems that neither happened... CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 (edited) MOD, Unless this thread was started in an attempt to identify morons--Please lock thread. The OP did not provide enough detail to allow an informed opinion and has not checked back in since starting thread. Edited April 20, 2014 by ClutchClark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaleboneman Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Try looking at it from a different angle and viewpoint, and try to understand the difficulties here. To start with you have not identified the nationality of the so called victim, although you have said your friends are Canadian. Nor have you said whether she was flying domestic or international. If the victim was non Thai and flying internationally, then it is understandable that she would have to be prevented from flying due to the fact she had no passport and effectively she could not have cleared immigration at her intended destination. She would have been refused entry and her carrier would be legally bound to fly her back to Bangkok. So the obvious course of action would be for her to go to her embassy in Thailand to get an emergency passport, but hold on, how can she re enter Thailand without her passport or any form of ID ? Next best thing and less of an hassle for authorities is to hold her at Swampy and get an embassy official to the airport, to issue an emergency passport. The use of the word jail is from you, it's more than likely she was placed in a relatively comfortable holding facility. But at the end of the day, it will teach her to be vigilant in future. This is false. When she arrived in Canada she could make a verbal declaration of citizenship and be interviewed to establish her citizenship of declaration. That's what a passport IS; a document in lieu of verbal declaration. The request for expediency, implicit or explicit in the passport is what makes it easier to travel with one than without. Not a chance. Airline would be responsible to return her to Thailand if Canada didn't let her in. That is why they would not let her fly without passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowgard Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 What a bs!!! If she inside of the security Zone and report her stolen passport to the police they will not need longer than 10 minuten to check her ID. We are in the computer time!!! She just tell the normal stuff Name, birthdate, country, flight no. and they see she direct on the Computer. At next they connect the canadian embassy and let send a id check with fax. If everything is ok she can fly direct!!! And everywhere in the Airport the security cameras check the places where people sit or sleep. Just for the luggage thiefs. Smell like death fishs!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaVisionBurma Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 Comment on moderation has been removed. The thread is under review. Some advice - if you can't post without baiting someone, being inflammatory or getting upset then head elsewhere. If you are going to comment, then keep it civil and mature. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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