'Thai politicians threatening farmers'

[Dr Bruce]

Is this the money that Suthep collected to give the Farmers?

Is this the 30M Baht he said he collected?

Or the 25 M Baht he gave to his friends the lawyers?

Suthep is not interested in helping the Farmers, he just wants to create as many problems for Yinluck and the PTP as possible.

Throw out a smoke screen about Suthep, who has nothing to do with the op topic, nor the predicment PTP have gotten themselves into. as well as the rice farmers. Threats, lies, promises based on maybe and if. and then, give us/me time, be patient, I/we are doing the best we can, this government is made up of the most capable people avaliable, etc. When this fails deny responsibility, then publish the number of wannabe rambos you have in training camps, force cancellation of concerts/entertainment by those who support the opposition.

Suthep does not need to waste time creating problems for PTP, they have created more than they, the judical, and the Thai people can handle in a orderly fashion and seem hell bent on adding to their list of screw ups.

Suthep has everything to do with the OP topic. The OP topic is the lawyers that were given the money that Suthep collected to give to the farmers, who are now complaining that the farmers are withdrawing the legal cases.

The lawyers are claiming intimidation but cannot give any numbers.

Suthep gave the money to the lawyers to cause problems for PTP, this sham press release is just part of what he paid for.

Your rant about Rambo and concerts is off topic.

Edited April 21, 2014 by Dr Bruce

[Pimay1]

Everyone involved in the "rice pledge scam" should do prison time...a national disgrace...screwing the poorest of the poor...

In my opinion mistreating the poor is one of the lowest forms of humanity. And even a lower form of humanity if someone mistreats the poor for personal gain.

[Dr Bruce]

This intimidation is to be expected.

It is not dissimilar to the red shirts that intimidated the farmers when they wanted to protest. Very similar in fact to the red shirts that put up signs at farmer muster points that read “Democracy..No Hooligans Blockading Highway”, and “Don't not come to make trouble in this area.”

Similar as well to Chatree Ampoon who broke down in tears which was contagious as other innocent farmers broke down as well upon hearing by phone from his wife that red shirts intimidated her and threatened her with violence if she didn't stop protesting.

Look at the below photo of a women that has not been paid for rice, cannot pay her debts, cannot plant her next crop to allow her and her family to eat, cannot make payments on her tractor, has lost her self respect and pride and her only single democratic avenue she can take to be heard is to simply, respectfully, non violently protest and plead / beg for payments only to be denounced, intimidated, threatened with violence, greeted with signs that say they are hooligans. This OP highlights the stance taken on anyone that goes against the PTP ethos. Now imagine for one minute that you were in this situation this poor lady was in and you had no options left and money was donated by Suthep via the good hearted people in Bangkok to appoint lawyers to fight for you and the lawyers get intimidated and withdraw claims. Now imagine being in that position and someone denounces you or simply overlooks your plight yet still defends the regime by denouncing Suthep for collecting the money and denounces the newspaper for writing the story. This highlights the slip into fundamental fanaticism is slow, but pronounced. People eventually become the very essence of what they purport to denounce.

I look at this lady below and I don't try to think of excuses to justify her treatment, I don't state an agenda driven response to denounce it. If this woman was a victim of a DEM rice scheme I can be assured that as night follows day the fanatics on TVF would not be attacking the newspaper or mentioning Suthep. They would have an appropriate agenda driven response to attack the DEM's.

If she was a victim of a DEM scheme I would state the same thing above lest I become the very hated, heartless demon that uses the guise of democracy to perpetrate acts of violence and intimidation I do so despise.

Hi Jamie,

Do you think that legal action will speed payments or slow them?

[MGP]

You sign a legal sales contract with a government.

The government refuses to pay.

You sue the government, only to learn- in return the government don’t pay you alt all.

I wonder what Mr. Amsterdam, the legal advisor of the dear leader would suggest for the farmers in such a case.

Farmers don't have mega-dollars to receive any suggestions from Amsterdam. Although he has always pictured Thaksin as the "protector of the poor rural classes of Thailand", he only works for the rich and powerful clients.

Not even Fryslan Boppe would be able to justify this gestapo-like behavior from the government. Dr Buce is restlessly trying it, but he's being pathetic.

Edited April 21, 2014 by MGP

[rebelplatoon]

But I dont understand. . I thought it was a struggle of the rich (represented by the poorest politicians, the Dems) against the poor (the farmers). Not the PTP against the poor. I am soooo confused now. .

[Scamper]

Intimidation that has really gone out of control. Is there a breaking point as to how many farmers, protesters, civil servants, commissioners and courts can be intimidated ? Surely there is a saturation point ? What seems to be happening, although, is that Pheu Thai is hurtling towards such a point. Intimidation has a very successful track record. But is it a track record that can simply exponentially increase - with no limits ? Is there not a breaking point ? Well, it is not a hypothetical. There would not have been unrest in the country since October if there hadn't been. The push-back from intimidation has already started. Pheu Thai and the UDD will always succeed in intimidating many, many people. But at a certain point, people will say no.

People have begun to say no.

[ianf]

My wife's family are farmers. My wife loves Thailand but does not want to live in a country where corruption is so endemic and where people are getting their own way through bullying and intimidation. This is the kind of society, she tells me, that Thaksin has created. She does not understand why farangs come here and support Thaksin on this forum when they have no knowledge whatsoever of how his scams work and how he has divided people. As with many country people she and her family understand what is happening and have been fully supporting Suthep in his endeavours to change society. That does not mean that they support Suthep, but they certainly support his peaceful actions.

[Morch]

Is this the money that Suthep collected to give the Farmers?

Is this the 30M Baht he said he collected?

Or the 25 M Baht he gave to his friends the lawyers?

Suthep is not interested in helping the Farmers, he just wants to create as many problems for Yinluck and the PTP as possible.

Throw out a smoke screen about Suthep, who has nothing to do with the op topic, nor the predicment PTP have gotten themselves into. as well as the rice farmers. Threats, lies, promises based on maybe and if. and then, give us/me time, be patient, I/we are doing the best we can, this government is made up of the most capable people avaliable, etc. When this fails deny responsibility, then publish the number of wannabe rambos you have in training camps, force cancellation of concerts/entertainment by those who support the opposition.

Suthep does not need to waste time creating problems for PTP, they have created more than they, the judical, and the Thai people can handle in a orderly fashion and seem hell bent on adding to their list of screw ups.

Suthep has everything to do with the OP topic. The OP topic is the lawyers that were given the money that Suthep collected to give to the farmers, who are now complaining that the farmers are withdrawing the legal cases.

The lawyers are claiming intimidation but cannot give any numbers.

Suthep gave the money to the lawyers to cause problems for PTP, this sham press release is just part of what he paid for.

Your rant about Rambo and concert is off topic.

Granted that Suthep's motives in collecting the legal aid money were not entirely altruistic. Suthep certainly intended to cause legal problems for the government, tarnish the government's image and get extra PR points.

That Suthep might gain politically from politicians (or other people supporting the government) intimidation of farmers, does not make it his doing, nor does it necessarily imply that the report is bogus. There were other reports of intimidation directed at rice farmers, regarding legal action and demonstrations against the government.

[tingtongteesood]

Is this the money that Suthep collected to give the Farmers?

Is this the 30M Baht he said he collected?

Or the 25 M Baht he gave to his friends the lawyers?

Suthep is not interested in helping the Farmers, he just wants to create as many problems for Yinluck and the PTP as possible.

Congratulations Dr. B on being the first one in this thread to attempt to defend these morons...although it was really quite a miserable attempt...!!

1. How does this have anything to do with Suthep, apart from the fact that he raised money to help the farmers through their difficult period?

2. Do you seriously believe that Yinluck (sic) and the PTP need any help in creating problems for themselves...?

You, dear Dr, will need to try a great deal harder than this...!!

I thought Dr.'s were supposed to be well educated. Ah well.....

[Morch]

This intimidation is to be expected.

It is not dissimilar to the red shirts that intimidated the farmers when they wanted to protest. Very similar in fact to the red shirts that put up signs at farmer muster points that read “Democracy..No Hooligans Blockading Highway”, and “Don't not come to make trouble in this area.”

Similar as well to Chatree Ampoon who broke down in tears which was contagious as other innocent farmers broke down as well upon hearing by phone from his wife that red shirts intimidated her and threatened her with violence if she didn't stop protesting.

Look at the below photo of a women that has not been paid for rice, cannot pay her debts, cannot plant her next crop to allow her and her family to eat, cannot make payments on her tractor, has lost her self respect and pride and her only single democratic avenue she can take to be heard is to simply, respectfully, non violently protest and plead / beg for payments only to be denounced, intimidated, threatened with violence, greeted with signs that say they are hooligans. This OP highlights the stance taken on anyone that goes against the PTP ethos. Now imagine for one minute that you were in this situation this poor lady was in and you had no options left and money was donated by Suthep via the good hearted people in Bangkok to appoint lawyers to fight for you and the lawyers get intimidated and withdraw claims. Now imagine being in that position and someone denounces you or simply overlooks your plight yet still defends the regime by denouncing Suthep for collecting the money and denounces the newspaper for writing the story. This highlights the slip into fundamental fanaticism is slow, but pronounced. People eventually become the very essence of what they purport to denounce.

I look at this lady below and I don't try to think of excuses to justify her treatment, I don't state an agenda driven response to denounce it. If this woman was a victim of a DEM rice scheme I can be assured that as night follows day the fanatics on TVF would not be attacking the newspaper or mentioning Suthep. They would have an appropriate agenda driven response to attack the DEM's.

If she was a victim of a DEM scheme I would state the same thing above lest I become the very hated, heartless demon that uses the guise of democracy to perpetrate acts of violence and intimidation I do so despise.

Hi Jamie,

Do you think that legal action will speed payments or slow them?

Why would legal action slow the payments?

If the government was to pay all debts today, most cases will be dropped or dismissed.

[Dr Bruce]

This intimidation is to be expected.

It is not dissimilar to the red shirts that intimidated the farmers when they wanted to protest. Very similar in fact to the red shirts that put up signs at farmer muster points that read “Democracy..No Hooligans Blockading Highway”, and “Don't not come to make trouble in this area.”

Similar as well to Chatree Ampoon who broke down in tears which was contagious as other innocent farmers broke down as well upon hearing by phone from his wife that red shirts intimidated her and threatened her with violence if she didn't stop protesting.

Look at the below photo of a women that has not been paid for rice, cannot pay her debts, cannot plant her next crop to allow her and her family to eat, cannot make payments on her tractor, has lost her self respect and pride and her only single democratic avenue she can take to be heard is to simply, respectfully, non violently protest and plead / beg for payments only to be denounced, intimidated, threatened with violence, greeted with signs that say they are hooligans. This OP highlights the stance taken on anyone that goes against the PTP ethos. Now imagine for one minute that you were in this situation this poor lady was in and you had no options left and money was donated by Suthep via the good hearted people in Bangkok to appoint lawyers to fight for you and the lawyers get intimidated and withdraw claims. Now imagine being in that position and someone denounces you or simply overlooks your plight yet still defends the regime by denouncing Suthep for collecting the money and denounces the newspaper for writing the story. This highlights the slip into fundamental fanaticism is slow, but pronounced. People eventually become the very essence of what they purport to denounce.

I look at this lady below and I don't try to think of excuses to justify her treatment, I don't state an agenda driven response to denounce it. If this woman was a victim of a DEM rice scheme I can be assured that as night follows day the fanatics on TVF would not be attacking the newspaper or mentioning Suthep. They would have an appropriate agenda driven response to attack the DEM's.

If she was a victim of a DEM scheme I would state the same thing above lest I become the very hated, heartless demon that uses the guise of democracy to perpetrate acts of violence and intimidation I do so despise.

Hi Jamie,

Do you think that legal action will speed payments or slow them?

Why would legal action slow the payments?

If the government was to pay all debts today, most cases will be dropped or dismissed.

The government will not be able to finish paying the farmers until after they are re-elected.

[SOTIRIOS]

...hooliganism....

...hope they don't turn around and vote for them again based on more charades, empty promises and 'schemes'.....

[soundman]

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[djjamie]

This intimidation is to be expected.

It is not dissimilar to the red shirts that intimidated the farmers when they wanted to protest. Very similar in fact to the red shirts that put up signs at farmer muster points that read “Democracy..No Hooligans Blockading Highway”, and “Don't not come to make trouble in this area.”

Similar as well to Chatree Ampoon who broke down in tears which was contagious as other innocent farmers broke down as well upon hearing by phone from his wife that red shirts intimidated her and threatened her with violence if she didn't stop protesting.

Look at the below photo of a women that has not been paid for rice, cannot pay her debts, cannot plant her next crop to allow her and her family to eat, cannot make payments on her tractor, has lost her self respect and pride and her only single democratic avenue she can take to be heard is to simply, respectfully, non violently protest and plead / beg for payments only to be denounced, intimidated, threatened with violence, greeted with signs that say they are hooligans. This OP highlights the stance taken on anyone that goes against the PTP ethos. Now imagine for one minute that you were in this situation this poor lady was in and you had no options left and money was donated by Suthep via the good hearted people in Bangkok to appoint lawyers to fight for you and the lawyers get intimidated and withdraw claims. Now imagine being in that position and someone denounces you or simply overlooks your plight yet still defends the regime by denouncing Suthep for collecting the money and denounces the newspaper for writing the story. This highlights the slip into fundamental fanaticism is slow, but pronounced. People eventually become the very essence of what they purport to denounce.

I look at this lady below and I don't try to think of excuses to justify her treatment, I don't state an agenda driven response to denounce it. If this woman was a victim of a DEM rice scheme I can be assured that as night follows day the fanatics on TVF would not be attacking the newspaper or mentioning Suthep. They would have an appropriate agenda driven response to attack the DEM's.

If she was a victim of a DEM scheme I would state the same thing above lest I become the very hated, heartless demon that uses the guise of democracy to perpetrate acts of violence and intimidation I do so despise.

Hi Jamie,

Do you think that legal action will speed payments or slow them?

When we have an OP about the PTP explaining to the lawyers that legal action will slow payments and asking them to drop the law suits then I will answer that question.

I will stay on topic however which is about the PTP intimidating and threatening lawyers to drop law suits lest they receive no money at all.

Your response epitomizes the point I was making though and I thank you for highlighting that no matter how evil or morally wrong some actions are by the PTP there will be excuses or in your case a "made up" interpretation to allow yourself to believe the PTP have done nothing wrong in intimidating farmers representatives.

Thanks again for inadvertently proving my point. It is quite funny actually because it reminds me of Somchai stating that the red shirts are "rude, low and wild" and the red shirts then prove him right by reacting to his statement by being rude, low and wild.

I know how Somchai feels now. SMUG!

[Artisi]

their voter base dwindles by the week..carry on the good work ptp..anyone going to defend them on here today..

Think we can expect the usual along at some time, blaming the yellows, fascists, amart, Suthep, and Uncle Tom Cobley and all.

Added. This was posted prior to looking thru the full post and prior to the defence starting up.

Edited April 21, 2014 by Artisi

[Artisi]

Perhaps PTP should adopt a new election-slogan ... "Vote PTP ... and Thaksin will Think About Paying You for Last-Year's Rice !"

Nah, it'll be a picture of Jatuporn and "If you know what's good for you, vote PTP"

Doubt it could ever be so elegantly put as that. Using their normal soft approach it will be

"Vote for us -- or else",

[Morch]

Hi Jamie,

Do you think that legal action will speed payments or slow them?

Why would legal action slow the payments?

If the government was to pay all debts today, most cases will be dropped or dismissed.

The government will not be able to finish paying the farmers until after they are re-elected.

The legal action taken by the farmers have little to do with re-election.

The legal difficulties threatening the PTP government are the ones to do with the NACC rice scheme probe and Tawil's case.

The government could not make the payments on time when they were in power, even before Suthep started the protests.

[issanaus]

Hi Jamie,

Do you think that legal action will speed payments or slow them?

Why would legal action slow the payments?

If the government was to pay all debts today, most cases will be dropped or dismissed.

The government will not be able to finish paying the farmers until after they are re-elected.

The legal action taken by the farmers have little to do with re-election.

The legal difficulties threatening the PTP government are the ones to do with the NACC rice scheme probe and Tawil's case.

The government could not make the payments on time when they were in power, even before Suthep started the protests.

Or maybe the could and wanted to ensure that the farmers got them re elected - no they would not do any thing to hurt farmers, especially the poorest and least empowered of all.

Or would they?

[SICHONSTEVE]

This intimidation is to be expected.

It is not dissimilar to the red shirts that intimidated the farmers when they wanted to protest. Very similar in fact to the red shirts that put up signs at farmer muster points that read “Democracy..No Hooligans Blockading Highway”, and “Don't not come to make trouble in this area.”

Similar as well to Chatree Ampoon who broke down in tears which was contagious as other innocent farmers broke down as well upon hearing by phone from his wife that red shirts intimidated her and threatened her with violence if she didn't stop protesting.

Look at the below photo of a women that has not been paid for rice, cannot pay her debts, cannot plant her next crop to allow her and her family to eat, cannot make payments on her tractor, has lost her self respect and pride and her only single democratic avenue she can take to be heard is to simply, respectfully, non violently protest and plead / beg for payments only to be denounced, intimidated, threatened with violence, greeted with signs that say they are hooligans. This OP highlights the stance taken on anyone that goes against the PTP ethos. Now imagine for one minute that you were in this situation this poor lady was in and you had no options left and money was donated by Suthep via the good hearted people in Bangkok to appoint lawyers to fight for you and the lawyers get intimidated and withdraw claims. Now imagine being in that position and someone denounces you or simply overlooks your plight yet still defends the regime by denouncing Suthep for collecting the money and denounces the newspaper for writing the story. This highlights the slip into fundamental fanaticism is slow, but pronounced. People eventually become the very essence of what they purport to denounce.

I look at this lady below and I don't try to think of excuses to justify her treatment, I don't state an agenda driven response to denounce it. If this woman was a victim of a DEM rice scheme I can be assured that as night follows day the fanatics on TVF would not be attacking the newspaper or mentioning Suthep. They would have an appropriate agenda driven response to attack the DEM's.

If she was a victim of a DEM scheme I would state the same thing above lest I become the very hated, heartless demon that uses the guise of democracy to perpetrate acts of violence and intimidation I do so despise.

Hi Jamie,

Do you think that legal action will speed payments or slow them?

Why would legal action slow the payments?

If the government was to pay all debts today, most cases will be dropped or dismissed.

The government will not be able to finish paying the farmers until after they are re-elected.

Abhisit would ensure that they receive their money. They didn't have any problems with his rice scheme, did they!!

[than]

In the end, these farmers are not sure to see their money. Legal case could be help them to secure their money return with compensation, but PTP not want this

[Old Man River]

I read elsewhere this morning that the BAAC has been deducting the loans that some of the farmers have taken out from the bank to tide them over from the money they were paid for their rice

In some cases leaving the farmers with only a few thousand baht, not even enough to pay off the loan sharks.

It certainly has turned into a scheme to keep the poor in line.

But not to worry come next election PT will promise to continue the rice pledging scheme and the rice farmers will vote for them out of hope that it might work this time.

Debt forgiveness always seems to work well and no reason to come out of pocket anymore than has already been provided. Hence, debt forgiveness is my bet.

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[manstr23]

Dr. Bruce

"The government will not be able to finish paying the farmers until after they are re-elected."

Are you an official Government spokes person now. We all had a suspicion that you are part of this bunch of thieves.

[Morch]

My estimate is that we have about 30+ pro-government posters on this side, my guess would be that half are on it to deflect any negative action of this "caretaker" government and doing it for compensation, for the lobbyist Robert Armstrong and other invested parties. For what other reason would any intelligent and/or companionate human being defend these lying thieves.

Hey now...Some do it for the lulz

[Morch]

I read elsewhere this morning that the BAAC has been deducting the loans that some of the farmers have taken out from the bank to tide them over from the money they were paid for their rice

In some cases leaving the farmers with only a few thousand baht, not even enough to pay off the loan sharks.

It certainly has turned into a scheme to keep the poor in line.

But not to worry come next election PT will promise to continue the rice pledging scheme and the rice farmers will vote for them out of hope that it might work this time.

Debt forgiveness always seems to work well and no reason to come out of pocket anymore than has already been provided. Hence, debt forgiveness is my bet.

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Like Thaksin said: Forgive and forget (about it)...

[slapout]

Dr. Bruce

"The government will not be able to finish paying the farmers until after they are re-elected."

Are you an official Government spokes person now. We all had a suspicion that you are part of this bunch of thieves.

Ask every one of this bunch of government flakes to take out a billion baht life insurance with benifits going to the Ag bank as acting trustee of funds to be paid to the farmers.who have not been paid. The remaining funds go into to the rice program deficit and just think of all the problems that would be solved.

[Dr Bruce]

Dr. Bruce

"The government will not be able to finish paying the farmers until after they are re-elected."

Are you an official Government spokes person now. We all had a suspicion that you are part of this bunch of thieves.

Sorry, I could have been clearer. Since the government decided to step down and renew it's mandate with the people of Thailand, it has been ham-strung by the anti-democratic groups. The government has been unable to transfer funds between departments and has been stopped from borrowing money to pay the farmers.

The EC has now said that they will allow elections in 3 months 9too long in my opinion0. When Thailand returns to democracy, the PTP will be able to pay the farmers.

I am,of course, not part of the government all opinions I state are my own.

[Robby nz]

only

I read elsewhere this morning that the BAAC has been deducting the loans that some of the farmers have taken out from the bank to tide them over from the money they were paid for their rice

In some cases leaving the farmers with only a few thousand baht, not even enough to pay off the loan sharks.

It certainly has turned into a scheme to keep the poor in line.

But not to worry come next election PT will promise to continue the rice pledging scheme and the rice farmers will vote for them out of hope that it might work this time.

Debt forgiveness always seems to work well and no reason to come out of pocket anymore than has already been provided. Hence, debt forgiveness is my bet.


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Considered that one but the problem is it will leave the BAAC out of pocket and they made it clear that they are only agents of the Govt and will only pay out money to the farmers that the Govt has paid them, they are also charging the Govt for that service.

There is also the problem that the farmers debts are not only to Govt banks but to commercial banks and loan sharks and it would take a lot of sorting out who owes what to who.

Forgiving of farmers credit card debt could be on but the taxi drivers also have them and they would want the same deal and not all farmers have the credit cards.

Whatever, it will leave the tax payer out of pocket.

In the Feb fiasco PT came out with very little to zilch policy, 'only will carry on as before' but they had no effective opposition then so they didn't have to.

If the Dems contest the next election then PT or whoever replaces them will have to state policy so we wait to see what the great thinker in Dubai or his teams of advisors (surely no sane person believes he thinks everything up himself) come up with.

Meanwhile whoever gets to form a Govt will pay the farmers as a priority and I hope they will also compensate for the interest incurred because of PT's incompetence.

[Morch]

Dr. Bruce

"The government will not be able to finish paying the farmers until after they are re-elected."

Are you an official Government spokes person now. We all had a suspicion that you are part of this bunch of thieves.

Sorry, I could have been clearer. Since the government decided to step down and renew it's mandate with the people of Thailand, it has been ham-strung by the anti-democratic groups. The government has been unable to transfer funds between departments and has been stopped from borrowing money to pay the farmers.

The EC has now said that they will allow elections in 3 months 9too long in my opinion0. When Thailand returns to democracy, the PTP will be able to pay the farmers.

I am,of course, not part of the government all opinions I state are my own.

The payment (or rather, non-payment) of debts related to the rice scheme predates the government's stepping down.

They could, and should have made arrangements for proper funds being available before going into care-taker status.

That is, unless they either don't have the money, or do not care.

The PDRC got nothing to do with the government being "ham-strung", nor does the EC. Being care-taker government implies certain well known limitations, doubtful that the PTP wasn't aware of them. The decision to step down was made by the government.

[animatic]

Dr. Bruce

"The government will not be able to finish paying the farmers until after they are re-elected."

Are you an official Government spokes person now. We all had a suspicion that you are part of this bunch of thieves.

Sorry, I could have been clearer. Since the government decided to step down and renew it's mandate with the people of Thailand, it has been ham-strung by the anti-democratic groups. The government has been unable to transfer funds between departments and has been stopped from borrowing money to pay the farmers.

The EC has now said that they will allow elections in 3 months 9too long in my opinion0. When Thailand returns to democracy, the PTP will be able to pay the farmers.

I am,of course, not part of the government all opinions I state are my own.

More accurately,

these are anti-Shinawatra Clan protestors, wish for a return to democracy after the Thaksin controlled human lampreys are permanently removed from the body politic.

Their hamstrung state is primarily self inflicted, the proved that repeating yourself will not create a different outcome than the last time, even if the mechanism is some what different this time, the PTP actions closely mirrored their pre-deceasor TRT in methods and lack go foresight.

Edited April 21, 2014 by animatic

[Old Man River]

Dr. Bruce

"The government will not be able to finish paying the farmers until after they are re-elected."

Are you an official Government spokes person now. We all had a suspicion that you are part of this bunch of thieves.

Sorry, I could have been clearer. Since the government decided to step down and renew it's mandate with the people of Thailand, it has been ham-strung by the anti-democratic groups. The government has been unable to transfer funds between departments and has been stopped from borrowing money to pay the farmers.

The EC has now said that they will allow elections in 3 months 9too long in my opinion0. When Thailand returns to democracy, the PTP will be able to pay the farmers.

I am,of course, not part of the government all opinions I state are my own.

The payment (or rather, non-payment) of debts related to the rice scheme predates the government's stepping down.

They could, and should have made arrangements for proper funds being available before going into care-taker status.

That is, unless they either don't have the money, or do not care.

The PDRC got nothing to do with the government being "ham-strung", nor does the EC. Being care-taker government implies certain well known limitations, doubtful that the PTP wasn't aware of them. The decision to step down was made by the government.

We agree.

It isn't the lack of liquidity, but lack of an approved budget. If payments are under an approved budget, lenders won't have a problem. The PTP didn't get budget approvals to repay the farmers before YL dissolved parliament. My guess is that it all would have been buried as part of the THB 2 trillion loan, once that budget was approved, but of course that didn't happen so the losses under the rice scheme became public and now lenders are having difficulty putting the cash up.

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Edited April 21, 2014 by Old Man River