Mysterious Army Leaflets Denounce PCAD Guards 'Thuggery'

[rreddin]

Here we go, as the above... all the reds protesting!

The story itself is full of holes.... and one thing in particular... if the guards really believed he parked his car there, assuming he did, he would not be alive.

This is cock and bull.... and a red-shirt scam, as he was shot in the feet. He prob got about 6M baht from Chalerm and Jatuporn to act as a witness and actor receiving a brutal attack from PDRC guards...... yet.... how come he was shot in the feet/foot.... and lived?

Complete and utter <dele>ollocks story.

Are you denying the army officer was not shot by PRDC guards. Did not the PRDC guards issue some sort of pathetic excuse for their actions? As I recall, the underlying threat was that it was only because they discovered he was an army offer that he was not killed.

[ramrod711]

thanks to these thuggish guards and at the rate they are going, in a few months the PCAD will have no friends or allies left .the fact that there are still some farangs supporting these PCAD thug guards is mindboggling.

It is not clear who is responsible for the publication of the documents. This is hilarious, I was just about to post that I thought Moonao was responsible because the word thuggery was used. Then I come across his post using "thuggish guards" and "thug guards". Get yourself a vocabulary buddy. One would almost think that you are nothing but a troll......or possibly a monk beating crap thrower.

[ramrod711]

Here we go, as the above... all the reds protesting!

The story itself is full of holes.... and one thing in particular... if the guards really believed he parked his car there, assuming he did, he would not be alive.

This is cock and bull.... and a red-shirt scam, as he was shot in the feet. He prob got about 6M baht from Chalerm and Jatuporn to act as a witness and actor receiving a brutal attack from PDRC guards...... yet.... how come he was shot in the feet/foot.... and lived?

Complete and utter ollocks story.

If this happened in your own country, would you say the same? Would your people tolerate armed thugs setting up checkpoints and beating up innocent people. Don't come to thailand and apply a different standard. We are people too.

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A lot of us tolerated it in 2010 when your thugs dressed in black and even had their own general.

[Myshkin]

thanks to these thuggish guards and at the rate they are going, in a few months the PCAD will have no friends or allies left .the fact that there are still some farangs supporting these PCAD thug guards is mindboggling.

Not so surprising! Thailand has loads of challenged farangs.

[JAG]

Nothing more than armed bandits. The sooner the authorities round them up and cart them off to jail, the better. Include the monk...

In my time as a soldier I often came across paramilitary thugs, both in Ireland and Former Yugoslavia. I was reminded vividly of these creatures when I encountered Suthep "guards" on the streets of Bangkok back in January. The same slight swagger and air of menace that came from knowing that they were the cockrels on their particular dung heaps, practiced " hard stares" and a confidence from knowing (thinking) that no one could touch them in their environment.

The treatment handed out to the Colonel is entirely in line with these groups behaviour. In particular the "small bullet holes" in the feet sound just like a punishment shooting with a small calibre pistol. What saved the Colonel from further harm was probably someone discovering his ID Card.

Wasn't there talk that these militias were to be the basis of a "reformed" police force if PDRC get into power?

Happy days lie ahead!

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[anteater]

Nothing more than armed bandits. The sooner the authorities round them up and cart them off to jail, the better. Include the monk...

In my time as a soldier I often came across paramilitary thugs, both in Ireland and Former Yugoslavia. I was reminded vividly of these creatures when I encountered Suthep "guards" on the streets of Bangkok back in January. The same slight swagger and air of menace that came from knowing that they were the cockrels on their particular dung heaps, practiced " hard stares" and a confidence from knowing (thinking) that no one could touch them in their environment.

The treatment handed out to the Colonel is entirely in line with these groups behaviour. In particular the "small bullet holes" in the feet sound just like a punishment shooting with a small calibre pistol. What saved the Colonel from further harm was probably someone discovering his ID Card.

Wasn't there talk that these militias were to be the basis of a "reformed" police force if PDRC get into power?

Happy days lie ahead!

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I totally agree with you, and your description of these characters is dead right. Cockrels on dungheaps, the hard stares etc. I've seen similar in dodgy countries from Central America to east and west Africa. Even some of the bouncers outside English clubs have some of these traits - though the obvious difference is that in England and much of Europe there is some legal control of these characters. But here in Thailand, the PDRC run a state within a state, protected and financed by the richest and most powerful people in the country.

[Suriya4]

Please cool down. This accident is just an isolated incident. The head monk have already apologize to the drunk soldier. It won't happen again, I promise.

[anteater]

You can get a good idea of the kind of people who become PDRC guards if you look at the video of the two rich Ferrari kids (posted on Thaivisa a few days ago). One of the pair proudly tells the interviewer that his bodyguard is an ex-prisoner, and admits that this bodyguard could be described as an "assassin". I would think that the PDRC have been building up their "portfolio" of such bandits for months, even years, planning this thug takeover of Bangkok.

Read Voronai's editorial in today's 'Post': he reckons Thailand is beginning to show symptoms of a failed state. Certainly it has failed in serving the population: the police no longer control Bangkok, the economy is in a mess, investor confidence is down, tourism is down (e.g. the MBK mall in Bangkok just reported much-reduced turnover). And we haven't even had the PM kicked out yet. Imagine what will happen when they try that!

I wonder if this country is doomed to several years of real problems and conflict? It's not as if it's such a surprise. If you have a country where laws are widely disobeyed (by all sides), including laws governing elections, then sooner or later that loss of belief in rules-for-all will travel all the way through the society, up to the top and down to the bottom. People will stop respecting authority, unless its "our" authority. The country splits into factions. Armed conflict spreads. The old Latin America syndrome.

I hope I'm wrong.

[JAG]

I also hope that you are wrong, but I concur with a lot of what you say. I agree that these paramilitary groups have been a long time recruiting and preparing. They also must be costing somebody a lot of money to pay and equip. I doubt that they will melt away, and expect they will remain a presence on the Thai political landscape no matter which faction comes out on top. Oh my, wouldn't it be so interesting to know just where that money is coming from?

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Edited April 27, 2014 by JAG

[rickirs]

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Seems a bit strange that if they shot at him they hit his feet.

Yep.... very fishy goings on indeed.

A few things not right about this story.... Or indeed this entire incident.

Yes, the truth is often stranger than fiction.

[Tokay]

Aaaaaaaand nothing will come of it. Second verse, same as the first.

[geriatrickid]

A non implicated party was shot by members of an illegal militia. (Illegal because they are not authorized, nor do they have any legal right to be blocking public spaces.) The victim's "crime" was to remove a traffic cone so that he could drive down a road to go home.He threaten anyone. The excuse offered by the monk to whom the illegal militia report is that the victim was "intoxicated". It's a rather weak excuse because;

1. The monk was not there, nor is there any evidence of the Col. being intoxicated such as the result of a roadside sobriety test.

2. The monk's militia opened fire despite being told to hold fire by the victim. It was a violent assault.

3. The militia members apologized to the victim after their employer the monk realized that his boys had stepped in a big pile of dung with the attack.

The only excuse offered to date is the monk's allegation of the Col. being intoxicated. I give him credit for keeping his lies simple as he doesn't say the col. threatened anyone or that his militia members' lives were at risk.

As an aside, if one needed an example of the resentment the middle rank officer corps have towards the upper command, here it is in all its glory. Now just imagine the consequences of the growing resentment. Sometimes military coups are undertaken by junior officers, and they end up being successful, at least in terms of seizing power. This monk is going to get his comeuppance and I expect that he will not be wearing his robes at the end of it.

[toybits]

A security guard, illegally detained at Lumpini park, beaten up to a pulp, hog-tied and thrown over a bridge with intent to drown him - ho hum...

A military colonel, beaten up, with gun shot wound on foot...

"Yes, how many deaths will it take till he knows
That too many people have died ?
The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind."

Source: Bob Dylan – Blowin' In The Wind Lyrics

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Seems a bit strange that if they shot at him they hit his feet.

They been watching too many cowboy comedy movies 'dance you b*stard, dance!'

[Luk Mhee]

POLITICAL PROPAGANDA, AT ITS BEST. Do the Buffalo brains really think that the public is stupid?

[taff33]

Woopydoo

I have never read so much crap that you spout every time you make a post,the day is coming when you will see the light and 'your side 'will be going home to lick your wounds.

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Well I obviously pushed YOUR buttons, and I am glad I did.... You have just displayed the classic red shirt support traits of blindness and denial, and if you think for a minute that anyone from my side of the political opinion camp will be licking their wounds when all is played out, I suggest you go back and count the numbers of supporters on both sides of the void... If anyone will be hobbling home defeated, it will be PTP/UDD red shirts like they did in 2010 and will again if they dare to challenge the people and the army in the future till there is nothing left of them.

If other people's opinions that don't suit your narrative upset you so much, don't cry about it... just go and join another forum.... one about puppy dogs and furry little kittens or something.

My dad is bigger than your dad,your dad has more money,but my dad is bigger.A bit childish I know,but you seemed to have dragged me down to your level.And i am not a red shirt and I have no "traits or denials"

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[srsv1238]

I don't think for a minute that leaflets are circulating criticizing the top brass... That would not happen in a hundred years in the army which would come down hard on any form of internal dissent of that nature..... just Khaosod embellishment.

First if all, the guy must have been pissed to do what he did at a rally site knowing full well that it is a very secure and sensitive area..... I would check into this idiot's background to see if he is a confirmed red shirt who may have done this deliberately and ended up getting more than he bargained for. Looks to me like he willingly walked into this.

Not that I condone the violence that met him, but he has to take some of the blame here.... Who in their right mind would thrust their hand into a wasp's nest?.... Something bothers me about that whole setup.

I have no problem with the guards arming themselves to protect the protesters, the government won't allow the army protecting them to be armed, and the police who ARE armed are linked with the attackers on these sites.... As well as CAPO.

Appears to me with CAPO seeming on the edge of another possible crackdown, maybe they needed a precursor to do a sweep of all PDRC sites and remove all ability for them to defend themselves before the red shirts attack.

Who is in charge of Thailand? Why do you want these thugs in charge? They beat and shot someone just for moving some traffic cones? What law gives them the right to set up a checkpoint? What is this Afghanistan?

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No... In Afghanistan, anyone attempting to enter a sensitive area by removing traffic cones would be shot dead in fantastic style.. No comparison.

He wasn't just 'removing traffic cones' he was trying to drive his car through an area that has been shot at and bombed several times a week for the past 4 months or so.

The big question is....

How much was he paid to do that???... because it is not a rational thing to do, and while I may admit that if it was for example just someone who was visiting the country and has been in a coma for the past 4 months, then it may well be excusable..... But a soldier based in BKK????????... Come on f-f-s.....

All these setups that seem to point accusatory fingers at PDRC/PCAD guards always seem to stink to the high heavens of a setup.... Why do you think that could be????

Like I said... Things going on here are very fishy indeed, I would not be surprised to see CAPO now cite this as a reason to extend the ISA (coincidental timing?) or in fact order a sweep of all PDRC sites by the army to remove all methods of possible defense before they send in the red shirt assassins to finish them off once and for all.

Or are you going to deny that CAPO are not capable of this???

What authority has deputized PCAD to set up checkpoints in the first place? Who gave them the right to conduct summary executions?

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[rubl]

Here we go, as the above... all the reds protesting!

The story itself is full of holes.... and one thing in particular... if the guards really believed he parked his car there, assuming he did, he would not be alive.

This is cock and bull.... and a red-shirt scam, as he was shot in the feet. He prob got about 6M baht from Chalerm and Jatuporn to act as a witness and actor receiving a brutal attack from PDRC guards...... yet.... how come he was shot in the feet/foot.... and lived?

Complete and utter <dele>ollocks story.

The story is full of holes? No, that's the Colonels feet that are full of holes.

He lived because they found his ID card while torturing him.

Luang Pu Buddha Issara, the PDRC leader at the Chaeng Watthana rally site, apologized for the guards, and claimed the Colonel was drunk. Google [Witthawat Wattanakul drunk] and see for yourself since we can't quote BP.

So you're pretending it's all a red-shirt setup and yet Issara has already admitted the incident and even tried to deflect it by pretending the Colonel was drunk!

Interestingly the BangkokPost mentioned 'facial bruises' (and not bloody bruises all over his body) and 'bullet fragment wounds' (which might suggest a ricochet rather than direct shot). Seems the usual KhaoSod hyperbole in the article of the topic here.

Also Buddha Issara didn't deflect and pretend the Colonel was drunk. He was quoted as saying he learned the Colonel seemed intoxicated and even the colonel's superior admitted the Colonel had acted as if he was drunk.

[aussieinthailand]

Here we go, as the above... all the reds protesting!

The story itself is full of holes.... and one thing in particular... if the guards really believed he parked his car there, assuming he did, he would not be alive.

This is cock and bull.... and a red-shirt scam, as he was shot in the feet. He prob got about 6M baht from Chalerm and Jatuporn to act as a witness and actor receiving a brutal attack from PDRC guards...... yet.... how come he was shot in the feet/foot.... and lived?

Complete and utter <dele>ollocks story.

"if the guards really believed he parked his car there, assuming he did, he would not be alive."

Did you have a little think before you wrote this? Or do you stand by it?

So you think the PDRC guards are in fact killers of people, but just not in this case???

[Baerboxer]

Nothing more than armed bandits. The sooner the authorities round them up and cart them off to jail, the better. Include the monk...

The problem with that is that the "authorities" also happen to be nothing more than armed bandits who seem to be aligned with one of the most corrupt regimes headed by a crook.

Thailand is, sadly, beginning to look more and more like certain African, Middle Eastern and former Soviet Socialist republics - fought over by militia and war lords. Some of them pretend a semblance of democracy too.

[Baerboxer]

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