Thai Commerce Min asserts no rice missing from warehouses

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Commerce Min asserts no rice missing from warehouses

BANGKOK, 2 May 2014 (NNT) – The Commerce Ministry has confirmed that no rice pledged under the subsidy program has gone missing from the warehouses.

Yanyong Phuangrach, Deputy Commerce Minister, has defended that no rice disappeared from the warehouses as claimed by the account-closing committee, saying it was deplorable that the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) would not accept PM Yingluck Shinawatra’s request for a deeper investigation.

He added that it would not take much time to inspect rice kept in warehouses, plus it would not delay the investigation process but instead, allow the anti-graft body to acquire more information and details on the case.

He however said the government would respect the NACC’s decision regardless of the outcome.

Lastly, the deputy minister reiterated that the accusation that two million tons of rice had gone missing from the warehouses was false.


-- NNT 2014-05-02

[Luk Mhee]

If this is the case, then why haven’t the receiving managers, the stores managers, and the stock controllers as well as the accountants been fired (dismissed) for incompetency and for causing so much chaos in the country ????

[Ricardo]

For three years the government have refused to release the figures, other than sketchy often-contradictory wildly-varying totals, and now they suddenly want an external body (the NACC) to investigate, while all-the-time denying that anything is wrong.

Too little, too late, I'm afraid.

[Costas2008]

"He however said the government would respect the NACC’s decision regardless of the outcome."

Has the government, informed, their red supporters about this decision?

Don't think so.

They are throwing grenades at the NACC and they are ready to come to BKK to cause havoc.

[Tatsujin]

OK, so me being skeptical, I don't believe one word that comes from any of these PT Ministers mouths . . . so where are the real facts and figures that can be actually verified from the start of this scam? Or haven't they finished cooking the other set of books yet?

[Thai at Heart]

OK, so me being skeptical, I don't believe one word that comes from any of these PT Ministers mouths . . . so where are the real facts and figures that can be actually verified from the start of this scam? Or haven't they finished cooking the other set of books yet?

Its funny they say it's easy to count . if they did a physical, it would take months, and still be wrong by 10%.,, then how.much mouldy and damaged product? 10%? 20?

20mn TONNES in 50kg sacks. How the hell to physically count that accurately, if someone has tried to.fix the figures?

[rubl]

For three years the government have refused to release the figures, other than sketchy often-contradictory wildly-varying totals, and now they suddenly want an external body (the NACC) to investigate, while all-the-time denying that anything is wrong.

Too little, too late, I'm afraid.

When the caretaker Dept. MoC said "would not take much time to inspect rice kept in warehouses", he probably meant 'if done by competent people'.

Anyway, once more we have confirmed that nothing went missing, at least not rice that is. Still waiting for the preliminary A4 size report on how much rice is actually stored in those warehouses were nothing went missing.

[Gunna]

More Rice white lies

[Thaiisnotrequired]

"Lastly, the deputy minister reiterated that the accusation that two million tons of rice had gone missing from the warehouses was false."

Yup! Because it was 9 million tons of rice which went missing, but 9 million has been replaced with Cambodian and Lao rice reaped from latest harvests.... so all's currently square. ...

[Thait Spot]

Should be a very simple solution to this.

PTP produces a full set of accounts for cash and rice and each cabinet minister signs an affidavit that the the figures are true

[h90]

If this is the case, then why haven’t the receiving managers, the stores managers, and the stock controllers as well as the accountants been fired (dismissed) for incompetency and for causing so much chaos in the country ????

And where do all the pictures and videos about the rotting rice come from, if not from the warehouses?

And what about the rice that ignite itself and burned?

[Thai at Heart]

If this is the case, then why havent the receiving managers, the stores managers, and the stock controllers as well as the accountants been fired (dismissed) for incompetency and for causing so much chaos in the country ????

Because all they want is to catch Yingluck. That's it.

[cornishcarlos]

But it might have disappeared enroute to the warehouse...

None went missing from the warehouse though

Honest gov'

[WhizBang]

Independant audit please.

[Fat Haggis]

When there's been accusations of missing thousands of tonnes of rice the onus is on the accusers to prove this is indeed the case and normally when such accusations happen then a stock take by an independent authority is required and if the stock isn't missing then be prepared to be countered.

I don't see a problem in the government insisting the stocks be checked if they've been accused of having such huge numbers missing.

[WoopyDoo]

It is almost as if they have just completed this mega-complex cover up in the scam regarding the stocks and are aching for them to be checked.

There are loads of things they could have done over the past months to cover up the truth.

Adjusting figures in the central accounts and warehouse records to reflect less purchases of rice from farmers... Moved rice stocks about, undercover imports of rice from other countries to fill the holes. Using early rice from the second crop this year keeping it on a separate set of 'hidden' books and presenting it as older rice to fill the gaps.... The list goes on..

Why did they pull every string not to have the rice stocks checked over the past year?... they just denied it, and now they have had time to conduct a massive cover up, they almost daily beg for the stockpiles to checked.... Are we all stupid or what?

Like when my son stole sweets from his sister and added to his own pile, and when questioned denied it to the death.... Then a few hours later he came downstairs and insisted we check her pile, and miraculously they were all there again.. I just smiled and said 'that's good then' and let my son have his little victory, even though he knew that we all knew anyway.

Different but same same.

[Fat Haggis]

How many of his sweets did you eat and did you teach your lass to not leave her sweets where the canny wee fella was able to increase his own amount?

[WoopyDoo]

If this is the case, then why havent the receiving managers, the stores managers, and the stock controllers as well as the accountants been fired (dismissed) for incompetency and for causing so much chaos in the country ????

Because all they want is to catch Yingluck. That's it.

Not entirely the full facts.... They are an anti-corruption commission, and they will chop the heads necessary, and YL's is one of those heads and will be the first chopped, then they will go after the rest... Do no be under the illusion that the investigation stops there.... They will remove everyone who had a hand in corruption inthis scheme... They will ALL face prison.

[Fat Haggis]

As for there being a cover up that is something that YOU need to prove happened as well ! you need to provide manifests and transportation notices and witnesses to back up these claims otherwise they're groundless accusations as well

[gabruce]

Does the NACC have the resources to do a nationwide inspection of warehouses and the accounting for it as well? Would the government even give them access? Why would they think that the NACC could do what the government couldn't do in a timely fashion?

If an auditor says your books show you are missing money, you do NOT just answer that the auditor is wrong. You go through the books yourself and show the auditor their mistake. It's called mounting a defense.

[Thai at Heart]

If this is the case, then why havent the receiving managers, the stores managers, and the stock controllers as well as the accountants been fired (dismissed) for incompetency and for causing so much chaos in the country ????

Because all they want is to catch Yingluck. That's it.

Not entirely the full facts.... They are an anti-corruption commission, and they will chop the heads necessary, and YL's is one of those heads and will be the first chopped, then they will go after the rest... Do no be under the illusion that the investigation stops there.... They will remove everyone who had a hand in corruption inthis scheme... They will ALL face prison.

Absolute twaddle and you know it. You do realise how gargantuan a volume of rice that they claim is.missing. 2,000,000,000 kilograms.

See that 20kg at the wholesaler. It is millions of them. So.to fraudulently move that around, or not ever receive it, would need the complicity of thousands of people. Do you really think they are going to arrest literally thousands?

Yingluck will get her hand slapped and then everything else will go away

[Thai at Heart]

Does the NACC have the resources to do a nationwide inspection of warehouses and the accounting for it as well? Would the government even give them access? Why would they think that the NACC could do what the government couldn't do in a timely fashion?

If an auditor says your books show you are missing money, you do NOT just answer that the auditor is wrong. You go through the books yourself and show the auditor their mistake. It's called mounting a defense.

They would need people in every warehouse on the same day, with complete access for a week.

Might cost a bit to do, but if they got organised it might take a week. And then would still be inaccurate. They would be counting sacks into the millions at each warehouse.

Edited May 2, 2014 by Thai at Heart

[kurnell]

I don't know why everyone has such a hard time interpreting the news. Whatever they report, the exact opposite is true

[The Deerhunter]

Of course they do. Why would they say anything else? Yes, and the anti corruption people should go & count it themselves, and the 2,900 private warehouses and the fumigation facilites. Did they hand over full accounts to the Commission? They previously said it was commercially sensitive & wouldn't divulge the numbers to anyone.

[Lupatria]

Is Mr. Yanyong Phuangrach aware of the fact that it was no problem to steal truck loads of weapons from guarded depots in this country?

[onlycw]

If this is the case, then why havent the receiving managers, the stores managers, and the stock controllers as well as the accountants been fired (dismissed) for incompetency and for causing so much chaos in the country ????

Because all they want is to catch Yingluck. That's it.

Not entirely the full facts.... They are an anti-corruption commission, and they will chop the heads necessary, and YL's is one of those heads and will be the first chopped, then they will go after the rest... Do no be under the illusion that the investigation stops there.... They will remove everyone who had a hand in corruption in this scheme... They will ALL face prison. Really? Time will tell. It would be nice though. But I hope the taxpayers will force an end to this financial madness. Buying at what, 3 times market price, then storing a perishable good at high cost and ultimately selling the rice at huge losses? Even without a single ton of it gone missing, the whole scheme is a brain fart IMHO.

[Thai at Heart]

Of course they do. Why would they say anything else? Yes, and the anti corruption people should go & count it themselves, and the 2,900 private warehouses and the fumigation facilites. Did they hand over full accounts to the Commission? They previously said it was commercially sensitive & wouldn't divulge the numbers to anyone.

7000 Mt in each facility spread over hill and dale.2900 facilities. Impossible to count retrospectively.

Good luck.

[makkam]

'Lastly, the deputy minister reiterated that the accusation that two million tons of rice had gone missing from the warehouses was false.'

The missing amount is in fact 1.9 million tons

Believing any words that spew from a thai politician's mouth should result in the individual being sectioned.

[AleG]

When there's been accusations of missing thousands of tonnes of rice the onus is on the accusers to prove this is indeed the case and normally when such accusations happen then a stock take by an independent authority is required and if the stock isn't missing then be prepared to be countered.

I don't see a problem in the government insisting the stocks be checked if they've been accused of having such huge numbers missing.

It is the duty of any democratic government to work in an accountable and transparent manner, not to hide and obfuscate facts waiting for third parties to uncover them as the PTP government has been doing with the loss figures, the secret G2G deals and pretty much every aspect of the Rice Scheme. It's not their money to do as their please with no oversight.

[surangw]

"Commerce Min asserts no rice missing from warehouses"

or it was never there in the first place