Bangkok: Man 'accidentally' shoots 2 at rally site

[Morch]

How do you know all of this Jamie ? Are you privvy to the instructions and lesson plans? You know this is happening for A Fact because?????

Or are you taking someone else's words as face value?

Post the training program and lesson duration the names of the instructors and their background please as FACTS please seeing as you seem to have inside knowledge as you seemingly only deal in FACTS

That my friend is a propaganda technique called demanding an uneven burden of proof.

It is exhaustively fact-checking and nit-picking of an opponent's statements, but not challenging outrageous claims made by friends and allies.

You have demanded very strong, iron-clad, absolute proof for my statements, while insisting for the flimsiest of evidence to prove one's own statements to be true or in fact no evidence as shown by you in the following case. "Suthep has NO intention of stepping back and out of the picture once Poo is gone" as shown here . No need to back that up with the same burden of proof you are asking me to show.

The frustration is greatly showing when one tries this method to rebut a FACT.

I could propose that yingluck is not even being tried by the NACC until you show me the original court documents, transcriptions of evidence and official summonses from the NACC to yingluck. And when you cannot provide this evidence because you don't have access to it (not unlike the lack of access I have to your demanded proof) that means that in fact yingluck is not being tried by the NACC?

​I don't think the Titanic sank until you provide me with the original investigation report with the original stamp on it, the ship captains death certificate and the list of all the passengers that died with statements from the family showing the people drowned. If you cannot provide that does that mean the Titanic did not sink? According to you yes.

Silly isn't it. Yingluck is being tried by the NACC and I don't need evidence that you cannot provide to know that. The PDRC guards were trained. You do not need evidence that I cannot provide to know that. You are just very very frustrated that I am stating facts and making sense.

Again, facts are the PTP's greatest enemy.

​You're on the verge of the pigeon award mate.

​<EDIT> Oh…..nearly forgot, the Titanic sank.

All these trained guards....where do they practice their shooting is what I'd like to know.

They been on the streets for 6 months, no way the could do it out in the open, and if it was on some army/private range - it would have been news already (or neighbors would complain). Six months, and most of those guards haven't fired all that much - might go to show they aren't that violent, might also show there's no serious training. Before trying to claim they are veterans - Mr. Popcorn didn't seem to have much experience with firearms.

Shooting aside - with 2400 guards or so, the rate of mishaps/stupid incidents/uncalled for shootings doesn't seem very low to me. At least not if there is any claim to iron discipline. This being Thailand, one shouldn't expect any better - the idea that this particular armed group will display greater care for safety regulations and discipline than others is quite preposterous.

[Fat Haggis]

Stop derailing the thread Jamie it's not about Yingluck it's about how you have stated that the PDRC training regime is efficient and effective as you've defended their actions ? it's as simple as that.

I've asked you for the proof based on your post that it has indeed been effective as you seem to be privy to the training program based on your views and opinions.

So have you got the facts at hand to back up your claims or are you just talking speculation and guessing ??

[djjamie]

Stop derailing the thread Jamie it's not about Yingluck it's about how you have stated that the PDRC training regime is efficient and effective as you've defended their actions ? it's as simple as that.

I've asked you for the proof based on your post that it has indeed been effective as you seem to be privy to the training program based on your views and opinions.

So have you got the facts at hand to back up your claims or are you just talking speculation and guessing ??

"you have stated that the PDRC training regime is efficient and effective"

​When you start putting words in my mouth that is where I stop the posting.

[bigbamboo]

An honest mistake?

[Fat Haggis]

Didn't you say bravo and well done that the intensive training has paid off ?

That to me is pretty much you saying that the training has been efficient and effective??

[JO1973]

A gun 'accidentally' going off is one of the biggest lies there is. If a round was chambered and the hammer cocked, maybe, but if you are foolish enough to leave a weapon in that state then there's nothing accidental about it.

[gemini81]

Maybe the brakes on the gun failed, resulting in an accident out of one's control. That ought to work.

Edited May 6, 2014 by gemini81

[DGIE]

A gun went off accidentally? Sounds oddly familiar.

yeah! If the gun is in the waist, the bullet should be in downward direction and it will not hit anybody except maybe the owner's legs.

[ClutchClark]

A gun went off accidentally? Sounds oddly familiar.

yeah! If the gun is in the waist, the bullet should be in downward direction and it will not hit anybody except maybe the owner's legs.

The article did not indicate the location of the firearm.

[ClutchClark]

A gun 'accidentally' going off is one of the biggest lies there is. If a round was chambered and the hammer cocked, maybe, but if you are foolish enough to leave a weapon in that state then there's nothing accidental about it.

The person that discharged the firearm did not intend to discharge the firearm and injure two people...ergo, it fired "accidentally". It was unintentional.

What you are arguing is either semantics or some statement that attempts to convince the TB members your brilliance and authority about firearms. Let me guess, you are american?

Edited May 6, 2014 by ClutchClark

[chotthee]

Gun accident happens in Thailand all the time. Nothing unusual about that.

Take a look at Thai history; accidental gun discharge have killed both lords and peasants.

All Thais knew and have fully accepted that explanation provided.

[rubl]

For such a long time Suthepistas on this forum have been saying that all these shootings are red shirt related and that "protesters don't shoot themsleves". Now it transpires they do shoot each other. Complete silence.

Actually those two shots could hardly be in 'complete silence'.

Now it transpires that a number of protesters brought guns. That's to be investigated. What doesn't transpire is that they 'shoot' each other. At least till more info arrives I'm willing to believe in an accident.

BTW this happened Sunday night the O.P. says. No further news till now?

[khunken]

A gun 'accidentally' going off is one of the biggest lies there is. If a round was chambered and the hammer cocked, maybe, but if you are foolish enough to leave a weapon in that state then there's nothing accidental about it.

I take it from your post that your knowledge of guns here is zero. Most of the guns held by poorer people are home made and clever comments that might apply to imported firearms don't apply.

The Op doesn't speculate on how it happened beyond what the guard claims.

[NCFC]

I see some real ignorant remarks on this board. Is it totally inconceivable to some people that the protesters might want to make an attempt to defend themselves from the people who fire grenades and assault rifles at protesters. including women and young children??? Or are they supposed to just sit around, waiting to be killed, hoping that the bullets might miss them? Not everybody is a Gandhi or MLK, in fact there are very very few of those amongst us. I have to assume that some people are so color blinded that they must make nonsensical remarks on a daily basis. Perhaps it's just a cry for attention, perhaps they need a hug.

You were not using this argument in 2010 now were you?

[Rimbuman]

I think you are both partially right and partially wrong.

It is likely that the attack was deliberate with no thought given to who would be injured or killed, as long is they were protestors.

It is very unlikely that the children were specifically targetted.

Opinion only.

Maybe you are right that these children were not specifically targetted, but

I'll never forget that the murder of these children were celebrated on that red stage.

[chotthee]

I think you are both partially right and partially wrong.

It is likely that the attack was deliberate with no thought given to who would be injured or killed, as long is they were protestors.

It is very unlikely that the children were specifically targetted.

Opinion only.

Maybe you are right that these children were not specifically targetted, but

I'll never forget that the murder of these children were celebrated on that red stage.

My opinion differs.

My opinion is that the children were targeted to produec the greatest impact.

Edited May 8, 2014 by chotthee

[Local Drunk]

For such a long time Suthepistas on this forum have been saying that all these shootings are red shirt related and that "protesters don't shoot themsleves". Now it transpires they do shoot each other. Complete silence.

So the murdered children killed themselves. So all the other victims of violence did it to themselves. You really think that?

Yes this idiot had a gun, but your follow up conclusion is just wrong.

No sane person would ever think that the murder of the children in Bangkok was a deliberate act. If you can accept that it was an accidental murder then you must also have doubts about whether it was RED or Yellow hand that made the mistake.

How could the shooting of those children have possibly been accidental? Mistakes, Dr. Bruce? Did you read the police report and do you know where the grenades were thought to be fired from? That was not an accident and it certainly wasn't their own that did it. If you're firing grenades at places and kill people, you can't say oops, "I was aiming at something else" You can't argue that it was accidental... you're a murderer.

Edited May 8, 2014 by Local Drunk