Legitimate?

[grumpyoldman]

The guys in the orange shirts on Soi Sansabai who hit people up for 20thb to park their motorbikes? Yellow tickets.

Yesterday pulled my bike up outside a restaurant Soi Sansabai almost to 200 year rd.

Orange shirt guy: "You pay 20thb"

GOM: "I'm going into this restaurant and pretty sure this is the restaurants' parking,,, so,,,, no."

Orange shirt voice rising now: "You pay 20thb"!

GOM: "I guess you didn't here me, NO"!

and then I get on my bike ride half a block up,behind Hemingways, the owner I guy I know, park at their Mango Tree and come walking back.

Orange shirt now comes pulling up on his bike yelling at me "You pay 20thb"! You pay 20thb!" and cutting me off with his bike as I'm trying to walk.

Ended up parking my bike up on Soi Jungceylon and just walking down.

My impresssion was the brown shirt government guys with name badges are legitimate and usually it's 5thb(?), but question for you Patongers, are these guys legit?

[KarenBravo]

Yes, they are. It's a private road, not a public road as is Soi Sunset one Soi over.

[nedkellylives]

Was it worth the hassle for 20 baht or 60 cents

[LivinginKata]

Yes, they are. It's a private road, not a public road as is Soi Sunset one Soi over.

Yes, agreed. It is a private road. The owner can charge what he wants. The gov parking wardens only cover the public beach road.

[fatdrunkandstupid]

Just pretend that you are Russian and don't speak English. Works a treat...

[grumpyoldman]

Was it worth the hassle for 20 baht or 60 cents

Probably not NKL and maybe I should've just paid the 20thb but seems to me a restaurant with parking, a second party should not walk up and charge.

[KarenBravo]

The restaurant does not own the road. If you think that the road in front of a business should be reserved for that business, then you legitimize not being able to park outside shop-house businesses because the owner insists it's "his".

[steelepulse]

The restaurant does not own the road. If you think that the road in front of a business should be reserved for that business, then you legitimize not being able to park outside shop-house businesses because the owner insists it's "his".

I agree, but I sure wish the "owners" of said shophouses would also agree. That one soi In Karon by the Karon Cafe was bad 10 years ago, I can only imagine how it is now.

[nedkellylives]

Was it worth the hassle for 20 baht or 60 cents

Probably not NKL and maybe I should've just paid the 20thb but seems to me a restaurant with parking, a second party should not walk up and charge.

As KB has said mate, the restaurant does not own the road the original developer does

the independent property owners if there is a majority can petition to have the raod made public

but they still do not own the road and have exclusive use of it in front of their property

The local govt owns the road and can charge parking fees if they want to

[grumpyoldman]

The restaurant does not own the road. If you think that the road in front of a business should be reserved for that business, then you legitimize not being able to park outside shop-house businesses because the owner insists it's "his".

And that oftentime does happen. Said shopowner would prefer to have space for the people to frequent his business.

KB and NKL - lets say you guys were in business here and a second party walks up every time someone wants to park at your business, give you business, and asks for money. You then lose business because of it. You guys are o.k. huh?

(I hear it now "I wouldn't have set my business up there", "yes it's a private rd. K. Pian now out still needs to still make his change"....blah, blah, blah).

[falkan]

park downstairs at jungceylon.

[KarenBravo]

It's got nothing to do with what I want. It's a matter of law. The road in front of a business does not belong to the business owner. If it's a public road, anyone can park there. If it's a private road, then unless there is a formal arrangement that the road in front belongs to that business, then anyone can park there.

[grumpyoldman]

park downstairs at jungceylon.

Across the street upper Bangla closer.

@KB-point understood

[fatdrunkandstupid]

Why on earth would you even bother riding yourself in Patong? There are plenty of tuk tuks and taxis.

[grumpyoldman]

Why on earth would you even bother riding yourself in Patong? There are plenty of tuk tuks and taxis.

Nice troll, won't take the bait FDAS, but I do love Animal House, a classic.

[nedkellylives]

The restaurant does not own the road. If you think that the road in front of a business should be reserved for that business, then you legitimize not being able to park outside shop-house businesses because the owner insists it's "his".

And that oftentime does happen. Said shopowner would prefer to have space for the people to frequent his business.

KB and NKL - lets say you guys were in business here and a second party walks up every time someone wants to park at your business, give you business, and asks for money. You then lose business because of it. You guys are o.k. huh?

(I hear it now "I wouldn't have set my business up there", "yes it's a private rd. K. Pian now out still needs to still make his change"....blah, blah, blah).

Unfortunately businesses here do not have to supply parking for their customers on their own land as they do in the majority of countries

If i had a business here i would supply parking for my customers/clients/tenants as some people do even in Phuket

[grumpyoldman]

Sort of off the original topic but parking matter anyway, the Supercheap minimarts............horrendous.......I've noticed three or four where their lack of parking leads to all the motorbike busy bees (customers) in the road. There's one on Chaofa West up across from the PTP that if someone has not been hit yet.....soon for sure.

[NamKangMan]

It's got nothing to do with what I want. It's a matter of law. The road in front of a business does not belong to the business owner. If it's a public road, anyone can park there. If it's a private road, then unless there is a formal arrangement that the road in front belongs to that business, then anyone can park there.

Soi sansabai is a private road, but my understanding is each business on a private road owns half of the road in front of the business.

I believe this is why there is that ridiculous hotel shell sticking halfway out onto the road on Soi Banzaan.

So, on that basis, it's my understanding that unless some of the 20 baht goes to the businesses on Soi Sansabai, and I doubt it does, the collecting of the 20 baht is illegitimate.

[KarenBravo]

.....and where do you get your facts for "it is my understanding?".

No business gets half of a private road that I have ever heard of.

Your question was brought up in Issues and Answers in the PG, about Soi Sansabai. The answer from Thai officialdom is exactly the same as you have been given here. Here's the link http://legacy.phuketgazette.net/issuesanswers/details.asp?id=1091&Search=soi%20sansabai

Don't forget to post some evidence on how businesses also get half the road.

Edited May 10, 2014 by KarenBravo

[Valentine]

Sort of off the original topic but parking matter anyway, the Supercheap minimarts............horrendous.......I've noticed three or four where their lack of parking leads to all the motorbike busy bees (customers) in the road. There's one on Chaofa West up across from the PTP that if someone has not been hit yet.....soon for sure.

Often thought so myself. Supercheap obviously do not care or they would have at least built a shop where was shoulder on the road, this one is where the road narrows.

As for parking in Patong I am surprised there is anywhere to park on a road or soi where you do not get harassed by someone wanting money or getting pissed off because you have parked on "their" space.

[NamKangMan]

.....and where do you get your facts for "it is my understanding?".

No business gets half of a private road that I have ever heard of.

Your question was brought up in Issues and Answers in the PG, about Soi Sansabai. The answer from Thai officialdom is exactly the same as you have been given here. Here's the link http://legacy.phuketgazette.net/issuesanswers/details.asp?id=1091&Search=soi%20sansabai

Don't forget to post some evidence on how businesses also get half the road.

I said "it's my understanding" - I did not say I know 100% for sure. I'm happy to be corrected.

Soi Sansabai is a private road, so yes, the owner can charge, but I was under the belief, whether right or wrong, that the businesses or residences on a private road have some rights to the road's use, and it's that right that should not see motorbikes blocking access to their business because the road in front is being used as a car park for financial gain, or, the parking fee turning away customers.

Ever you seen the little steel frames on the roads, in front of shop doors, so no one can park there, thus allowing pedestrian access into the shop? Are they legal, or an obstruction of traffic?

Soi Sansabai, at night, turns from being a road into a carpark. Sometimes the bikes are 4 deep.

Maybe you can explain why there is a building shell halfway onto the road on Soi Banzaan. I was told because when you buy, or lease, on a private road, you have the use of half the private road in front of your land. The hotel owner obviously took that too seriously and built on it. I always look at that place with amazement.

It could be an urban myth. i could have been given the wrong information. Like I said, I'm happy to be corrected.

On the basis of the owners or leasees of businesses on a private road not having any rights to the use of the road, what's stopping the owner of the public road building on it?

I would think it's the same principle with the oner of the private road running a business, in this case, a car park, on the road in front of your business.

Maybe some members who have bought property with private road access can post if any paperwork reflects their use of that road.

Edited May 10, 2014 by NamKangMan

[KarenBravo]

You have been corrected.

[NamKangMan]

You have been corrected.

Do businesses or residences have any rights to the private road that gives access?

[KarenBravo]

The only right anyone has over private land that doesn't belong to them is a 1.5 metre wide access to their own property.

If the owner of Sansabai felt like it, he could build a brick wall across either end of the soi and build more stuff in the road, but, he must leave a 1.5 metre access.

[stevenl]

You have been corrected.

Do businesses or residences have any rights to the private road that gives access?

No.

Ever you seen the little steel frames on the roads, in front of shop doors, so no one can park there, thus allowing pedestrian access into the shop? Are they legal, or an obstruction of traffic?

Illegal.

[NamKangMan]

The only right anyone has over private land that doesn't belong to them is a 1.5 metre wide access to their own property.

If the owner of Sansabai felt like it, he could build a brick wall across either end of the soi and build more stuff in the road, but, he must leave a 1.5 metre access.

Just an other reason not to buy property here.

[NamKangMan]

You have been corrected.

Do businesses or residences have any rights to the private road that gives access?

No.

Ever you seen the little steel frames on the roads, in front of shop doors, so no one can park there, thus allowing pedestrian access into the shop? Are they legal, or an obstruction of traffic?

Illegal.

KB says you have the right to 1.5m of access.

Which answeer is correct?

[KarenBravo]

The only right anyone has over private land that doesn't belong to them is a 1.5 metre wide access to their own property.

If the owner of Sansabai felt like it, he could build a brick wall across either end of the soi and build more stuff in the road, but, he must leave a 1.5 metre access.

Just an other reason not to buy property here.

No, a reason to not buy property without public access. You draw the wrong lesson.

[LivinginKata]

Do businesses or residences have any rights to the private road that gives access?

No - the owner of the private road can deny access to the owner of any land along the private road. The idea of a 1.5m strip of access is nonsense. I have some experience on this point. My wife bought some land off Nanai Rd, enquired at our bank about a loan for building, they flatly told her no chance of any bank loan as there was no access title. Luckily she had good relations with elderly man that owned the road and he agreed to sign access rights at the Kathu land office, much to the annoyance of his son who brokered that land purchase. I advised all the neighbours about this potential problem, they all thought it unnecessary. So they sold on the land and buildings and then that son appeared out of the wood work and demanded a very large sum for access. The new buyer had to pay as the 'demand' was accompanied by a group of unsavory gangsters.

[NamKangMan]

The only right anyone has over private land that doesn't belong to them is a 1.5 metre wide access to their own property.

If the owner of Sansabai felt like it, he could build a brick wall across either end of the soi and build more stuff in the road, but, he must leave a 1.5 metre access.

Just an other reason not to buy property here.

No, a reason to not buy property without public access. You draw the wrong lesson.

Allow me to clarify.

Just another reason not to buy property here that has a private road for access.