Dr Robert Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Conchita Wurst's triumphant entry in this year’s Eurovision competition was a glory that transcended gender and sexuality; it was a stunning victory for transgender people. The ancient Greek philosopher Plato taught us to "know thyself" but Conchita Wurst single-handedly updated that to a 21st century sensibility- "know thyself and be thyself" This bearded talented glamor-queen belted out spirited gospel with stunning sensuality and ambivalence, capturing hearts worldwide. Her victory is a victory for all the transgender people represented here in Thailand-it promotes unequivocal humanity and respect. Conchita's success is a victory for compassion, and for the disavowing of stereotypes. But most of all it is jubilation for the recognition of the potential for all people to self-actualize if they have raw talent; and they can do it unashamedly, unabashed, make no excuses. Thai transgender people can hold their heads high because of this rambunctious performer and we are all the better for it. Long live the queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasRanger Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I thought it was a gimmick, especially with the beard. I mean, why would you have the beard??? And it looks like it paid off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I found her/his ... be let's respect the performers wishes and call her 'her' ... I found her performance entertaining. A winner ... based on the song, maybe not. Based on Eurovision embracing tolerance ... sure ... 100%. I do find her name of 'Wurst' German for Sausage, as amusing ... she's certaily able to take the piss out of herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Costas2008 Posted May 12, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2014 The ancient Greek philosopher Plato taught us to "know thyself" Plato also in his symposium, applaud buggery.......very appropriate to mention him here. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiberius Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Rather fetching with those false eyelashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthbkkbkk Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I think it was disgusting and HE has no great talent. Just as those who embrace the new tolerance have the right to express their opinions those of us who find public displays of sexuality distasteful have the right to express our opinions. If HE's really transgender then he wants to be a woman so why the beard? He was born a male and no amount of pretending otherwise will change that. You do realize that some men who dress as women are only attracted to women so this has nothing to do with homosexuality. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss1960 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 ]Her victory is a victory for all the transgender people represented here in Thailand-it promotes unequivocal humanity and respect. So you are suggesting that all ladyboys are now going to let their beard grow??? To make it clear: "Conchita Wurst" - by her own recognition - is NOT a transgender, "she" is a drag queen / a perfomance artist / an artificial alter ego of the homosexual man Tom Neuwirth.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 no it is not. This guy isn't transgender. It is a normal gay man, who took women clothes and a beard to provoke. That causes that people who don't want to look intolerant or homophobic better vote for him. If you don't like his music and don't vote for him, people would call you homophobic. It would be a victory, if no one would really mention it and if he would be judged on his show and not on his beard and sex. Or would you think that a real woman, slightly overweight would have won with exactly the same song? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseFrank Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 no it is not. This guy isn't transgender. It is a normal gay man, who took women clothes and a beard to provoke. That causes that people who don't want to look intolerant or homophobic better vote for him. If you don't like his music and don't vote for him, people would call you homophobic. It would be a victory, if no one would really mention it and if he would be judged on his show and not on his beard and sex. Or would you think that a real woman, slightly overweight would have won with exactly the same song? Or would you think that a real woman, slightly overweight would have won with exactly the same song? Depends on if she had a beard or not, I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanno Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I think it was disgusting and HE has no great talent. There are people with talent in that contest? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CryWolf Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I found her/his ... be let's respect the performers wishes and call her 'her' ... I found her performance entertaining. A winner ... based on the song, maybe not. Based on Eurovision embracing tolerance ... sure ... 100%. I do find her name of 'Wurst' German for Sausage, as amusing ... she's certaily able to take the piss out of herself. Did you try to google translate his first name? Conchita... from Spanish to English. Then it will all make sense Sent from my HTC One using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I found her/his ... be let's respect the performers wishes and call her 'her' ... I found her performance entertaining. A winner ... based on the song, maybe not. Based on Eurovision embracing tolerance ... sure ... 100%. I do find her name of 'Wurst' German for Sausage, as amusing ... she's certaily able to take the piss out of herself. Did you try to google translate his first name? Conchita... from Spanish to English. Then it will all make sense Sent from my HTC One using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app google translate can't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I found her/his ... be let's respect the performers wishes and call her 'her' ... I found her performance entertaining. A winner ... based on the song, maybe not. Based on Eurovision embracing tolerance ... sure ... 100%. I do find her name of 'Wurst' German for Sausage, as amusing ... she's certaily able to take the piss out of herself. But he is Austrian. Wurst can also mean "all the same" or "doesn't matter". It depends on where you use it if it means sausage or "all the same". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CryWolf Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I found her/his ... be let's respect the performers wishes and call her 'her' ... I found her performance entertaining. A winner ... based on the song, maybe not. Based on Eurovision embracing tolerance ... sure ... 100%. I do find her name of 'Wurst' German for Sausage, as amusing ... she's certaily able to take the piss out of herself. Did you try to google translate his first name? Conchita... from Spanish to English.Then it will all make sense Sent from my HTC One using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app google translate can't Sent from my HTC One using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sustento Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I found her/his ... be let's respect the performers wishes and call her 'her' ... I found her performance entertaining. A winner ... based on the song, maybe not. Based on Eurovision embracing tolerance ... sure ... 100%. I do find her name of 'Wurst' German for Sausage, as amusing ... she's certaily able to take the piss out of herself. Did you try to google translate his first name? Conchita... from Spanish to English. Then it will all make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) He is NOT a transgender person! He's a gay man who does DRAG QUEEN performance art. Is it really rocket science for some people to learn the difference between gay man and transgender person? There was already LONG AGO an ACTUAL transgender person who won Eurovision -- DANA INTERNATIONAL (Duh.) Edited May 12, 2014 by Jingthing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) I found her/his ... be let's respect the performers wishes and call her 'her' ... I found her performance entertaining. A winner ... based on the song, maybe not. Based on Eurovision embracing tolerance ... sure ... 100%. I do find her name of 'Wurst' German for Sausage, as amusing ... she's certaily able to take the piss out of herself. Did you try to google translate his first name? Conchita... from Spanish to English.Then it will all make sense Sent from my HTC One using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app google translate can't Sent from my HTC One using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Edited May 12, 2014 by h90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurwait Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I do find her name of 'Wurst' German for Sausage, as amusing ... she's certaily able to take the piss out of herself. I find it bad enough that they run cheese through them here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) I do find her name of 'Wurst' German for Sausage, as amusing ... she's certaily able to take the piss out of herself. But he is Austrian. Wurst can also mean "all the same" or "doesn't matter". It depends on where you use it if it means sausage or "all the same". So the name in Thai would be Khun Mai-Pen-Rai! Hilarious! Btw, some numpty news presenter on a Thai TV channel announced that the this year's Eurovision winner is Australian.... Edited May 12, 2014 by Morakot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 He's a gay man who does DRAG QUEEN performance art. So he is a thespian than. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I'm sure it was "all done in the best possible taste!":) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I found her/his ... be let's respect the performers wishes and call her 'her' ... I found her performance entertaining. A winner ... based on the song, maybe not. Based on Eurovision embracing tolerance ... sure ... 100%. I do find her name of 'Wurst' German for Sausage, as amusing ... she's certaily able to take the piss out of herself. Did you try to google translate his first name? Conchita... from Spanish to English. Then it will all make sense Sent from my HTC One using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app google translate can't Conchita Wurst = Pussy Sausage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) Eurovision is not only about the song or talent. It's about the entire show business package. Yes, including some politics. His song was good, his singing talent was very good (and if you deny that, sorry, you're obviously just biased because of his drag persona, he OBJECTIVELY has singing talent), and his bearded lady schtick was the right thing at the right time. It's part of his staging and show aspect. That's always a factor. If he had just showed up in the outfit and the song and talent had been crap, he would have gotten nothing. Watching the show last night, the best overall shows in my opinion were Denmark, Sweden, Spain, Russia, Hungary, the U.K. and the winner Austria. I know the Netherlands did really well but I didn't get it, a country western act for Eurovision is weird ... Israel in the semifinals got shafted not making it to the final. Politics? Yes, I think so too. Edited May 13, 2014 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Talent, no doubt, but personally I thought the individual "looked" hideous and I wondered if it wasnt actually offensive to some transgender persons, almost came across as taking the mick by leaving the beard, it left no doubt it was a man in a dress that was performing and was some kind of pc statement and angle to gain votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 He's a drag queen act and not a transgender person. He has never suggested that he is. Transgender people know that better than anyone. Are they insulted? I don't know. Maybe ask some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) sorry guys, seems to be an issue doing a multi-quote over 2 pages. @ CharlieH Talent, no doubt, but personally I thought the individual "looked" hideous and I wondered if it wasnt actually offensive to some transgender persons, almost came across as taking the mick by leaving the beard, it left no doubt it was a man in a dress that was performing and was some kind of pc statement and angle to gain votes. @Jingthing He's a drag queen act and not a transgender person. He has never suggested that he is. Transgender people know that better than anyone. Are they insulted? I don't know. Maybe ask some. Is there anywhere where she/he states (in English) how she/he prefers to be viewed? EDIT ... formatting Edited May 13, 2014 by David48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) I read one article that quoted him as stating "neautral gender", another Polish article stated him as transgender, the most common seems to be drag queen/artist. Good article with many pics at various events etc.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2625866/Winner-whisker-Austrias-bearded-lady-conquers-Eurovision-Russias-rage.html Edited May 13, 2014 by CharlieH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) I read one article that quoted him as stating "neautral gender", another Polish article stated him as transgender, the most common seems to be drag queen/artist. Anyone can easily find a consensus of sources that HE (HIS name is Tom Neuwirth) is identified in his actual life outside performance as GAY MAN and does NOT identify as having a FEMALE gender (as a transgender person would). Let's put this one to bed, shall we? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/27/conchita-wurst-eurovision-_n_5217410.html Armenian Eurovision contender Aram MP3, a 30-year-old man whose real name is Aram Sargsyan, said Wurst's way of life was "not natural" and she should decide to be a woman or a man.Wurst shot back: "I told him I don't want to be a woman. I am just a working queen and a very lazy boy at home." Edited May 13, 2014 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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