Smokemachine Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Is not a bribe if its above board hiring like that. Bribes are done under the table.......just saying...... TiT...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbamboo Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 So that's the rice farmers and now the redshirt rent a mobsters. Of course the fun will really start if the government officials start complaining too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 1. Both sides are stupid 2. Any farang who believes that side one is "right" and one side is "wrong" in this clusterf#ck is also stupid Agree 150% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zydeco Posted May 14, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2014 I suppose we await TV's rabid reds to come along and say they are fake reds shirts and they where planted by Suthep to undermine "democracy" No need. We have an unsubstantiated complaint. Have you considered that in the event an offer was made, someone higher up found out and said, no cost of transport subsidy is to be paid as it is unethical? It is rather odd that someone would file a complaint in respect to their own illegal behaviour. Well, GK has finally done it. With this post he wins the all time unintended irony trophy for TVF. Just retire the award and let him take it home. Nobody will ever beat this. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) What a delicious story. It makes it so much harder for Pheu Thai supporters to refute ( though some are still gallantly swimming against the tide of reason, literally gasping with each disclaimer). Despite the fact that Khaosod would never publish a story like this in a million years, we have the astonishing event of red shirts formally filing a complaint with police that they were not paid their bribe, and the police accepted it ! Something like this proves one thing. The UDD hasn't an ounce of a sense of irony, and the police don't have an ounce of a sense of irony either. So the millions of red shirts that were supposed to crowd onto the streets - well, it apparently turned out to be just too prohibitively expensive ( though one wonders for who ? ) The UDD must be right, though. It seems democracy does indeed have a price. It's all business buddy If you are not getting the returns, change the process. Is Jatuporn still being paid, d'ya reackon? He's clearly not getting the results TS wants............!!! I What could be causing the loss of red-shirt support? (Rhetorical question) Edited May 14, 2014 by The Deerhunter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valvenus Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) I suppose we await TV's rabid reds to come along and say they are fake reds shirts and they where planted by Suthep to undermine "democracy" A friend that lives in Rangsit told me a vendor he chats with was promised Digressing from second hand information posted earlier by others to, now, third hand information with which to try and deflect from: Red-shirt leader faces complaint for refusing to pay Edited May 14, 2014 by valvenus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeycountry Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Hahahaha, almost crying when reading this - talk about shooting yourself in the foot Not only must it be just about the most embarassing news for any red shirt in the country, it also shows that the red shirts are so stupid, they either do not care or do not realise just how much damage filing such a complaint with the police does to the red shirts. And last, but not least, it makes great ammo for future discussions on TV, and anywhere else, regarding whether the reds are just a paid mob or genuine protesters.I have no doubt the red supporters have already made up some fantastic excuse, but who cares anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valvenus Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) For all the reds on here with their head where the sun don't shine. At my company I had to tell staff that went for the 1000B scam of the reds, that if they d go, I didn't need them back. Out of 90 people 60 went. They even explained clearly: boss, we get 1000, we get free liquor, food, we see lots of mates and get nice music with dancing girls. These were normal factory workers who got 330 a day. I understood. And I was slimming down anyway so a good deal for both sides. Thank you for sharing your first hand information. Edited May 14, 2014 by valvenus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rucus7 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Why is this news? Possibly because in the past they have made good on their bribes. Cash strapped this time. Also their organization is in disarray. Buying votes, or more recently protesters is deeply ingrained in Thai culture. This system is continually defended as democracy. Somehow it differs from my perception of true democracy. This is much more theatrical. Not heart felt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmugghc Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I suppose we await TV's rabid reds to come along and say they are fake reds shirts and they where planted by Suthep to undermine "democracy" No need. We have an unsubstantiated complaint. Have you considered that in the event an offer was made, someone higher up found out and said, no cost of transport subsidy is to be paid as it is unethical? It is rather odd that someone would file a complaint in respect to their own illegal behaviour. You get the #1 prize today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Is not a bribe if its above board hiring like that. Bribes are done under the table.......just saying......Agree. The point thou is not the hiring or bribing but the credibility when the criminals like Jutaporn tell their usual bull crap that the Reds are there supporting their beliefs and ideology when in reality they are there for a wage. Yes, but they do it on election day too. I hav'nt heard even any fake yellows say so far that they were paid to vote for the democracts. I like that word "Delicious." Better look for a new job Mr Jatuporn. Uncle TS is not pleased and when he is not pleased........................................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmugghc Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I actually think the headline is wrong. It's not a "bribe", just a day-laborer payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Yellows don't get paid, no way Jose.... but wait, they were paying 800b a day in my locale a few months ago, picking people up in pick-ups and heading for Suthep's Walks for Fascism Reform, and offering it to all and sundry. Could we see some real proof of that ? Strange no stories of that in the news but the reds all the time with stuff like this. So either it does not happen with the yellows or it happened many many more times with the reds why it gets discovered more. Either way reds are nothing more then rent a mob while the yellows pay for pleasure to protest really stand behind their choice and ideology. Rubbish! Both sides are paying for their renta-mobs and the daily rate seems to be around Bt.1,000 per day plus transport (Bus). A group of about 20 women from my wife's village were paid to attend Sutheps gatherings a few weeks ago. Got to BKK, received their attendance money, and were then refused the money for the fare home again. So for all those claiming this is a red-only activity.....sorry, you're wrong! They're as bad as each other. proof please no proof - no truth, just rhetoric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 "Sixty locals of Sakaeo province filed a complaint against a red-shirt leader on Sunday after he refused to pay them the bribes they were promised." Corrupt to the core and doesn't even honour it's corrupt payment promises. Pathetic. The story is from Coconuts, Bluespunk, not a source you'd usually trust without other confirmation. Interesting the different standards of evidence people require depending on which side the story they're reading discredits. Not singling you out for this, just I recalled some of your recent comments saying Coconuts wasn't a trustworthy source. Yet you've condemned the red shirts pretty quickly on the basis of this report. Everyone does it though. Although, to be fair perhaps you saw it elsewhere, in Thai Rath or on Channel 3. Regardless, I know people on both sides are paid, not all of them, but there is something weird about this story, watching the Channel 3 report as well. I mean why would the guy direct them from Sa Keo to Khon Kaen when the protest is in BKK, seems a much longer route than necessary? They also seemed determined to make as much fuss as possible and the media happened to be there. I know I must sound like one of the typical posters on both sides who do their best to raise doubt over stories like this. I'm not saying it's not true but I wouldn't automatically take it at face value. To reiterate, don't doubt that I believe that some of the red shirts are paid. The guy that Thaksin allegedly funnels money through to fund the red shirts was actually at the Aksa rally the other day - Anand Asawapokin, of Land and Houses. I also don't doubt that some of the PDRC are paid. I probably wouldn't question this story if it weren't for the Khon Kaen thing... why would they be told to go there first? Seems to make little sense, and I'm sure this is a fact that would cause others to question the story if it were about the other side, not the rds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Some things never change. You're so so right siamploee, some things never change. The same old people have brain fade whenever they see this video. Did you forget to add the rider that this is from March 2010 and shows payoffs to pick-up drivers for fuel and food for taking red shirts to a rally? That is the previous buying of protesters scandal. This is a new one, not to mention rumors on paid posters that are quite likely too. Poor fab the reds cant even get a mob without including Cambodians or paying of their minions, then you got normal everday people paying Suthep so protests can be financed. I wonder what that says about the real support there is and it also explains vote buying on the red side with an target group like that its quite likely. Most Northern or Nor/easterns Thais are well familiar witht he saying " No money, No honey!!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 These are not bribes. They were promised hire for casual work and then the offer was cancelled after they had already incurred out of pocket expenses and opportunity costs by travelling to Khon Kaen. Attending red shirt rallies is a job. No it is not a job. It is a black economy industry!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I suppose we await TV's rabid reds to come along and say they are fake reds shirts and they where planted by Suthep to undermine "democracy" A friend that lives in Rangsit told me a vendor he chats with was promised Digressing from second hand information posted earlier by others to, now, third hand information with which to try and deflect from: Red-shirt leader faces complaint for refusing to pay That was back in December. I'm pretty sure I wrote it on here at the time. It's not to try and deflect. Merely pointing out PDRC fans need to realize some of their own lot are being paid too. I already know some of the reds are paid and have said as much. Maybe people have been paid for going to both PDRC and red rallies, particularly vendors and the like. So who is this red shirt leader, did they give a name? And why did he ask them to go to Khon Kaen first, when the rally was in Bangkok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 These are not bribes. They were promised hire for casual work and then the offer was cancelled after they had already incurred out of pocket expenses and opportunity costs by travelling to Khon Kaen. Attending red shirt rallies is a job. Khon Kaen is part of the "red" heartland ? why do they need to pay anyone? If I remember rightly there was 50 at the coffin burning. They only could find five to put in the photo. Are you sure about the 50 or was that all day, or two days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 "RESPECT MY BRIBE"............T-shirts and placards available shortly . That's pure gold ! Can I use that phrase ? Am getting a bit fed up with these stupid comments morons are making about respecting the peoples' vote. "Respect my vote" my ass. The votes are nothing more than bribes, there is no way I will respect someone's right to take a bribe ! I would go to Chatuchack to get a "Respect my bribe" tee-shirt. Of course I would not wear it in Thailand - well Chiangmai, anyway!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeycountry Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I suppose we await TV's rabid reds to come along and say they are fake reds shirts and they where planted by Suthep to undermine "democracy" No need. We have an unsubstantiated complaint. Have you considered that in the event an offer was made, someone higher up found out and said, no cost of transport subsidy is to be paid as it is unethical? It is rather odd that someone would file a complaint in respect to their own illegal behaviour. It is however more likely that they are just so used to bribes upthere, that they do not even know nor consider it illegal, hence have no worries about filing a police complaint incriminating themselves. Further, it would not be the first time unwise people do something unbelievably stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
issanaus Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 This is about politics so facts do not matter perceptions do. Those who have been in business have always worked on the basis that a satisfied customer will tell one person but an unhappy customer will tell 20. These days with smart phones and social media the figures would be a lot higher than that. People are more influenced by what their friends say and messages get shared a lot further and faster than before. Some one gets paid - soon every one knows that and they all want to be paid Some one gets more money ....... Some one is not paid what they expect ..... Once some one get paid they expect it all the time If some ones perception is that they have been rip off, then the facts do not matter any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Red or Yellow, it is the same - Rent-a-Mob. the best mob that money can buy. OK, in darkest Chiangmai, how many days in a row could you keep a rally running even wth Thaksin himself to speak every night. 30, 60, Not a chance. 200 days in a row, every day & night, on up to 4 stages in different parts of Chiangmai??? Yeah right!!!!! Even paying them every night??? They would want to be paid & notbe required to attend, after the first 10 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valvenus Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Did you forget about the guy who was outside Thaksins office protesting with a bullhorn? He claimed that he was to be paid 14,000 baht to bring several truckloads of reds to Bangkok. The press arrived in time to film a woman emerge from the office, tell the guy to go away or else he would be beaten. He refused to leave and a very tall man (my wife said he was a minor movie star) came out and beat the crap out of him. By the way, I used to give you credit for being the brightest of a fairly inarticulate group, the more you deny every news report that is vaguely anti PTP the more credibility you lose. The Red Shirt Security Chief and former actor that pummeled and bloodied the much older man, who had the temerity to ask to get paid what he was promised, was Methee Amornwuttikul. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 It is really a sad day for all in Thailand when you can't even trust corrupt politicians. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmugghc Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) Did you forget about the guy who was outside Thaksins office protesting with a bullhorn? He claimed that he was to be paid 14,000 baht to bring several truckloads of reds to Bangkok. The press arrived in time to film a woman emerge from the office, tell the guy to go away or else he would be beaten. He refused to leave and a very tall man (my wife said he was a minor movie star) came out and beat the crap out of him. By the way, I used to give you credit for being the brightest of a fairly inarticulate group, the more you deny every news report that is vaguely anti PTP the more credibility you lose. The Red Shirt Security Chief and former actor that pummeled and bloodied the much older man, who had the temerity to ask to get paid what he was promised, was Methee Amornwuttikul. I'll be interested to see how many of the usual Thai Rouge TVF members will come out and call this minor actor "scum" like they always do when the PDRC guards go berserk. Edited May 14, 2014 by pmugghc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 1. Both sides are stupid 2. Any farang who believes that side one is "right" and one side is "wrong" in this clusterf#ck is also stupid Agree 150% Yes Chooka. Any allegation by a TVF Poster against the reds has to be followed up by a post from a red troll that says "but Suthep doe it too." It was your lucky day today, was it? 150% Wow! That is impossible & stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skorchio Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Only in Thailand would you go to the Police and make a report you had not been paid a bribe! Police are investigating and gathering evidence that the agreed bribes have not been paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valvenus Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Did you forget about the guy who was outside Thaksins office protesting with a bullhorn? He claimed that he was to be paid 14,000 baht to bring several truckloads of reds to Bangkok. The press arrived in time to film a woman emerge from the office, tell the guy to go away or else he would be beaten. He refused to leave and a very tall man (my wife said he was a minor movie star) came out and beat the crap out of him. By the way, I used to give you credit for being the brightest of a fairly inarticulate group, the more you deny every news report that is vaguely anti PTP the more credibility you lose. The Red Shirt Security Chief and former actor that pummeled and bloodied the much older man, who had the temerity to ask to get paid what he was promised, was Methee Amornwuttikul. I'll be interested to see how many of the usual Thai Rouge TVF members will come out and call this minor actor "scum" like they always do when the PDRC guards go berserk. That sort of Red Shirt physical abuse continues today with Channel 7 news reporter Tomchan Boonsai pressing charges against the Red Shirts for assaulting him when he went to cover this thread's story More info in Breaking News section of the other paper we can't link. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acharn Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) Good Lord, people, get a grip. You really believe a story from a blog called CoconutsBangkok? Are you so out of touch with ordinary Thai people that you think the UDD would pay 1,000 baht a day? I can believe three people went to the police and complained that they were promised 1,000 baht a day and the person who promised it to them didn't honor his/her promise. I'd like to know more about where this story was first reported (in the media?) and who the supposed "red shirt leader" is. I grant you I'm sympathetic to the Reds, but this story stinks to anybody who pays attention. Of course that doesn't apply to PAD PRDC supporters. Besides, paying somebody to attend a demonstration isn't a bribe. A bribe is payment to somebody in an official position for giving you some benefit you are not entitled to. Edited May 14, 2014 by Acharn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Incredibly hilarious Sent from my Nexus 4 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app eThis is defiantly one of those times when Thai Visa could help us state are opinion . It does not allow us enough em cons to state are true feelings. I could be wrong but I think they have been into Chalarm's ear medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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