Senate: Thailand needs interim government

[moonao]

The yellow shirt tactic is destabilize the country and then use that as an excuse for leverage into weaseling into a power grab. Doesn't work? More destabilization.gutless cowards, Pathetic to the core

Edited May 15, 2014 by moonao

[ginjag]

The yellow shirts and their proxies are desperately weaseling themselves into a power grab. This is just another dirty trick in their long list of shameful attempts in swindling the electorate.

The only dirty tricksters are the PTP for getting us into this land fill dung heap.

The PTP swindled the electorate for governing unlawfully--after being sworn in under oath to protect and to serve transparently.

Edited May 15, 2014 by ginjag

[h90]

Do not blame the protesters for blocking the vote!

What the basic human right to vote ?

I don't want to live in your world!

The right to vote is no basic human right

[Publicus]

A constitutional convention is needed while the election goes forward and a government is elected with the mandate to govern. Constitution convention delegates representative of the whole of the population need to be elected to write a new charter covenant by which the country will function.

An exclusionary government appointed by those who appoint is a farce and a guaranteed failure.

No one anywhere at any time has ever improved democracy by attacking voters at the polls on election day while promising to conduct, honor, respect the holding of....elections. The absurdity and the vile cynicism of Suthep and the PDRC are self evident. No one can trust or believe them concerning their so called "reforms."

Meanwhile the PM the country presently has is the only PM the country needs or should have.

You talk complete rubbish and bumf.

No elected government that ruled undemocratically should not be given second chances.

AGAIN please do not blame protesters for preventing voting, as everyone knows deplorable governing caused it all. They should bow out of the scene for their part in all these deaths and turmoil.

To my mind there is no PM worthy in the PTP to hold any position. Guilty Mi Lord.

I talk anti-fascist talk.

The more you post the less you say.

You claim to advocate democracy while you in fact support the violent suppression of it - you, Suthep, the PDRC, Abhisit, the DP.

The Feb 2nd election failed because Suthep and the feudal PDRC conducted violent assaults against innocent voters at the polls. The election failed because of the DP led by Abhisit, the PDRC led by Suthep, the EC controlled by the ammart.

Now come Suthep and the senate foul forty appointed senators who want to appoint a government and PM. So now the appointed want to be the appointers.

Let the voters decide. The electorate are sovereign, not Suthep, not the senate, not the PDRC, not Abhisit, not the DP, not the PTP. Let the voters decide.

[pookiki]

A constitutional convention is needed while the election goes forward and a government is elected with the mandate to govern. Constitution convention delegates representative of the whole of the population need to be elected to write a new charter covenant by which the country will function.

An exclusionary government appointed by those who appoint is a farce and a guaranteed failure because it deliberately seeks to circumvent and thus preclude a representative constitutional convention. A constitutional convention is the urgent task, not an appointed government accountable to itself only.

No one anywhere at any time has ever improved democracy by attacking voters at the polls on election day while promising to conduct, honor, respect the holding of....elections. The absurdity and the vile cynicism of Suthep and the PDRC are self evident. No one can trust or believe them concerning their so called "reforms."

Meanwhile the PM the country presently has is the only PM the country needs or should have.

I agree and I have proposed this in several of my posts as well. But how can it be done given the current constraints in the current Constitution? As I see it, the Constitution would have to be amended to allow such a convention and the Constitutional Court would never allow such an amendment to see the light of day. Please refer to Section 313.

[ginjag]

A constitutional convention is needed while the election goes forward and a government is elected with the mandate to govern. Constitution convention delegates representative of the whole of the population need to be elected to write a new charter covenant by which the country will function.

An exclusionary government appointed by those who appoint is a farce and a guaranteed failure.

No one anywhere at any time has ever improved democracy by attacking voters at the polls on election day while promising to conduct, honor, respect the holding of....elections. The absurdity and the vile cynicism of Suthep and the PDRC are self evident. No one can trust or believe them concerning their so called "reforms."

Meanwhile the PM the country presently has is the only PM the country needs or should have.

You talk complete rubbish and bumf.

No elected government that ruled undemocratically should not be given second chances.

AGAIN please do not blame protesters for preventing voting, as everyone knows deplorable governing caused it all. They should bow out of the scene for their part in all these deaths and turmoil.

To my mind there is no PM worthy in the PTP to hold any position. Guilty Mi Lord.

I talk anti-fascist talk.

The more you post the less you say.

You claim to advocate democracy while you in fact support the violent suppression of it - you, Suthep, the PDRC, Abhisit, the DP.

The Feb 2nd election failed because Suthep and the feudal PDRC conducted violent assaults against innocent voters at the polls. The election failed because of the DP led by Abhisit, the PDRC led by Suthep, the EC controlled by the ammart.

Now come Suthep and the senate foul forty appointed senators who want to appoint a government and PM. So now the appointed want to be the appointers.

Let the voters decide. The electorate are sovereign, not Suthep, not the senate, not the PDRC, not Abhisit, not the DP, not the PTP. Let the voters decide.

I support sod all really, only clean governing, if I fall into the things you say that's all your doing not mine.

If you read my posts I criticize Terrible--diabolical governing.

No second chances for crime ridden government, most to be brought before the courts yet.

Why are you persistently bringing linking my name with all the rabble ??? just because I truthfully point the finger at the original lousy governing.

The voters will decide---yes let them WHEN the dung has been up before the bench so we can see who is left clean to vote for.

Maybe from this post you will understand my stance is for democratically elected government, governing democratically.

All your other accusations are BS and this is the normal ploy of denial---DENIAL do not blame me for your ill advised posts.

[h90]

On behalf of the people via a referendum or is it only palatable to have reforms on behalf of Phuea Thai.

The last referendum was on the 2007 Constitution. As you know, the military dictatorship stated that there would be no elections unless its constitution was passed. The dictatorship also forbade any dissenting views and outlawed any activity that was not in support of the constitution. That's how referendums have been conducted in Thailand.

The PTP gets its mandate at the ballot box. The Democrats and the military dictatorship get their mandate by pointing guns at people and by suspending civil liberties.

Lie 1: No, the government told that if the 2007 constitution got rejected, it will go with a slight modified 1996 constitution.

Lie 2: Dissenting views were not forbidden and the Thaksin camp did a lot "anti-constitution", no one was ever arrested because of promoting to vote not to it. I was here at that time.

The PTP gets his mandate with vote buying. The Democrats don't get it at all, as they aren't rich enough to buy the votes.

Agree with the first part disagree with the second.

My Thai wife and immediate family are lifelong Democrat supporters and come election time take the handout from the local Democrat candidate.

Vote buying takes place by ALL political parties.

Hopefully, if reform does happen, this will be one of the first things to be addressed.

Yes all the parties buy votes, surely some local Democrat candidates do some hand-outs. But they don't have the resources to flood the large population of center, Esaan and North with money like Thaksin does.

and note, I am not saying the Democrats are Saints, they just don't have the resources to pay more than Thaksin does, countrywide. Of course it is also about buying the media and local headmen. To reduce it to vote buying is too simple.

If you and me make a party and we would have Trillions to spend we could be premier after the next election.

That why Suthep told, that it wouldn't help if the Democrats make the government as they couldn't (or wouldn't want) to do the necessary reforms as they are part of the system.

[Melyn]

Elections and then in 4 years another election.

Democracy is not perfect but if Thailand allows democracy they will eventually get fair government.

When the Bangkok elite keep taking away the people's chosen government it just leads to extremes and a divided society.

And all the cheating, lying, dishonestly and corruption just gets ignored?

Round and round the same circle how many times before you see sense?

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I feel that it will be better to have my circles rather than the repeated cicle of election then coup that Thailand has been suffering for the last 10 years. Every time that the Bangkok eleite remove a popular government they just come back even stronger.

Let us have an election and a real opposition that fights on the principlrs. It may take 20 years for democracy to fully develope but it will be better than the recuuring election/coup cycle that Thailand is suffering from now.

Thait Spot is right. You're just prolonging the same rotary club of nonsense

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[thesetat2013]

Elections and then in 4 years another election.

Democracy is not perfect but if Thailand allows democracy they will eventually get fair government.

When the Bangkok elite keep taking away the people's chosen government it just leads to extremes and a divided society.

And when the PTP Elite and the ammart followers of Thaksin decide to let go of their stronghold and allow free speech in the north then maybe elections would be fair. Of course they would also have to start being honest, law abiding citizens. Since your party would never concern themselves with such trivial pursuits and will never allow anti PTP goverment supporters to speak in their stronghold and since they have shown countless times they dont care what happens to the general public as long as they stay in power and they dont care bout the law then a free and fair election will never happen

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[Baerboxer]

Elections and then in 4 years another election.

Democracy is not perfect but if Thailand allows democracy they will eventually get fair government.

When the Bangkok elite keep taking away the people's chosen government it just leads to extremes and a divided society.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is Einstein's definition of insanity.

Have a think why he said that and see if you can reach the same conclusion.

Hint: all the Shin regimes get removed for breaking the law.

[Publicus]

Do not blame the protesters for blocking the vote!

What the basic human right to vote ?

I don't want to live in your world!

Indeed.

Their world directly and deliberately ignores and violates the United Nations International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights

Article 25

Every citizen shall have the right and the opportunity, without any of the distinctions mentioned in article 2 and without unreasonable restrictions:

(a) To take part in the conduct of public affairs, directly or through freely chosen representatives;

(b)To vote and to be elected at genuine periodic elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret ballot, guaranteeing the free expression of the will of the electors;

© To have access, on general terms of equality, to public service in his country.

http://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/pages/ccpr.aspx

Nowhere in the Covenant signed by Thailand in 1996 is it stated that a citizen or group of citizens have the right to declare democratic processes or democracy itself to be invalid based on their own personal and partisan views of the government of the moment. Citizens have the right to vote. Citizens do not have the right to deny other citizens their right to vote or to deny it violently.

It's no coincidence that the appointed foul forty senators want to appoint a competitor and pretender PM and government and oppose an election and its mandate of the voters.

Edited May 15, 2014 by Publicus

[The stuttering parrot]

One I will post how I want when I want and not how you want me to post!

And do yourself a favour!

STOP posting in capital letters like your yelling at someone!

It demeans you and shows insecurity and takes away from points you are trying to make.

[Melyn]

Do not blame the protesters for blocking the vote!

What the basic human right to vote ?

I don't want to live in your world!

The right to vote is no basic human right

Indeed.

Basic rights are those such as fresh air and potable water and there are places where neither is available but remain unactioned by the current regime. Rubbish burning, toxic waste, farm burn-off and polluted water are weekly events.

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[ratcatcher]

The yellow shirts and their proxies are desperately weaseling themselves into a power grab. This is just another dirty trick in their long list of shameful attempts in swindling the electorate.

Actually moonie, I think what they are doing is called finagling.

Weaseling is normally used when someone is trying to escape something.

Prompong Nopparit has managed to weasel his way out of going to jail and Nattawut and Jatuporn have weaseled their way out of going back to jail for breaking their bail terms.

As for swindling, the Count of Montenegro and PTP wrote the darned book on that subject..

[AleG]

no reforms then elections..i think these people who are thai know better than us..correct. it is their country..

but more voting Thais disagree. How can you have reforms before an election? Who will make these reforms? What legitimacy will they have?

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In the botched February 2nd elections more Thais decided not to vote than to vote, and many of those that voted one third voted blank or invalidated their ballots. So your "more voting Thais disagree" has no basis in facts.

[Thait Spot]

Elections and then in 4 years another election.

Democracy is not perfect but if Thailand allows democracy they will eventually get fair government.

When the Bangkok elite keep taking away the people's chosen government it just leads to extremes and a divided society.

And all the cheating, lying, dishonestly and corruption just gets ignored?

Round and round the same circle how many times before you see sense?

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I feel that it will be better to have my circles rather than the repeated cicle of election then coup that Thailand has been suffering for the last 10 years. Every time that the Bangkok eleite remove a popular government they just come back even stronger.

Let us have an election and a real opposition that fights on the principlrs. It may take 20 years for democracy to fully develope but it will be better than the recuuring election/coup cycle that Thailand is suffering from now.

One of the most common definitions of madness

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[Publicus]

Elections and then in 4 years another election.

Democracy is not perfect but if Thailand allows democracy they will eventually get fair government.

When the Bangkok elite keep taking away the people's chosen government it just leads to extremes and a divided society.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is Einstein's definition of insanity.

Have a think why he said that and see if you can reach the same conclusion.

Hint: all the Shin regimes get removed for breaking the law.

The people continually removing "all the Shin regimes" are the groundhogs who exactly fit Einstein's description. Those people are the Bangkok ammarts..

[neverdie]

The yellow shirts and their proxies are desperately weaseling themselves into a power grab. This is just another dirty trick in their long list of shameful attempts in swindling the electorate.

Actually moonie, I think what they are doing is called finagling.

Weaseling is normally used when someone is trying to escape something.

Prompong Nopparit has managed to weasel his way out of going to jail and Nattawut and Jatuporn have weaseled their way out of going back to jail for breaking their bail terms.

As for swindling, the Count of Montenegro and PTP wrote the darned book on that subject..

devious indeed. some people here have doctorates in this.

[pkspeaker]

The Senate is out of session, it has no legal power, period. It can't even pass a non-binding resolution much less 'appoint' a PM.. and I love the way these pad/pdrc idiots have even insisted that the senate speaker alone, has the right to appoint a PM.. these idiots can have their little shenanigans at the state house all they want, there is not going to be an appointed PM, if they try to 'pretend' they have the right to do so, its just going to bring a bunch of DSI charges against them .. they can appoint whoever the want in their 'informal sessions' it will never have the force of law

The military is against an appointed PM.

CAPO, the cops, have said they will not allow it.

The Yingluck caretaker Government will not allow it.

The KING in 2007 said that section 7 cannot be used to appoint a PM! THE KING.

The ONLY way an appointed PM could happen is if ALL the aforementioned orgs ​agreed to it.. Im pretty sure that will not happen.

I love the way these pad/pdrc/ democrat-establishment idiots claim to have so much respect and adoration for the KING, but then turn around and defy his direct order.

Edited May 15, 2014 by pkspeaker

[moonao]

The yellow shirts and their proxies are desperately weaseling themselves into a power grab. This is just another dirty trick in their long list of shameful attempts in swindling the electorate.

Actually moonie, I think what they are doing is called finagling.

Weaseling is normally used when someone is trying to escape something.

Prompong Nopparit has managed to weasel his way out of going to jail and Nattawut and Jatuporn have weaseled their way out of going back to jail for breaking their bail terms.

As for swindling, the Count of Montenegro and PTP wrote the darned book on that subject..

They are trying to escape elections. Weaseling out of them like pros

[ginjag]

One I will post how I want when I want and not how you want me to post!

And do yourself a favour!

STOP posting in capital letters like your yelling at someone!

It demeans you and shows insecurity and takes away from points you are trying to make.

Up to you how you post Mr touchy.

Only it is normal to reply by using the original post--that's all.

I have NEVER posted all in capitols, the TVF rules say do not. Sometimes capitols are used to get a valid point over, when the previous poster disregards the point.

Stop pro government denials, admit them and then argue the points of other things.

Come clean and honest about deplorable governing.

[sweatalot]

Disband all protest movements, restore law and order and have elections three months afterwards- everybody has said their piece now it's time to get back to reality. Interim govt making reforms on behalf of who? It is just not valid.

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restore law and order and have elections three months afterwards

o.k.

law and order means

reinforcement of FREE elections

no hate radio

no intimidation

no vote buying

no lies

no unrealistic promises

every party can have events everywhere - if they are blocked the party which has advantage will be excluded from election in that area

if this can be attained within 3 months - why not?

[ThailandNoob]

The country definitely needs a government. Elections on the short term do not seem possible. Then yes, the senate should play a central part in installing a temp government. Or perhaps the King.

A new pm should be one acceptable to all sides. My favorite would be Surin. Someone else suggested Prayuth. Anyone else have a constructive idea?

Why aren't elections possible? Because Suthep and his thugs use the threat of violence to shut them down? If so, then how about dispensing with the fiction that they are "peaceful" and cracking down on them to make sure that polling booths stay open?

Installing an unelected government is going to seriously risk civil war. Especially if Prayuth leads it ...

[robblok]

Elections and then in 4 years another election.

Democracy is not perfect but if Thailand allows democracy they will eventually get fair government.

When the Bangkok elite keep taking away the people's chosen government it just leads to extremes and a divided society.

A corrupt dictator or corrupt incompetent government still remains a the same even if elected.

However some reforms to make sure the government does keep to the checks and balances not robs the country blind and curbs nepotism and then elections is far better.

[ginjag]

The country definitely needs a government. Elections on the short term do not seem possible. Then yes, the senate should play a central part in installing a temp government. Or perhaps the King.

A new pm should be one acceptable to all sides. My favorite would be Surin. Someone else suggested Prayuth. Anyone else have a constructive idea?

Why aren't elections possible? Because Suthep and his thugs use the threat of violence to shut them down? If so, then how about dispensing with the fiction that they are "peaceful" and cracking down on them to make sure that polling booths stay open?

Installing an unelected government is going to seriously risk civil war. Especially if Prayuth leads it ...

Please , you can never have clean elections in an unstable environment. The said government created this , so why blame all and sundry ????

Until this guilty undemocratic run PTP is summand before the courts for violations -there cannot be any advancement in a democratic vote.

[pkspeaker]

hate radio-freedm of speech, it's hard to control the internet or radio,

The only intimidation was sutheps thugs preventing epople from voting, the REDS are not intimidating ANYONE that is willing to respect the election, why would they? they know they will win the election, they don't NEED to intimidate anyone.

There is no vote-buying, or vote fraud is not happening at a significant level, if it does the EC and international orgs monitoring the election will take notice and the election will be void, certainly not enough vote fraud to effect the PT landslide election victories, with them getting more than 300 seats in the last election vs. the dems 108, the rest going to smaller parties.

no lies and unrealistic promises-are you kidding, ITS AN ELECTION for fks sake.

If NOW is not a good time for elections then when is, if not now, then the caretaker PT govt continues on until IT IS possible to have an election, so again its pointless to wait.

Disband all protest movements, restore law and order and have elections three months afterwards- everybody has said their piece now it's time to get back to reality. Interim govt making reforms on behalf of who? It is just not valid.

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restore law and order and have elections three months afterwards

o.k.

law and order means

reinforcement of FREE elections

no hate radio

no intimidation

no vote buying

no lies

no unrealistic promises

every party can have events everywhere - if they are blocked the party which has advantage will be excluded from election in that area

if this can be attained within 3 months - why not?

Edited May 15, 2014 by pkspeaker

[Fat Haggis]

The point is that no matter the opinions and thoughts herein TVF at the end of the day it comes down to what the Thais themselves agree on and for everyone else it's just wishful thinking.

The Farang that have a vote will be part of this, the majority here who don't will just have to accept the outcomes and get on with their lives

[Scamper]

Pheu Thai says have an election now. The people will decide. If they want reforms, they might get them after the election. If not, or get reforms they don't want, they can still vote their approval or disapproval four years later in the next election. Pheu Thai believes the next election will be different from the last. They believe that the election will proceed peacefully and orderly, and they'll get their quorum, and reforms can yet again focus on Thaksin. But what if they're wrong ? What if everyone stood down, and said - OK. No reforms. Let's have an election. ( Exactly what are the realistic prospects of that ? ) What happens if the election is also inconclusive ? What then ? Go through the procedure all over again ? What gives Pheu Thai the confidence that an election could be successfully held ? In what way are conditions different than they were between December and February ? The EC has strong worries, not because they are prejudiced against Pheu Thai, but because they saw what everyone else saw in the last election, and they see no change from that. Those in the Senate, those from the business community - they see the same thing that Pheu Thai refuses to see. Yesterday, The Lawyers Council of Thailand cited Article 132 that they say gives the Senate the power to nominate a prime minister. What is so interesting is that this was from the Lawyers Council of Thailand. It wasn't from the Democratic party. It wasn't from the PDRC.

It is true that it is in Pheu Thai's interests - and most certainly in Thaksin's interests - to have an election now and " promised reforms " later ( like 2011 ). That is unmistakably clear. But how can they be so confident that the election will be any different than it was on February 2 ? Isn't it in Pheu Thai's own interests to sit down and talk ? And conversely, isn't it emphatically not in Pheu Thai's interests to prevent everyone else from talking ? Pheu Thai - you want an election. The reform movement wants reform. Why not hold both an election and a referendum on the same day ? No - not a campaign slogan that simply " promises " both. A separate ballot for reform and a separate ballot for a party. Whatever party wins is legally obligated to carry out the reforms - if those reforms pass the referendum. This is an idea that has been bandied about recently. It has the largest chance of bringing all sides together and breaking the impasse. The other route - promises nothing other than the gridlock that is now being experienced. It's really hard to argue that reality.

Edited May 15, 2014 by Scamper

[sweatalot]

hate radio-freedm of speech, it's hard to control the internet or radio,

The only intimidation was sutheps thugs preventing epople from voting, the REDS are not intimidating ANYONE that is willing to respect the election, why would they? they know they will win the election, they don't NEED to intimidate anyone.

There is no vote-buying, or vote fraud is not happening at a significant level, if it does the EC and international orgs monitoring the election will take notice and the election will be void, certainly not enough vote fraud to effect the PT landslide election victories, with them getting more than 300 seats in the last election vs. the dems 108, the rest going to smaller parties.

no lies and unrealistic promises-are you kidding, ITS AN ELECTION for fks sake.

If NOW is not a good time for elections then when is, if not now, then the caretaker PT govt continues on until IT IS possible to have an election, so again its pointless to wait.

Disband all protest movements, restore law and order and have elections three months afterwards- everybody has said their piece now it's time to get back to reality. Interim govt making reforms on behalf of who? It is just not valid.

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restore law and order and have elections three months afterwards

o.k.

law and order means

reinforcement of FREE elections

no hate radio

no intimidation

no vote buying

no lies

no unrealistic promises

every party can have events everywhere - if they are blocked the party which has advantage will be excluded from election in that area

if this can be attained within 3 months - why not?

the REDS are not intimidating ANYONE that is willing to respect the election, why would they? they know they will win the election, they don't NEED to intimidate anyone.

you serious? I don't need to go into other details of your post t

[moonao]

The yellow shirts and their proxies are desperately weaseling themselves into a power grab. This is just another dirty trick in their long list of shameful attempts in swindling the electorate.

Actually moonie, I think what they are doing is called finagling.

Weaseling is normally used when someone is trying to escape something.

Prompong Nopparit has managed to weasel his way out of going to jail and Nattawut and Jatuporn have weaseled their way out of going back to jail for breaking their bail terms.

As for swindling, the Count of Montenegro and PTP wrote the darned book on that subject..

devious indeed. some people here have doctorates in this.

Abhisit will probably get the award for this if a ceremony was held.