Senate, Suthep's big hope to topple govt

[rubl]

Elections can't ever happen in Thailand as long as violent PDRC militants strategically attack voters in their own southern strongholds, innocent voters who dare to try voting, and simultaneously execute violent attacks against voters in central areas of Thailand and Bangkok, voters that dare to come out to vote. Simply by strategically attacking and thus shutting down a number of voting precincts in their own areas of the South and Central areas, the violent militants can indefinitely prevent a general election. It would appear you haven't any problem with this, and in fact like it and support it, advocate it.

You seem to support that in 2007 the Army sent out soldiers to threaten voters to accept the coup written constitution and again in 2008 to try to change voters to the Democrat Party instead of the voters' preferred People's Power Party, the predecessor of PTP until it was dissolved by the CC in yet another judicial coup.

Your "true democracy" looks like what it is, which is democracy violently destroyed or just a plain old-fashioned state coerced democracy itself.

People who support or advocate violently destroying elections go beyond the abuses of it by means of bribery or social pressure. People who support or advocate violently suppressing democracy are never to be trusted or believed when they say they are democrats who support democracy and will hold an election. People who violently destroy elections are against elections, always and every time.

No one anywhere or at any time ever improved democracy by violently destroying an election and by physically attacking voters at the polling stations. Never. Not ever.

A bit of distortion there, I think.

From the Feb2 elections result someone posted to show the major victory of Pheu Thai. There's a post here on TV with a nice picture and a link.

I only noted some rough data:

votes                     2011       2014
registered voters         47m         43m
votes cast                35.2m      20.5m
spoiled/invalid/no vote   2.7m       5.88m

region     voters   cast    for parties   invalid
Nation     43m      20.5m    14.64m       5.88m
North       8.5m    4.77m     3m          1.78m/37.24%
NorthEast  16.3m    9m        7.3m        1,71m/19.97%
Central    12.2m    5m        3.2m        1.82m/36.36%
South       1.62m   0.6m       .38m        .21m/36.25%
Bangkok     4.37m   1.13m      .77m        .36m/31.54%

Of course these figures show that especially in the Pheu Thai strongholds North and NorthEast voters were clearly intimidated, oppressed, terrorised and scared away

My post addresses the strategic destruction of the election by having the fascist PDRC thugs close the polling stations in their own voting precinct stations in their own home territory.

I though you could read for at least some comprehension.

The militant thugs didn't have to go up north to scare voters.

You know this, and you know the thugs were concentrated in their own region - the South, Bangkok, some of the Central Plains - to intimidate enough voters to shut down 10% of precinct polling stations, which the judges of course found sufficient to nullify the election while ignoring or dismissing the cause, which was Suthep, the cave man PDRc, their assigned thugs.

No one any time anywhere ever improved democracy by violently attacking innocent voters at the polling stations for the strategic purpose of cancelling the election. No one. Never. Not ever. Never believe such people when they tell you they believe in equal democracy and that they will hold elections. Never. Not ever.

People determined to "seize power" are not democrats who believe in democratic processes or in equal vote elections.

Your assertions in marching out data that are irrelevant and immaterial are specious.

You do tend to go on about 'violent militants' don't you. Especially the link to "central" seems a bit off the mark. Were voters attacked on Feb2?

What you fail to grasp from the unofficial voting results is a strongly diminished Pheu Thai love, with voters rather vote 'no vote' and don't bother than vote for some other party.

What you totally fail to grasp it would seem is that 'elections are democratic' is plain and utter manure. It's just one aspect of a democratic society. You may not like people telling you what to do, but with you being an anti-fascist and with you quoting from the kasama website which in describing itself has "The problems of humanity require communism" and "all of which requires radically new forms of democratic control by previously powerless people." you're just a bad as the people you condemn it would seem.

http://kasamaproject.org/threads/entry/the-solstice-part-3#sthash.OIFf8eS0.dpuf

[Publicus]

Elections can't ever happen in Thailand as long as violent PDRC militants strategically attack voters in their own southern strongholds, innocent voters who dare to try voting, and simultaneously execute violent attacks against voters in central areas of Thailand and Bangkok, voters that dare to come out to vote. Simply by strategically attacking and thus shutting down a number of voting precincts in their own areas of the South and Central areas, the violent militants can indefinitely prevent a general election. It would appear you haven't any problem with this, and in fact like it and support it, advocate it.

You seem to support that in 2007 the Army sent out soldiers to threaten voters to accept the coup written constitution and again in 2008 to try to change voters to the Democrat Party instead of the voters' preferred People's Power Party, the predecessor of PTP until it was dissolved by the CC in yet another judicial coup.

Your "true democracy" looks like what it is, which is democracy violently destroyed or just a plain old-fashioned state coerced democracy itself.

People who support or advocate violently destroying elections go beyond the abuses of it by means of bribery or social pressure. People who support or advocate violently suppressing democracy are never to be trusted or believed when they say they are democrats who support democracy and will hold an election. People who violently destroy elections are against elections, always and every time.

No one anywhere or at any time ever improved democracy by violently destroying an election and by physically attacking voters at the polling stations. Never. Not ever.

A bit of distortion there, I think.

From the Feb2 elections result someone posted to show the major victory of Pheu Thai. There's a post here on TV with a nice picture and a link.

I only noted some rough data:

votes                     2011       2014
registered voters         47m         43m
votes cast                35.2m      20.5m
spoiled/invalid/no vote   2.7m       5.88m

region     voters   cast    for parties   invalid
Nation     43m      20.5m    14.64m       5.88m
North       8.5m    4.77m     3m          1.78m/37.24%
NorthEast  16.3m    9m        7.3m        1,71m/19.97%
Central    12.2m    5m        3.2m        1.82m/36.36%
South       1.62m   0.6m       .38m        .21m/36.25%
Bangkok     4.37m   1.13m      .77m        .36m/31.54%

Of course these figures show that especially in the Pheu Thai strongholds North and NorthEast voters were clearly intimidated, oppressed, terrorised and scared away

My post addresses the strategic destruction of the election by having the fascist PDRC thugs close the polling stations in their own voting precinct stations in their own home territory.

I though you could read for at least some comprehension.

The militant thugs didn't have to go up north to scare voters.

You know this, and you know the thugs were concentrated in their own region - the South, Bangkok, some of the Central Plains - to intimidate enough voters to shut down 10% of precinct polling stations, which the judges of course found sufficient to nullify the election while ignoring or dismissing the cause, which was Suthep, the cave man PDRc, their assigned thugs.

No one any time anywhere ever improved democracy by violently attacking innocent voters at the polling stations for the strategic purpose of cancelling the election. No one. Never. Not ever. Never believe such people when they tell you they believe in equal democracy and that they will hold elections. Never. Not ever.

People determined to "seize power" are not democrats who believe in democratic processes or in equal vote elections.

Your assertions in marching out data that are irrelevant and immaterial are specious.

You do tend to go on about 'violent militants' don't you. Especially the link to "central" seems a bit off the mark. Were voters attacked on Feb2?

What you fail to grasp from the unofficial voting results is a strongly diminished Pheu Thai love, with voters rather vote 'no vote' and don't bother than vote for some other party.

What you totally fail to grasp it would seem is that 'elections are democratic' is plain and utter manure. It's just one aspect of a democratic society. You may not like people telling you what to do, but with you being an anti-fascist and with you quoting from the kasama website which in describing itself has "The problems of humanity require communism" and "all of which requires radically new forms of democratic control by previously powerless people." you're just a bad as the people you condemn it would seem.

http://kasamaproject.org/threads/entry/the-solstice-part-3#sthash.OIFf8eS0.dpuf

My only political affiliation is with the Democratic Party of the United States.

Kasama is a bit out there in its ideology but, as with myself and the many varied and diverse organizations globally speaking, they are anti-fascist.

And you?

Thailand already is the case study of the failure of democracy to sustain itself against the rise of the right and its relentless onslaught. Each place is different yet each one has this commonality. The governments of liberal democracies see this as do the civil society groups, investors, academics, military commanders, financial banks and houses, public interest organizations etc.

It's already been written about extensively, broadly, globally - Thailand, the case study.

[rubl]

You do tend to go on about 'violent militants' don't you. Especially the link to "central" seems a bit off the mark. Were voters attacked on Feb2?

What you fail to grasp from the unofficial voting results is a strongly diminished Pheu Thai love, with voters rather vote 'no vote' and don't bother than vote for some other party.

What you totally fail to grasp it would seem is that 'elections are democratic' is plain and utter manure. It's just one aspect of a democratic society. You may not like people telling you what to do, but with you being an anti-fascist and with you quoting from the kasama website which in describing itself has "The problems of humanity require communism" and "all of which requires radically new forms of democratic control by previously powerless people." you're just a bad as the people you condemn it would seem.

http://kasamaproject.org/threads/entry/the-solstice-part-3#sthash.OIFf8eS0.dpuf

My only political affiliation is with the Democratic Party of the United States.

Kasama is a bit out there in its ideology but, as with myself and the many varied and diverse organizations globally speaking, they are anti-fascist.

And you?

Thailand already is the case study of the failure of democracy to sustain itself against the rise of the right and its relentless onslaught. Each place is different yet each one has this commonality. The governments of liberal democracies see this as do the civil society groups, investors, academics, military commanders, financial banks and houses, public interest organizations etc.

It's already been written about extensively, broadly, globally - Thailand, the case study.

"Anti-fascism is the opposition to fascist ideologies, groups and individuals. The related term antifa, derived from the German word Antifaschismus, usually refers to militant left-wing individuals and groups who actively oppose fascism and fascists."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascist

I'm not anti-whatever, I'm pro-humans.

As you write Thailand is a failed democracy. That means work is needed to build up a democracy. You do not do that with just elections. Force may be necessary, but to find a few good men to apply that force and find a truly independent group who can keep the few good men in check in near human impossible. Still I believe that if the younger generation in PDRC can get reform definition started and somehow manages to slowly move aside the older ones (from all sides), we may have a chance.

[fab4]

My post addresses the strategic destruction of the election by having the fascist PDRC thugs close the polling stations in their own voting precinct stations in their own home territory.

I though you could read for at least some comprehension.

The militant thugs didn't have to go up north to scare voters.

You know this, and you know the thugs were concentrated in their own region - the South, Bangkok, some of the Central Plains - to intimidate enough voters to shut down 10% of precinct polling stations, which the judges of course found sufficient to nullify the election while ignoring or dismissing the cause, which was Suthep, the cave man PDRc, their assigned thugs.

No one any time anywhere ever improved democracy by violently attacking innocent voters at the polling stations for the strategic purpose of cancelling the election. No one. Never. Not ever. Never believe such people when they tell you they believe in equal democracy and that they will hold elections. Never. Not ever.

People determined to "seize power" are not democrats who believe in democratic processes or in equal vote elections.

Your assertions in marching out data that are irrelevant and immaterial are specious.

You do tend to go on about 'violent militants' don't you. Especially the link to "central" seems a bit off the mark. Were voters attacked on Feb2?

What you fail to grasp from the unofficial voting results is a strongly diminished Pheu Thai love, with voters rather vote 'no vote' and don't bother than vote for some other party.

What you totally fail to grasp it would seem is that 'elections are democratic' is plain and utter manure. It's just one aspect of a democratic society. You may not like people telling you what to do, but with you being an anti-fascist and with you quoting from the kasama website which in describing itself has "The problems of humanity require communism" and "all of which requires radically new forms of democratic control by previously powerless people." you're just a bad as the people you condemn it would seem.

http://kasamaproject.org/threads/entry/the-solstice-part-3#sthash.OIFf8eS0.dpuf

Were voters attacked on February 2nd?

Yes rubl they were but I'll presume you'll leap to the defence of the anti democrats

[chotthee]

My post addresses the strategic destruction of the election by having the fascist PDRC thugs close the polling stations in their own voting precinct stations in their own home territory.

I though you could read for at least some comprehension.

The militant thugs didn't have to go up north to scare voters.

You know this, and you know the thugs were concentrated in their own region - the South, Bangkok, some of the Central Plains - to intimidate enough voters to shut down 10% of precinct polling stations, which the judges of course found sufficient to nullify the election while ignoring or dismissing the cause, which was Suthep, the cave man PDRc, their assigned thugs.

No one any time anywhere ever improved democracy by violently attacking innocent voters at the polling stations for the strategic purpose of cancelling the election. No one. Never. Not ever. Never believe such people when they tell you they believe in equal democracy and that they will hold elections. Never. Not ever.

People determined to "seize power" are not democrats who believe in democratic processes or in equal vote elections.

Your assertions in marching out data that are irrelevant and immaterial are specious.

You do tend to go on about 'violent militants' don't you. Especially the link to "central" seems a bit off the mark. Were voters attacked on Feb2?

What you fail to grasp from the unofficial voting results is a strongly diminished Pheu Thai love, with voters rather vote 'no vote' and don't bother than vote for some other party.

What you totally fail to grasp it would seem is that 'elections are democratic' is plain and utter manure. It's just one aspect of a democratic society. You may not like people telling you what to do, but with you being an anti-fascist and with you quoting from the kasama website which in describing itself has "The problems of humanity require communism" and "all of which requires radically new forms of democratic control by previously powerless people." you're just a bad as the people you condemn it would seem.

http://kasamaproject.org/threads/entry/the-solstice-part-3#sthash.OIFf8eS0.dpuf

Were voters attacked on February 2nd?

Yes rubl they were but I'll presume you'll leap to the defence of the anti democrats

Photo looked staged to me.

Why is he laughing?

[rubl]

My post addresses the strategic destruction of the election by having the fascist PDRC thugs close the polling stations in their own voting precinct stations in their own home territory.

I though you could read for at least some comprehension.

The militant thugs didn't have to go up north to scare voters.

You know this, and you know the thugs were concentrated in their own region - the South, Bangkok, some of the Central Plains - to intimidate enough voters to shut down 10% of precinct polling stations, which the judges of course found sufficient to nullify the election while ignoring or dismissing the cause, which was Suthep, the cave man PDRc, their assigned thugs.

No one any time anywhere ever improved democracy by violently attacking innocent voters at the polling stations for the strategic purpose of cancelling the election. No one. Never. Not ever. Never believe such people when they tell you they believe in equal democracy and that they will hold elections. Never. Not ever.

People determined to "seize power" are not democrats who believe in democratic processes or in equal vote elections.

Your assertions in marching out data that are irrelevant and immaterial are specious.

You do tend to go on about 'violent militants' don't you. Especially the link to "central" seems a bit off the mark. Were voters attacked on Feb2?

What you fail to grasp from the unofficial voting results is a strongly diminished Pheu Thai love, with voters rather vote 'no vote' and don't bother than vote for some other party.

What you totally fail to grasp it would seem is that 'elections are democratic' is plain and utter manure. It's just one aspect of a democratic society. You may not like people telling you what to do, but with you being an anti-fascist and with you quoting from the kasama website which in describing itself has "The problems of humanity require communism" and "all of which requires radically new forms of democratic control by previously powerless people." you're just a bad as the people you condemn it would seem.

http://kasamaproject.org/threads/entry/the-solstice-part-3#sthash.OIFf8eS0.dpuf

Were voters attacked on February 2nd?

Yes rubl they were but I'll presume you'll leap to the defence of the anti democrats

-- photo removed, no need to show again --

A photo without any data proving it was made on Feb2 and that the guy held is a voter?

Just a bit of humour like the photo of the monk with rifle from 2004?

BTW did you read the new topic on

"Zero tolerance for disruptive behaviour during the present crisis"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/727616-zero-tolerance-for-disruptive-behaviour-during-the-present-crisis/

Edited May 20, 2014 by rubl

[Publicus]

My post addresses the strategic destruction of the election by having the fascist PDRC thugs close the polling stations in their own voting precinct stations in their own home territory.

I though you could read for at least some comprehension.

The militant thugs didn't have to go up north to scare voters.

You know this, and you know the thugs were concentrated in their own region - the South, Bangkok, some of the Central Plains - to intimidate enough voters to shut down 10% of precinct polling stations, which the judges of course found sufficient to nullify the election while ignoring or dismissing the cause, which was Suthep, the cave man PDRc, their assigned thugs.

No one any time anywhere ever improved democracy by violently attacking innocent voters at the polling stations for the strategic purpose of cancelling the election. No one. Never. Not ever. Never believe such people when they tell you they believe in equal democracy and that they will hold elections. Never. Not ever.

People determined to "seize power" are not democrats who believe in democratic processes or in equal vote elections.

Your assertions in marching out data that are irrelevant and immaterial are specious.

You do tend to go on about 'violent militants' don't you. Especially the link to "central" seems a bit off the mark. Were voters attacked on Feb2?

What you fail to grasp from the unofficial voting results is a strongly diminished Pheu Thai love, with voters rather vote 'no vote' and don't bother than vote for some other party.

What you totally fail to grasp it would seem is that 'elections are democratic' is plain and utter manure. It's just one aspect of a democratic society. You may not like people telling you what to do, but with you being an anti-fascist and with you quoting from the kasama website which in describing itself has "The problems of humanity require communism" and "all of which requires radically new forms of democratic control by previously powerless people." you're just a bad as the people you condemn it would seem.

http://kasamaproject.org/threads/entry/the-solstice-part-3#sthash.OIFf8eS0.dpuf

Were voters attacked on February 2nd?

Yes rubl they were but I'll presume you'll leap to the defence of the anti democrats

Photo looked staged to me.

Why is he laughing?

We are always wrong and scheming, you are always right and pure.

Always.

The fact is you people aren't fooling anyone except yourselves.

Always.

[fab4]

Were voters attacked on February 2nd?

Yes rubl they were but I'll presume you'll leap to the defence of the anti democrats

-- photo removed, no need to show again --

A photo without any data proving it was made on Feb2 and that the guy held is a voter?

Just a bit of humour like the photo of the monk with rifle from 2004?

BTW did you read the new topic on

"Zero tolerance for disruptive behaviour during the present crisis"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/727616-zero-tolerance-for-disruptive-behaviour-during-the-present-crisis/

Yes I read it. Did you read the one on trying to deflect from the fact that you're wrong again or didn't you get that memo?

It's not humorous, it's a real photo and it is a voter being stopped from voting by PDRC supporters. It was widely discussed on Thai Visa with people like you trying to say that the photo was faked - it wasn't.

You really do show a unpleasant side to your character every now and then. Your snide comment about the mod post shows that this is one of those times.

[djjamie]

Elections can't ever happen in Thailand as long as violent PDRC militants strategically attack voters in their own southern strongholds, innocent voters who dare to try voting, and simultaneously execute violent attacks against voters in central areas of Thailand and Bangkok, voters that dare to come out to vote. Simply by strategically attacking and thus shutting down a number of voting precincts in their own areas of the South and Central areas, the violent militants can indefinitely prevent a general election. It would appear you haven't any problem with this, and in fact like it and support it, advocate it.

You seem to support that in 2007 the Army sent out soldiers to threaten voters to accept the coup written constitution and again in 2008 to try to change voters to the Democrat Party instead of the voters' preferred People's Power Party, the predecessor of PTP until it was dissolved by the CC in yet another judicial coup.

Your "true democracy" looks like what it is, which is democracy violently destroyed or just a plain old-fashioned state coerced democracy itself.

People who support or advocate violently destroying elections go beyond the abuses of it by means of bribery or social pressure. People who support or advocate violently suppressing democracy are never to be trusted or believed when they say they are democrats who support democracy and will hold an election. People who violently destroy elections are against elections, always and every time.

No one anywhere or at any time ever improved democracy by violently destroying an election and by physically attacking voters at the polling stations. Never. Not ever.

A bit of distortion there, I think.

From the Feb2 elections result someone posted to show the major victory of Pheu Thai. There's a post here on TV with a nice picture and a link.

I only noted some rough data:

votes                     2011       2014
registered voters         47m         43m
votes cast                35.2m      20.5m
spoiled/invalid/no vote   2.7m       5.88m

region     voters   cast    for parties   invalid
Nation     43m      20.5m    14.64m       5.88m
North       8.5m    4.77m     3m          1.78m/37.24%
NorthEast  16.3m    9m        7.3m        1,71m/19.97%
Central    12.2m    5m        3.2m        1.82m/36.36%
South       1.62m   0.6m       .38m        .21m/36.25%
Bangkok     4.37m   1.13m      .77m        .36m/31.54%

Of course these figures show that especially in the Pheu Thai strongholds North and NorthEast voters were clearly intimidated, oppressed, terrorised and scared away

My post addresses the strategic destruction of the election by having the fascist PDRC thugs close the polling stations in their own voting precinct stations in their own home territory.

I though you could read for at least some comprehension.

The militant thugs didn't have to go up north to scare voters.

You know this, and you know the thugs were concentrated in their own region - the South, Bangkok, some of the Central Plains - to intimidate enough voters to shut down 10% of precinct polling stations, which the judges of course found sufficient to nullify the election while ignoring or dismissing the cause, which was Suthep, the cave man PDRc, their assigned thugs.

No one any time anywhere ever improved democracy by violently attacking innocent voters at the polling stations for the strategic purpose of cancelling the election. No one. Never. Not ever. Never believe such people when they tell you they believe in equal democracy and that they will hold elections. Never. Not ever.

People determined to "seize power" are not democrats who believe in democratic processes or in equal vote elections.

Your assertions in marching out data that are irrelevant and immaterial are specious.

So you would have us believe the PTP who adhere to 1 principle of democracy called elections even though they were guilty of voter fraud not once but twice in parliament are more democratic than the DEM's that adhere to the other 14 principles.

So you say being 1/15th democratic is more democratic than being 14/15th democratic. That is PTP logic right there...

Next you will parrot the PTP when they said "there is no irregularities in the rice scheme"

Edited July 6, 2014 by djjamie

[mikemac]

........................."You really do show a unpleasant side to your character every now and then."...............................

(at least he only does it "every now and then")

Hysterical ! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, this one takes the cake !!!