More redshirts heading for Bangkok

[binjalin]

Anyone have estimated numbers at Red rally site and the PDRC site?

This is one of the motorcycle brigades ..... no wonder PDRC are building earth berms at the Democracy Monument

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS-8vy-E_b0

You and Binjalin are as bad as fabby. The video was posted on youtube on the 17th with the title

I have never seen this before, do not explain.

So when exactly do you think this was tx22cb? Binjalin thinks they are driving down the road now.

oh bugger... no saving democracy today then

[emilymat]

Anyone who supports fascism needs to take a good hard look at his own reflection before he labels those country bumpkins as ignorant. They voted for someone who was able to help them and not Eton Educated politician who despises smelly and dirty farmers...

That, sir, is a sensible post.

[Thaddeus]

Has anyone noticed ? They are ALL women !! I guess the redshirt guys are all sitting at home waiting for the money to be delivered

Excessive heat and excessive hangovers made a siesta sound more appealing; especially when your old lady can go for you instead. I always was flabbergasted how the women of not only Isarn but the north as well, work much harder than the men, if not so much as keeping the family in tact. They appear more as the head of the household in a lot of cases. I'm sure others have noticed that too.

I've said before that Thailand is a patriarchal society run by women.

[gemini81]

Anyone who supports fascism needs to take a good hard look at his own reflection before he labels those country bumpkins as ignorant. They voted for someone who was able to help them and not Eton Educated politician who despises smelly and dirty farmers...

That, sir, is a sensible post.

They may have voted for someone able to help them, but certainly has chosen not to help them, rather help their families and cronies. Get what you vote for.

[Puwa]

Both sides have participants who join for free and those who are paid to take part.

Both sides include peaceful demonstrators who sit-in, listen to speeches, clap, whistle, and cheer, as well as more aggressive protesters who confront opponents and authorities, seize public and private property, and disrupt the lives and safety of others.

Both sides have used similar tactics of trespass, intimidation, and street violence to coerce goverment, civil service, media and businesses for one reason or another.

Both sides employ "guards" who are given localized, quasi-police powers. They control access to public places, command traffic, and exercise powers of search and detention.

Both sides claim to have the spirit of the law, if not always the letter of law or the institutions of law, on their side.

Both sides use the rhetoric of "eliminating" the enemy from Thai society.

Both sides have their moderate and radical factions. The moderates distance themselves from their movements' individual political leaders and prefer to focus on questions of structural reform. The radicals focus on personalities and reject the idea of compromise.

Both sides must tiptoe around a set of prohibited topics that none of us is permitted to discuss in public, but which are ultimately central to the conflict at hand.

* * *

For these reasons, and many, many others, I don't see how anyone who cares about peace, justice, truth, or--dare I say it?--democracy can choose one side and attack the other as vehemently as many TV users do. Honestly, I think Thailand's political crisis is just another opportunity for angry, frustrated, possibly intoxicated farang to vent their rage, without effect.

[MGP]

Both sides have participants who join for free and those who are paid to take part.

Both sides include peaceful demonstrators who sit-in, listen to speeches, clap, whistle, and cheer, as well as more aggressive protesters who confront opponents and authorities, seize public and private property, and disrupt the lives and safety of others.

Both sides have used similar tactics of trespass, intimidation, and street violence to coerce goverment, civil service, media and businesses for one reason or another.

Both sides employ "guards" who are given localized, quasi-police powers. They control access to public places, command traffic, and exercise powers of search and detention.

Both sides claim to have the spirit of the law, if not always the letter of law or the institutions of law, on their side.

Both sides use the rhetoric of "eliminating" the enemy from Thai society.

Both sides have their moderate and radical factions. The moderates distance themselves from their movements' individual political leaders and prefer to focus on questions of structural reform. The radicals focus on personalities and reject the idea of compromise.

Both sides must tiptoe around a set of prohibited topics that none of us is permitted to discuss in public, but which are ultimately central to the conflict at hand.

* * *

For these reasons, and many, many others, I don't see how anyone who cares about peace, justice, truth, or--dare I say it?--democracy can choose one side and attack the other as vehemently as many TV users do. Honestly, I think Thailand's political crisis is just another opportunity for angry, frustrated, possibly intoxicated farang to vent their rage, without effect.

Are you above all that? If you are, what brings you to participate at this thread of frustrated farangs? Monday intoxication?

Edited May 19, 2014 by MGP

[jaiyen]

No problem giving money to the redshirt village mobs. How about giving some to the rice farmers ? Maybe there are a lot of them going with the redshirts just to get some money .

[emilymat]

Both sides have participants who join for free and those who are paid to take part.

Both sides include peaceful demonstrators who sit-in, listen to speeches, clap, whistle, and cheer, as well as more aggressive protesters who confront opponents and authorities, seize public and private property, and disrupt the lives and safety of others.

Both sides have used similar tactics of trespass, intimidation, and street violence to coerce goverment, civil service, media and businesses for one reason or another.

Both sides employ "guards" who are given localized, quasi-police powers. They control access to public places, command traffic, and exercise powers of search and detention.

Both sides claim to have the spirit of the law, if not always the letter of law or the institutions of law, on their side.

Both sides use the rhetoric of "eliminating" the enemy from Thai society.

Both sides have their moderate and radical factions. The moderates distance themselves from their movements' individual political leaders and prefer to focus on questions of structural reform. The radicals focus on personalities and reject the idea of compromise.

Both sides must tiptoe around a set of prohibited topics that none of us is permitted to discuss in public, but which are ultimately central to the conflict at hand.

* * *

For these reasons, and many, many others, I don't see how anyone who cares about peace, justice, truth, or--dare I say it?--democracy can choose one side and attack the other as vehemently as many TV users do. Honestly, I think Thailand's political crisis is just another opportunity for angry, frustrated, possibly intoxicated farang to vent their rage, without effect.

[Bluespunk]

good for them and for every 1 that goes another 10 in the village cheering them on

was chatting to a Thai teacher the other day and she was explaining how the ammart control everything but the red tide cannot be stopped just slowed down until a fairer, just society is formed

paradigm shift, once started, never stops

Red tide or just dumb country bums who are still looking for handouts? For them its just about the money. C'mon, stop the trolling.

"dumb country bums who are still looking for handouts"

yes those pesky 'dumb country bums' coming to the Big City of the Elite - how dare they!!! AND they are given the VOTE!!! outrageous let's stop them... whoops I forgot we already did

theyve been robbed blind so many times not surprising she is the beacon for those who have been robbed by the yellow eliites again and again

Talking of robbed, have all the farmers been paid for their rice yet?

[tingtongfarang]

At a 1000bht per head wow!

The PDRC were 'compensating' supporters 750baht a day for 'loss of earnings' in January - I know some teacher's that attended and confirmed this. How did you come by your information, or are you just making things up?

Just last week redshirts were filing a complaint with the police as they did,nt get their 100bht as promised,

As for anti government supporters being paid i have only seen it posted on here by government supporters, although i do know a few who join the protests i very much doubt they are being paid.

I can't speak for all, but the PDRC supporters from my company who joined the protests were not paid anything. Some of them did get free meals or food though while they were there.

Back in 2011 I saw Red Shirts being given money first hand.

I don't believe any of the parties involved are above using underhand measures to achieve their desired result however.

I can confirm the free food and drink given by the anti gov protesters, not so many weeks ago i got caught up in the middle of a protest while on my bike...when i realised i was going nowhere and turned the motor off they gave me khaophat and orange juice for my inconvenience.

[3NUMBAS]

theres enough in BKK , dont need to bus them in from outside, those in Bkk work for a pittance doing long hours like serfs from the medieval period ,for the idle rich who have robbed them for years

[Bluespunk]

Anyone who supports fascism needs to take a good hard look at his own reflection before he labels those country bumpkins as ignorant. They voted for someone who was able to help them and not Eton Educated politician who despises smelly and dirty farmers...

That, sir, is a sensible post.

No, no it's not. PT helped the farmers by taking their rice and not paying for it, while at the same time destroying Thailand's position as the leading trader in rice exports. How that helps farmers is beyond me. As for Abhisit, please back up your statement on his attitude towards farmers. As far as I recall the Dems had a sensible and workable scheme in place to aid the farmers, one PT stopped and replaced with their own catastrophic policy.

[dutchisaan]

good for them and for every 1 that goes another 10 in the village cheering them on

was chatting to a Thai teacher the other day and she was explaining how the ammart control everything but the red tide cannot be stopped just slowed down until a fairer, just society is formed

paradigm shift, once started, never stops

I don't agree about your ammart stories ect, as the protesters certainly are not ammart.

But can you imagine how much more can be done for the Thais if corruption is tackled you free up 30% of budget. For that to happen there must be reforms and the biggest example of corruption Taksin has to go.

But tell me what changes do you want and who has to pay it ? Upping up the minimum wage brought a lot of inflation and problems and did not do much good. So tell me what would YOU want changed and how to finance it.

I am all for a fair country but I hate subsidies, I am more for a good education and then figure it out yourself. In my view there will always be differences in salary (and so there should else there is no reason to study or do your best or start a company) but the education should be good so people have similar chances.

The yellows/elitists do not want education for the less well off, they might think more then, and they certainly do not want that, keep em down is the motto of yellows. Suthep has already called issan folks, buffaloes and stated that 1 yellow vote is better than 10 Issan votes. The man is a true mongrel to Thailand, and has done so much damage to the yellow party.

Oh god an other red fanatic, its Taksin with the tablets that destroys education instead of hiring teachers for the money. Taksin has as much to win with dumb people as any side. As long as they are dumb and poor you can control them.

Everyone that I know who supports anti government wants better education as its a way for people to make money and then they are not dependent on handouts and cant be bribed by the monster from Dubai.

You know the saying Ceasar had, give them bread and games. Well the so called goverment is giving the people of Thailand soaps and rice. And we all no they stole enough rice from the farmers.

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[emilymat]

But you miss the fundamental point. You may be well versed on the economics of it all, but the simple fact is they voted in the government. If it's so beastly to themas you say, they can chuck it out at a fresh election, something the other side don't want, as they are opposed to any election as I can see.

[Sunderland]

The Red-Shirt paramilitary forces that are heading for BKK are scary. Seems like Cult of Leadership Militance, N.Korea style

It looks like a cross between a scout jamboree and a Thai school sports day. Somehow I don't think they'll be coming to Bangkok for sightseeing and shopping.

Or are they the elite paratroopers?

You could be right. They are missing in action after all.

[pmugghc]

Anyone have estimated numbers at Red rally site and the PDRC site?

The press is now 'not allowed' to show those photos.

Both sides are scraping dregs, and not 'massing the masses' at all.

I was wondering why no photos, do you have some source for this?

[rubl]

theres enough in BKK , dont need to bus them in from outside, those in Bkk work for a pittance doing long hours like serfs from the medieval period ,for the idle rich who have robbed them for years

Well, unlike serfs, those in Bangkok can leave any moment they like. The Thai that is, maybe domestic servants from Myanmar or Cambodia have less option their as they might risk being sent back to their own country. Note that not only 'idle rich' have such personel, also not so rich Thai and foreigners like the odd maid and driver or two.

Now of course since begin of last year all workers have a minimum wage of 300 Baht a day, Domestic personel also has some days of per month, etc., etc. Made law by the Yingluck government and of course with the follow-up common in Thailand enforced as usual

Edited May 19, 2014 by rubl

[love1012]

At a 1000bht per head wow!

The PDRC were 'compensating' supporters 750baht a day for 'loss of earnings' in January - I know some teacher's that attended and confirmed this. How did you come by your information, or are you just making things up?

I believe you to be a liar - if you're not post evidence of this

[love1012]

theres enough in BKK , dont need to bus them in from outside, those in Bkk work for a pittance doing long hours like serfs from the medieval period ,for the idle rich who have robbed them for years

like u robbed us of a sensible forum!!!

[Sunderland]

Meanwhile in Hong Kong some red shirt people have been meeting his excellency

Sheikh Thaksin of Dubai. Is that T-shirt for Jatuporn or the whole red shirt leadership?

[love1012]

Anyone who supports fascism needs to take a good hard look at his own reflection before he labels those country bumpkins as ignorant. They voted for someone who was able to help them and not Eton Educated politician who despises smelly and dirty farmers...

That, sir, is a sensible post.

hahaha!!! problem was he then started a drug war as an excuse to kill all his political opponents, murdered thousands of innocent people in the south, stole 80 billion baht put land in his divorced wifes name rigged an election after being removed from office, passed a law forbidding Thais from selling their own business then sold his to Singapore and then abused his position of trust further by making dozens of false promises he had no intention of keeping, Reds you are fighting for the return of this - i just hope Thailands business owners leave the country with their money if he ever returns

[love1012]

Meanwhile in Hong Kong some red shirt people have been meeting his excellency

Sheikh Thaksin of Dubai. Is that T-shirt for Jatuporn or the whole red shirt leadership?

Just think..all of these problems now are for the return of that dithering old criminal who'll be dead in 15 years anyway!!! Whatever happens - he's spent the best part of his rancid life IN ~EX~ILE!!!!

[rubl]

Meanwhile in Hong Kong some red shirt people have been meeting his excellency

Sheikh Thaksin of Dubai. Is that T-shirt for Jatuporn or the whole red shirt leadership?

Of late the statement that "red-shirts have evolved beyond Thaksin" hasn't been used too much. I do wonder

[Soutpeel]

The Red-Shirt paramilitary forces that are heading for BKK are scary. Seems like Cult of Leadership Militance, N.Korea style

It looks like a cross between a scout jamboree and a Thai school sports day. Somehow I don't think they'll be coming to Bangkok for sightseeing and shopping.

Or are they the elite paratroopers?

You could be right. They are missing in action after all.

is the one in the middle taking the "selfie" Charlerm in one of his cunning disguises ?

[Bluespunk]

But you miss the fundamental point. You may be well versed on the economics of it all, but the simple fact is they voted in the government. If it's so beastly to themas you say, they can chuck it out at a fresh election, something the other side don't want, as they are opposed to any election as I can see.

That was not the point made in the post at all.

As for elections I'm all for them. As I am for the legal system prosecuting and gaoling those who abuse their position of power and spend their time in power using street thugs to intimidate opponents, the judiciary and generally undermine democratic rule. PT can rule if they win elections, however if they rule as they did over the last three years they deserve gaol and political bans. Winning elections obliges a party to rule for the benefit of the country not themselves and fugitive criminals. PT failed to grasp this basic principle and that is why we have the current mess.

[anteater]

good for them and for every 1 that goes another 10 in the village cheering them on

was chatting to a Thai teacher the other day and she was explaining how the ammart control everything but the red tide cannot be stopped just slowed down until a fairer, just society is formed

paradigm shift, once started, never stops

Red tide or just dumb country bums who are still looking for handouts? For them its just about the money. C'mon, stop the trolling.

Your choice of words reveals your ignorance and racism: "dumb country bums". That's just how the PDRC and the ammart put it, and that's why they are ultimately going to lose. The redshirts don't come to the demonstration for the money, they come because they believe in democracy.

[american12bthai]

The Red-Shirt paramilitary forces that are heading for BKK are scary. Seems like Cult of Leadership Militance, N.Korea style

thai paramilitary. lol. lol, rotfl. dek wen with baseball bats and effective communication are more scarier than these aging clowns who hardly know how to use email.

good, now that we have volunteers. take them to protect the south where they are needed.

[mrtoad]

"Oh god an other red fanatic, its Taksin with the tablets that destroys education instead of hiring teachers for the money. Taksin has as much to win with dumb people as any side. As long as they are dumb and poor you can control them.

Everyone that I know who supports anti government wants better education as its a way for people to make money and then they are not dependent on handouts and cant be bribed by the monster from Dubai."

Thaksin the Omnipotent! Give up you yellow rascals, for He is everywhere, in everything, and cannot be created or destroyed. He is the One!

All Hail the most powerful Being in the universe!

Jesus wept , in town is back.

AKA Pipkins or possibly Fryslan Boppe

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[culicine]

maybe the red shirts should emulate the PRDC and Sutheps manner of intimidation since te army and police do nothing to stop them ie start hounding all the Democart MPs, NACC and Cosntitutional and Election Commisioners and also all the families of the PRDC leaders including their supporters ie Singha, etc. Should be fun to watch.

For heavens sake everyone.......please stop all these nonsense both sides......this wonderful country and its economy is being ripped by both sides.....enough is enough.

They learned those tactics from the red shirts in 2010...you're new here aren't you?

[Asiantravel]

But you miss the fundamental point. You may be well versed on the economics of it all, but the simple fact is they voted in the government. If it's so beastly to themas you say, they can chuck it out at a fresh election, something the other side don't want, as they are opposed to any election as I can see.

That was not the point made in the post at all.

As for elections I'm all for them. As I am for the legal system prosecuting and gaoling those who abuse their position of power and spend their time in power using street thugs to intimidate opponents, the judiciary and generally undermine democratic rule. PT can rule if they win elections, however if they rule as they did over the last three years they deserve gaol and political bans. Winning elections obliges a party to rule for the benefit of the country not themselves and fugitive criminals. PT failed to grasp this basic principle and that is why we have the current mess.

“ to rule for the benefit of the country not themselves “

Oh come on? Other than say perhaps Singapore, I can't think of another country in this entire region where your rather fantasy like conditions actually exist in practice.