500,000 Thais infected with HIV but only half of them get treatment

[UbonRatch]

"However, he said that the problem has eased somewhat as people infected with the virus have more and better access to treatment today and it was the case a decade ago."

and or than (or then, for the uneducated)?

Ration of male to female would help also, in assessing how and where the disease is contracted and spread.

Typical results of a Thai study; there are no references, no realistic data, no assessments of sex related (in this case) indicators, nor is there any closely related doctoral report.

Audacity to say things are much better than ten years ago (assuming it is simply bad reported language), when half or more do not recieve treatment, or return for results of being positive or not... sad indeed.....

Do you speak Thai at a college-level? If not, then it takes some gaul to ridicule a Thai's use of the english language to my way of thinking.

I am also curious how you know the results of the Thai study from a simple news article? Did you google the study? Did you read the abstract? Or do you just assume the news article you just ridiculed is comprehensive?

Half full, half empty mate...its up to you.

You inferred very incorrectly. I was ridiculing English usage of than and then, which you, I am sure, know is very badly misused nowadays, and from which others are learning incorrectly.

As for Thai, after 11 years here, I speak fluently, and read at circa 60% comprehension level. As for results of the study, I made it quite clear they were not, clearly, comprehensive.

My glass is 100% full, thanks.

[laislica]

Despite the Westerners better sex education it seems that many wear a "Holiday Head" and become stupid, catch something nasty and then proceed to self medicate but without adequate medical knowledge.....

Here is an example, on Thai Visa Forum, with a title of: STD Clinic | Ceftriaxone Injection

A Newbie posted this:-

Posted 2014-06-18 14:13:23

Summary of my dilemna:

1. I had sex with a Uni girl.

2. I started to show mild symptoms of chlam/gono. She has no symptoms - did not know anything was wrong.

3. I start to self-medicate (Cefspan / Doxyc). I told her to go to a clinic. She will not go, out of embarrassment!!!

4. The symptoms will not go away (but are extremely mild) - I go to a well-known clinic in BK. I take the swab test - I test negative. The employee tells me, if I stop taking Doxycline, I could return, and presumably test positive. I find this a bit silly (the idea of letting an infection fester on my genitals, just for the sake of testing positive on a swab test...). The employee gives me Azithro.

5. Again, the symptoms will not go away. I return to the clinic, and take the piss text. I now must wait a week for my result.

Presumably, I have a resistant form, and need the Ceftriaxone Injection. The clinic told me that they do not perform the Injection, but that any hospital can perform it - and that they would refer me to one if I test positive.

So, the questions I am throwing out there...

* Should I just go to a hospital and ask for the Injection? Or should I wait for my (presumably) positive result? My understanding, is that, say... in America, if you go to a clinic and complain of these symptoms - they will treat you on the spot... they do not wait a week for a positive test result.

* Does anyone have a recommendation of a hospital/clinic I could have this Injection performed at in BK (preferably near a major BTS)? And does anyone know the approximate cost?

[Bernard Flint]

I despise sex tourists.

What initially attracted you to Thailand then? Buddhism and wats? The food? Atmospehere? Or were you a defunct, Vietnam left-over?

You can't BS a BSer, and believe you me... there's plenty of us here.

None of your business but I found a good woman, good in every respect. On top of that my meagre pension goes a lot further here than back home. I had more than my fair share without paying for it back home. I probably got some of other peoples' share also and I never paid for it. I can't envisage betraying my wife, something that you of course would never understand. If you read what I wrote before you should understand that I have every reason to despise sex tourists that come to Thailand and insist on unprotected sex, spread their disgusting diseases around and then go back home. There are so many places that I have to avoid now, I can't stand the sight of these 'men of the world, seen it all, screwed 'em all hansum men. I despise them.

I see simple naive village girls going off 'down there' and coming back completely disillusioned and disgusted with Farangs. That's why they start ripping them off the second time they go down there.

Not defending sex tourism in any way, but most likely, the majority of sex buyers in Thailand are local Thais.

If that is correct, then "disgusting diseases" are likely to be mainly spread by local Thais. In particular considering that "sex tourists" are on average more knowledgable about STDs than local Thai sex buyers, due to better sex education, as elaborated on elsewhere in this thread.

Wrong

mOST GUYS I KNOW, NEVER WEAR A CONDOM, AND SAY THE DISEASE IS A GAY ONE, OR AS LONG AS I DONT HAVE ANAL I AM OK

One even said he has had a good life and if he gets it no probs, i said what about the others you infect, he never even give it a thought. Very worrying indeed

[kennypowers]

What you don't hear so much about are the many foreigners who return home with HIV. Some stay here and continue to have sex with prostitutes, often unprotected. As one poster rightly pointed out, the girls that don't get treated eventually go home to die - the family usually gives cancer as the excuse.

What surprises me is the huge level of denial among foreigners. When you mention to a sex tourist or sexpat that a large number of prostitutes are HIV positive, they get all defensive, why?

These girls are prostitutes, many are drug addicts and alcoholics, too, particularly those who will take extra money for no condom sex, and those who get into doing amateur porn videos with the recent wave of "entreporneurial" farangs.

Spend a day at a woman's shelter, or go help out at one of the free clinics near a tourist area, and I guarantee you'll think twice about sleeping dipping your wick.

[gemini81]

You won't believe this but there are ladies that decide to 'go work in Pattaya' that don't know anything about condoms, STDs or aids. The ones with aids come back to the village to die, denying that they are ill out of shame even though everyone knows. This means that they will have been transmitting HIV for a year or more. STDs? My wife is the one that takes them to the hospital and tells them that she won't take them again and explains things that 12 year olds know about in Europe. I was in a bus station in Chonburi one time when a very attractive, well turned out lady (loudly) called her husband to tell him she was coming home, she had green and yellow discharge so she be would sleeping in a separate room. Unhappily, her French boyfriend was hovering around in some obvious distress at her leaving so abruptly, not understanding anything. Maybe he does now.

I despise sex tourists.

Hate thy self.

[coppywriter]

Doctor B, I am not certain but I think the most contemporary drug regimes are not available cheaply here in Thailand. I have heard two stories that seem to support this. One about someone's dad (Thai) who died without medicine a couple of years ago and another about a girl who was only saved because she went to England and got treatment. I guess the big hospitals with big prices have the most effective medicines?

From what I know from friends who are positive is that the most modern drugs used in the west are not available in Thailand, however the drugs that are available are cheap in price and sometimes free of charge through the government hospitals.

Thailand is at the forefront of HIV and AIDS research and the very latest drugs such as Atripla are available here at the Thai Red Cross

[Prbkk]

My sister in law just died from AIDS last month. Her husband died from it back in 2005. So I assume she had known she was infected for quite some time, although I didn't find out the truth about the husand until 2010 when she started getting sick. Her attitude seemed to be if she didn't feel sick, she wasn't sick and just carried on with life like she wasn't infected. Didn't get any kind of treatment while she wasn't sick. Who knows how many people she infected in the process. By the time she actually got sick, it was too late. She died a pretty slow painful death in a public hospital in Isaan. I did quite a bit of reading on the treatment in Thailand and it seems there is quite a bit available. However if the person refuses to acknowlege that there's anything wrong with them, they wont do anything about it.

From my exeperience it seems that the issue isn't so much available treatment, but convincing people that don't feel sick that they are actually sick. And if they don't do something about it, they'll die.

One problem is that Gen Y and others believe that HIV is not that serious anymore, partly as a consequence of the development and use of the anti-virals. So the view that HIV does not lead inevitably to death but is a treatable disease, has led to less caution than was the case 20 years ago. But while urban dwellers may be more savvy about testing and treatments, HIV continues to devastate poor, rural communities around the world ( and no less in Thailand) .

Health professionals are well aware of the fact that many more people are having unprotected sex these days because the rate of infection with other STDs, with the same route of transmission as HIV, has gone through the ceiling. Even for those able to access treatment, HIV treatment involes a lifelong regime of very potent drugs, many with significant side-effects.

[Krataiboy]

Welcome to Amazing Thailand.

The Ministry of Public Health calls a press conference to launch a campaign to reduce new HIV cases to zero.

Then it admits that around 250,000 people who tested positive for HIV but never went back for the test results - let alone treatment - are still out there somewhere, presumably doing what comes naturally.

Is it just me?

[elzach]

I despise sex tourists.

What initially attracted you to Thailand then? Buddhism and wats? The food? Atmospehere? Or were you a defunct, Vietnam left-over?

You can't BS a BSer, and believe you me... there's plenty of us here.

None of your business but I found a good woman, good in every respect. On top of that my meagre pension goes a lot further here than back home. I had more than my fair share without paying for it back home. I probably got some of other peoples' share also and I never paid for it. I can't envisage betraying my wife, something that you of course would never understand. If you read what I wrote before you should understand that I have every reason to despise sex tourists that come to Thailand and insist on unprotected sex, spread their disgusting diseases around and then go back home. There are so many places that I have to avoid now, I can't stand the sight of these 'men of the world, seen it all, screwed 'em all hansum men. I despise them.

I see simple naive village girls going off 'down there' and coming back completely disillusioned and disgusted with Farangs. That's why they start ripping them off the second time they go down there.

So foreign tourists are spreading HIV and STDs around?! The Thais are innocent bystanders? Thai gay men and ladyboys are innocent bystanders? Thai gay men spreading them to their girlfriends who in turn spread them around are innocent bystanders?

I haven't read that much BS in a long time.

EDIT: foreign tourists and expats are FAR more likely to get tested for STDs and HIV than Thais. That's part of the article any way.

Edited June 20, 2014 by elzach

[bkkgooner]

I despise sex tourists.

What initially attracted you to Thailand then? Buddhism and wats? The food? Atmospehere? Or were you a defunct, Vietnam left-over?

You can't BS a BSer, and believe you me... there's plenty of us here.

I see simple naive village girls going off 'down there' and coming back completely disillusioned and disgusted with Farangs. That's why they start ripping them off the second time they go down there.

Ah yes the old bullshit of the naive village girl going to Pattaya with dreams of paradise awaiting her, Thais aren't that stupid. If she's going to sell her body she is fully aware she is entering fairly dark territory.

Red Cross provides affordable care for people in Bangkok. Thailand really needs to sort out its education and attitude towards HIV before it gets out of control.

[cooked]

You won't believe this but there are ladies that decide to 'go work in Pattaya' that don't know anything about condoms, STDs or aids. The ones with aids come back to the village to die, denying that they are ill out of shame even though everyone knows. This means that they will have been transmitting HIV for a year or more. STDs? My wife is the one that takes them to the hospital and tells them that she won't take them again and explains things that 12 year olds know about in Europe. I was in a bus station in Chonburi one time when a very attractive, well turned out lady (loudly) called her husband to tell him she was coming home, she had green and yellow discharge so she be would sleeping in a separate room. Unhappily, her French boyfriend was hovering around in some obvious distress at her leaving so abruptly, not understanding anything. Maybe he does now.

I despise sex tourists.

Hate thy self.

Well maybe I do hate myself sometimes, but certainly not for being a sex tourist. One look at those horrible fat decrepit toads sitting at bars talking about their exploits was enough for me. I came here to find my wife ans stayed, same as I had been to other places to find a wife. I came here to find a partner for life and found one. People like you can't imagine any other motive for coming to Thailand, I got a bit of a bashing on this thread already, so why don't you go to Romania? Catching HIV is even cheaper there.

[elzach]

Despite the Westerners better sex education it seems that many wear a "Holiday Head" and become stupid, catch something nasty and then proceed to self medicate but without adequate medical knowledge.....

Here is an example, on Thai Visa Forum, with a title of: STD Clinic | Ceftriaxone Injection

A Newbie posted this:-

Posted 2014-06-18 14:13:23

Summary of my dilemna:

1. I had sex with a Uni girl.

2. I started to show mild symptoms of chlam/gono. She has no symptoms - did not know anything was wrong.

3. I start to self-medicate (Cefspan / Doxyc). I told her to go to a clinic. She will not go, out of embarrassment!!!

4. The symptoms will not go away (but are extremely mild) - I go to a well-known clinic in BK. I take the swab test - I test negative. The employee tells me, if I stop taking Doxycline, I could return, and presumably test positive. I find this a bit silly (the idea of letting an infection fester on my genitals, just for the sake of testing positive on a swab test...). The employee gives me Azithro.

5. Again, the symptoms will not go away. I return to the clinic, and take the piss text. I now must wait a week for my result.

Presumably, I have a resistant form, and need the Ceftriaxone Injection. The clinic told me that they do not perform the Injection, but that any hospital can perform it - and that they would refer me to one if I test positive.

So, the questions I am throwing out there...

* Should I just go to a hospital and ask for the Injection? Or should I wait for my (presumably) positive result? My understanding, is that, say... in America, if you go to a clinic and complain of these symptoms - they will treat you on the spot... they do not wait a week for a positive test result.

* Does anyone have a recommendation of a hospital/clinic I could have this Injection performed at in BK (preferably near a major BTS)? And does anyone know the approximate cost?

He did way more than many Thais would do.

[cooked]

I despise sex tourists.

What initially attracted you to Thailand then? Buddhism and wats? The food? Atmospehere? Or were you a defunct, Vietnam left-over?

You can't BS a BSer, and believe you me... there's plenty of us here.

I see simple naive village girls going off 'down there' and coming back completely disillusioned and disgusted with Farangs. That's why they start ripping them off the second time they go down there.

Ah yes the old bullshit of the naive village girl going to Pattaya with dreams of paradise awaiting her, Thais aren't that stupid. If she's going to sell her body she is fully aware she is entering fairly dark territory.

Red Cross provides affordable care for people in Bangkok. Thailand really needs to sort out its education and attitude towards HIV before it gets out of control.

You never lived in a small village did you? We took the neighbours' daughters out last year and it transpired that they had never sat in a restaurant in their lives. I didn't say that they are stupid, but they really do know nothing of the world. They go to work in a factory for ฿300.- a day, talk to flat mates that get ฿3 - 6000 a night for 'special duties' and still don't know about this stuff. They don't, I assure, nobody tells them.

[DavidBonnie]

Cooked-You never lived in a small village did you? We took the neighbours' daughters out last year and it transpired that they had never sat in a restaurant in their lives. I didn't say that they are stupid, but they really do know nothing of the world. They go to work in a factory for ฿300.- a day, talk to flat mates that get ฿3 - 6000 a night for 'special duties' and still don't know about this stuff. They don't, I assure, nobody tells them.

So you met your wife on the internet and didn't shag any other girls and that makes you superior in what way? You must live in the village time forgot or the thai people there just don't tell you what they are talking about. They don't know about the money that can be earned in the red light areas . . . please dude!

You seem such a stereotype; the farang who marries a poor Isaan woman and moves to a village in the ass end of nowhere and now you feel superior?? Ha H a

[eish]

we are constantly reminded of the thai slander laws how has this topic survived. are they paying under the table?

[smileydude]

The rate of new infections has dropped since its peak in 2004 but the demographics are slowly changing from a majority of cases being MSM (men who have sex with men), Intraveous drug users, and those in the sex industry to heterosexuals which is alarming because this group is larger, less likely to believe they are at risk and thus take less precautions, and not as tolerant to social pressure so they will avoid the stigma by denying that they may have possibly contracted HIV and/or seek proper treatment.

The Thai national healthcare system offers free HIV treatment to everyone so there really is no reason not to seek treatment other then the lack of knowledge of the their healthcare benefits, not getting tested (a form of denial or lack of knowledge of their high risk behavior), or avoiding the stigma by not seeking treatament altogether.

With the effectiveness of current HIV treatment regimens, most can live without symptoms of AIDS and progression of the disease.

Many people do not know this. Educating the public is of course important and more can always be done but the individual also needs to take the initiative to educate oneself which is much easier now with the internet.

People tend to develop a defensive mechanism of denial by convincing themselves "only gays and drug users" will get it but a person with HIV on the outside looks just as normal as you and me so in actuality everybody we come into contact sexually can have it.

Thats why the medical profession takes universal precautions when doing surgery by assuming everyone may have it and thus takes precautionary measures when handling blood. If everyone did the same with sex I think we'd lower the transmission a thousand-fold.

[laislica]

Cooked-You never lived in a small village did you? We took the neighbours' daughters out last year and it transpired that they had never sat in a restaurant in their lives. I didn't say that they are stupid, but they really do know nothing of the world. They go to work in a factory for ฿300.- a day, talk to flat mates that get ฿3 - 6000 a night for 'special duties' and still don't know about this stuff. They don't, I assure, nobody tells them.

So you met your wife on the internet and didn't shag any other girls and that makes you superior in what way? You must live in the village time forgot or the thai people there just don't tell you what they are talking about. They don't know about the money that can be earned in the red light areas . . . please dude!

You seem such a stereotype; the farang who marries a poor Isaan woman and moves to a village in the ass end of nowhere and now you feel superior?? Ha H a

Methinks thou dos't protest too much.

Your post is totally off topic and flaming.

Unless you are worried you might have AIDS since that is the topic?

[nomad127]

You don't need treatment/medicine, unless your CD4 drops to a certain point,but I would assume many do not even know they have HIV.

[manzan]

Please, I am asking this out of a desire simply to know the facts. I don't want a diatribe about sex tourists and HIV but...

Although HIV is no walk in the park it is generally acknowledged that current treatments (HAART; ie highly aggressive anti-retroroviral therapy) is very effective, and patients can expect to lead a near normal life span if they take 1 or maybe 2 pills a day. The down side being that the drugs are very expensive.

Most western countries make the drugs available free or very cheaply; eg completely free in UK.

What I have not been able to find out is, does the Thai government make them available to its citizens at a price that the poor ( or even bar girls) can afford?

This, and totally confidential treatment as per the west, is surely what really matters. Anyone know?

Do you have some scientific studies that show why it is acknowledged this HAART is very effective?

I take it that there has been a comparison done on the lifespans of those who opt out of treatment vs those who take HAART?

[justjoined]

The article seems to suggest that 50% of people who get tested never hear the result, then it goes on to say how difficult it is to convince people to get their samples tested. It's as vague as can be expected.

In the early 90's HIV/AIDS was a national crisis. Infection rates in the North were higher than sub-Saharan Africa. In order for Thailand to receive overseas funding, they had to implement prevention programs that included education and condom distribution, these were very effective.

These days Thais don't seem so willing to accept ideas from outside, such as educating the young for prevention. They are sticking to the conservative myth that promiscuity doesn't exist here. Part of this myth is the idea of 'good' and 'bad' people, with the latter being the only ones who can catch HIV/AIDS.

Surveys have shown that condom use in the sex industry is more widespread than among uni students. A few years ago 50% of newly infected Thai women had received it from their partners.

I've never understood why do so many anonymous posters feel the need to tell the world that they have married a 'good' girl, when it's irrelevant to the topic.

Edited June 20, 2014 by justjoined

[TheyCallmeScooter]

You won't believe this but there are ladies that decide to 'go work in Pattaya' that don't know anything about condoms, STDs or aids. The ones with aids come back to the village to die, denying that they are ill out of shame

I wonder if the truth would be 'controversial' here. I'll tread delicately. It's hardly children's fault when they are kept away from information (accurate education, not to be confused with education they get from sources like maternal, parental, religious, State, Societal propaganda, media conditioning, etc). You make it sound like it's the children's fault they're the victims, not of ignorance but of explicitly false malicious disinformation that enables their emotional manipulation and exploitation.

It's not children's fault they were brought to a world of unthinkable depravity, to be preyed on by Society's sociopaths-in-denial. You live in a world where truth is rude and unpleasantness is suppressed. You think that's to protect children?

Hell is not empty. Only the worst of the devils are here.

My wife is the one that takes them to the hospital and tells them that she won't take them again and explains things that 12 year olds know about in Europe.

Your wife does a good thing, but how would you know what she tells them? What would 12yo's in Europe know in terms of truth that would enable them to protect themselves from those who want to protect them from truth?

Maybe one day your wife will explain things to you, like the need for Ties That Bind.

Until Death Do Us Part, well...theoretically. Happily Ever After isn't ever really how things pan out, in practice.

Unhappily, her French boyfriend was hovering around in some obvious distress at her leaving so abruptly, not understanding anything. Maybe he does now.

I despise sex tourists.

I don't despise anyone except those who seek to betray children's trust and/or shoot messengers not for deceiving them but for NOT deceiving them. But why would sex refugees be despicable? You would have them retaliate when they cannot even legally protect themselves from the unprovoked exactions, endless degrading smear and unconscionable projection men are forced to endure in the West? Maybe they're sick of being the victims of emotional cannibalism, subjected to endless suffering for no reward? If they're sick of the extortion by women who want to be carried for reasons husbands are notoriously incapable of elucidating when pressed, wouldn't that make you despicable for incentivising conduct that is truly shameful? Perhaps you'll explain why you believe dependent women can be expected to raise independent children instead of bullied slaves?

Their reasons for needing marriage pale into insignificance in comparison to their reasons for needing children of THEIR OWN in a world where 29,000 precious toddlers die every single day because...political correctness.

It's not really correct when it is used to protect the bio-political entitlement handed to those who breed life on the plantation for Massa. They gain their political power via means so treacherous...

This is a world of endless perfidy. Children never asked to be brought here to suffer. Don't blame them for the treacherous evil you are blind to.

[cooked]

You won't believe this but there are ladies that decide to 'go work in Pattaya' that don't know anything about condoms, STDs or aids. The ones with aids come back to the village to die, denying that they are ill out of shame

I wonder if the truth would be 'controversial' here. I'll tread delicately. It's hardly children's fault when they are kept away from information (accurate education, not to be confused with education they get from sources like maternal, parental, religious, State, Societal propaganda, media conditioning, etc). You make it sound like it's the children's fault they're the victims, not of ignorance but of explicitly false malicious disinformation that enables their emotional manipulation and exploitation.

It's not children's fault they were brought to a world of unthinkable depravity, to be preyed on by Society's sociopaths-in-denial. You live in a world where truth is rude and unpleasantness is suppressed. You think that's to protect children?

Hell is not empty. Only the worst of the devils are here.

My wife is the one that takes them to the hospital and tells them that she won't take them again and explains things that 12 year olds know about in Europe.

Your wife does a good thing, but how would you know what she tells them? What would 12yo's in Europe know in terms of truth that would enable them to protect themselves from those who want to protect them from truth?

Maybe one day your wife will explain things to you, like the need for Ties That Bind.

Until Death Do Us Part, well...theoretically. Happily Ever After isn't ever really how things pan out, in practice.

Unhappily, her French boyfriend was hovering around in some obvious distress at her leaving so abruptly, not understanding anything. Maybe he does now.

I despise sex tourists.

I don't despise anyone except those who seek to betray children's trust and/or shoot messengers not for deceiving them but for NOT deceiving them. But why would sex refugees be despicable? You would have them retaliate when they cannot even legally protect themselves from the unprovoked exactions, endless degrading smear and unconscionable projection men are forced to endure in the West? Maybe they're sick of being the victims of emotional cannibalism, subjected to endless suffering for no reward? If they're sick of the extortion by women who want to be carried for reasons husbands are notoriously incapable of elucidating when pressed, wouldn't that make you despicable for incentivising conduct that is truly shameful? Perhaps you'll explain why you believe dependent women can be expected to raise independent children instead of bullied slaves?

Their reasons for needing marriage pale into insignificance in comparison to their reasons for needing children of THEIR OWN in a world where 29,000 precious toddlers die every single day because...political correctness.

It's not really correct when it is used to protect the bio-political entitlement handed to those who breed life on the plantation for Massa. They gain their political power via means so treacherous...

This is a world of endless perfidy. Children never asked to be brought here to suffer. Don't blame them for the treacherous evil you are blind to.

eh? And of course the majority of these guys are really nice, young, good looking and generous to a fault, right? They got cleaned out where they came from and they will be on Thaivisa about being cleaned out here. Your post rambles on about children, I thought we were talking about the prevalence of HIV in Thailand.

What does incentivising mean? I am not encouraging anyone to do anything anywhere in my posts. Lots of big words saying very little.

[rebelplatoon]

Well loss of face has something to do with it, besides being ostracized from your community. What is needed is education. They still think that from being close to an HIV patient, you can get it, from kissing or drinking from the same cup etc etc. Besides the fact that if you check out the sites on information available nowadays it is becoming more and more clear that HIV in itself does not lead to AIDS.

Edited June 20, 2014 by rebelplatoon

[harryfrompattaya]

You won't believe this but there are ladies that decide to 'go work in Pattaya' that don't know anything about condoms, STDs or aids. The ones with aids come back to the village to die, denying that they are ill out of shame even though everyone knows. This means that they will have been transmitting HIV for a year or more. STDs? My wife is the one that takes them to the hospital and tells them that she won't take them again and explains things that 12 year olds know about in Europe. I was in a bus station in Chonburi one time when a very attractive, well turned out lady (loudly) called her husband to tell him she was coming home, she had green and yellow discharge so she be would sleeping in a separate room. Unhappily, her French boyfriend was hovering around in some obvious distress at her leaving so abruptly, not understanding anything. Maybe he does now.

I despise sex tourists.

I am happy to say I pray for sex tourists and drunken ex-hippies But I understand what a sex tourist is during here but what does a drunken ex hippie do here?

[harryfrompattaya]

Doctor B, I am not certain but I think the most contemporary drug regimes are not available cheaply here in Thailand. I have heard two stories that seem to support this. One about someone's dad (Thai) who died without medicine a couple of years ago and another about a girl who was only saved because she went to England and got treatment. I guess the big hospitals with big prices have the most effective medicines?

From what I know from friends who are positive is that the most modern drugs used in the west are not available in Thailand, however the drugs that are available are cheap in price and sometimes free of charge through the government hospitals.

Thailand is at the forefront of HIV and AIDS research and the very latest drugs such as Atripla are available here at the Thai Red Cross

Is that the reason many Israelis come here for medical care now I known

[Mudcrab]

"However, he said that the problem has eased somewhat as people infected with the virus have more and better access to treatment today and it was the case a decade ago."

and or than (or then, for the uneducated)?

Ration of male to female would help also, in assessing how and where the disease is contracted and spread.

Typical results of a Thai study; there are no references, no realistic data, no assessments of sex related (in this case) indicators, nor is there any closely related doctoral report.

Audacity to say things are much better than ten years ago (assuming it is simply bad reported language), when half or more do not recieve treatment, or return for results of being positive or not... sad indeed.....

They just had a funeral ceremony for a 34 year old female in our village. She died of AIDS and worked in Pattaya. Another unnecessary death.

Nobody to date, has died of AIDS. people die of diseases that their body no longer has resistance to. Pneumonia being classic.

[daboyz1]

Nobody to date, has died of AIDS. people die of diseases that their body no longer has resistance to. Pneumonia being classic.

Yep, and putting them in a governemrnt hospital in an open ward around 50 sick people pretty much guarantees their demise.

[TheyCallmeScooter]

eh? And of course the majority of these guys are really nice, young, good looking and generous to a fault, right?

I don't even know any. But I know that sex is biological and that Western 'women' have been turned against men for perfidious reasons. The biopolitical plantation-State makes 'women' an offer they seemingly can't resist. I've never met a woman telling the truth about sex or able to make a logical case for why she needs to be carried as if she's an autist or an infant.

I know that any guy who doesn't want to endure the degradation in the West is saying "No" to a cross with his name on it:

...so I figure guys who choose to pursue biology rather than Polite Society's genocidal cannibalism are probably going to be a better brand of human than good BOYS who remain on their plantation of birth to suffer and die to please 'women'. So on what grounds do you hate humans for wanting to be humane in lieu of wanting to suffer and die as a slave?

A woman is not an infant and that means she's perfectly capable of being humane and taking care of herself. I've heard it said some can even open doors for themselves. I bet they could feed themselves as well but those who cannot should spend less time investing in cosmetic artifice and illusion and more time in being humane and learning how to be a mother rather than a cannibal to her children.

What does incentivising mean?

I'm afraid all indulging and pandering to 'women' who feign need before they'll do as they please provides incentive for girls to be shamed by 'women' protecting their trophy johns. There is no other reason for girls to be subjected to the competitive fears of 'women'.

​Your post rambles on about children, I thought we were talking about the prevalence of HIV in Thailand.

Everything is connected. My post was addressing your failure to recognise that children don't deceive themselves and no child comes here to die from STDs. 106 billion debts (of the sort only devils can dishonor) have not been paid. Children cannot know what you are failing to tell them.

[cooked]

Rambling excuse for being a sexpat. Easy enough to find a good lady here without going around the bars. What 106 billion? You write as though everyone has read the same stuff that you have. Nothing to do with the OP.

Yes, don't put up with Western women's exploitation, but no, don't think you can get your own back here, you will get the short straw.

[LuckyLew]

A good start to reduce new cases would be sex ed. In school but too many old fuddy duddies reject the notion of sex ed in schools so hiv and teen pregnamcies will comtimue unchecked

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