lostinisaan Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Being here has not changed my mind on reincarnation but I do find it rather petty that folk risk or give over their current life on a gamble that there could be another, better one. It's akin to the nutty Muslims and their virgins in heaven. One should probably enjoy what they have now the best they can just in case there is nothing else. Personal belief: something funny is going on behind the scenes way above our comprehension. Brain/matter isn't part of the equation and neither is what you do in this life. But if there is a sliver of a chance of returning to this vs nothing, I choose the latter thanks. It's not all a bed of roses for everyone. Here're some of the virgins willing to wait for the holy warriors. All virgins and not younger than 69. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnygimbo Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Religion is child abuse pure an simple and that includes the Thai Buddhist system, its a disgrace. Please, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. My wife has two kids, they are Buddhist, and I would hate to think they were ever abused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Loong Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Put me down for no reincarnation no gods no devils no spirits no ghosts no heaven no hell no angels no witches no magic no tooth fairy no santa claus no horses with wings no coming back from the dead but in saying that the most proof I've seen for any of the above was finding 20 cents under my pillow a few times in place of a lost tooth I do believe in stupid, gullible people though 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Seriously? reincarnation topic? what next? Voodoo practice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opalred Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 i changed to islam some years ago and promised all these virgins what can i do with them at old age? also what about all irate wives there to? cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Seriously? reincarnation topic? what next? Voodoo practice? Zombie reincarnation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 i changed to islam some years ago and promised all these virgins what can i do with them at old age? also what about all irate wives there to? cheers There's been a misprint in that book. The correct "reward" is seventy two Virginians -- foul-smelling toothless hillbillies, each and every one of them. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) i changed to islam some years ago and promised all these virgins what can i do with them at old age? also what about all irate wives there to? cheers There's been a misprint in that book. The correct "reward" is seventy two Virginians -- foul-smelling toothless hillbillies, each and every one of them. T Sandra Bullock Rob Lowe Donna Dixon Warren Beatty Folks from Virginia. Edited July 14, 2014 by thailiketoo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Living in Thailand didn't change my beliefs about reincarnation, but i think there must be something in it, which of course i can't fully understand, or believe. My question is, can the consciousness exist after the end of the physical body ? I think possibly yes, but just in very few cases.. To ask a common guy to explain the possibility of the transmigration of the souls, is , more or less , like to expect a dog to explain the mechanics of a Jumbo Jet.. Most likely the dog will just bark.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RikDao Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Put me down for no reincarnation no gods no devils no spirits no ghosts no heaven no hell no angels no witches no magic no tooth fairy no santa claus no horses with wings no coming back from the dead but in saying that the most proof I've seen for any of the above was finding 20 cents under my pillow a few times in place of a lost tooth I do believe in stupid, gullible people though Hahahahahahah! You sound like the kind of guy who believes in the tooth fairy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Living in Thailand didn't change my beliefs about reincarnation, but i think there must be something in it, which of course i can't fully understand, or believe. My question is, can the consciousness exist after the end of the physical body ? I think possibly yes, but just in very few cases.. To ask a common guy to explain the possibility of the transmigration of the souls, is , more or less , like to expect a dog to explain the mechanics of a Jumbo Jet.. Most likely the dog will just bark.. Does consciousness exist in people who believe in make believe things? I guess on a certain level. Depends really on the amount of education of the average Thai. Not including engineers of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rethaier Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I believe in reincarnation. I do not have any personal experience with reincarnation, nor do I profess to know how it works. I believe that it is probably more complicated than I can comprehend. I remember reading Rene Descartes proof for the existence of God, and remember a quote by a Pope (I don't remember who) who likened that the universe being created without a God was analogous to spilling sand and it forming a masterpiece (something to that effect at least). It made sense to me, so I do believe in "something beyond". From reading alot of posts, I have the distinct impression that most people on TV are either atheists or agnostic and I certainly don't think it is right to tell anyone that there beliefs are wrong. I also believe that alot of things that Thai people do that Westerners are puzzled at, are based on the belief in reincarnation. As a people and compared to people in the West, Thais are extremely religious in terms of the percentage of people that believe. It's not hard to find an atheist/agnostic in the West, much harder to find a Thai atheist. So when I see posts about how life is cheap in Thailand, or why don't Thais wear helmets, or why are Thais so careless in doing such and such when it could cause death, my thoughts are well it's because virtually all Thais believe in reincarnation and believe that some things like your death are predestined, and (if you made merit in this life) your next life will be better so why ake a big deal about it. If what you say abot making merit is true, why is there so little, compassion and courtesy in Thailand while corruption thrives. I don't see much merit earned so I guess there won't be many thais coming back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 i changed to islam some years ago and promised all these virgins what can i do with them at old age? also what about all irate wives there to? cheersThere's been a misprint in that book. The correct "reward" is seventy two Virginians -- foul-smelling toothless hillbillies, each and every one of them.T Sandra Bullock Rob Lowe Donna Dixon Warren Beatty Folks from Virginia. No need to be touchy. If the promise were "72 Lap Dancers" I would've said that's a misprint of "72 Laplanders--foul smelling toothless whale eaters, each and every one of them." Good grief, I hope there are no Laplanders on this forum. T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rethaier Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 For my part I have no idea of whether reincarnation is real or not. But I hope it is not real because the way this world is going I would not want to be here. Living under sharia does not appeal to me one bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beetlejuice Posted July 14, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2014 Totally changed. I was raised as a catholic or more exactly, they tried to raise me as a catholic but I never believed on it. I just tool the holy communion, get the money and gifts and never appear to a church. Not even for relative's marriages or alike. Since I became to Thailand I got attracted by Buddhism, it is a peaceful religion and now I go to the temple almost every day. I believe in reincarnation as I believe there is life in other planets. It is just a belief, and beliefs can't be proved because if they would, they will be knowledge. But one thing, I know. Since I am a Buddhist my life has changed a lot. I am way more happier, I have no stress as I did before, I am much a better person than I was and my life is progressing much better. The more I give, the more i get. It may not be related, that for sure, but if something is working for you, you'd better not change it. My American Irish Catholic father and my English Jewish mother also tried to raise me as a Catholic, although my mother went along with it mostly to appease my father. My father was an American GI based in England during WW2, fought in the Normandy invasions and was part of the liberation of the Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp complex. My dad would never tell me of all the horrors he witnessed during WW2. As a Catholic my dad used to say he hoped there was reincarnation and there was credence that the good innocent people who perished and suffered such terrible fates were blessed and would find paradise in heaven and later reborn into the world and given the chance to start again. My parents met while my father was stationed in England. Back in those days a good Catholic boy marrying a Jew and a nice Jewish girl marrying a Catholic was considered as the ultimate sin between the 2 families. None of the families would attend the wedding and it took over 15 years for my paternal family and my material family to eventually see sense and accept each other, mostly for the sake of the grandchildren, that included me. They had learned nothing by their experiences during the war and maintained most of their prejudices and holier than thou attitudes towards each other for many years all for the sake of religious beliefs. But over the years these holier than thou religious attitudes only had the affect of pushing me away from practising one religion or another. I am not an atheist but grew up to have negative views regarding all religions. I used to wind my parents up by describing the Catholic religion as a business to my father and tell my mother that as far as I am concerned the Jewish God was murdered in the gas chambers at Auschwitz. I said that if the so-called Jewish messiah did not appear during WW2 than he’s never going to appear, is he? Your messiah seems to be like the police, who are never around when we need them.. My wife and my 3 children although not frommers only see themselves as Buddhists and I have never interfered it`s up to them because during my lifetime I had had my gut full with religion. My dad died 12 years ago, a very sad and traumatised man. 1 year before his death he tried to write his biography down on paper, I wanted to help but the imagines of horror were still too strong in his mind and he was not able to do so. And this is why I have been so very much against those with extreme bigoted views here on Thai visa, the Thai bashers and the Hitler threads, because it disrespects all what my dad and others like him fought for. As regards reincarnation and the after life if there is one, my answer being to the OP, who knows? It is how we treat each other while we are alive that really matters and all we should be concerning ourselves with for the time being. My main worry being, where is my next beer coming from, not I wonder what will happen when I`m dead, because who cares? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Loong Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> Put me down for no reincarnation no gods no devils no spirits no ghosts no heaven no hell no angels no witches no magic no tooth fairy no santa claus no horses with wings no coming back from the dead but in saying that the most proof I've seen for any of the above was finding 20 cents under my pillow a few times in place of a lost tooth I do believe in stupid, gullible people though Hahahahahahah! You sound like the kind of guy who believes in the tooth fairy! We as I posted, i have seen more proof of tooth fairy than of any god or reincarnation. But no, maybe you don't get the humour......it's all superstitious crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 Living in Thailand didn't change my beliefs about reincarnation, but i think there must be something in it, which of course i can't fully understand, or believe. My question is, can the consciousness exist after the end of the physical body ? I think possibly yes, but just in very few cases.. To ask a common guy to explain the possibility of the transmigration of the souls, is , more or less , like to expect a dog to explain the mechanics of a Jumbo Jet.. Most likely the dog will just bark.. I agree after some of the replies. My question is, can the consciousness exist after the end of the physical body ? Read up on the laws of thermodynamics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 I believe in reincarnation. I do not have any personal experience with reincarnation, nor do I profess to know how it works. I believe that it is probably more complicated than I can comprehend. I remember reading Rene Descartes proof for the existence of God, and remember a quote by a Pope (I don't remember who) who likened that the universe being created without a God was analogous to spilling sand and it forming a masterpiece (something to that effect at least). It made sense to me, so I do believe in "something beyond". From reading alot of posts, I have the distinct impression that most people on TV are either atheists or agnostic and I certainly don't think it is right to tell anyone that there beliefs are wrong. I also believe that alot of things that Thai people do that Westerners are puzzled at, are based on the belief in reincarnation. As a people and compared to people in the West, Thais are extremely religious in terms of the percentage of people that believe. It's not hard to find an atheist/agnostic in the West, much harder to find a Thai atheist. So when I see posts about how life is cheap in Thailand, or why don't Thais wear helmets, or why are Thais so careless in doing such and such when it could cause death, my thoughts are well it's because virtually all Thais believe in reincarnation and believe that some things like your death are predestined, and (if you made merit in this life) your next life will be better so why ake a big deal about it. If what you say abot making merit is true, why is there so little, compassion and courtesy in Thailand while corruption thrives. I don't see much merit earned so I guess there won't be many thais coming back. You know little about the Thainess in Thai people. Some of the most compassionate people I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 Put me down for no reincarnation no gods no devils no spirits no ghosts no heaven no hell no angels no witches no magic no tooth fairy no santa claus no horses with wings no coming back from the dead but in saying that the most proof I've seen for any of the above was finding 20 cents under my pillow a few times in place of a lost tooth I do believe in stupid, gullible people though Are you trying to say that people believing in reincarnation, including me, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, Jains, many Jews, Christians etc are stupid gullible people? Are you saying that scientists such as Ian Stevenson are fools? What scares you so much about it? Open your mind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RikDao Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Put me down for no reincarnation no gods no devils no spirits no ghosts no heaven no hell no angels no witches no magic no tooth fairy no santa claus no horses with wings no coming back from the dead but in saying that the most proof I've seen for any of the above was finding 20 cents under my pillow a few times in place of a lost tooth I do believe in stupid, gullible people though Hahahahahahah! You sound like the kind of guy who believes in the tooth fairy! We as I posted, i have seen more proof of tooth fairy than of any god or reincarnation. But no, maybe you don't get the humour......it's all superstitious crap. Ummm, I got it, guv. Did you get mine? Sent from my Nexus 7 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Search of Space Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Didn't believe in it when in the UK and believe in it even less in Thailand. You'd better believe it !!!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opalred Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 i think will fly over warren beatty and land on sandra bullock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I don't believe in reincarnation, and I didn't believe it when I was a frog. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Put me down for no reincarnation no gods no devils no spirits no ghosts no heaven no hell no angels no witches no magic no tooth fairy no santa claus no horses with wings no coming back from the dead but in saying that the most proof I've seen for any of the above was finding 20 cents under my pillow a few times in place of a lost tooth I do believe in stupid, gullible people though Hahahahahahah! You sound like the kind of guy who believes in the tooth fairy! Some think it relates to using this more than once:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaRacer Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Personally, I embrace both science and spirituality (not religion). I used to be atheist until I had a profound experience. After that I just couldn't deny that there was something more. So I started reading everything I could put my hands on, trying to make sense out of what happened. I found that others had had the same or similar experiences. My 'believe' is rooted in first hand experience and mixed with knowledge from many very special people who have walked the path before me and I feel I can trust them. This is no different from what atheists do, by the way. Their believe also is a mix of their own unique experiences and data they take from reliable sources, which they assume to be true. I have no problems with people who deny the existence of something beyond our 5 senses, as long as they don't try shove it down my throat. Sadly, many do. Regarding reincarnation, I have no doubt I've been here many times before.Thailand didn't change that. I don't identify with my believes. If there would come along a better explanation (even a scientific one), I would gladly accept it. Many people are afraid of dying and they do anything possible not to think about it. I think this is the time to learn as much as we can about death. Once you lose the fear of death, you become free to live. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Karl Marx was spot on when he described religion as Opium for the masses. I used to believe that belief in reincarnation was harmless but my views have changed over time. There is little doubt that in Thailand both social mobility and social responsibility have been seriously hindered by current interpretation of Budhism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Are you trying to say that people believing in reincarnation, including me, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, Jains, many Jews, Christians etc are stupid gullible people? Are you saying that scientists such as Ian Stevenson are fools? What scares you so much about it? Open your mind. Reaction to his work was mixed. In his New York Times obituary, Margalit Fox wrote that Stevenson's supporters saw him as a misunderstood genius, but that most scientists had simply ignored his research, regarding him as earnest but gullible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanuk711 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) These 2 old time friends--who had a belief in the after life, made an agreement, that whoever went first, would try to come back & contact the other, in the park on Wednesday at 11, am exactly.A short while latter one dies peacefully in his sleep. Every week for several months, the other took up his station at the park bench at 11:00 a.m.Then one Wednesday, at the appointed hour, he hears a voice, as though from afar."Harry, Harry, can you hear me?" the voice says. "It's Joe.""Joe, for heaven's sake, what is it like?""You wouldn't believe it, Harry, about the only thing you do up here is make love. They wake you up at seven in the morning and you make love until noon. After lunch and a nap, you're at it again right through until dinner time." "Good gosh, Joe, is that what Heaven is like..?..................................................No Harry , I am not in Heaven---------I'm a rabbit in Australia"...................................... Edited July 14, 2014 by sanuk711 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturdyd Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Wait a minute. If reincarnation is real, i.e., you die and then are born again, where the hell did all these other people come from? Must be a lot of people reborn as triplets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMHomeboy78 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 i changed to islam some years ago and promised all these virgins what can i do with them at old age? also what about all irate wives there to? cheers There's been a misprint in that book. The correct "reward" is seventy two Virginians -- foul-smelling toothless hillbillies, each and every one of them. T Sandra Bullock Rob Lowe Donna Dixon Warren Beatty Folks from Virginia. Thanks for standing up for Virginia. My great-grandfather was one of Mosby's Rangers. He wasn't toothless, but he did live with a Yankee bullet in his back until the day he died at the age of seventy-three in 1912. Maybe I'm his reincarnation... a born rebel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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