How will NES EFL Teachers without degrees now stay in Thailand?

[lildragon]

Yep here it is. That classic sanctimonious attitude. And no I'll be studying Thai then going to a university here as I stated previously. I still have many friends that are damn good at their jobs affected by this.

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[Deacon Bell]

She previously had 20 foreign teachers, but that number has fallen just 6 because the other have left to teach in neighbouring countries where the 'paperwork' to work legally is much easier, (and maybe better pay as well).

I don't worry about those who are just here for a while, single or not tied down, free to move to another country no worries.

It's the ones that started that way, then ended up settling here, and all of a sudden face getting out right now and not coming back, or risking an overstay and blacklisting. They might have long term rental contracts, serious relationships, some perhaps with a stepchild or biological child,vehicle or vehicles, possessions such as flatscreen TVs, fridges, everything else that fills a house.

It must be awful for them, and why, because they are good teachers that are in demand, but don't have a degree in textiles or some other unrelated field.

I find it quite disgusting to be honest.

[Deacon Bell]

I think your being a little harsh on yourself, but if you say so, who am I to disagree with you ?.....drunken oaf it is then, and I am sure your correct about about your over stay as well....

I think you could benefit from having a teacher mate.

[Timwin]

and the point your struggling to articulate my dear Timwin ?

I believe topic at hand is "teachers without degree's staying in Thailand" not sad old geezers, real estate agents, condo builders or renting a condo...on topic as always dear boy

You must be really fun at parties. The know-it-all and ready-for-everything guy. Full suitcase under the bed, no ties to Thailand, ready to drop everything at the drop of a hat, right? Btw, you managed today to insult the language teachers with your concesdending remarks.

[Soutpeel]

I think your being a little harsh on yourself, but if you say so, who am I to disagree with you ?.....drunken oaf it is then, and I am sure your correct about about your over stay as well....

I think you could benefit from having a teacher mate.

Yes miss...

Oh dear, the English Nazi's cant resist can they...

Not in class now dear boy... pay attention and sit up straight will you

[LuckyLew]

If you did not meet the qualifications to teach here you never should have come here in the first place

[puchooay]

The problem.......

I remember seeing a survey among Thai people, the general public, a while ago. They were asked to name their top 10 gripes with the Thai system.

Education was not in the top ten.

There you go.

[GoonDizzy]

I think your being a little harsh on yourself, but if you say so, who am I to disagree with you ?.....drunken oaf it is then, and I am sure your correct about about your over stay as well....

I think you could benefit from having a teacher mate.

Yes miss...

Oh dear, the English Nazi's cant resist can they...

Not in class now dear boy... pay attention and sit up straight will you

Misuse of Ellipses. No comma after the first word. No capital 'M'. Plural of Nazi is Nazis. No apostrophe in can't. Blimey!

I'm being a bit of an arse. Just couldn't resist.

[Suradit69]

I think that it will be a massive problem for people that are truly wanted here. Wanted by the schools, wanted by the students, and wanted by the student's parents, and dare I say needed for Thailand and its future.

A problem that would solve this issue would be for native English speakers to be able to get a WP and Extension of Stay with only a TEFL certificate and police check (and a culture course or whatever they want to add on), but to have the degree requirement dropped.

Many have children here, are settled here, and are wanted and needed here.

What options do they have (besides the smart ol' 'Go get a degree mate!'). I think they can get married and try for either 400k in the bank for 2 months every year, or get a multi-entry marriage visa (for however long they issue them without a crack down).

I think the TEFL market is the one industry that a big crackdown on will not benefit either Thailand or Thais. Very much the opposite.

All me to pose this question then ?......For many years, at least as long as I have in Thailand, this whole "TEFL Native English speaker thing has had "free reign" in the country and relatively unchecked to date, but for me at least, I havent seen any real improvement in the standards of English in Thailand.

If the whole TEFL thing is curently providing such a benefit to country, Wouldnt one would expect to see some improvement in the levels of English proficiency in Thailand up to this point, but this doesnt appear to be the case, so one could suggest the current crack down on the TEFL thing not going to be detrimental in the least to Thailand or Thai's, or become the massive problem you suggest its going to be.

Yes there is certainly a lot of bragging here about how valuable all these unqualified teachers are to the nation and to its future generations, etc. but the fact remains that for all the fantastic work these saints of education have been doing, the level of English that you encounter from those who have passed through their classrooms is not all that great.

It's undoubtedly not easy to perform miracles in many less than ideal school settings, but it's a bit like a doctor claiming the operation he performed was a resounding success, but the patient was uncooperative and died. You have to produce good results with the students, school & parents you're given, not with some "if only" situation in your imagination.

I'm sure some very good teachers will be lost and in many cases paper qualifications bear little correspondence to actual teaching performance, but maybe the current system needs to be shaken up and standards raised rather than insisting that everything continue in its same dismal, unproductive manner. Improvement through snail paced evolution hasn't happened, so maybe it's time for a complete break with the past.

[Soutpeel]

and the point your struggling to articulate my dear Timwin ?

I believe topic at hand is "teachers without degree's staying in Thailand" not sad old geezers, real estate agents, condo builders or renting a condo...on topic as always dear boy

You must be really fun at parties. The know-it-all and ready-for-everything guy. Full suitcase under the bed, no ties to Thailand, ready to drop everything at the drop of a hat, right? Btw, you managed today to insult the language teachers with your concesdending remarks.

Apparently I AM great fun at parties or so I am told....

My dear Timwin, why would I have a full suitcase under the bed ? on topic as always I see

oh BTW you have used this line before, come up with something new will you ? your repertoire is getting rather tired and predictable.

but to answer your question, I do have ties in Thailand, but if it got to the point where visa's etc became untenable, I would just move on, simple, I havent thrown my lot into Thailand, I have plenty of other options I can consider, so not a biggie

As to insulting language teachers, I dont believe I have to be honest...BTW only 1 "d" in "concesdending"... maybe try "patronising" next time its easier to spell

So it looks like "Deacon Bell" will be teaching both of us, can I be your study partner "Timwin" ?

[mrtoad]

I am in that boat. You will get the sanctimonious cretins on here telling you "haha well you deserve it" when they don't consider the ramifications.

Schools like mine have a fairly large ESL staff of 30. Only 4 or 5 of those people have degrees. It is to my understanding that 2/3rds of ESL teachers in Thailand do not have a degree. So what will happen to a school like mine and thousands of others? "Oh well, you don't have the right paperwork so piss off" I bet the answer on here will be

Nobody except few sad old geezers are happy with this crackdown. Visa run companies, real-estate agents and condo builders, bike and car importers and all kinds of service providers for expats. The impact will be quite far reaching.

Try renting now a condo room with this clusterf*ck..."We give you farang a tourist visa but we may or may not allow you into Thailand, ha ha!" Not exactly wonderful news for landlords.

and the point your struggling to articulate my dear Timwin ?

I believe topic at hand is "teachers without degree's staying in Thailand" not sad old geezers, real estate agents, condo builders or renting a condo...on topic as always dear boy

Based on what I have rad from timwin over the last few weeks, i assume that he is working illegally, without a degree on a tourist visa. He also seems to think that everyone is an old geezer.

The whole immigration system needs so e tightening up, there are parts of it that will affect some of our businesses, however when things become clearer then it will also become easier. There have been too many flying under the radar, this crackdown will benefit all in the long term.

[Soutpeel]

I'm being a bit of an arse.

Well you said it , but only a bit of an arse ? not a complete arse ?...

[up-country_sinclair]

If you're not qualified to teach in Thailand (and let's remember that Thailand makes the determination on "qualified"), then go to a country in which you will be considered qualified. I don't know for certain, but I would guess that Laos and Cambodia have more lenient requirements.

[rgs2001uk]

I think your being a little harsh on yourself, but if you say so, who am I to disagree with you ?.....drunken oaf it is then, and I am sure your correct about about your over stay as well....

I think you could benefit from having a teacher mate.

No worries, lets compare pay checks at the end of the month shall we?

The Pinoy community must be wringing their hands in glee, all for 25k per month.

Bai Bai (deliberate Thai spelling, before out 25k per month TEFLrs get a hard on), wont be missed.

[Soutpeel]

I am in that boat. You will get the sanctimonious cretins on here telling you "haha well you deserve it" when they don't consider the ramifications.

Schools like mine have a fairly large ESL staff of 30. Only 4 or 5 of those people have degrees. It is to my understanding that 2/3rds of ESL teachers in Thailand do not have a degree. So what will happen to a school like mine and thousands of others? "Oh well, you don't have the right paperwork so piss off" I bet the answer on here will be

Nobody except few sad old geezers are happy with this crackdown. Visa run companies, real-estate agents and condo builders, bike and car importers and all kinds of service providers for expats. The impact will be quite far reaching.

Try renting now a condo room with this clusterf*ck..."We give you farang a tourist visa but we may or may not allow you into Thailand, ha ha!" Not exactly wonderful news for landlords.

and the point your struggling to articulate my dear Timwin ?

I believe topic at hand is "teachers without degree's staying in Thailand" not sad old geezers, real estate agents, condo builders or renting a condo...on topic as always dear boy

Based on what I have rad from timwin over the last few weeks, i assume that he is working illegally, without a degree on a tourist visa. He also seems to think that everyone is an old geezer.

The whole immigration system needs so e tightening up, there are parts of it that will affect some of our businesses, however when things become clearer then it will also become easier. There have been too many flying under the radar, this crackdown will benefit all in the long term.

I always figured Timwin as an "onliner" as opposed to an "English teacher" but you never know he might have 2 jobs... "Engrish teacher" by day, managing his "portfolio" by night

[Soutpeel]

I think your being a little harsh on yourself, but if you say so, who am I to disagree with you ?.....drunken oaf it is then, and I am sure your correct about about your over stay as well....

I think you could benefit from having a teacher mate.

No worries, lets compare pay checks at the end of the month shall we?

The Pinoy community must be wringing their hands in glee, all for 25k per month.

Bai Bai (deliberate Thai spelling, before out 25k per month TEFLrs get a hard on), wont be missed.

rgs2001uk...I think you might be onto something, with this Asean 2015 thing coming up, a tactical move by immigration to allow Pinoy teachers more employment prospects in Thailand by binning all the illegal western TEFL's in Thailand, and yes one suspects they are cheaper as well

[GoonDizzy]

I'm being a bit of an arse.

Well you said it , but only a bit of an arse ? not a complete arse ?...

Bore off.

[mrtoad]

I think your being a little harsh on yourself, but if you say so, who am I to disagree with you ?.....drunken oaf it is then, and I am sure your correct about about your over stay as well....

I think you could benefit from having a teacher mate.

No worries, lets compare pay checks at the end of the month shall we?

The Pinoy community must be wringing their hands in glee, all for 25k per month.

Bai Bai (deliberate Thai spelling, before out 25k per month TEFLrs get a hard on), wont be missed.

Agreed RG. I appreciate that some people will be affected by this, however it is not going to be the end of the world.

Certainly The Pinoy teachers will be the ones that benefit from this.

Thailand has a right to implement and enforce what ever rules it wishes regarding visas and WPs. Some of these moaning here, probably moan constantly about immigrants in their own country

[casualbiker]

If you did not meet the qualifications to teach here you never should have come here in the first place

When i came to Thailand 9 years ago i DID meet the qualifications. They changed, then changed again, and again. I have been at the same school over 6 years and at the same language school 8 years..so people think i'm an adequate teacher that they are willing to pay a salary to.

I am an English conversation teacher NOT a subject teacher i teach the students pronunciation, sentence structure and above all give them confidence to speak and for that in Thailand i need a B'ed or whats likely coming next year an M'ed..Right!

now my degree is not on the list so no waiver, no work permit, no visa.. after 6 years of work permit,visa etc using the exact same degree.. Right!

check out a company called O.E.G they are the future of private school teachers here in Thailand. educated back packers!

[FritsSikkink]

I am in that boat. You will get the sanctimonious cretins on here telling you "haha well you deserve it" when they don't consider the ramifications.

Schools like mine have a fairly large ESL staff of 30. Only 4 or 5 of those people have degrees. It is to my understanding that 2/3rds of ESL teachers in Thailand do not have a degree. So what will happen to a school like mine and thousands of others? "Oh well, you don't have the right paperwork so piss off" I bet the answer on here will be

Thailand is not Korea or Japan and most schools simply can NOT afford to pay the kind of wages those two countries do. There is going to be a huge teacher shortage and I can't see many of the (xenophobic) Thais being happy with Filipino teachers. It is going to be very interesting to see if the Junta actually consider the needs of schools and give some sort of leeway, or actually go through with enforcing these rules and trying to get qualified ESL teachers working for 35k a month I suspect a begging to please come back because ohh we actually need you like they did with the Cambodian workers will happen.

I am actually planning to study for a degree here full time next year. Whether I manage to make it until then remains to be seen. If not, off to one of Thailand's more realistic and welcoming neighbors

Why do you think the quality of spoken English is not that high in Thailand ?

Maybe because they are taught English by people who aren't qualified to do so.

[LuckyLew]

If you did not meet the qualifications to teach here you never should have come here in the first place

When i came to Thailand 9 years ago i DID meet the qualifications. They changed, then changed again, and again. I have been at the same school over 6 years and at the same language school 8 years..so people think i'm an adequate teacher that they are willing to pay a salary to.

I am an English conversation teacher NOT a subject teacher i teach the students pronunciation, sentence structure and above all give them confidence to speak and for that in Thailand i need a B'ed or whats likely coming next year an M'ed..Right!

now my degree is not on the list so no waiver, no work permit, no visa.. after 6 years of work permit,visa etc using the exact same degree.. Right!

check out a company called O.E.G they are the future of private school teachers here in Thailand. educated back packers!

Can you study at one of them online universities and get the required degree?

[casualbiker]

I think your being a little harsh on yourself, but if you say so, who am I to disagree with you ?.....drunken oaf it is then, and I am sure your correct about about your over stay as well....

I think you could benefit from having a teacher mate.

No worries, lets compare pay checks at the end of the month shall we?

The Pinoy community must be wringing their hands in glee, all for 25k per month.

Bai Bai (deliberate Thai spelling, before out 25k per month TEFLrs get a hard on), wont be missed.

rgs2001uk...I think you might be onto something, with this Asean 2015 thing coming up, a tactical move by immigration to allow Pinoy teachers more employment prospects in Thailand by binning all the illegal western TEFL's in Thailand, and yes one suspects they are cheaper as well

The vast majority of Pinoy teachers do NOT have the required 5 year Bachelor in education.

[mrtoad]

I think your being a little harsh on yourself, but if you say so, who am I to disagree with you ?.....drunken oaf it is then, and I am sure your correct about about your over stay as well....

I think you could benefit from having a teacher mate.

No worries, lets compare pay checks at the end of the month shall we?

The Pinoy community must be wringing their hands in glee, all for 25k per month.

Bai Bai (deliberate Thai spelling, before out 25k per month TEFLrs get a hard on), wont be missed.

rgs2001uk...I think you might be onto something, with this Asean 2015 thing coming up, a tactical move by immigration to allow Pinoy teachers more employment prospects in Thailand by binning all the illegal western TEFL's in Thailand, and yes one suspects they are cheaper as well

The vast majority of Pinoy teachers do NOT have the required 5 year Bachelor in education.

They are ASEAN members, so expect to see far more Pinoys taking jobs of ol whitey.

[casualbiker]

If you did not meet the qualifications to teach here you never should have come here in the first place

When i came to Thailand 9 years ago i DID meet the qualifications. They changed, then changed again, and again. I have been at the same school over 6 years and at the same language school 8 years..so people think i'm an adequate teacher that they are willing to pay a salary to.

I am an English conversation teacher NOT a subject teacher i teach the students pronunciation, sentence structure and above all give them confidence to speak and for that in Thailand i need a B'ed or whats likely coming next year an M'ed..Right!

now my degree is not on the list so no waiver, no work permit, no visa.. after 6 years of work permit,visa etc using the exact same degree.. Right!

check out a company called O.E.G they are the future of private school teachers here in Thailand. educated back packers!

Can you study at one of them online universities and get the required degree?

yes, no , maybe.

At my school a teacher asked Krusapha to recommend a degree course so he could get a teaching licence. They told him Bachelors in English at Ramkampheng University. 21/2 years and 160k in it is no longer enough for licence only for waivers and then when finished he will have to do a 2 year MA'ed another 100k.. changes, changes who can keep up?

[casualbiker]

I think your being a little harsh on yourself, but if you say so, who am I to disagree with you ?.....drunken oaf it is then, and I am sure your correct about about your over stay as well....

I think you could benefit from having a teacher mate.

No worries, lets compare pay checks at the end of the month shall we?

The Pinoy community must be wringing their hands in glee, all for 25k per month.

Bai Bai (deliberate Thai spelling, before out 25k per month TEFLrs get a hard on), wont be missed.

rgs2001uk...I think you might be onto something, with this Asean 2015 thing coming up, a tactical move by immigration to allow Pinoy teachers more employment prospects in Thailand by binning all the illegal western TEFL's in Thailand, and yes one suspects they are cheaper as well

The vast majority of Pinoy teachers do NOT have the required 5 year Bachelor in education.

They are ASEAN members, so expect to see far more Pinoys taking jobs of ol whitey.

Maybe BUT without the 5 year BA'ed they will still not get a teachers licence.

[Soutpeel]

Thailand has a right to implement and enforce what ever rules it wishes regarding visas and WPs. Some of these moaning here, probably moan constantly about immigrants in their own country

I agree

Of course Thailand has the right to impose what ever rules they deem fit for the benefit of Thailand as a nation, What I am detecting on this thread and others over recent weeks is a sense of self entitlement by a lot of the posters, who I think sincerly believe its their right to stay in Thailand as long as they wish, work illegally and flaunt the rules as they see fit.

But seems the times are a changin in Thailand and the days of having no real consequnces imposed on people over staying, working illegally etc are now coming to an end and it can only be for the better...... but to move back to the specific topic at hand, clearing out all the illegal pretenders in the teaching industry will make room for the real teachers and one hopes they are paid a salary which is appropriate to their skills, experience and qualifications.

[LuckyLew]

If you did not meet the qualifications to teach here you never should have come here in the first place

When i came to Thailand 9 years ago i DID meet the qualifications. They changed, then changed again, and again. I have been at the same school over 6 years and at the same language school 8 years..so people think i'm an adequate teacher that they are willing to pay a salary to.

I am an English conversation teacher NOT a subject teacher i teach the students pronunciation, sentence structure and above all give them confidence to speak and for that in Thailand i need a B'ed or whats likely coming next year an M'ed..Right!

now my degree is not on the list so no waiver, no work permit, no visa.. after 6 years of work permit,visa etc using the exact same degree.. Right!

check out a company called O.E.G they are the future of private school teachers here in Thailand. educated back packers!

Can you study at one of them online universities and get the required degree?

yes, no , maybe.

At my school a teacher asked Krusapha to recommend a degree course so he could get a teaching licence. They told him Bachelors in English at Ramkampheng University. 21/2 years and 160k in it is no longer enough for licence only for waivers and then when finished he will have to do a 2 year MA'ed another 100k.. changes, changes who can keep up?

Don't you get tired of them moving the goal posts? why put up with it? marry a thai ... get a visa.... knock one up ... get a visa

[Soutpeel]

The vast majority of Pinoy teachers do NOT have the required 5 year Bachelor in education.

and neither do the vast majority of the current "teachers" but one suspects under the Asean thing, the Pinoy teachers would be acceptable under some form reciprocal agreement between the Asean nations, therefore the 5 year requirement would not apply to teachers from the Asean group and would only be applicable to teachers who come from outside the Asean group of countries.

[Timwin]

Based on what I have rad from timwin over the last few weeks, i assume that he is working illegally, without a degree on a tourist visa. He also seems to think that everyone is an old geezer.

The whole immigration system needs so e tightening up, there are parts of it that will affect some of our businesses, however when things become clearer then it will also become easier. There have been too many flying under the radar, this crackdown will benefit all in the long term.

Oh, we got a real Sherlock here. Don't quit your day job, pal.

[mrtoad]

Based on what I have rad from timwin over the last few weeks, i assume that he is working illegally, without a degree on a tourist visa. He also seems to think that everyone is an old geezer.

The whole immigration system needs so e tightening up, there are parts of it that will affect some of our businesses, however when things become clearer then it will also become easier. There have been too many flying under the radar, this crackdown will benefit all in the long term.

Oh, we got a real Sherlock here. Don't quit your day job, pal.

Pal?

I don't think so timmy boy.