Military leaders further centralise power by suspending local elections: Thailand

[mrmicbkktxl]

More jobs for the boys. Anyone who thinks any of this will lead to democracy probably believes in the tooth fairy

And anyone who thinks that Thailand is ready for a democracy likely believes in Santa Claus.

Who not ready?I guess u mean army,hisos and ,untouchables who kicked out every elected government who was not pro army,royalists or bkk hiso,correct?

[englishoak]

Well thats yet another beer ive won on a friendly bet as whats going to happen.

At this rate ill be able to get drunk for week on free beers.

On a serious note it just shows there is no such thing as rights.... if rights can be taken away they are nothing but temporary privileges.

Im not going to list the rescinded rights privileges , theres no need, everyone is capable of seeing it with their own eyes.

[SouthernMan3]

Thought all Suthep friends and Yingluk haters wanted exactly that.Why you guys crying now?Those are the reforms Suthep was talking about.Hope you guys all happy now.I better have 100 corrupt Yingluks than one Suthep or junta ruled country.Welcome to new democratic Thailand.This was all long planned by army and Suthep.

You are right.

This is want we want.

I am not crying.

Nor are any of my Thai friends.

Things are just peachy right now

"Southern Man"the name says a lot.The army should go on cleaning up Thailand but then return Thailand to the people,

I agree completely and that is the plan

So no worries mate

[cmsally]

Thought all Suthep friends and Yingluk haters wanted exactly that.Why you guys crying now?Those are the reforms Suthep was talking about.Hope you guys all happy now.I better have 100 corrupt Yingluks than one Suthep or junta ruled country.Welcome to new democratic Thailand.This was all long planned by army and Suthep.

You are right.

This is want we want.

I am not crying.

Nor are any of my Thai friends.

Things are just peachy right now

"Southern Man"the name says a lot.The army should go on cleaning up Thailand but then return Thailand to the people,

I agree completely and that is the plan

So no worries mate

Could you please explain to me how a mostly unelected government (if elections occur) and no absolute deadline for elections = returning the country to the people.

[canuckamuck]

There is no true democracy without a free press. If they are going to control the media, they might as well go full out with the dictatorship too. At least they wouldn't have to pretend anymore.

[WhamBam]

This is scary for democracy.

It feels like someone with a screwdriver slowly screwing in the screws one by one to nail the lid on democracy.

[SouthernMan3]

"Could you please explain to me how a mostly unelected government (if elections occur) and no absolute deadline for elections = returning the country to the people."

Read the newspaper man.

Watch the news.

Listen to the speeches.

Or do you not understand Thai language ?

[cmsally]

"Could you please explain to me how a mostly unelected government (if elections occur) and no absolute deadline for elections = returning the country to the people."

Read the newspaper man.

Watch the news.

Listen to the speeches.

Or do you not understand Thai language ?

Well to start with there is no free press but yes I do read papers both from here and abroad as well as the news. The speeches also provide some light amusement. Yes thank you I do understand Thai very well.

Of course you do realise that as in most countries what is "broadcast" is not always the view/opinion of the broadcaster. In every country you have the public level of politics which is visible the undercurrent of goings on and all sorts of private group/personal levels.

Basically putting on the show for the populace and giving the populace a voice are 2 very different things.

[SouthernMan3]

"Could you please explain to me how a mostly unelected government (if elections occur) and no absolute deadline for elections = returning the country to the people."

Read the newspaper man.

Watch the news.

Listen to the speeches.

Or do you not understand Thai language ?

Well to start with there is no free press but yes I do read papers both from here and abroad as well as the news. The speeches also provide some light amusement. Yes thank you I do understand Thai very well.

Of course you do realise that as in most countries what is "broadcast" is not always the view/opinion of the broadcaster. In every country you have the public level of politics which is visible the undercurrent of goings on and all sorts of private group/personal levels.

Basically putting on the show for the populace and giving the populace a voice are 2 very different things.

Good.

You speak the language like me.

And yes, the news is the news.

What they want us to hear and know.

But do you really need me to enlighten and teach you ?

Can you not learn yourself ?

Maybe you are just afraid.

Have no faith.

[cmsally]

"Could you please explain to me how a mostly unelected government (if elections occur) and no absolute deadline for elections = returning the country to the people."

Sorry you have failed to answer the question, maybe I should assume you do not have a full grasp of the issues.

[heybruce]

Could you please explain to me how a mostly unelected government (if elections occur) and no absolute deadline for elections = returning the country to the people.

Obviously they can return the country to the people any time they want to. It's equally obvious they won't return the country until they want to, and the return will be under conditions and restrictions of they're choosing.

[Alwyn]

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Assuming it's only temporary, and the needs of the common people are addressed......where's the problem?

Shouldn't the PEOPLE decide their own needs and not a bureaucrat that will follw the dictates of the Junta ?

The junta do not believe that 'the people' can be trusted to, nor are capable of, deciding their own needs.

Hence this imposition of 'daddy knows what's best' ruling from the top.

The related question has to be: "will these bureaucrats be trusted to, or be capable of, deciding what 'the people' need?"

Methinks not.

Ditto that

[northernjohn]

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Assuming it's only temporary, and the needs of the common people are addressed......where's the problem?

Shouldn't the PEOPLE decide their own needs and not a bureaucrat that will follw the dictates of the Junta ?

The junta do not believe that 'the people' can be trusted to, nor are capable of, deciding their own needs.

Hence this imposition of 'daddy knows what's best' ruling from the top.

The related question has to be: "will these bureaucrats be trusted to, or be capable of, deciding what 'the people' need?"

Methinks not.

Well you and your buddies are welcome to any thing you want to think. I notice that you have no problem with the changes all ready made.

Your fear is in well they could. Try Hip hip hooray we have a government that not only cares about the people but is proving it in their actions. the bonus is that they are going to clean it up to the point where there will be honest politicians in the next election they are shooting for in a year and a half.

They must be inspired to clean up that big of a mess in only a year and a half.

Now don't you feel better?

[northernjohn]

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Assuming it's only temporary, and the needs of the common people are addressed......where's the problem?

Shouldn't the PEOPLE decide their own needs and not a bureaucrat that will follw the dictates of the Junta ?

The junta do not believe that 'the people' can be trusted to, nor are capable of, deciding their own needs.

Hence this imposition of 'daddy knows what's best' ruling from the top.

The related question has to be: "will these bureaucrats be trusted to, or be capable of, deciding what 'the people' need?"

Methinks not.

Ditto that

See post 73

[Roadman]

Could you please explain to me how a mostly unelected government (if elections occur) and no absolute deadline for elections = returning the country to the people.

Obviously they can return the country to the people any time they want to. It's equally obvious they won't return the country until they want to, and the return will be under conditions and restrictions of they're choosing.

Well done brucie. You finally get it. It's called Martial Law. Its needed when criminals in charge are the only other option.

[northernjohn]

More jobs for the boys. Anyone who thinks any of this will lead to democracy probably believes in the tooth fairy

Question for you and your followers.

What has Democracy done for the people?

In a nation of 66 million people when half don't vote and out of the ones that do vote over half don't want the ones who win how can you call that a Democracy?

What good does it do the people?

People committing suicide because of it's policies. Students loosing the ability to learn due to cheap ill thought out poor performing pads with no real learning programs on them. Floods where the government stores supplies. Does nothing to help the people unless they live in Bangkok. The rest of Thailand didn't count. In fact it was there releasing water from behind a dam that caused it all. The army on their own moved in and helped.

The Government turned down American help that could have supplied and delivered all the fresh water that was needed.

The Army stepped in and took away the rights to vote. Then proceeded to do things for the benefit of Thailand. They laid out a plan where the people could once again vote in about a year and a half. First they are getting rid of the trash that was stealing the country blind. (those are the ones who are opposed to the army) then they are going to pass laws that make it impossible to go back to a dictatorship such as the one they just got out from under with a known criminal on the run afraid to step foot in the country yet buying all the crooked politicians to do what he says to do. In short a insane dictatorship. Name me one other country where the Prime Minister does not attend a cabinet meeting and instead has her brother a convicted criminal living in a self imposed exile call in and give instructions. That is not Democracy.

No the army is not a democracy but it is a government making it possible to have a Democracy.

Whoa, back up

I have followers

SWEET!!!

ps. as for the rest of the rubbish that follows, I agree that PT were crap as I have stated many times. But my tooth fairy comment still stands if you think the military is interested in anything more than their own power as they have always been. Lets face it, they have never done their job of defending the country (excluding the 4 hours when Japan invaded) and are setting themselves up to turn Thailand into a copy of Burma in its Junta times. Surely the people should choose their own representation even if it disagrees with your or my opinion or should they remain slaves to the 'right people'.

your sincerely

Demi god CMTim

So you are seeing similarities in what they are doing that compare with the Burma's Junta. Interesting. Pretty desperate aren't you having to go back to their uselessness 75 years ago. I was unaware of any other invasion of Thailand.

Yes you have followers willing to believe the PTP were the answer and should have been left in power to continue raping the country. You didn't really think you were alone did you. Sounds more like you were using your tooth fairy for your caddy.

[northernjohn]

Basically no surprise as the grip tightens!

This is no short term planning.

True it is about a year and a half plan.

You didn't really think they could accomplish any thing by opening up all the impediments to corruption did you?

Strange way of thinking.

You believe the 2015 election bullshit? This is a major shutdown in operation.

Here is their get out clause:

"The NCPO did not say how long local elections will be suspended for. According to the juntas roadmap, a national election will not be held until late next year and only if the "national reconciliation" process is deemed complete."

This has been planned for quite some time and you could see it coming.

You are proposing they have it when the national reconciliation is not complete.

I disagree. You are living in the past. The army is using their earlier mistakes as a lesson for what not to do.

Yes it is a major shut down. You have a plan to accomplish it another way. Please tell us we are all waiting.

[northernjohn]

Could you please explain to me how a mostly unelected government (if elections occur) and no absolute deadline for elections = returning the country to the people.

Obviously they can return the country to the people any time they want to. It's equally obvious they won't return the country until they want to, and the return will be under conditions and restrictions of they're choosing.

Well done brucie. You finally get it. It's called Martial Law. Its needed when criminals in charge are the only other option.

I was beginning to think he was a lost cause.

[heybruce]

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Assuming it's only temporary, and the needs of the common people are addressed......where's the problem?

Shouldn't the PEOPLE decide their own needs and not a bureaucrat that will follw the dictates of the Junta ?

The junta do not believe that 'the people' can be trusted to, nor are capable of, deciding their own needs.

Hence this imposition of 'daddy knows what's best' ruling from the top.

The related question has to be: "will these bureaucrats be trusted to, or be capable of, deciding what 'the people' need?"

Methinks not.

Well you and your buddies are welcome to any thing you want to think. I notice that you have no problem with the changes all ready made.

Your fear is in well they could. Try Hip hip hooray we have a government that not only cares about the people but is proving it in their actions. the bonus is that they are going to clean it up to the point where there will be honest politicians in the next election they are shooting for in a year and a half.

They must be inspired to clean up that big of a mess in only a year and a half.

Now don't you feel better?

"I notice that you have no problem with the changes all ready made."

Why would anyone have a problem with censorship, loss of free speech and freedom of association, and elimination of democracy?

Some people are a little concerned that when the military "relinquishes" power they will only allow a facade of democracy while they retain the real power, and what recourse the people have if that happens. Clearly you're not worried about it.

[Alwyn]

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Assuming it's only temporary, and the needs of the common people are addressed......where's the problem?

Shouldn't the PEOPLE decide their own needs and not a bureaucrat that will follw the dictates of the Junta ?

The junta do not believe that 'the people' can be trusted to, nor are capable of, deciding their own needs.

Hence this imposition of 'daddy knows what's best' ruling from the top.

The related question has to be: "will these bureaucrats be trusted to, or be capable of, deciding what 'the people' need?"

Methinks not.

Well you and your buddies are welcome to any thing you want to think. I notice that you have no problem with the changes all ready made.

Your fear is in well they could. Try Hip hip hooray we have a government that not only cares about the people but is proving it in their actions. the bonus is that they are going to clean it up to the point where there will be honest politicians in the next election they are shooting for in a year and a half.

They must be inspired to clean up that big of a mess in only a year and a half.

Now don't you feel better?

"try hip hip hooray we have a government that not only cares" etc... errr.. there is no government, senate & constitution dissolved etc. Have you not been keeping up with the news? There is NO government, there is a Junta and martial law right now. The Junta has said they might allow an election in 18 months or so if the people are doing what they're told and only with bureaucrats they put forward. The changes so far have been inspiring though. Motor bike taxis in BKK to wear the same coloured vests is awesome. I really think they've done well with the terrorist insurgents in the south.. oh no wait.... Nothing of substance so far, just smoke and mirrors and setting the ground work for a long term dictatorship. It's all b*llox. I would love to see a corruption free Thailand, the Thaksin dynasty laid to rest, Suthep put in prison but none of this will ever happen.

[TimCM]

More jobs for the boys. Anyone who thinks any of this will lead to democracy probably believes in the tooth fairy

Question for you and your followers.

What has Democracy done for the people?

In a nation of 66 million people when half don't vote and out of the ones that do vote over half don't want the ones who win how can you call that a Democracy?

What good does it do the people?

People committing suicide because of it's policies. Students loosing the ability to learn due to cheap ill thought out poor performing pads with no real learning programs on them. Floods where the government stores supplies. Does nothing to help the people unless they live in Bangkok. The rest of Thailand didn't count. In fact it was there releasing water from behind a dam that caused it all. The army on their own moved in and helped.

The Government turned down American help that could have supplied and delivered all the fresh water that was needed.

The Army stepped in and took away the rights to vote. Then proceeded to do things for the benefit of Thailand. They laid out a plan where the people could once again vote in about a year and a half. First they are getting rid of the trash that was stealing the country blind. (those are the ones who are opposed to the army) then they are going to pass laws that make it impossible to go back to a dictatorship such as the one they just got out from under with a known criminal on the run afraid to step foot in the country yet buying all the crooked politicians to do what he says to do. In short a insane dictatorship. Name me one other country where the Prime Minister does not attend a cabinet meeting and instead has her brother a convicted criminal living in a self imposed exile call in and give instructions. That is not Democracy.

No the army is not a democracy but it is a government making it possible to have a Democracy.

Whoa, back up

I have followers

SWEET!!!

ps. as for the rest of the rubbish that follows, I agree that PT were crap as I have stated many times. But my tooth fairy comment still stands if you think the military is interested in anything more than their own power as they have always been. Lets face it, they have never done their job of defending the country (excluding the 4 hours when Japan invaded) and are setting themselves up to turn Thailand into a copy of Burma in its Junta times. Surely the people should choose their own representation even if it disagrees with your or my opinion or should they remain slaves to the 'right people'.

your sincerely

Demi god CMTim

So you are seeing similarities in what they are doing that compare with the Burma's Junta. Interesting. Pretty desperate aren't you having to go back to their uselessness 75 years ago. I was unaware of any other invasion of Thailand.

Yes you have followers willing to believe the PTP were the answer and should have been left in power to continue raping the country. You didn't really think you were alone did you. Sounds more like you were using your tooth fairy for your caddy.

Did you even read my post or did you not understand it?

I clearly state my dislike for PTP yet you claim the exact opposite. Although I disagree with your love of dictatorships, your posts are usually of a higher standard than this. This borders on a deliberate troll

ps. No one would dare invade Thailand as their military has never lost a war

Edited July 20, 2014 by TimCM

[Mudcrab]

More jobs for the boys. Anyone who thinks any of this will lead to democracy probably believes in the tooth fairy

And anyone who thinks that Thailand is ready for a democracy likely believes in Santa Claus.

I don't think that they are ready for a western style democratic system with all the corrupt, selfish Sino-Thai power grabbers around. When the average Thai guy understand that they been shafted big time by the Sino-Thai elite (including the Shin clan) the real problems will start for this country.

I don't think they are ready for a democracy, period.

Not quite yet.

When the average Thai understands that "what you said" that is when the real progress, not problems, will start kap

Your kaps lock is on......turn it off......please.