Fungus

[h90]

My father has a fungus (english correct??) on his toe, since years.

He was at several doctors in Farangland and got several cremes nothing really helped.

 

Once, years ago I gave him a creme I used in Thailand and it "cured" it. It was good several years and than came back. Either it wasn't complete gone or he reinfected himself.

 

Now I have no idea anymore what creme it was. I remember that I read it and it contained a fungizid and to my surprise an antibiotics and no cortisone. But as it is years ago I may remember wrong.

 

Anyone has experience with such and can recommend something.

 

He uses it twice a day and maybe forgets sometimes which is of course wrong. When I used it, I put it on a pad that I stick to the toe so it is always wet with it. Between I sometimes cleaned it with these fluids for females that prevent fungus in the vagina. Most fungi don't like sour and these fluids are sour. Than I put a lot ultraviolet light on it and put the creme back on.

After 2 weeks it was gone and I continued another 2 weeks. He has it since years.....

[inzman]

I too have an fungus infection on my big toe. I use quadriderm creme twice a day. It is an anti-fungal creme. Good luck.


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[h90]

I too have an fungus infection on my big toe. I use quadriderm creme twice a day. It is an anti-fungal creme. Good luck.


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did it cure it? Or just hold it at bay like the situation of my father?

It seems it isn't easy to kill it...

[tolsti]

Have you tried teatree oil? It is very effective on fungal nails etc. Quadriderm is very good also.


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[h90]

Have you tried teatree oil? It is very effective on fungal nails etc. Quadriderm is very good also.


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Really? No not tried...but can add it to the multi-attack

Thanks

[scoutman360]

Bleach bleach bleach. I know about fungus creams, but they don't get deep into nails. I read once to soak your nails in diluted bleach every day for a few days... and it worked!! Google is your friend. There are other cheap remedies such as vinegar which changes the PH of the nail and kills the fungus.

[GaryB1263]

I am currently using Tonaf Cream. It is 2.0% Tolnaftate. It seems to help.

[FireMedic]

I dont know if Terbinafin is available here, but if someone has recurring fungal infections it is the way to go. It can be expensive AND you absolutely CAN NOT have alcohol while you are taking it.....but it works very well and it usually never comes back.

[inzman]

Quadraderm was a long term treatment. But alas it came back. I'm trying it again and this time I will extend the application period and be more diligent.

[Will2011]

My father has a fungus (english correct??) on his toe, since years.
He was at several doctors in Farangland and got several cremes nothing really helped.

Once, years ago I gave him a creme I used in Thailand and it "cured" it. It was good several years and than came back. Either it wasn't complete gone or he reinfected himself.

Now I have no idea anymore what creme it was. I remember that I read it and it contained a fungizid and to my surprise an antibiotics and no cortisone. But as it is years ago I may remember wrong.

Anyone has experience with such and can recommend something.

He uses it twice a day and maybe forgets sometimes which is of course wrong. When I used it, I put it on a pad that I stick to the toe so it is always wet with it. Between I sometimes cleaned it with these fluids for females that prevent fungus in the vagina. Most fungi don't like sour and these fluids are sour. Than I put a lot ultraviolet light on it and put the creme back on.
After 2 weeks it was gone and I continued another 2 weeks. He has it since years.....

The anti-fungal cream you gave to your father that cured him, was it Nizoral Cream? http://www.nizoralshop.com/en/home/25-nizoral-cream-20g-ketoconazole-antifungal-jock-itch-ring-worm-athletes-foot.html
Check the picture and description, as it looks like what you are referring to.

[arjunadawn]

Onychomycosis is a common nail infection, more so on toes. Often they are managed well with topical applications but for many require oral antifungals. While oral anti fungal scan be obtained easily I recommend a doctor monitor liver profile as some of these oral meds are quite stressful on the liver. In my experience most do not respond entirely to topicals, especially tolnaftate creams. When caring for the elderly you must have a larger overview of the problem: is there concurrent diabetes? Problems with circulation? Cellulitis? Other medical issues can exacerbate a simple local infection.

[h90]

Bleach bleach bleach. I know about fungus creams, but they don't get deep into nails. I read once to soak your nails in diluted bleach every day for a few days... and it worked!! Google is your friend. There are other cheap remedies such as vinegar which changes the PH of the nail and kills the fungus.

 

thanks good idea! I used instead of the vinegar this fluids made for ladies..... which are also low ph and I think they are buffers to hold the ph low.

but bleach is of course an excellent idea....

[h90]

Onychomycosis is a common nail infection, more so on toes. Often they are managed well with topical applications but for many require oral antifungals. While oral anti fungal scan be obtained easily I recommend a doctor monitor liver profile as some of these oral meds are quite stressful on the liver. In my experience most do not respond entirely to topicals, especially tolnaftate creams. When caring for the elderly you must have a larger overview of the problem: is there concurrent diabetes? Problems with circulation? Cellulitis? Other medical issues can exacerbate a simple local infection.

 

No other medical issues. 73 and all fine. He doesn't take any medication. He is fighting this fungus for at least 20 years I think. Often it was good and came back. I am not sure if he stopped treatment to early or if he reinfect himself (I guess the fungus is everywhere, shoes, socks, floor, etc.).

[arjunadawn]

Onychomycosis is a common nail infection, more so on toes. Often they are managed well with topical applications but for many require oral antifungals. While oral anti fungal scan be obtained easily I recommend a doctor monitor liver profile as some of these oral meds are quite stressful on the liver. In my experience most do not respond entirely to topicals, especially tolnaftate creams. When caring for the elderly you must have a larger overview of the problem: is there concurrent diabetes? Problems with circulation? Cellulitis? Other medical issues can exacerbate a simple local infection.

 
No other medical issues. 73 and all fine. He doesn't take any medication. He is fighting this fungus for at least 20 years I think. Often it was good and came back. I am not sure if he stopped treatment to early or if he reinfect himself (I guess the fungus is everywhere, shoes, socks, floor, etc.).

Yes, it is everywhere. Toe nail fungus is usually tinea. Can get on feet- pedis, crotch- cruis, capitis, corporis... anywhere. After 20 years he's clearly been unsuccessful with topical Application. Yet at 73 you must consider the gains to risk of treating this more aggressively. I have seen this condition so bad that clearly treatment had to be initiated, and nearly all toe nails removed (this is less horrible than it sounds). But an online forum cannot estimate severity. I would really suggest a medical opinion and wouldn't advise oral Rx unless it began at same time as liver enzymes profile , and follow up labs to confirm medication safety.

The best you can do is seek competent medical judgement, especially for older patients.

[h90]

 

 

Onychomycosis is a common nail infection, more so on toes. Often they are managed well with topical applications but for many require oral antifungals. While oral anti fungal scan be obtained easily I recommend a doctor monitor liver profile as some of these oral meds are quite stressful on the liver. In my experience most do not respond entirely to topicals, especially tolnaftate creams. When caring for the elderly you must have a larger overview of the problem: is there concurrent diabetes? Problems with circulation? Cellulitis? Other medical issues can exacerbate a simple local infection.

 
No other medical issues. 73 and all fine. He doesn't take any medication. He is fighting this fungus for at least 20 years I think. Often it was good and came back. I am not sure if he stopped treatment to early or if he reinfect himself (I guess the fungus is everywhere, shoes, socks, floor, etc.).

Yes, it is everywhere. Toe nail fungus is usually tinea. Can get on feet- pedis, crotch- cruis, capitis, corporis... anywhere. After 20 years he's clearly been unsuccessful with topical Application. Yet at 73 you must consider the gains to risk of treating this more aggressively. I have seen this condition so bad that clearly treatment had to be initiated, and nearly all toe nails removed (this is less horrible than it sounds). But an online forum cannot estimate severity. I would really suggest a medical opinion and wouldn't advise oral Rx unless it began at same time as liver enzymes profile , and follow up labs to confirm medication safety.

The best you can do is seek competent medical judgement, especially for older patients.

 

 

Well the usual doctors opinion is to give a creme and telling that you have to live with it (universal health care).

 

I don't think that the method (topical application) is to blame. I think he is to blame.

Put the creme on top of it, twice a day, but forgetting some days is just training a resistance into the fungus.

When it gets "good"  he stopped treatment instead of continue for a while.

 

So I want to get him a good creme and talk to him to really take care of it and really continue after it seems to be good.

(He is mental 100 % fit.....)

 

[h90]

I dont know if Terbinafin is available here, but if someone has recurring fungal infections it is the way to go. It can be expensive AND you absolutely CAN NOT have alcohol while you are taking it.....but it works very well and it usually never comes back.

 

I doubt he likes the idea of no alcohol for such a minor (as he sees it, not my opinion) problem.

[arjunadawn]

 

 

Onychomycosis is a common nail infection, more so on toes. Often they are managed well with topical applications but for many require oral antifungals. While oral anti fungal scan be obtained easily I recommend a doctor monitor liver profile as some of these oral meds are quite stressful on the liver. In my experience most do not respond entirely to topicals, especially tolnaftate creams. When caring for the elderly you must have a larger overview of the problem: is there concurrent diabetes? Problems with circulation? Cellulitis? Other medical issues can exacerbate a simple local infection.

 
No other medical issues. 73 and all fine. He doesn't take any medication. He is fighting this fungus for at least 20 years I think. Often it was good and came back. I am not sure if he stopped treatment to early or if he reinfect himself (I guess the fungus is everywhere, shoes, socks, floor, etc.).

Yes, it is everywhere. Toe nail fungus is usually tinea. Can get on feet- pedis, crotch- cruis, capitis, corporis... anywhere. After 20 years he's clearly been unsuccessful with topical Application. Yet at 73 you must consider the gains to risk of treating this more aggressively. I have seen this condition so bad that clearly treatment had to be initiated, and nearly all toe nails removed (this is less horrible than it sounds). But an online forum cannot estimate severity. I would really suggest a medical opinion and wouldn't advise oral Rx unless it began at same time as liver enzymes profile , and follow up labs to confirm medication safety.

The best you can do is seek competent medical judgement, especially for older patients.
 

 
Well the usual doctors opinion is to give a creme and telling that you have to live with it (universal health care).
 
I don't think that the method (topical application) is to blame. I think he is to blame.
Put the creme on top of it, twice a day, but forgetting some days is just training a resistance into the fungus.
When it gets "good"  he stopped treatment instead of continue for a while.
 
So I want to get him a good creme and talk to him to really take care of it and really continue after it seems to be good.
(He is mental 100 % fit.....)
 

If you can get it managed that would be the best choice for a man his age. Try something: get the cream and sit beside him, asking him to show you how he applies it. It's incidental how he applies it- you can show him yourself. But watch his effort. Note his breathing when he bends forward. Why? Because I've repeatedly observed that as people get older caring for activities much beneath the knees becomes burdensome, or impossible. Of course this becomes tragic for diabetics and peripheral neuropathy patients. But generally older people also avoid feet grooming, etc. just check it out. Often this is why older patients are noncompliant with podiatrists. If he's just a knucklehead, then tell him "he's got to do it or you'll do it for him- and if you do it it's going on YouTube!" :-)
Joking. Good luck!

[h90]

 

 

 

 

No other medical issues. 73 and all fine. He doesn't take any medication. He is fighting this fungus for at least 20 years I think. Often it was good and came back. I am not sure if he stopped treatment to early or if he reinfect himself (I guess the fungus is everywhere, shoes, socks, floor, etc.).

Yes, it is everywhere. Toe nail fungus is usually tinea. Can get on feet- pedis, crotch- cruis, capitis, corporis... anywhere. After 20 years he's clearly been unsuccessful with topical Application. Yet at 73 you must consider the gains to risk of treating this more aggressively. I have seen this condition so bad that clearly treatment had to be initiated, and nearly all toe nails removed (this is less horrible than it sounds). But an online forum cannot estimate severity. I would really suggest a medical opinion and wouldn't advise oral Rx unless it began at same time as liver enzymes profile , and follow up labs to confirm medication safety.

The best you can do is seek competent medical judgement, especially for older patients.
 

 
Well the usual doctors opinion is to give a creme and telling that you have to live with it (universal health care).
 
I don't think that the method (topical application) is to blame. I think he is to blame.
Put the creme on top of it, twice a day, but forgetting some days is just training a resistance into the fungus.
When it gets "good"  he stopped treatment instead of continue for a while.
 
So I want to get him a good creme and talk to him to really take care of it and really continue after it seems to be good.
(He is mental 100 % fit.....)
 

If you can get it managed that would be the best choice for a man his age. Try something: get the cream and sit beside him, asking him to show you how he applies it. It's incidental how he applies it- you can show him yourself. But watch his effort. Note his breathing when he bends forward. Why? Because I've repeatedly observed that as people get older caring for activities much beneath the knees becomes burdensome, or impossible. Of course this becomes tragic for diabetics and peripheral neuropathy patients. But generally older people also avoid feet grooming, etc. just check it out. Often this is why older patients are noncompliant with podiatrists. If he's just a knucklehead, then tell him "he's got to do it or you'll do it for him- and if you do it it's going on YouTube!" :-)
Joking. Good luck!

 

 

he is just a knucklehead...he works every day on the house, going with the caravan around, taking care a boat...swimming out to it and climb into it.....

But now I got a good idea......I will tell my mother to take care that he don't forget .....

 

[Sheryl]

Is the fungus on his toe or in the nail? Makes a difference.

 

Creams do not penetrate into the nail well.

[attrayant]

Sounds like he spends a lot of time with wet feet. That certainly doesn't help matters. Keeping skin and nails clean & dry is critically important in the treatment of superficial microbial infections.

[h90]

Is the fungus on his toe or in the nail? Makes a difference.

 

Creams do not penetrate into the nail well.

 

I am not sure....I'll check on that
 

[h90]

Sounds like he spends a lot of time with wet feet. That certainly doesn't help matters. Keeping skin and nails clean & dry is critically important in the treatment of superficial microbial infections.

 

well. cold Europe and having closed shoes all the time.....so yes sure

[attrayant]

It's not a cure, but keeping the feet cool and dry can lessen the severity of fungal attacks. I used to get athlete's foot pretty regularly back in the states and that was in the comparably mild midatlantic area. I was very worried that it would be unbearable in a warm, moist country like Thailand. But I dust my feet with a medicated power (Gold Bond is a popular brand in the states) in the morning and wear toe socks whenever I have to wear closed-toed shoes.  Following this routine, I haven't had a serious outbreak in the three years that I've been here.

 

This is probably not much help for the OP, as nail fungus is much harder to treat than the ordinary skin variety.  But if the situation ever gets remedied, it might help prevent a relapse or make future occurrences less severe.

[h90]

It's not a cure, but keeping the feet cool and dry can lessen the severity of fungal attacks. I used to get athlete's foot pretty regularly back in the states and that was in the comparably mild midatlantic area. I was very worried that it would be unbearable in a warm, moist country like Thailand. But I dust my feet with a medicated power (Gold Bond is a popular brand in the states) in the morning and wear toe socks whenever I have to wear closed-toed shoes.  Following this routine, I haven't had a serious outbreak in the three years that I've been here.

 

This is probably not much help for the OP, as nail fungus is much harder to treat than the ordinary skin variety.  But if the situation ever gets remedied, it might help prevent a relapse or make future occurrences less severe.

 

When I spoke last time with my father about, he told me when he is camping in Croatia and walking there mostly without shoes it get worse (or worse afterwards?). I think at home he take the creme on it and put the socks on. There he put the creme on it, next go in the water and the creme is gone.

 

So I want to collect as much information as possible first and than talk with him...

[bofhman]

Tea tree oil or DMSO with chlorine dioxide.


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[rodknock]

lorceryl, penetrates the nail, kills fungus. i am using it and seeing results. some times takes a while.

i use cherdpong hansasuta,M.D.  he is at the podiatry clinic at bangkok hospital.  good dr.

[Naam]

 

Bleach bleach bleach. I know about fungus creams, but they don't get deep into nails. I read once to soak your nails in diluted bleach every day for a few days... and it worked!! Google is your friend. There are other cheap remedies such as vinegar which changes the PH of the nail and kills the fungus.

 

thanks good idea! I used instead of the vinegar this fluids made for ladies..... which are also low ph and I think they are buffers to hold the ph low.

but bleach is of course an excellent idea....

 

except for the fact that virtually all household bleach has an extremely high pH (usually 11-12).

[inzman]

Wow, I tried the bleach diluted in water this week. Fungus in my big toes completely gone. Toenail is now white. Worked after soaking one time, but I soaked two more days for 10 minutes each time to be sure. Thanks for the solution!

[h90]

Wow, I tried the bleach diluted in water this week. Fungus in my big toes completely gone. Toenail is now white. Worked after soaking one time, but I soaked two more days for 10 minutes each time to be sure. Thanks for the solution!

 

Can you tell me which bleach and how much you diluted it?

 

My theory is that the bleach is oxidizing the fungus. While the skin is surprisingly resistant to many kinds of chemicals (including acids, bases oxidation), at least for some time, till the upper skin is gone.

[GaryB1263]

Is the fungus on his toe or in the nail? Makes a difference.

 

Creams do not penetrate into the nail well.

 

 

What medicine does penetrate the nail? Is soaking in a bleach solution recommended?