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ryanhull

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ryanhull Silver Member

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Hi All,

 

I was in Hua Hin yesterday and got my usual load of mozzie bites,

 

However today I have noticed my hand has a large bruise, well its dark like a bruise but doesn't hurt like a bruise when pressed etc.

 

I know I got bitten quite alot however I am assuming I must have itched the bite so much in my sleep I have caused bruising. Saying that a mate has been sh*tting me up saying I will have been bitten by a spider and will die in the next 24 hours (great mates I have)

 

Just wondering, has anyone ever been bitten by a spider in Thailand and did it bruise? also has anyone had bruising from a mozzie bite?

 

I am assuming it is not a spider as it has not swollen up nor is it giving me any pain. Are there any bad spiders in Thailand? if it was a spider bite I would have imagined it be in pain by now or atleast have a swollen hand?

 

Thanks in advance for reading this

 

 

Loptr Gold Member

Loptr

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Go see a doctor... It's cheap and easy... Better to be sure than to wait too long and have your hand fall off... 

 

rhythmworx Gold Member

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Best get to a doctor or hospital ASAP it could be Lyme disease.

 

If that's the case the longer you leave it the greater your chance of paralysis, encephalitis, meningitis etc...

ukrules Star Member

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I find the best thing for any mosquito bites is a cream called 'Systral', if I have a lump growing from a bite a cover it with this stuff and it disappears within 20-30 minutes, I've never seen anything work so effectively and quickly.

 

ryanhull Silver Member

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I find the best thing for any mosquito bites is a cream called 'Systral', if I have a lump growing from a bite a cover it with this stuff and it disappears within 20-30 minutes, I've never seen anything work so effectively and quickly.

 

The thing is I am not sure if it is a mozzie bite, I have put some 'zam-buk' balm onit, but really it does not hurt anyway, seems a bit odd for a mozzie bite, I would not like to loose my hand you see, especially not my right one as it comes in 'handy', anyway this is 24 hours later so just a bit confused. I think I should be going to see the docs but thinking I might be going for nothing if it is a mozzie bite. cheers

katana Platinum Member

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Best get to a doctor or hospital ASAP it could be Lyme disease.

 

If that's the case the longer you leave it the greater your chance of paralysis, encephalitis, meningitis etc...

 

From a mosquito bite?
 

rhythmworx Gold Member

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Best get to a doctor or hospital ASAP it could be Lyme disease.

 

If that's the case the longer you leave it the greater your chance of paralysis, encephalitis, meningitis etc...

 

From a mosquito bite?
 

 

 Could be a tick bite, there's nothing to suggest it isn't possible.

Kitsune Platinum Member

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Best get to a doctor or hospital ASAP it could be Lyme disease.

 

If that's the case the longer you leave it the greater your chance of paralysis, encephalitis, meningitis etc...

 

From a mosquito bite?
 

 

 

Lyme is transmitted by ticks, mosquitoes,gnats, flies, spiders, or just about any insect.

1/ Don't bother with doctors here, they have no clues about it, since it officially does not exists, they won't give you the right treatment.

2/ It is NOT TOO LATE to get help, you have a few weeks before the bacteria settles in, but the more you wait the longer your treatment will be and the less chance you have to get rid of it.

3/ Contact www.tbdalliance.org ASAP and get a LLMD on the phone to talk to you for which abx treatment is suitable.

katana Platinum Member

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Best get to a doctor or hospital ASAP it could be Lyme disease.

 

If that's the case the longer you leave it the greater your chance of paralysis, encephalitis, meningitis etc...

 

From a mosquito bite?
 

 

 

Lyme is transmitted by ticks, mosquitoes,gnats, flies, spiders, or just about any insect.

1/ Don't bother with doctors here, they have no clues about it, since it officially does not exists, they won't give you the right treatment.

2/ It is NOT TOO LATE to get help, you have a few weeks before the bacteria settles in, but the more you wait the longer your treatment will be and the less chance you have to get rid of it.

3/ Contact www.tbdalliance.org ASAP and get a LLMD on the phone to talk to you for which abx treatment is suitable.

 

...There is no credible evidence that Lyme disease can be transmitted through ... the bites of mosquitoes, flies, fleas, or lice...
http://www.cdc.gov/lyme/transmission/

...Experiments attempting to transmit B. burgdorferi from infected to uninfected laboratory animals by mosquitoes have not been successful..
http://www.aldf.com/Misinformation_about_Lyme_Disease.shtml

 

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Boxclever Silver Member

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Is it itchy and keeps flaring up? If so it's a sand fly bite bite. Living on a farm connected to a river in Thailand I have had several of them, takes a month or two to completely heal, every 2 or 3 days becomes really itchy and sore. Definitely sand fly I'd say.
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Is it itchy and keeps flaring up? If so it's a sand fly bite bite. Living on a farm connected to a river in Thailand I have had several of them, takes a month or two to completely heal, every 2 or 3 days becomes really itchy and sore. Definitely sand fly I'd say.

 

from the look at the picture OP provided I would tend to agree ... although not sure about the bruised part....

 

I find sand flies particularly bad at this time of year .... and as said can take weeks or months to heal properly... no Google searches seem to come up with a good solution to get rid of them, either... sad.png

Kitsune Platinum Member

Kitsune

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Best get to a doctor or hospital ASAP it could be Lyme disease.

 

If that's the case the longer you leave it the greater your chance of paralysis, encephalitis, meningitis etc...

 

From a mosquito bite?
 

 

 

Lyme is transmitted by ticks, mosquitoes,gnats, flies, spiders, or just about any insect.

1/ Don't bother with doctors here, they have no clues about it, since it officially does not exists, they won't give you the right treatment.

2/ It is NOT TOO LATE to get help, you have a few weeks before the bacteria settles in, but the more you wait the longer your treatment will be and the less chance you have to get rid of it.

3/ Contact www.tbdalliance.org ASAP and get a LLMD on the phone to talk to you for which abx treatment is suitable.

 

...There is no credible evidence that Lyme disease can be transmitted through ... the bites of mosquitoes, flies, fleas, or lice...
http://www.cdc.gov/lyme/transmission/

...Experiments attempting to transmit B. burgdorferi from infected to uninfected laboratory animals by mosquitoes have not been successful..
http://www.aldf.com/Misinformation_about_Lyme_Disease.shtml

 

 

 

If you believe the CDC chronic lyme  disease does not exists.

So I don't have it, we and the thousands of sick people dying in in the world are all crazy/depressed people.

Get educated before answering.

Lyme is transmitted by most insects not just ticks.
 

Kitsune Platinum Member

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Fact 1: Bites of Ticks and Other Arthropods

Lyme disease can be transmitted to humans by the bite of an infected tick. It can also be transmitted via sand fleas, mosquitoes, fleas and other arthropods. A complete list of arthropods can be found here. In clinical cases of  Lyme Disease, biting flies, mosquito’s and mites are suggested to have been responsible for the infection. Borrelia has been found in: numerous species of mites, fleas, biting flies, ie: bot flies, deer flies, horse flies and mosquito’s, indicating that these insects are capable of maintaining the bacteria within the environment and are potential vectors.

katana Platinum Member

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If you believe the CDC chronic lyme  disease does not exists.

So I don't have it, we and the thousands of sick people dying in in the world are all crazy/depressed people.

Get educated before answering.

Lyme is transmitted by most insects not just ticks.
 

 

The CDC link does mention chronic symptoms of the disease. Maybe you should get educated. See http://www.cdc.gov/lyme/postLDS/index.html.
All the links I found mention ticks as the main vector. Even the tbdalliance.org link you gave, only mentions ticks as the vector http://www.tbdalliance.org/get-informed/start-preventing. The name of the website, 'Tick-Borne Disease Alliance', might tell you something.
There are a few websites that mention the possibility of other extremely rare routes of transmission, however, these routes are estimated at less than 1%.
Therefore, with all due respect, I would tend to believe the CDC and other reputable medical sites over an anonymous poster such as yourself on the internet. However, if it makes you happy to believe your Lyme infection was caused by a mosquito bite (and by the way, sorry to hear you had/have it), that's good for you and you're welcome to do so.

Kitsune Platinum Member

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I'm sorry to have been a little abrupt but Lyme is a very complicated disease with a political issue.

If you read the bit about Chronic disease on cdc they call it post Lyme Syndrome

 

In some cases, these can last for more than 6 months. Although often called "chronic Lyme disease," this condition is properly known as "Post-treatment Lyme Disease Syndrome" (PTLDS).

 

Which makes all the difference and allows health insurance companies to deny refund to their patients.

 

For the moment every country except Germany has followed the American board advice and refuses to treat thousands of very sick and dying patients. This is why CDC literature is not a reliable source of info. For better information you should watch the movie: Under our skin

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JgR_Jfbhv8

 

 

It explains how the American Board was infiltrated by insurance companies to say that there is no such thing as Chronic Lyme disease.

I know most websites only mention ticks as a vector to just make the message clearer as it is a complicated disease, but ticks are just one of many vectors.

http://www.stopthelymelies.com/lyme-disease-101/transmission-controversies

 

Anyway, in doubt I definitely think the OP should get treatment asap. A few weeks of antibiotics even as prevention, is nothing compared to what he might be facing.

 

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Sheryl Star Member

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Please stay on topic. Nothing the OP says suggests Lyme Disease. He is complaining of redness at the site of a probable insect bite just 24 hours after it happened.

 

Sand fly is a good guess. Spiders are always possible too.

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cooked Platinum Member

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Lyme disease is rare in Thailand and especially southern Thailand and is usually transmitted by the deer tick, which I haven't seen in Thailand yet. We have no reason to think that the guy has Lyme disease, so I wonder why some posters are now assuming that he has. If you check the symptoms, a rash or 'bruise' like this appears only after a few days.

I have occasionally been bitten by ticks as has my wife who seems to attract them. One time the spot was slightly inflamed and itched for months but nothing like this.

Anyway, like the other poster, I go for sand fly, maybe a spider, some of the images on Google look very similar.,

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Kitsune Platinum Member

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Lyme disease is rare in Thailand and especially southern Thailand and is usually transmitted by the deer tick, which I haven't seen in Thailand yet. We have no reason to think that the guy has Lyme disease, so I wonder why some posters are now assuming that he has. If you check the symptoms, a rash or 'bruise' like this appears only after a few days.

I have occasionally been bitten by ticks as has my wife who seems to attract them. One time the spot was slightly inflamed and itched for months but nothing like this.

Anyway, like the other poster, I go for sand fly, maybe a spider, some of the images on Google look very similar.,

 

I am not assuming anything.

 

I am just saying that, given the risks involved, it would be very silly indeed to omit Lyme and not take abx as prevention.

 

 

1/ Lyme disease is " rare" in Thailand.

 

Not correct: The official stand point of Chula's head of Infectious Disease Department is that it simply "does not exist" in Thailand.

In reality Borrelia is everywhere, on every continent of the earth except Antartica.

http://www.lymedisease.org.au/about-lyme-disease/about-ticks/

 

- Why is it "rare"? Because it's just incredibly difficult to diagnose and most patients are just misdiagnosed.

 

--> It's misdiagnosed: It's called "the great imitator" so in 99% of doctors  misdiagnose it as MS, Lupus, Alzheimer, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia,depression, anxiety, etc. It looks very much like all these diseases, so misdiagnosis are common all over the world.

As for here the official stand being it "does not exist", no doctor will go against the Official Thai Medical Board and give you such a diagnostic.

 

--> If you are very lucky to have been educated about Lyme, and don't believe your doctor is giving you the correct treatment/diagnostic and want to try to get tested, you need to

 

    a/ convince your doctor to get tested and order the test, it's not easy since, remember, it does not "exist" here.

    b/ Manage to test positive to a test on 3 strains of Borrelia out of 300 existing worldwide, that's 1/100 ratio, 1% chance. The 297 other strains are just not tested. But being in Asia one of the 3 strains tested on the US imported test  (Borrelia burgdorferi) is just not present here, so you are only really tested on 2 (B. garinii and Borrelia Afzellii),so the ratio drops at 2 out of 299 possible,.

    c/ In US 50% of Lyme infected patient get a negative test, just because the test are not sensitive enough. So, once you are tested on the right strain (2 out of 299) you still have 50% of getting a negative result even if infected. In Europe, some German labs excepted,it's worse (60%-70%).

So odds are dropping to 1 out of 299.

 http://www.ilads.org/lyme/lyme-tips.php#sthash.B8xV0pdM.dpuf

   d/ Finally even if you are lucky enough to get a positive result out of 299 odds, you need luck to have a doctor not telling them a positive result "doesn't mean anything" like it has been said here by Thai infectious disease specialist, since it "does not exist in Thailand" and again it would be going against Medical Board.

   e/ Even having being diagnosed, you won't get the correct treatment here as "it does not exist' and obviously no training is given to doctors, they won't know how to help you, so chances are they would again say it's something else.

Chronic Lyme disease is called the "great imitator" because it is often misdiagnosed as another condition such as Multiple Sclerosis, Fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, or anxiety. Misdiagnosis is a common experience for patients with chronic Lyme disease. - See more at: http://www.ilads.org/lyme/lyme-tips.php#sthash.69dvxIwj.dpuf
Chronic Lyme disease is called the "great imitator" because it is often misdiagnosed as another condition such as Multiple Sclerosis, Fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, or anxiety. Misdiagnosis is a common experience for patients with chronic Lyme disease. - See more at: http://www.ilads.org/lyme/lyme-tips.php#sthash.69dvxIwj.dpuf

 

So this is why it is "rare" indeed.

 

- In reality it's like anywhere, it's an epidemic

"Forget just about everything you think you know about Lyme disease.

It is not a rare disease, it is epidemic. It is not just tick-borne; it can also be transmitted by other insects, including fleas, mosquitoes and mites -- and by human-to-human contact. "

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2001/07/25/lyme-disease-part-two.aspx

 

Here rich Thai people fly to the BCA in Ausburg Germany to get access to adequate treatment. They pay flights, hotels, expensive medical bills for a couple of weeks, German interpreters and they get treated.The rest of the 99% of poor/uneducated patients get told they are faking it/ are crazy/depressed/stupid or have other ailments.

http://www.b-c-a.de/index.php?id=85&L=1

 

2/ "Lyme disease is usually transmitted by the deer tick, which I haven't seen in Thailand yet"

Indeed ! Not many deers in Thailand I grant you this, lol.

You are reading from American websites, for American, with American animals as reservoirs, American insects as vectors, and American strains of Borrelias.

Here in Thailand, like in South East Asia, Borrelia is indeed found, but the strains, the reservoirs and the vectors are totally different.

Ticks are not the main vectors, gnats and fleas are, and obviously deers are not the bacteria reservoirs, but bats and any hot blooded animals,and as previously said, burgdorferiis is not found here but Garinii and afzellii amongs many others, are found here.

 

 People from Asia who come to me with the classic Lyme rash have been infected by fleas and gnats."

Dr. Tang adds other avenues of infection: "Transmission may also occur via blood transfusion and through the bite of mosquitoes or other insects."

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2001/07/25/lyme-disease-part-two.aspx

Kitsune Platinum Member

Kitsune

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Recognizing the Rash

If you are bitten by a tick, a small red bump may appear in a few days to a week, usually at the site of the bite — often in the groin, belt area or behind the knee. This bump may feel warm and tender when touched. If this tick bite has transmitted Lyme disease the redness may expand over the next weeks and form a round or oval red rash, usually bigger than 5 centimeters in size. It may resemble the classic bull's eye, with a red ring surrounding a clear area and a red center. More often the rash lesion is uniformly red or reddish-blue, is minimally tender and minimally itchy (much less itchy than poison ivy). This rash, called erythema migrans, is a hallmark of Lyme disease and appears in about 70-80% of infected people.

http://www.lymemd.org/learn-about-lyme.html

 

wilcopops Platinum Member

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Firstly, if you are concerned GO SEE A DOCTOR - it'll cost about 500 baht and will put your mind at rest.

 

In the mean time, try and put things in perspective........

 

Spider is unlikely as there are so few that can even penetrate the skin. If you can find 2 little holes in the centre, then it might be a possibility.

Many insect bites can cause bruising....Mozzie included.    there's also ticks, bedbugs  (usually a rash) ants, and the 300 or so species of "sandfly" - which BTW don't necessarily live near sand. There are various other arthropods that can give a nasty bite - If it was a centipede, you'd already be going to the doctor!

 

Ticks and Lyme disease - now this is the fashionable hysteria of the moment the post above is LOADED with questionable assertions - I think the poster has even failed to differentiate between Lyme disease and "Chronic Lyme Disease which as yet is not scientifically recognised to the point that it probably doesn't even exist.

This is what the Lancet had to say about the current bruohaha over Lyme Disease.

 

For a start just screaming about one particular (unlikely) disease is extremely unhelpful.....

 

"A 2011 article in The Lancet exposed LLMDs for scientific misconduct, fraud, disciplinary actions, use of unvalidated laboratory tests, and other unethical activities. It also showed how activists have diverted attention away from evidence-based medicine and it expressed concern that their activities will endanger the public’s health unless responsible parties firmly stand up for an evidence-based approach. A 2011 article in The Lancet exposed LLMDs for scientific misconduct, fraud, disciplinary actions, use of unvalidated laboratory tests, and other unethical activities. It also showed how activists have diverted attention away from evidence-based medicine and it expressed concern that their activities will endanger the public’s health unless responsible parties firmly stand up for an evidence-based approach."

 

 

Here are some tips on bites gleaned from the net.

 

 

Instructions
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      Look for tiny red or white puncture marks in the center of your bruise. If a spider bit you, there will be a pair of puncture marks. A single puncture mark can be made by a mosquito, bed bug or tick. Insect bites with bruising typically do not develop a red, raised, irritated and itchy lump around the bite.

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      Inspect the color of your skin around the bite. Is it purple, red and yellowish or is it magenta or bright red? If your skin is a magenta or bright red bulls-eye or target shape, you have been bit by a tick and may have Lyme disease, which is a serious condition that needs to be treated with medication prescribed by a doctor. If the surrounding area of the bite is more muted pinkish-red color that looks like a weal or oval shaped rash, it is not an insect bite with bruising, but a bed bug or mosquito bite. Bed bug bites are very painful. Mosquito bites irritate the skin and make it itchy.

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      Inspect your skin where you have located the insect bite to determine if it has caused bruising. An insect bite with bruising will have a ring of normal colored skin around the bite surrounded by a larger ring-shaped bruise that is radiating out from it. The bruised area around the insect bite will be 1-inch or wider in diameter and will look like a donut.

 

Sheryl Star Member

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No one is screaming.

Just presenting the OP with the option to avoid easily a seriously debilitating disease.

 

 

Advising a person with no indications of Lyme Disease, and living in an area of low transmission, to self-treat with prophylactic antibiotics is highly irresponsible.

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Eddy B Silver Member

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Treat it the best you can with anti-septic creams or solutions and go and see the doctor. The bruising looks like blood leaking out from your vein under the skin.

 

cooked Platinum Member

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I'm sorry to have been a little abrupt but Lyme is a very complicated disease with a political issue.

If you read the bit about Chronic disease on cdc they call it post Lyme Syndrome

 

In some cases, these can last for more than 6 months. Although often called "chronic Lyme disease," this condition is properly known as "Post-treatment Lyme Disease Syndrome" (PTLDS).

 

Which makes all the difference and allows health insurance companies to deny refund to their patients.

 

For the moment every country except Germany has followed the American board advice and refuses to treat thousands of very sick and dying patients. This is why CDC literature is not a reliable source of info. For better information you should watch the movie: Under our skin

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JgR_Jfbhv8

 

 

It explains how the American Board was infiltrated by insurance companies to say that there is no such thing as Chronic Lyme disease.

I know most websites only mention ticks as a vector to just make the message clearer as it is a complicated disease, but ticks are just one of many vectors.

http://www.stopthelymelies.com/lyme-disease-101/transmission-controversies

 

Anyway, in doubt I definitely think the OP should get treatment asap. A few weeks of antibiotics even as prevention, is nothing compared to what he might be facing.

 

I hate to say this... looks like you are right, I thought that this was just conspiracy stuff.


 

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