No Visa options for the ones who are young and have money?

[sustento]

Thailand has a GDP of 360+ Billion baht a year. The economy will fall to its knees when the OP takes his million baht away with him    

[Time Traveller]

 

What is Thailand Elite Program?

THB 500k, stay 5 year visa, no problem...you said you have money so no problem ? yes

 

Instead of throwing away money on the status symbol of the stupid. Why not just apply for investor visa/extension of stay.

10 million baht in condo or state issued bonds (or I think bank fized deposit or combo of each). At least you'll have your money when you're ready to leave the country and can earn some income in the meantime. 

Complaining on a forum about "having money" but no visa options is ridiculous. It's right here already - cough up the money or shut up.

Edited August 8, 2014 by Time Traveller

[AYJAYDEE]

 

If I promised to spend 30,000 dollars a year  in your home country, would they let me stay as long as i liked?

That's more than 5 times the average annual wage in Thailand.

The main reason western countries restrict immigration, is because some people leech off the system. They want welfare, free housing, free medical etc.

People who are able to spend 5 times the annual average salary without working, just bringing the money in the country, while taking zero benefits, are generally welcome with open arms. If you can prove you have cash and won't be a burden you can get a visa.

 

nonsense. tell me what  western country will let me live full time if i spend 5 times the annual salary?

[manarak]

Maybe I should read in details.

 

 

Best of your ideas ever.

You should read everything in detail before posting misinformation.

[gerry1011]

 I find myself quite comfortable in this "unfair world", and don't mind paying "60 times" more for a product that you see as "the same thing" as your retirement visa.

It's a question of perspective and financial comfort.

If your option suits you, very good.
I am sure you don't mind if my and 2799 other members' option is equally suitable for our lifestyle.

As long as you are happy in Thailand, it is the most important !
You are happy, right? Good




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I'm not 50 so obviously I'm not on retirement visa.
 
no actually I'm pissed off,I might get denied on my return to Thailand because some immigration officer might think I'm working in Thailand. If I get denied I'll just go somewhere else until I can come back on a tourist visa, no way I'm paying 50 times more for an inferior visa

If you're not 50 and not on a retirement visa... Why did you compare the Thailand Elite program with a retirement visa?

I am not 50 either by the way... But with my Thailand Elite PE visa I don't have your worries... and I don't have to stay away till an immigration officer allows me to enter. What a strange way of doing (and thinking) you have...

And "you're not paying 50 times more (it was 60 in your previous post) for an inferior visa"... Which visa are you talking about? Your tourist visa? Or a retirement visa again? I don't follow...



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[yoslim]

 

If you're not 50 and not on a retirement visa... Why did you compare the Thailand Elite program with a retirement visa?

I am not 50 either by the way... But with my Thailand Elite PE visa I don't have your worries... and I don't have to stay away till an immigration officer allows me to enter. What a strange way of doing (and thinking) you have...

And "you're not paying 50 times more (it was 60 in your previous post) for an inferior visa"... Which visa are you talking about? Your tourist visa? Or a retirement visa again? I don't follow...

 

 

Maybe you're fine with overpaying, I just think it's plain unfair I have to pay so much more money for a visa because I'm not 50 yet or don't have a Thai wife. Anyways pointless argument, as I said I'd be fine with buying the card at the terms you got in (1mil for lifetime). As always in Thailand easy to bring your money in, way harder to take it out.

[AYJAYDEE]

 

 

If you're not 50 and not on a retirement visa... Why did you compare the Thailand Elite program with a retirement visa?

I am not 50 either by the way... But with my Thailand Elite PE visa I don't have your worries... and I don't have to stay away till an immigration officer allows me to enter. What a strange way of doing (and thinking) you have...

And "you're not paying 50 times more (it was 60 in your previous post) for an inferior visa"... Which visa are you talking about? Your tourist visa? Or a retirement visa again? I don't follow...

 

 

Maybe you're fine with overpaying, I just think it's plain unfair I have to pay so much more money for a visa because I'm not 50 yet or don't have a Thai wife. Anyways pointless argument, as I said I'd be fine with buying the card at the terms you got in (1mil for lifetime). As always in Thailand easy to bring your money in, way harder to take it out.

 

many countries allow people that marry locals to have special privileges.

Edited August 8, 2014 by AYJAYDEE

[nicolas18]

 

If you're not 50 and not on a retirement visa... Why did you compare the Thailand Elite program with a retirement visa?

I am not 50 either by the way... But with my Thailand Elite PE visa I don't have your worries... and I don't have to stay away till an immigration officer allows me to enter. What a strange way of doing (and thinking) you have...

And "you're not paying 50 times more (it was 60 in your previous post) for an inferior visa"... Which visa are you talking about? Your tourist visa? Or a retirement visa again? I don't follow...



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If you're OK with spending 100K/year just for the privilege of spending your money in a developing country, sure, buddy, go for it.

[Gringogazzer]

If I promised to spend 30,000 dollars a year  in your home country, would they let me stay as long as i liked?

If you give me $30,000 a year I'll let you live in my home country as long as you like. I'll also throw in a second hand bridge that spans the River Thames to do with as you please. I prefer cash.
The OP sounds like a spoilt child screaming because he's not getting enough attention or told how special he is.
There are a wealth of options for someone under 50 & with CASH to stay if they want. But the OP hasn't looked how viable any are & just spat his dummy out.
Spend ฿1000,000 annually living it up while letting the woman you love trundle off to work for ฿8500 a month.
Doesn't ring true, I think your on a budget with limited options & rugs been pulled from under your feet.
Not jealous, still in my 30's but manage to nogotiate immigration laws.

[nicolas18]

In his own little mind, he's Khun Big Time, spending a whole million baht every year (which probably means something closer to Baht 500,000 or less than most real retirees). 

 

Errrm, most of the real retirees I see in Thailand are actually cheap Charlies who would spend an entire afternoon trying to find the bar selling the cheapest beers.

[AYJAYDEE]

 

In his own little mind, he's Khun Big Time, spending a whole million baht every year (which probably means something closer to Baht 500,000 or less than most real retirees). 

 

Errrm, most of the real retirees I see in Thailand are actually cheap Charlies who would spend an entire afternoon trying to find the bar selling the cheapest beers.

 

thats because you never get out into the countryside to see where most of the retirees live 

Edited August 8, 2014 by AYJAYDEE

[yoslim]

 

 

In his own little mind, he's Khun Big Time, spending a whole million baht every year (which probably means something closer to Baht 500,000 or less than most real retirees). 

 

Errrm, most of the real retirees I see in Thailand are actually cheap Charlies who would spend an entire afternoon trying to find the bar selling the cheapest beers.

 

thats because you never get out into the countryside to see where most of the retirees live 

 

They even look more broke in the countryside, usually already have dementia and live in an unfinished "house"

[AYJAYDEE]

 

 

 

In his own little mind, he's Khun Big Time, spending a whole million baht every year (which probably means something closer to Baht 500,000 or less than most real retirees). 

 

Errrm, most of the real retirees I see in Thailand are actually cheap Charlies who would spend an entire afternoon trying to find the bar selling the cheapest beers.

 

thats because you never get out into the countryside to see where most of the retirees live 

 

They even look more broke in the countryside, usually already have dementia and live in an unfinished "house"

 

i can see you havent either

[TheSpade]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No its not, many foreigners work in Thailand fully legal

 

 

 

 

 

 

Surely only people who can't find work anywhere else?

 

 

Leave the Bar Girl Scene and find a good woman ... if one will have you.  Job Done

 

 

Why would a guy who's young, mobile, and global want to settle down with a girl in Thailand?

 

And none of the young digital nomads I know go anywhere near the bar girl scene.

 

The old fellas however....they all seem to be regulars.

 

 

It's happy hour now. That's the only time they can afford a beer. They will be back 8 pm when the normal prices start

 

 

I don't know any Digi Nomads who go balloon or happy hour chasing...the old fellas though are regulars whenever there's a discount to be had.

 

 

 

Thailand doesn't want young foreigners with money, because some people would slip through the cracks and work illegally as English teachers or tour guides in their native European language or some other similar job that most Thai people are 100% qualified to do if not for these dastardly foreigners.

They prefer lots of elderly Pattaya sexpats on retirement visas instead. That is how you maintain a positive image in the eyes of the world.

 

 

Spot on. 

 

Thailand would do well to chuck out all the old sex pats and let the young boys in. Might do their reputation some good. 

 

I don't know any young guys knocking about with bar girls.

[JLCrab]

Were you employed in the USA by any US entity (For an O-A Visa) ?

 

 

Sure I had an US sponsor, there is no other way around. 

 

The Instructions for the I-129 application for O-1A Visa for  'extraordinary ability' only mentions one's employer -- there is no reference to any sponsor. However, that aside, if you had an employer or sponsor in Thailand right now as required for the 'extraordinary ability' visa you are suggesting that Thailand inaugurate modeled on the US program, you wouldn't have a visa/extension problem currently.

 

NB post #18

Edited August 8, 2014 by JLCrab

[iphad]

The OP thread is " No Visa Options for the ones who are young and have money?"...well there are options.

They might not be great options but it's not like Thailand has decided to persecute the young wealthy people just as Thailand is not picking on the old with no money.

It's been suggested that if one is not sympathetic with the OP that one is jealous of his lifestyle.

Personally I wish he could have an easy option...I have never taken the ED Visa option..but sounds like a relatively easy process & many go this route & to pass is ..as expected easy also.

But unfortunately. Thailand gets to decide what the rules are...and if you want to live in Thailand on your criteria not Thai Immigration then yeah you might not have any options.

I am more sympathetic to those foreigners that have a Thai family..married with children...& they don't have money.

But in the end it doesn't matter what I think...or what they do in my country...

Thailand decides & one has to figure how best to navigate the process in order to live here.

Luckily the OP is wealthy & young so he has many options...but they might not include Thailand.

 

[Christie Paul]

I know a dozen or so young to middle aged progressive people, who generally speaking, are an asset to any country or place they inhabit. An asset because they are driven to create, to build, to develop things and ideas. The rules and regulations here, have and are forcing them to move on. And there are no shortages of places for them to go.  

 

I also know several well traveled moderately wealthy folks who have looked at Thailand as an additional residential bolt hold. They still visit occasionally and they love it. But for them, what's on offer doesn't compare favourably with too many other places. The place has its charms, but the cheap/tacky ratio is too narrow. Investment is insecure. And the tendency toward an authoratarian and harshly prejudicial approach toward foreigners and their capital is something they would prefer to avoid. They also have calculators, maps and are too well traveled to enticed by the Elite Card. 

 

As for the very wealthy, Thailand is not on their radar at all. The Gulfstream's parked at Don Meung are mostly owned by Thais who also prefer the South of France. 

 

It has occurred to me, that not much thought has been put into the policies of dealing with the international traveler, business person, entrepreneur, investor or retiree.

 

Who has provided the philosophical model upon which the rules are predicated - Robert Mugabe, perhaps? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[AYJAYDEE]

I know a dozen or so young to middle aged progressive people, who generally speaking, are an asset to any country or place they inhabit. An asset because they are driven to create, to build, to develop things and ideas. The rules and regulations here, have and are forcing them to move on. And there are no shortages of places for them to go.  

 

I also know several well traveled moderately wealthy folks who have looked at Thailand as an additional residential bolt hold. They still visit occasionally and they love it. But for them, what's on offer doesn't compare favourably with too many other places. The place has its charms, but the cheap/tacky ratio is too narrow. Investment is insecure. And the tendency toward an authoratarian and harshly prejudicial approach toward foreigners and their capital is something they would prefer to avoid. They also have calculators, maps and are too well traveled to enticed by the Elite Card. 

 

As for the very wealthy, Thailand is not on their radar at all. The Gulfstream's parked at Don Meung are mostly owned by Thais who also prefer the South of France. 

 

It has occurred to me, that not much thought has been put into the policies of dealing with the international traveler, business person, entrepreneur, investor or retiree.

 

Who has provided the philosophical model upon which the rules are predicated - Robert Mugabe, perhaps? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

how does your home country attract all these assets?

[chiang mai]

 

In his own little mind, he's Khun Big Time, spending a whole million baht every year (which probably means something closer to Baht 500,000 or less than most real retirees). 

 

Errrm, most of the real retirees I see in Thailand are actually cheap Charlies who would spend an entire afternoon trying to find the bar selling the cheapest beers.

 

 

Well I spend between one and one point five million baht every year here and I have done so for the past eleven years, Every four years or so I blow around one point two million on a new vehicle plus I've spent around ten million baht on property, around one million on medical expenses and about one million on university fees. I've never worked since I moved here in 2004 and the last time I saw the inside of a bar was the following year, in fact, the last time I drank alcohol was in 2006 - my Thai wife and I are getting ready to celebrate ten years together. Of all the farang friends we know here, most of them seem to fit a similar profile to me.

 

So why have I bothered to tell you all of this, just to upset you? Of course not, it's just that some folks out there, like you, seems to have this model in their minds of what the average retiree here looks like and I can't relate to it. But I suppose if a person were to spend enough time trawling the bars you could find people who fit that model, doubtless they exist in Pattaya in greater numbers but I see them only as an exception here, rather than the rule.

 

EDIT TO ADD: and actually you know, that stereotype of the expat retiree is just as incorrect as the stereotype of the Thai female, you know the one, she's a bar girl and money grubbing etc. I reckon that some people adopt those stereotypes in their minds because it's too hard to work it all out in their own minds, either that or the extent of their world in Thailand is the Pattaya bar scene, either way they do themselves a great disservice..

Edited August 9, 2014 by chiang mai

[JLCrab]

I agree -- there should be a special visa for people-you-know.

[CiaranO]

The op claims to have money but he mentions he has 60000 thb per month. He isn't swimming in it by any means. He couldn't survive on that on many European countries which is why he chose Thailand because it's relatively cheap to live in.

The immigration rules have changeable and tightened up and he is like a spoilt little child having a temper tantrum.






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[Christie Paul]

 

I know a dozen or so young to middle aged progressive people, who generally speaking, are an asset to any country or place they inhabit. An asset because they are driven to create, to build, to develop things and ideas. The rules and regulations here, have and are forcing them to move on. And there are no shortages of places for them to go.  

 

I also know several well traveled moderately wealthy folks who have looked at Thailand as an additional residential bolt hold. They still visit occasionally and they love it. But for them, what's on offer doesn't compare favourably with too many other places. The place has its charms, but the cheap/tacky ratio is too narrow. Investment is insecure. And the tendency toward an authoratarian and harshly prejudicial approach toward foreigners and their capital is something they would prefer to avoid. They also have calculators, maps and are too well traveled to enticed by the Elite Card. 

 

As for the very wealthy, Thailand is not on their radar at all. The Gulfstream's parked at Don Meung are mostly owned by Thais who also prefer the South of France. 

 

It has occurred to me, that not much thought has been put into the policies of dealing with the international traveler, business person, entrepreneur, investor or retiree.

 

Who has provided the philosophical model upon which the rules are predicated - Robert Mugabe, perhaps? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

how does your home country attract all these assets?

 

 

It does try. Rule of law. Foreign ownership of land. Special arrangements for those who they think can contribute. And they do manage to attract the very well heeled to some degree.

 

But onerous bureaucracy, high taxation and the development of a business/government oligarchy has meant that it looses a huge number of its most talented and productive folk. I think they are aware of this - but it hasn't yet reached the threshold of concern around the cost/benefit of the present system.   

[AYJAYDEE]

 

 

I know a dozen or so young to middle aged progressive people, who generally speaking, are an asset to any country or place they inhabit. An asset because they are driven to create, to build, to develop things and ideas. The rules and regulations here, have and are forcing them to move on. And there are no shortages of places for them to go.  

 

I also know several well traveled moderately wealthy folks who have looked at Thailand as an additional residential bolt hold. They still visit occasionally and they love it. But for them, what's on offer doesn't compare favourably with too many other places. The place has its charms, but the cheap/tacky ratio is too narrow. Investment is insecure. And the tendency toward an authoratarian and harshly prejudicial approach toward foreigners and their capital is something they would prefer to avoid. They also have calculators, maps and are too well traveled to enticed by the Elite Card. 

 

As for the very wealthy, Thailand is not on their radar at all. The Gulfstream's parked at Don Meung are mostly owned by Thais who also prefer the South of France. 

 

It has occurred to me, that not much thought has been put into the policies of dealing with the international traveler, business person, entrepreneur, investor or retiree.

 

Who has provided the philosophical model upon which the rules are predicated - Robert Mugabe, perhaps? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

how does your home country attract all these assets?

 

 

It does try. Rule of law. Foreign ownership of land. Special arrangements for those who they think can contribute. And they do manage to attract the very well heeled to some degree.

 

But onerous bureaucracy, high taxation and the development of a business/government oligarchy has meant that it looses a huge number of its most talented and productive folk. I think they are aware of this - but it hasn't yet reached the threshold of concern around the cost/benefit of the present system.   

 

so if I can contribute (whatever the hell that means) and  want to buy land I can get a visa that allows me to stay in your country permanently?

[JLCrab]

Just to note that after six years there is a new Police Order on extensions of stay in Thailand that does not implement any of the suggestions that several on here presume would be in the best interests of Thailand. Maybe in another six years Thai Officialdom will listen to such enlightened 'exceptional ability'-type persons who know better what is in Thailand's best interests and stop listening to Robert Mugabe.

Edited August 9, 2014 by JLCrab

[Christie Paul]

The OP thread is " No Visa Options for the ones who are young and have money?"...well there are options.

They might not be great options but it's not like Thailand has decided to persecute the young wealthy people just as Thailand is not picking on the old with no money.

It's been suggested that if one is not sympathetic with the OP that one is jealous of his lifestyle.

Personally I wish he could have an easy option...I have never taken the ED Visa option..but sounds like a relatively easy process & many go this route & to pass is ..as expected easy also.

But unfortunately. Thailand gets to decide what the rules are...and if you want to live in Thailand on your criteria not Thai Immigration then yeah you might not have any options.

I am more sympathetic to those foreigners that have a Thai family..married with children...& they don't have money.

But in the end it doesn't matter what I think...or what they do in my country...

Thailand decides & one has to figure how best to navigate the process in order to live here.

Luckily the OP is wealthy & young so he has many options...but they might not include Thailand.

 

 

I too am sympathetic towards this foreigners who struggle financially and who face such miserable obstacles to keeping their relationship with their Thai family.  

 

But there is another dimension to this. It demonstrates a certain official cruelty, a petty nastiness, that when combined with an authoritarian system, can send a shiver up the spine of even the well to do and raise a host of subtle questions.

 

Is my acceptance here pro rata, with my ability to pay? Is loyalty perceived as a weakness to be exploited? These are questions, we naturally ask of any host, but its the answers which guide us and ultimately determine the benefit which the host obtains as well. 

[AYJAYDEE]

 

The OP thread is " No Visa Options for the ones who are young and have money?"...well there are options.

They might not be great options but it's not like Thailand has decided to persecute the young wealthy people just as Thailand is not picking on the old with no money.

It's been suggested that if one is not sympathetic with the OP that one is jealous of his lifestyle.

Personally I wish he could have an easy option...I have never taken the ED Visa option..but sounds like a relatively easy process & many go this route & to pass is ..as expected easy also.

But unfortunately. Thailand gets to decide what the rules are...and if you want to live in Thailand on your criteria not Thai Immigration then yeah you might not have any options.

I am more sympathetic to those foreigners that have a Thai family..married with children...& they don't have money.

But in the end it doesn't matter what I think...or what they do in my country...

Thailand decides & one has to figure how best to navigate the process in order to live here.

Luckily the OP is wealthy & young so he has many options...but they might not include Thailand.

 

 

I too am sympathetic towards this foreigners who struggle financially and who face such miserable obstacles to keeping their relationship with their Thai family.  

 

But there is another dimension to this. It demonstrates a certain official cruelty, a petty nastiness, that when combined with an authoritarian system, can send a shiver up the spine of even the well to do and raise a host of subtle questions.

 

Is my acceptance here pro rata, with my ability to pay? Is loyalty perceived as a weakness to be exploited? These are questions, we naturally ask of any host, but its the answers which guide us and ultimately determine the benefit which the host obtains as well. 

 

I think youre far too sensitive to be an expat

[chiang mai]

There is absolutely no question at all, our existence here is determined by our ability to pay, even the youngest most visaless individual can avail him/herself of a some kind of visa, if they have enough money, it may take a BOI visa and ten million baht but it can be had. Ditto in any other country, with a million pounds invested, almost anyone can have a UK passport.

[Bernard Flint]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No its not, many foreigners work in Thailand fully legal

 

 

 

 

 

 

Surely only people who can't find work anywhere else?

 

 

Leave the Bar Girl Scene and find a good woman ... if one will have you.  Job Done

 

 

Why would a guy who's young, mobile, and global want to settle down with a girl in Thailand?

 

And none of the young digital nomads I know go anywhere near the bar girl scene.

 

The old fellas however....they all seem to be regulars.

 

 

It's happy hour now. That's the only time they can afford a beer. They will be back 8 pm when the normal prices start

 

 

I don't know any Digi Nomads who go balloon or happy hour chasing...the old fellas though are regulars whenever there's a discount to be had.

 

 

 

Thailand doesn't want young foreigners with money, because some people would slip through the cracks and work illegally as English teachers or tour guides in their native European language or some other similar job that most Thai people are 100% qualified to do if not for these dastardly foreigners.

They prefer lots of elderly Pattaya sexpats on retirement visas instead. That is how you maintain a positive image in the eyes of the world.

 

 

Spot on. 

 

Thailand would do well to chuck out all the old sex pats and let the young boys in. Might do their reputation some good. 

 

I don't know any young guys knocking about with bar girls.

 

 

Are you serious, i see the opposite, and wonder why young kids come here, and have to pay for sex,they are everywhere, lots more than 2 years ago.They are deluded too, think they can get for free, then have a big shock

[khunron13]

See ya!

[tinhead]

Spend THB 1,000,000 a year? That's below the poverty line in most western nations.