No Visa options for the ones who are young and have money?

[Tony125]

 

thanks for the friday funny. Quite enjoyed that.

 

 

The Thai language is the less useful language you will learn in your life, only spoken in some part of Thailand (Bangkok and Pattaya)

 

Samran, you Thai is far better than mine by a long stretch, so what languges do they speak outside BKK and Pattaya ?

 

Greek ? Serbo Croate ? Hindi, Cockney rhyming slang ?

 

I am confused, as although my thai isnt that good, every where I have travelled in Thailand outside of BKK, & Pattaya, pretty sure its of Thai being spoken   

 

How long have you been here?  My wife  speaks Thai (English and some Cantonese) she is from Bangkok when we went to Issan area I asked her why she was not talking to people at our table? Because they were all speaking Lao  (about 20 million people do in Thailand) Although those living in Thailand have to learn Thai many speak Khmer, Lao and other dialects.  Ask any of the bar girls from Issan most speak their own dialect that if you only learn Thai you will not understand them when they switch back to lao to talk behind your back

 

Edited August 9, 2014 by Tony125

[Eloelo]

Go easy on the OP...... clearly is a young fella who has little over inflated view of his contribution to this wonderful country. Its estimated that there is between 400 to 500,000 expats living here. Yes, these folk ( I'm one of em) spend their money here.
This chap seems to think that when all the folk not able to get a visa flee to other countries it will impact on the economy.
Give me a break. In 2013 there were 26million tourists that visited Thailand.
I think the economy will survive without your huge contribution of 1million baht a year. For heavens sake, grow up , pick the dummy up and nick off to somewhere else.
On a side note how long do you think US or Australia etc would give you a visa for.
Why do people feel they have an automatic right to live wherever they wish

on an interesting side note why shouldn't people be able to live where ever they want to live! obviously providing the place where they choose doesn't have to provide for them! we live in a global village. it is cheaper than ever to travel. We have a growing number of digital nomads. family in the west isn't what it used to be! we have a growing alliance on everything that is not local! have yet to hear an argument about opening up borders as opposed to closing them, and in the event that people worry about the bad guys getting in.the bad guys have been around longer than the good guys in most countries and it appears from the media the bad guys are the ones who are making all the laws! and as for contributions to the local economy blah blah blah .people have been migrating and moving since Jesus played fullback for Jerusalem. so as for personal freedoms in a global environment aren't we all going backwards. What next micro chipping!

[FritsSikkink]

And who is going to learn Thai with an ED visa? What is the incentive to do so? Understanding your Thai girlfriend? She speak Issean anyway!
Find a girlfriend who has been to school, they learn Thai there.

Find you a job in Thailand? You cannot find a job Thailand: it is illegal!
Yes, you can with the right visa and work permit

The Thai language is the less useful language you will learn in your life, only spoken in some part of Thailand (Bangkok and Pattaya)
Utter nonsense

If you have been here 4 years and know so little it is not surprising you can't find a job.

[mataleo]

Well no turists in Pattaya from what I see. Or very little...

[gerry1011]

Whether or not you fully agree with the OP, he is - however poorly - expressing some things that a of people are feeling, and which are adding up to matter.  And frankly, a lot more to Thailand, than most of you regulars here ever will. 
 
First. tourism is down 10.5% in the last 7 months.  That's a lot of money, and it does affect the Thai economy, much more than many of you want to admit.   It's also rapidly falling in world rankings in a lot of other important ways as well, over this year, including freedom of the press, and human rights issues.  As evidence for that, TAT is panicking now, and talking about making TR's free for Europeans, and are also walking back - as strongly as possible - the archaic and hostile views expressed over the last months.  While most of you have cheered for those things, the rest of the country has been hurting for it.
 
Second, the 'Elite Card' is ridiculous: it's way too expensive, unstable, and archaic.  It's not an answer to this issue.  Please stop using that as if it were some trump card to end the discussion.  Maybe a good option instead, would be to triple the financial requirements of a retirement visa?  Yeah, I thought not.
 

My understanding about the OP was that if you actually spend 1 million a year in Thailand, you obviously make much more.
I of course may be wrong, but smart young people are supposed to prepare their future with serious savings and making good money before to retire. This is why I personally think that such a person should be easily able to enroll in the Thailand Elite program and enjoy comfortable stays.

Concerning your second point, the Thailand Elite program has never been "designed" to counter the negative effects of political turmoil or military coups on tourism (your first point).

It has been designed over 10 years ago to attract wealthy visitors, keep them coming or staying with a convenient visa, and offer them privileges against a fee.

Unstable?
As a member since 10 years I really can't say so.

"Way too expensive"?
I believe it should be more expensive.
A card can be bought for the equivalent of a mere 8300b/month.
For financially comfortable people it is totally negligible.

But... when it comes to increasing the financial requirements for a retirement visa... I would agree with you. It would lift up the quality of the retirees a bit (like in Malaysia).


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[KhnomKhnom]

Is it trolls day? They seems to be out and in good shape.

 

What is Thailand Elite Program?

 

and btw the reason I am upset that I have to leave, is because I have a girlfriend I love, and she has a boy, we stay together 3 years but I will have to leave her behind. She makes 8500 baht / month working in a hotel in an Island, and it is a quite sad situation.

 

You should give me lots of your abundant money to manage for you because anyone really living here and has never heard of the Thailand Elite Card needs help.

Just flash you cash and buy this Card and live here happily......... as happily as a guy like you can.

 

Abandon your gf and her kid, you hate Thailand, you want to hurt it by taking your valuable self and your rich buddies out.........and you are really angry at Thailand... which you hate so much... which will not allow you to live here ???  Do you see the funny contradiction in that???

 

Just buy the Card and .........  I almost said, "Stay here."  But I take that back.

[samran]

thanks for the friday funny. Quite enjoyed that.
 

 
The Thai language is the less useful language you will learn in your life, only spoken in some part of Thailand (Bangkok and Pattaya)
 
Samran, you Thai is far better than mine by a long stretch, so what languges do they speak outside BKK and Pattaya ?
 
Greek ? Serbo Croate ? Hindi, Cockney rhyming slang ?
 
I am confused, as although my thai isnt that good, every where I have travelled in Thailand outside of BKK, & Pattaya, pretty sure its of Thai being spoken   

I think Urdu is what is used outside of these two places.

I lived in Southern Thailand for a year and must admit their dialect was impenetrable for me. So had to use standard Thai there, which everyone speaks.

Don't get to issan very often but I do get to Laos a bit and Thai serves me well there. They speak to me in Lao and I reply in Thai and we are all happy.

Suspect if I went to the deepest darkest corner of issan and spoke to someone 55+ that might be the way to do things, but everyone else just slips into standard Thai.

Can't do the same thing is Cambodian but there are commonalities, I just have to remember which crossover words to use when there so people understand my slightly evolved taxi Cambodian.




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[cyborgx]

Retirement visas will be next on the chopping block You know this because your sister-in-law's uncle is married to a cousin of the third in command at xyz district immigration's sub-office? (probably he meant retirement extensions but what-the-heck)

Yawn.... another one who just doesn't get it....

 

Retirement Visas are correctly being applied for and received by actual Retirees

Tourist Visas are in a lot of cases are being applied for by long term residents in Thailand who are unemployed or Illegally working here.

There is no "Lazy Ass" Visa, Nor any "I'm So Special" Visa. Neither is there an "I Teach English  with a Bad Accent without a Work Permit" Visa or an "I'm young and Horny" Visa. There certainly never was an "I Think I'm entitled to live anywhere in the World" Visa.

 

If you don't like living in your own country, blame your parents or your government.

If you want to live elsewhere, live by their rules.

 

If you don't like the enforcement of the rules, you have either been abusing the system for many years and are now being politely (and frankly very generously) given a chance to get your Visa in order, or you are new and lament the fact that you got here late and can no longer abuse the system the ways others have in the past.......

[JLCrab]

The italics was a quote of someone else. I've been on retirement extension for 7 years (no fixer involved) and before had multi-entry 'B' visa.

[Robert24]

agree with some of the points on the visa system in Thailand, especially the whole bureaucracy about papers etc, 90 day reporting and so. But having lived in different countries, to be honest there are always pros and cons about each country. For me on balance, Thailand still provides the best quality of life in Asia. I've lived in Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan and mainland China for a short while and travelled on business to the Philippines and Cambodia you highlight as well. Personally I prefer not to stay in the Philippines and not sure about life in Cambodia. Maybe Cambodia is equally as good as Thailand. 

 

Now with regards to visa for under 50 years old. There are options as people highlighted, the Elite card which sorts you out for 5 or 20 years depending on which one to buy. With regards to the ED visa, it is not limited to Thai language courses. Have you considered taking a course at a Thai university, or doing a Masters degree instead? There are plenty of options. 

 

Now about your comments about Thai language. I agree with the point about CV, it doesn't add that much value if you get a job elsewhere in Asia that you speak Thai. However I personally enjoy learning Thai because it is after all the language of the country I live in. And to be honest, many Thais still struggle speaking English, so it does make things a lot easier if you speak the local language. And you can use Thai also in Isan, the North and South. They will understand you for sure, the written language is the same. You may not understand a local conversation but you can definitely speak to them in Thai without any problems. 

 

Good luck to you. Let us know how life in the Philippines or Cambodia is.

 

 

 

 

[Tony125]

If you are young, have money, want to spend you time in Thailand and spend your money in Thailand:

Welcome to the Thailand Elite program

It's not free, of course. But since you and your friends have the money, go for it!!!


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As for all the older posters here  who are married or have retirement visa that tell the younger guys  "OH  want to stay in Thailand go get  2 million Baht or 500,000 baht Thai Visa Elite card" and yet they don't have to pay just have 400--800 thousand Thai baht in bank or 40--65 thousand baht income a month here is something to ponder------if this is such a good deal and with over 28 million tourists a year coming to Thailand  "How come they have only sold "41" cards as of July 14th 2014 ? Chek the link below

 

http://www.ttrweekly.com/site/2014/07/elite-card-sales-flop/

[cyborgx]

Whether or not you fully agree with the OP, he is - however poorly - expressing some things that a of people are feeling, and which are adding up to matter.  And frankly, a lot more to Thailand, than most of you regulars here ever will. 

 

First. tourism is down 10.5% in the last 7 months.  That's a lot of money, and it does affect the Thai economy, much more than many of you want to admit.   It's also rapidly falling in world rankings in a lot of other important ways as well, over this year, including freedom of the press, and human rights issues.  As evidence for that, TAT is panicking now, and talking about making TR's free for Europeans, and are also walking back - as strongly as possible - the archaic and hostile views expressed over the last months.  While most of you have cheered for those things, the rest of the country has been hurting for it.

 

Second, the 'Elite Card' is ridiculous: it's way too expensive, unstable, and archaic.  It's not an answer to this issue.  Please stop using that as if it were some trump card to end the discussion.  Maybe a good option instead, would be to triple the financial requirements of a retirement visa?  Yeah, I thought not.

 

 

Tourism being down is due to the political unrest and nothing to do with the recent crack down on Visa running which has only just been put in place. It will obviously also have an effect on tourism, but lets not get the 2 things confused. Also there is no relation of the crackdown to "freedom of the press and human rights issues" (although some non-thai posters do appear to think they have a right to live here).

 

Tourism obviously does have an effect on the Thai economy, but the extent seems to be rather small, and certainly the loss of the category of people we are talking about here have obviously been considered insignificant by the Thai government. Yes, I do think they actually consider these things both now and when the rules were initially set up. Actually the rules were already there, they are only actually enforcing them. 

 

The fact that you ridicule the Elite Card just goes to show that you don't really care about the options, you just want an option that suits you better than the ones that exist. The fact that others find the card fits their needs, you would have it removed as an option just to p!ss off the people who do use it, just because it's not a good fit for you! 

[duanebigsby]

 

Yes, I agree the ED visa is useless. Why would anybody living in Thailand actually want to learn Thai?

Sheesh.

 

so when they do retire here they speak the language.
 

 

Did I really need to write the word sarcasm?

[duanebigsby]

I don't think the OP is saying that he is RICH, neither am I nor are many other guys.  The point is, that some of us have enough money to live a basic and comfortable life and would like to do so in Thailand LEGALLY.

 

Yes, one could open a business, go to school, or just get married, each of which is just a work around...  The new regulations are to cut down on illegals and people overstaying, I think that having a new visa type would resolve this and allow people to stay within the country without breaking the law while letting the governemet make some additional $...

every country decides who they would like to let in and stay. Thailand has decided that they'd rather have retirees than under 50's with money or working online.

 

It's they way it is.

 

It's wrong for said retirees to make snide remarks about the under 50's, just as it is for under 50's to paint all the older folks as sex pats.

 

Google the rules for a Thai staying long term in your own country. Some pretty harsh requirements

 

It is what it is. You can wish and pray all you want for a new Visa category but it may, or may not, happen.

 

Calling the gov't stupid for not having that visa is childish.

Edited August 9, 2014 by duanebigsby

[Smurkster]

So for the Thai Elite program, its essentially 100,000 Baht/year? After that first 5 years you just pay again and get the same thing? 

 

 

[starkey_rich]

Leave the Bar Girl Scene and find a good woman ... if one will have you.  Job Done

 

Finding a good woman may be a bit of a problem.

[bangkoklasse]

For the young people that really have money, it's no problem living in Thailand. For all the ones that pretend they have a lot of money, it's more difficult

[dotpoom]

Is it trolls day? They seems to be out and in good shape.

 

What is Thailand Elite Program?

 

and btw the reason I am upset that I have to leave, is because I have a girlfriend I love, and she has a boy, we stay together 3 years but I will have to leave her behind. She makes 8500 baht / month working in a hotel in an Island, and it is a quite sad situation.

 

Should be no problem for you to double her income from what you write?

[Morakot]

I spend about 1 Million Baht / year in this country

 

 

Cheap skate!

[chiang mai]

 

I spend about 1 Million Baht / year in this country

 

 

Cheap skate!

 

 

...but I only stay for three weeks each year.

[dutchinlondon]

 

 

 

Anyway my point was that there is a missing Visa in Thailand, the equivalent of the "Exceptional Ability" Visa in the USA.

People who are successful in business, or have done something out of the ordinary should be able to come here to bring their brain and experience in this country (their money too).

But something that is not only based on old retired falang or people who are running a local business.

Do you feel that you would qualify for a USA National Interest Waiver?

 

 

I have stayed 4 years in Miami under a O-1 visa so I guess and can answer yes!

 

 

Specialist visas are available but the ones who are complaining aren't doing anything that a Thai can't do.

 

 

 

You know thai can do everything, just ask them. they won't disappoint you. the answer will be yes I can :)

[Tony125]

So for the Thai Elite program, its essentially 100,000 Baht/year? After that first 5 years you just pay again and get the same thing? 

 

 

It works out to 100,000 baht a year BUT you have to pay the 500,000 baht up front no pay as you go monthly or yearly payments. Reason is I am told is what if person stops paying , thats why they want it paid up front. Maybe good for someone with a business here they get limo pickups at the airport (up to 24) and help with getting work permits and business planning and discounts at hotels/resorts

 

 

http://www.thailandelite.com/downloadable_form_file/downloadable_form_file11.pdf  ----- Thailand Easy Axcess Card  500,000 Baht

 

 

http://www.thailandelite.com/glimpse.php      -----   Full info on Thai Elite Card  Full privliges 2 mill baht

Edited August 9, 2014 by Tony125

[Tchooptip]

Thailand has a GDP of 360+ Billion baht a year. The economy will fall to its knees when the OP takes his million baht away with him    

Please don't forget he is not alone, but have 2/3 friends who will take their one million Baht out of Thailand too  Pffff

[Morakot]

 

 

I spend about 1 Million Baht / year in this country

 

 

Cheap skate!

 

 

...but I only stay for three weeks each year.

 

 

In that case you shall be granted a visa exemption.

 

[nicolas18]

 

Thailand has a GDP of 360+ Billion baht a year. The economy will fall to its knees when the OP takes his million baht away with him    

Please don't forget he is not alone, but have 2/3 friends who will take their one million Baht out of Thailand too  Pffff

 

Well, if all young retirees and freelance workers do indeed leave for other countries, it will have a negative impact on certain sectors of the economy. On the other hand, if the old farts who spend their days (and nights) glued to barstools did, no one would notice the difference.

 

Talking about the grey hair brigade, I wonder whether those who constantly applaud the recent immigration "crackdown" would still feel the same way the day the Thai government decides it wants more "quality retirees" instead of sexpats and decides to increase the minimum income/money in the bank requirement for a retirement visa.

[ColdSingha]

 

Thailand has a GDP of 360+ Billion baht a year. The economy will fall to its knees when the OP takes his million baht away with him    

Please don't forget he is not alone, but have 2/3 friends who will take their one million Baht out of Thailand too  Pffff
 

Well, if all young retirees and freelance workers do indeed leave for other countries, it will have a negative impact on certain sectors of the economy. On the other hand, if the old farts who spend their days (and nights) glued to barstools did, no one would notice the difference.
 
Talking about the grey hair brigade, I wonder whether those who constantly applaud the recent immigration "crackdown" would still feel the same way the day the Thai government decides it wants more "quality retirees" instead of sexpats and decides to increase the minimum income/money in the bank requirement for a retirement visa.

plenty of rich oldies propping up bar stools :D

[JSixpack]

 

I have just read dozens of posts on this thread and it still sounds like jealous old farts who wish they could do what the OP can do ... 

 

How does it go with the old fart brigade -- Let's see ---  I've got mine for cheap and you young guys just go suck hind tit... (because the 'current' rules favor us and NOT YOU... na nana na na ... Such a mature attitude ... (pun intended)...

 

You seem to be on this rant of people being jealous of the OP & to do what he can do....

actually a few people suggested he look into the "elite " card if he has the money....

and since the OP didn't want an Ed visa to learn Thai..or other languages offered .. he didn't want that option.

he claimed he has money but then he went on about not being able to work..or open a bakery.

Anyone can say anything online..doesn't mean they are providing all the facts or being truthful.

Sounded like a whine session to me ..& basically I got the impression he had a low opinion of Thailand anyways.

 

He has options...but he sounded too arrogant to explore them..except for his g/f he sounds ready to leave...like go to Cambodia or Philippines.

Unfortunately this issue of "too young to retire with money" is up to the Thai immigration to deal with...

not from a bunch of old people on this forum unless he wanted sympathy.

Jealous he has money?..many people here have money & if their visa is in order obviously they have enough money to live here.

Jealous he has a g/f?.Even old guys can find a g/f here.

Jealous he doesn't want to learn Thai?..Everyone should learn basic Thai to live here.

Jealous he has to leave Thailand because he can't get his visa after 4 years here?..

I don't think too many people are jealous to be in his situation...

 

 

 

+1. None of the retirees cares one way or the other about the OP. Why should they? His situation is his own business and is between him and the Thai gov't. Nothing anybody can do about it here. Yet he came here to whine and cry and express sour grapes and call forth righteous doom--the last nail in the coffin of Economic Collapse--on the wicked stupid Thais who won't miss him and, incredibly, don't really need his vast fortune. The usual exaggeration of farang importance to the Thai economy.

 

Seems if anyone's jealous, it's the OP. A few of us patiently bothered to tell him that he does have some possibilities if he wants to take them: ED, marriage, Elite card, investment visa, job w/ work permit. Same answers as in all the other threads on the same subject. But he just wants to continue the whine of course.

 

So childish. We about done here?

Edited August 9, 2014 by JSixpack

[Tchooptip]

 

In his own little mind, he's Khun Big Time, spending a whole million baht every year (which probably means something closer to Baht 500,000 or less than most real retirees). 

 

Errrm, most of the real retirees I see in Thailand are actually cheap Charlies who would spend an entire afternoon trying to find the bar selling the cheapest beers.

 

Should you not  haunt the same bars, maybe you could meet more fortunate ones

[iphad]

 

 

Thailand has a GDP of 360+ Billion baht a year. The economy will fall to its knees when the OP takes his million baht away with him    

Please don't forget he is not alone, but have 2/3 friends who will take their one million Baht out of Thailand too  Pffff

 

Well, if all young retirees and freelance workers do indeed leave for other countries, it will have a negative impact on certain sectors of the economy. On the other hand, if the old farts who spend their days (and nights) glued to barstools did, no one would notice the difference.

 

Talking about the grey hair brigade, I wonder whether those who constantly applaud the recent immigration "crackdown" would still feel the same way the day the Thai government decides it wants more "quality retirees" instead of sexpats and decides to increase the minimum income/money in the bank requirement for a retirement visa.

 

It's not about the young wealthy vs the old retirees in the OP....

it's about options for the young & wealthy at the moment.

The OP has options but unfortunately they might be to his liking.

re. your opinion...there are some retirees that don't have the minimum funds required..and the day Thai Immigration changes the money requirement then there will be those affected & they have to deal with their options.

There are options but if someone doesn't want to find the way for them to stay legally in Thailand...then they have to move on.

It's not that every young person is undesirable...if that is even an issue with Thai immigration..... just as there are not every old retiree that is a sexpat glued to a barstool.

There are rules or requirements for staying long time in Thailand...

the young or the old might not like them.

The issue is with Thai immigration & the rules they set...not a battle between young & old foreigners.

[JAFO]

Man TV has become a stand up comedy act with all the recent material hitting the forum. There must be a sign at Swampypoo.

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