Sena Dave Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> ... and still there are people on here who suggest that there is nothing wrong with "soft" drug usage. Such soft drugs usage can easily lead addicts to more potent alternatives, ultimately ending in incidents like this. I firmly believe that all "recreational" drugs, and more dangerous alternatives should remain banned and pushers jailed for long periods for supplying such dangerous substances...! Nothing soft about Meth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sena Dave Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> Glad to see Thai police are starting to use less-than lethal devices and techniques. I can't say I have ever seen a Thai policeman carrying a stun gun. "Grabbing" at a man waving a meat clever, who has just killed or tried to kill two people, is not a wise course of action. The officers are very lucky not to have sustained major injuries themselves. In America he would most likely have been shot. Surprisingly, Thai police are very gun shy for some reason. RIP Mr Chalermpol, and I hope Ms. Rariya makes a full recovery. I don't know if it was a myth/joke or not but they were supposed to have to pay for their own bullets , which is why there were gun shy, funny either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Yes I drink but not to much anymore as getting old. I agree most drug taking does normally happen at parties where alcohol is available. The venture I had in life was drinking alcohol at maybe 13 so you are correct on that point. I can also see the point made someone high on weed will be mellow and do no harm but some one drunk will fight and use a knife. But alcohol weed can be controlled by some to others its the start to a life long problem. That is the whole point.. in general give me alcohol and i get tired and fall asleep.. but some people get violent and aggressive. Same goes for almost anything there are always people responding badly to drugs. I never stated drugs (alcohol included) are not harmful, i believe they are but alcohol is underestimated and if you read the research posted in this form you will open your eyes. It did mine.. i always believed steroids to be quite harmful, now i see them as less harmful as weed. Though I still believe that really high doses are harmful. But I do believe this study as a lot of it rings true. Anyway do we have to ban everything because some people can't handle it ? On the other hand do you want to have people who can't handle it use them. Nice discussing freedom vs risk ect. I don't think i got the awnser but I do think the hate against drugs is crazy as they are not as bad as they look compared to alcohol. Personally I did xtc in the past (but stopped when it influenced work) and know many people who did all had good lives and work next to it. Weed almost everyone tried it and held jobs next to it.. only a real small percentage could not handle it. Same goes for alcohol, not everyone turns into an alcoholic. But yes you read here often about meth killings but often I also read about killings that happen without anything. The stuff would not be my choice for long term use . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 ... and still there are people on here who suggest that there is nothing wrong with "soft" drug usage. Such soft drugs usage can easily lead addicts to more potent alternatives, ultimately ending in incidents like this. I firmly believe that all "recreational" drugs, and more dangerous alternatives should remain banned and pushers jailed for long periods for supplying such dangerous substances...!Lets start with alcohol as its a hard drug and has caused its fair share of deaths by fighting. Guess you wont like that as its your drug. Weed is far less damaging. Weed causes paranoia, if you can live with that, and upset those around you, go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starkey_rich Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 These brain dead morons don't need ya-ba to do things like this ,they are always flying into childish jealous rages at the drop of a hat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubapro27 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 ... and still there are people on here who suggest that there is nothing wrong with "soft" drug usage. Such soft drugs usage can easily lead addicts to more potent alternatives, ultimately ending in incidents like this. I firmly believe that all "recreational" drugs, and more dangerous alternatives should remain banned and pushers jailed for long periods for supplying such dangerous substances...! I don't think anyone has ever suggested Crystal Meth is a soft drug ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 i say great let them hack it out...druggie losers....this is the future..are you ready for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTIRIOS Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 .....a veritable 'hub'...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 ... and still there are people on here who suggest that there is nothing wrong with "soft" drug usage. Such soft drugs usage can easily lead addicts to more potent alternatives, ultimately ending in incidents like this. I firmly believe that all "recreational" drugs, and more dangerous alternatives should remain banned and pushers jailed for long periods for supplying such dangerous substances...! Lets start with alcohol as its a hard drug and has caused its fair share of deaths by fighting. Guess you wont like that as its your drug. Weed is far less damaging. Weed causes paranoia, if you can live with that, and upset those around you, go for it. Can cause in certain individuals .. If i need to list all the things that alcohol can do I might clog the server with data. But google korsakoff id take paranoia every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudcrab Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 ... the world would be a better place without any of them...! Reality check, the world has all these substances. Wishing that it didn't will not change the facts thus is a waste of words. But when people talk about drugs and the harm they do is not a waste of words. I am no holy Joe but I have seen what drugs do to people and there is always a payback. Taking recreational drugs is FUN but after a while the fun becomes a nightmare I have seen many people badly effected but mentally and socially. But the social fabric of Thailand is been ruined by Yaba when you live in a farang area it might not be apparently obvious but in the sticks its rampant all the kids are using its like having a beer to them. Maybe our friends in the military will do some thing against this disease as it is only people like them that have the power to fight these people. I think way more important than illegal taxis or buildings etc. so keep talking maybe someone will listen. true, but the people smoked weed for thousands of years prior to the chemically altered crap round these days.remember the land of smiles? Cambodians still do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimi007 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 ... and still there are people on here who suggest that there is nothing wrong with "soft" drug usage. Such soft drugs usage can easily lead addicts to more potent alternatives, ultimately ending in incidents like this. I firmly believe that all "recreational" drugs, and more dangerous alternatives should remain banned and pushers jailed for long periods for supplying such dangerous substances...! Lets start with alcohol as its a hard drug and has caused its fair share of deaths by fighting. Guess you wont like that as its your drug. Weed is far less damaging. Weed causes paranoia, if you can live with that, and upset those around you, go for it. LOL! Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokakrishna Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 and if he gets sentenced, after few years will be free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacChang Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 how come the insecticide didn't kill that insect.... should get a refund Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksam Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 ... and still there are people on here who suggest that there is nothing wrong with "soft" drug usage. Such soft drugs usage can easily lead addicts to more potent alternatives, ultimately ending in incidents like this. I firmly believe that all "recreational" drugs, and more dangerous alternatives should remain banned and pushers jailed for long periods for supplying such dangerous substances...! Are you suggesting Meth (ice) is a soft drug ??. I have never done any drugs except booze ( and yes that causes great problems for many) . Point is I knew a youngish bloke that prety much had been on everything. He is now drinking very heavily in an attempt to get off meth. He said it is the worst most addictive drug he has ever been on . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksam Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Impressed that the police were calm enough to use a stun gun to control situation. Not wish is fuel current issues in the USA.... But do the police there have stun guns at their disposal. Australia had a period of a LOT of deaths by police attempting to arrest and yet there was great debate about stun gun usage. I don't get if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belg Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 in the US, the crazy guy would be shot dead, no need for trial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catweazle Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) Each and everyone who is cooking up these crap drugs should be shot point blank, execution style, on the spot without a trial - worldwide. Full stop! Edited August 15, 2014 by catweazle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksam Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Sorry about multiple posts. At this very minute watching an Australian tv show, 60 minutes. Anyway two time world surfing world champ, now 51. Tom Carrol. Confesses he is hooked on Meth. Life is out of control. Thats not what I call a soft drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halion Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 ... and still there are people on here who suggest that there is nothing wrong with "soft" drug usage. Such soft drugs usage can easily lead addicts to more potent alternatives, ultimately ending in incidents like this. I firmly believe that all "recreational" drugs, and more dangerous alternatives should remain banned and pushers jailed for long periods for supplying such dangerous substances...! This incident could easily have happened if they were drinking ethanol. Would you then call for the banning of ethanol, like back in the days of 1920 to 1933? Mathamphetamine is not a "soft" drug. Stating so shows ignorance and discredits you in any debate on the topic of drugs. Though ethanol could be considered a "hard" drug based on the extreme effects it can have on one's body and mind and on society. I don't think anybody has said that "there is nothing wrong with "soft" drug usage", but instead that there are fewer problems with soft drugs like cannabis, MDMA and psilocybin mushrooms. If they were made legally available as alternatives to more harmful drugs like ethanol and methamphetamine then incidents like this may occur less frequently. I assume that you are aware that Ethanol is in fact the alcohol component of all alcoholic beverages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckistaner Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Ban everything since anything in excess could cause a problem. Too much sugar causes kids to become hyperactive, too much alcohol and what have you, too much good food and what have you..poor health and obesity, too much sex........., too much soda pop, too much TV, too many video games, too much internet, too much talking, too much sleeping, too much working...Just friggin ban everything since people are no longer taking full responsibility for their crazy actions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khounteen Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 In the early 2000, the PM(now in exile) successfully eradicated drugs in Thailand. With his downfall drugs started making a comeback. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post robblok Posted August 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2014 In the early 2000, the PM(now in exile) successfully eradicated drugs in Thailand. With his downfall drugs started making a comeback. You live up to your name, actually he (the police ordered by him) killed a lot of innocent people trying to eradicate drugs. It was never eradicated. But I am not going to get dragged into this one. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docno Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 To those of you stating that I suggested that methamphetamine is a soft drug, I made no such statement ... so please read my post again...! I suggested that most "users" start with "soft" or "recreational" drugs and ultimately lead on to more dangerous alternatives leading to incidents such as we have seen here. You may wish to offer reasons for your personal decision to do drugs, but you will not change my attitude towards the use of any drugs for non-essential purposes ... the world would be a better place without any of them...! You (and others here) need to distinguish between association and causation. Just because meth users are more likely that average to have used marijuana before (let's assume this is the case for the sake of argument), does not mean that use of marijuana leads to the use of meth, which is what terms like 'gateway drug' suggest. For example, it's also probably the case that hard drug users are more likely to have tattoos than the average person, but this does not mean that getting a tattoo is a 'gateway' to using hard drugs any more than me getting a tattoo will turn me into a skilled guitar player. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWizardofRnR Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 ... and still there are people on here who suggest that there is nothing wrong with "soft" drug usage. Such soft drugs usage can easily lead addicts to more potent alternatives, ultimately ending in incidents like this. I firmly believe that all "recreational" drugs, and more dangerous alternatives should remain banned and pushers jailed for long periods for supplying such dangerous substances...! GeorgeO .... r u on downers? Crystal Meth is not a soft drug , speed drugs of all Amphetamine type are well know to cause Paranoia & psychotic reactions . Please stop putting , what you are calling a soft drug , into a category that contains something you do not take for recreational purposes like pot ! People who take amphetamines , take it to stay awake & keep going on without sleeping for days on end! This leads them to paranoia & behavior like this guy exhibited. Just keep in mind , using a drug even prescription ones , can fall into the category of ABUSE ! Or do you think Alcohol should be put back into illegal days of the USA's Prohibition era too ? The only way to Control Drugs , are to educate , legalize , decriminalize & take the money out of the Pushers hands. If criminals can't make money off of them , they might have to go find a real job....if not , then lock them up , if they remain bent on committing criminal acts against society ! [attachment=279367:1_good_joint.jpg] 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhatmasterson Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 To those of you stating that I suggested that methamphetamine is a soft drug, I made no such statement ... so please read my post again...! I suggested that most "users" start with "soft" or "recreational" drugs and ultimately lead on to more dangerous alternatives leading to incidents such as we have seen here. You may wish to offer reasons for your personal decision to do drugs, but you will not change my attitude towards the use of any drugs for non-essential purposes ... the world would be a better place without any of them...! Your post seemed to suggest that you think methamphetamine is a soft drug simply because there was no mention of soft drugs anywhere in the thread before you introduced it. I think many readers, myself included, read into your statement that you thought meth was a soft drug. However, as you have been told, that is not the case. It is a horrible drug that is far worse than many of the so called hard drugs most people are familiar with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksam Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Actually I nearly agree with GeorgeO... ILLEGAL soft drugs do sometimes lead to usage of harder drugs. However the reason for some ending up going onto harder drugs is because they question the sense of harder drug Laws due to the non-sense of soft drug Laws. In other words, the "Gateway Drugs" are "Gateway Drugs" because they are illegal - if they weren't fewer people would question the sense of the Laws on harder drugs. Also, dealers may offer a number of different drugs, e.g. cannabis, MDMA, methamphetamine, cocaine. Some cannabis consumers who use such dealers may then consider trying methamphetamine and cocaine due to ready availability. If cannabis was legally available e.g. from shops, whereas other more harmful drugs were not, then there would be no such "gateway" from cannabis to harder drugs. "GATEWAY DRUG " such innovative crap on here. It's been my experience that weed "dealers" only sell weed and people who enjoy cannabis tend not to want anything to do with meth or hard drug users. The biggest gateway drug in my opinion is alcohol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimi007 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 ... and still there are people on here who suggest that there is nothing wrong with "soft" drug usage. Such soft drugs usage can easily lead addicts to more potent alternatives, ultimately ending in incidents like this. I firmly believe that all "recreational" drugs, and more dangerous alternatives should remain banned and pushers jailed for long periods for supplying such dangerous substances...! This incident could easily have happened if they were drinking ethanol. Would you then call for the banning of ethanol, like back in the days of 1920 to 1933? Mathamphetamine is not a "soft" drug. Stating so shows ignorance and discredits you in any debate on the topic of drugs. Though ethanol could be considered a "hard" drug based on the extreme effects it can have on one's body and mind and on society. I don't think anybody has said that "there is nothing wrong with "soft" drug usage", but instead that there are fewer problems with soft drugs like cannabis, MDMA and psilocybin mushrooms. If they were made legally available as alternatives to more harmful drugs like ethanol and methamphetamine then incidents like this may occur less frequently. I assume that you are aware that Ethanol is in fact the alcohol component of all alcoholic beverages. Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksam Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 in the US, the crazy guy would be shot dead, no need for trial Hope that was an attempt at being scarastic. What a foolish comment from someone with this many posts. Perhaps a s****t stirrer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowin Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 In the early 2000, the PM(now in exile) successfully eradicated drugs in Thailand. With his downfall drugs started making a comeback. He also got rid of a lot of enemies. I don't think anyone would condone a shoot to kill policy even on drug dealers. Give them their day in court and if found guilty than eradicate them as you would with a rabid dog. Most of the Yaba comes in from Thailand's neighbor Burma and it protect by the military junta there. So you won't be stopping that too fast. I read a book not too long ago called" the hunt for Khun Sa" about a Burmese drug lord who was funded and backed by the CIA during the Vietnam war. It would surprise you what goes on with governments. Sorry I digress . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowgard Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 ... and still there are people on here who suggest that there is nothing wrong with "soft" drug usage. Stupid!!! Meth are not a soft drug!!! And alcohol is harder than pott. How you can compare this. It's like you compare sex with a woman or SEX with a DONKEY!!! Sure for some People it don't make a different!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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