Police Seek Activist's Extradition For 'Blackshirt' Charges

[wave]

Democratic countries won't extradite anybody to a dictatorship. Quite right too seeing that they've already roughed her up once. They're obviously after payback.

she will be extradited. Wait and see.

If the evidence is there and they have a treaty with that country she will be extradited. But even if that is all true it can be a time consuming affair. Remember the Russian arms dealer extradited to the States. That took quite a while.

Does any one know any thing about this dictatorship jesimps is talking about. I know here in Thailand we had a failed attempt at one.

There is no chance whatsoever that she will be extradited.

Any lawyer would be able to crush an extradition request purely on the basis that she will not receive a fair trial.

They would need only to present the photos of alleged black shirt members being paraded by the police in black shirt uniforms.

This by itself would be enough to not grant an extradition request.

Not forgoing her prior detention, claims of abuse and the widely reported restrictions of civil rights under a military dictatorship.

Anyone who thinks there is any possibilty that she maybe extradited is dreaming.

[mikemac]

I know that some of the intellects behind the Red Shirt movement are not perhaps the keenest around, but hiring mercenary gunmen to brass up your opponents, and then leaving the payslips lying around does rather stretch credulity just a bit don't you think?

Not really much more than the denial by UDD leaders the MiB exist.

Uncle, the MIB don't exist, and never did. All those pictures on Google Images were photoshopped by Suthep and his mate Abhisit.

[chrisrazz]

So, a 22 year old (at the time) Thai female who accused the junta of maltreatment financed and organized a terrorist group? This goes against the cultural norms surely?

[wabothai]

What goes around comes around. who cares!

[cougar52]

Her "ordeal in military custody" as Kahosod puts it, was, according to her (reported elsewhere) to have included repeated punches to the face and body.

Yet no bruising has ever been shown from these alleged beatings.

If they had happened one would have expected her to be very keen to show off the marks of the mistreatment she received as proof of the brutality she claims.

Why was she held for 27 days (well past the junta's self imposed 7 day time limit)? Maybe to give the bruises time to disappear?

The junta said that they would only hold people for 7 days. And here they are holding her for much longer. At first when the junta took her into custody, they denied knowing her whereabouts. It was only later that it came to light that they had been holding her all along. Can we (or the courts that will decide whether or not to extradite her to face persecution by a military regime) really believe anything they say now?

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In ref. to your post, I have to wonder where is Chalerm it has been much longer that 27 days, is he still alive is the question.!

[Fat Haggis]

some exit stage left, some stay..

[jaidam]

So, a 22 year old (at the time) Thai female who accused the junta of maltreatment financed and organized a terrorist group? This goes against the cultural norms surely?

Remember the bombing campaign in Bangkok, paid for by a red MP, and (arrogantly) had the money transferred from a bank inside the parliament complex to the bomber? The person actually responsible for transferring the money then was a young female in her early 20's named Wasa or similar. So, not unprecedented for team Thaksin to use young females to carry out their terrorism.

[halloween]

some exit stage left, some stay..

Which are the smarter? As she would currently be behind bars facing a very long sentence, shall we assume that she took the smart option?

[Robby nz]

Her "ordeal in military custody" as Kahosod puts it, was, according to her (reported elsewhere) to have included repeated punches to the face and body.

Yet no bruising has ever been shown from these alleged beatings.

If they had happened one would have expected her to be very keen to show off the marks of the mistreatment she received as proof of the brutality she claims.

Why was she held for 27 days (well past the junta's self imposed 7 day time limit)? Maybe to give the bruises time to disappear?

The junta said that they would only hold people for 7 days. And here they are holding her for much longer. At first when the junta took her into custody, they denied knowing her whereabouts. It was only later that it came to light that they had been holding her all along. Can we (or the courts that will decide whether or not to extradite her to face persecution by a military regime) really believe anything they say now?

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Could it possibly be that when they picked her up she had weapons in her possession and there was time needed to check where they came from and if she had the correct paperwork to own them ?

Having weapons of war as she did it is a wonder they let her go at all rather than charging her with their possession.

A she had weapons and we now see her implicated by others can we believe anything she says ?

[Fat Haggis]

some exit stage left, some stay..

Which are the smarter? As she would currently be behind bars facing a very long sentence, shall we assume that she took the smart option?

You're so sure she would be behind bars, I'm assuming by this,you mean that she'd have been tried and sentenced in days.. untill she's apprehended, assuming she is really overseas, she's still innocent until a court decides she's guilty.. last time I looked TVF wasn't a court, although there's plenty of "judges" here it seems

[petercool]

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[mango66]

Her "ordeal in military custody" as Kahosod puts it, was, according to her (reported elsewhere) to have included repeated punches to the face and body.

Yet no bruising has ever been shown from these alleged beatings.

If they had happened one would have expected her to be very keen to show off the marks of the mistreatment she received as proof of the brutality she claims.

Why was she held for 27 days (well past the junta's self imposed 7 day time limit)? Maybe to give the bruises time to disappear?

The junta said that they would only hold people for 7 days. And here they are holding her for much longer. At first when the junta took her into custody, they denied knowing her whereabouts. It was only later that it came to light that they had been holding her all along. Can we (or the courts that will decide whether or not to extradite her to face persecution by a military regime) really believe anything they say now?

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wasn't it 7 days " if" they were reporting on time to NCPO?

did she show up by herself in time ? i can't remember;

[Fat Haggis]

Do you think she had a camera inside to take the picture with Alex? I don't think she would have had the ability to take snaps to show the bruises if there was any.

Open your mind up a bit Alex, face up to it that she could actually be telling the truth, and again the opposite, she could be lying through her teeth, but you've already made up your mind, without being in possession of all the fact, or the evidence that could convict her.. with that mindset, it's no wonder there would be a concern that she would never receive a fair trial.

If she's guilty after the evidence has been presented and the judges sentence, then it's a job done, move onto the next ones, repeat and rinse.

[AleG]

Do you think she had a camera inside to take the picture with Alex? I don't think she would have had the ability to take snaps to show the bruises if there was any.

Open your mind up a bit Alex, face up to it that she could actually be telling the truth, and again the opposite, she could be lying through her teeth, but you've already made up your mind, without being in possession of all the fact, or the evidence that could convict her.. with that mindset, it's no wonder there would be a concern that she would never receive a fair trial.

If she's guilty after the evidence has been presented and the judges sentence, then it's a job done, move onto the next ones, repeat and rinse.

Yes, she may actually be telling the truth, when she said she was treated well or when she says she was tortured, the people that have identified her as part of an armed group may also be telling the truth or they may be lying, the army may be saying the truth or be laying, yes to all. So excuse me, but why don't you go pester tbthailand for a while over waiting for evidence to surface in a court of law instead?

[fab4]

Her "ordeal in military custody" as Kahosod puts it, was, according to her (reported elsewhere) to have included repeated punches to the face and body.

Yet no bruising has ever been shown from these alleged beatings.

If they had happened one would have expected her to be very keen to show off the marks of the mistreatment she received as proof of the brutality she claims.

Why was she held for 27 days (well past the junta's self imposed 7 day time limit)? Maybe to give the bruises time to disappear?

The junta said that they would only hold people for 7 days. And here they are holding her for much longer. At first when the junta took her into custody, they denied knowing her whereabouts. It was only later that it came to light that they had been holding her all along. Can we (or the courts that will decide whether or not to extradite her to face persecution by a military regime) really believe anything they say now?

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Could it possibly be that when they picked her up she had weapons in her possession and there was time needed to check where they came from and if she had the correct paperwork to own them ?

Having weapons of war as she did it is a wonder they let her go at all rather than charging her with their possession.

A she had weapons and we now see her implicated by others can we believe anything she says ?

Could it possibly be that when they picked her up she had weapons in her possession and there was time needed to check where they came from and if she had the correct paperwork to own them ?

Look at that imagination taking leaps and bounds.

Apart from when they are losing them, the RTA have a fine history of "finding" weapons. One would have thought the RTA would have mentioned the alleged weapons "found" at the time when she was "detained out of suspicion that she may have incited unrest and violated the Computer Crime Acts during her tenure as a Redshirt activist" as the Army Spokesman, Colonel Winthai Suwaree said. Or perhaps, just, perhaps, your imagination is running riot.

[Fat Haggis]

Because I'm responding to you Alex, I'm not involved in debate with him, and if I was, I'd respond to him if he was in debate and discussion with myself.

Sounds a bit like you feel I'm singling you out? How do you think the suspect feels then? I think she should face the music, and either clear her name, or do the time if it's found that she's guilty. I also feel that way for ANY lawbreaker, do the crime, do the time, but in Thailand we know money talks, criminals walk.

We also know that there's accusations, counter accusations and downright lies, there's truths, half truths and again downright lies, there's evidence, there's fabrication of evidence, and there's downright lies.. because This is Thailand, I'm sure it happens in other countries too, but we're not talking about other countries, we're talking about a country we all mostly have a connection to.

There's a lot of deflection going on here, finger pointing etc. I want to see the guilty of both sides locked up, the red gunmen, the black gunmen and the yellow gunmen, zero tolerance, zero impartiality, whislt the fingers are pointed at the red leadership for the red gunmens actions, so should the finger be pointed at the PDRC leadership for all the times an incident occured with the PDRC guards.. hold BOTH sides accountable and punish them accordingly.

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[Gunna]

Wonder if she enjoys a good slapping?

Or is she just a Slapper ?

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[halloween]

some exit stage left, some stay..

Which are the smarter? As she would currently be behind bars facing a very long sentence, shall we assume that she took the smart option?

You're so sure she would be behind bars, I'm assuming by this,you mean that she'd have been tried and sentenced in days.. untill she's apprehended, assuming she is really overseas, she's still innocent until a court decides she's guilty.. last time I looked TVF wasn't a court, although there's plenty of "judges" here it seems

Not unusually, you make another wrong assumption. If they have enough evidence for extradition, they certainly have enough to arrest her had she not left the country, and she would be imprisoned with the other 5 of her team awaiting trial. Bail is not normally granted for terrorists, unless the people they were working for are in government. Then, they may have their bail paid for them, and their cases delayed indefinitely.

Try googling 'remand'

Edited September 14, 2014 by halloween

[fab4]

You're so sure she would be behind bars, I'm assuming by this,you mean that she'd have been tried and sentenced in days.. untill she's apprehended, assuming she is really overseas, she's still innocent until a court decides she's guilty.. last time I looked TVF wasn't a court, although there's plenty of "judges" here it seems

Not unusually, you make another wrong assumption. If they have enough evidence for extradition, they certainly have enough to arrest her had she not left the country, and she would be imprisoned with the other 5 of her team awaiting trial. Bail is not normally granted for terrorists, unless the people they were working for are in government. Then, they may have their bail paid for them, and their cases delayed indefinitely.

Try googling 'remand'

"Bail is not normally granted for terrorists, unless the people they were working for are in government. Then, they may have their bail paid for them, and their cases delayed indefinitely."

Well that's an "interesting" viewpoint. PAD leaders were charged with terrorism back in 2009

Thai airport blockaders charged with terrorism

Posted 16 July 2009, 21:08 AEST

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/2009-07-16/thai-airport-blockaders-charged-with-terrorism/154142

and here they are, still on bail, still awaiting a trial that has been postponed several times over the past 5 years,

PAD airports trial postponed to Dec 15

Posted on May 26, 2014

The Criminal Court has postponed to Dec 15 the examination of evidence in the case against 96 People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD) members indicted on various charges relating to the seizure of Don Mueang and Suvarnabhumi airports in 2008.

http://www.pattayaone.net/national/129473/pad-airports-trial-postponed-to-dec-15/

Edited September 15, 2014 by fab4

[Fat Haggis]

Wasn't Juttaporn out on "bail? at one point?

[rubl]

Wasn't Juttaporn out on "bail? at one point?

and Pheu Thai party list ex-MPs and UDD leaders Korkaew, Nattawut, Dr. weng, but those were 'peaceful protesters, not terrorists' of course.

[jaidam]

Wasn't Juttaporn out on "bail? at one point?

and Pheu Thai party list ex-MPs and UDD leaders Korkaew, Nattawut, Dr. weng, but those were 'peaceful protesters, not terrorists' of course.

If Jatuporn had been just a "peaceful protester", he would not have needed payment for his services in amulets would he, he could have just banked his paycheck like anybody else. Didn't Jatuporn boast in a newspaper interview that his mate Nutthawut was also paid in amulets?

[See the bears]

And now Pol. Gen. Somyot has retracted his accusation against Kritsuda saying "that police have not established a clear link between the 26-year-old activist and the armed militants."

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1410764757&typecate=06&section=

[rubl]

And now Pol. Gen. Somyot has retracted his accusation against Kritsuda saying "that police have not established a clear link between the 26-year-old activist and the armed militants."

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1410764757&typecate=06&section=

No problem, only four and a half years ago. We can wait a wee bit longer.

""Ms. Kritsuda may be involved with the case, but we cannot yet determine clearly what the money [Ms. Kritsuda] transferred to those accounts was for," Pol.Gen. Somyot said. "We do not know the purpose of the money.""

Ms. Kritsuda probably only paid some old debts

[See the bears]

And now Pol. Gen. Somyot has retracted his accusation against Kritsuda saying "that police have not established a clear link between the 26-year-old activist and the armed militants."

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1410764757&typecate=06&section=

No problem, only four and a half years ago. We can wait a wee bit longer.

""Ms. Kritsuda may be involved with the case, but we cannot yet determine clearly what the money [Ms. Kritsuda] transferred to those accounts was for," Pol.Gen. Somyot said. "We do not know the purpose of the money.""

Ms. Kritsuda probably only paid some old debts

Right ! I hope it would be 'no problem' for you then if the Thai Chief of Police accused you of terrorism with 'no clear' evidence!

[rubl]

And now Pol. Gen. Somyot has retracted his accusation against Kritsuda saying "that police have not established a clear link between the 26-year-old activist and the armed militants."

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1410764757&typecate=06&section=

No problem, only four and a half years ago. We can wait a wee bit longer.

""Ms. Kritsuda may be involved with the case, but we cannot yet determine clearly what the money [Ms. Kritsuda] transferred to those accounts was for," Pol.Gen. Somyot said. "We do not know the purpose of the money.""

Ms. Kritsuda probably only paid some old debts

Right ! I hope it would be 'no problem' for you then if the Thai Chief of Police accused you of terrorism with 'no clear' evidence!

After having been accused correctly of some other things, you mean?

My biggest problem would be to garner sympathy as I'm not a young, nice looking girl, but more like a grumpy old man