Resignation call amid HK stand-off

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Hong Kong protests: Resignation call amid stand-off

HONG KONG: -- Pro-democracy protesters have again urged Hong Kong's leader to step down saying he will be condemned by history, as huge crowds continue to bring parts of the territory to a standstill.

On Monday night, tens of thousands blocked streets, singing and chanting.

The protesters want Beijing to give Hong Kong a free vote for its next leader, something Beijing has rejected.

By Tuesday streets were relatively quiet but crowds are expected to swell for the eve of Chinese National Day.

Over the weekend police used tear gas and pepper spray, but riot police have since been withdrawn and protesters remain calm.

China has described the demonstrations as illegal and urged the Hong Kong government to bring them under control. News of the protests is being heavily censored in mainland China.

In the US, a White House spokesman urged Hong Kong authorities to "exercise restraint" and protesters to "express their views peacefully".

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-29420802


-- BBC 2014-09-30

[siampolee]

Going to very interesting to see just how the Chinese authorities react to and also how they may handle this matter.

The euphoria that enveloped Hong Kong on the handover has long since been replaced with reality that life under colonial British rule was indeed a lot better than life under a colonial Chinese rule.

The future is indeed cloudy..

Will or can China give the autonomy asked for ?

The world is watching, however the affects on the Chinese politically will be minimal, however there may well be a hurt factor trade wise.

Hong Kong may well be an Achilles heel for China in many different ways.

[Publicus]

The protestors demonstrating in the streets of HKG are courageous citizens seriously committed to the rule of law, liberalism, market economics, equality, participatory democracy and politics.

They know the CCP in Beijing is militantly and ideologically contemptuous of all of the foregoing and much more that is not a police state.

The massive turnout that has extended past the weekend event will regenerate and expand significantly as the CCP National 'Day' of 7 days holiday comes Wednesday.

The HKG police and government have entirely lost control of the protests, the demonstrations, the city. The police have been withdrawn from Central and its larger areas and they have ceased all tactical operations.

The next move is up to the 21st century fascist dictators in Beijing who dogmatically must create their own disorder and chaos.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Publicus

[max72]

Going to very interesting to see just how the Chinese authorities react to and also how they may handle this matter.

The euphoria that enveloped Hong Kong on the handover has long since been replaced with reality that life under colonial British rule was indeed a lot better than life under a colonial Chinese rule.

The future is indeed cloudy..

Will or can China give the autonomy asked for ?

The world is watching, however the affects on the Chinese politically will be minimal, however there may well be a hurt factor trade wise.

Hong Kong may well be an Achilles heel for China in many different ways.

Democracy is always better than dictatorship. Always. Anywhere. Anytime. Specially for people with education who had tasted it.

[max72]

Going to very interesting to see just how the Chinese authorities react to and also how they may handle this matter.

The euphoria that enveloped Hong Kong on the handover has long since been replaced with reality that life under colonial British rule was indeed a lot better than life under a colonial Chinese rule.

The future is indeed cloudy..

Will or can China give the autonomy asked for ?

The world is watching, however the affects on the Chinese politically will be minimal, however there may well be a hurt factor trade wise.

Hong Kong may well be an Achilles heel for China in many different ways.

Chinese don t know how t handle this.

They don t want to show signs of "weakness" but they cant afford to destroy Hong KOng.

If they had a minimum of common sense and civilization, they could take this like an opportunity to start a long process of democratization,but in their minds this is a danger, not an opportunity.

They think democracy brings chaos, while history and present show they are 100% opposite.

The world's most advanced economies are democracies, all the world's poorest countries are dictatorships.

Is in Asia different ? Not at all !

South Korea and Taiwan (and decades ago Japan) started booming after switching from dictatorships to democracies.

Before 1990 South Korea was growing but moderately and it was one of the world's most corrupt countries.

They think China is different because it is too big ? All bull.....t. !

India is a democracy and it is still better than his neighbour (with similar cultures and systems) Pakistan and Bangladesh which have been dominated by the army, by world record corruption and much more chaos than India.

Democracy wins always, allover, dictatorship loses.

The world's happiest country ? Costa Rica. Why ? There has been no army for 70 years !

[sandrabbit]

Going to very interesting to see just how the Chinese authorities react to and also how they may handle this matter.

The euphoria that enveloped Hong Kong on the handover has long since been replaced with reality that life under colonial British rule was indeed a lot better than life under a colonial Chinese rule.

The future is indeed cloudy..

Will or can China give the autonomy asked for ?

The world is watching, however the affects on the Chinese politically will be minimal, however there may well be a hurt factor trade wise.

Hong Kong may well be an Achilles heel for China in many different ways.

How can it be colonial Chinese rule when Hong Kong was part of China and was colonised by the British?.

The Chinese had been careful about their little jewel as ordinary mainland Chinese needed the equivalent of a visa to visit the island.

[ScotBkk]

Going to very interesting to see just how the Chinese authorities react to and also how they may handle this matter.

The euphoria that enveloped Hong Kong on the handover has long since been replaced with reality that life under colonial British rule was indeed a lot better than life under a colonial Chinese rule.

The future is indeed cloudy..

Will or can China give the autonomy asked for ?

The world is watching, however the affects on the Chinese politically will be minimal, however there may well be a hurt factor trade wise.

Hong Kong may well be an Achilles heel for China in many different ways.

Democracy is always better than dictatorship. Always. Anywhere. Anytime. Specially for people with education who had tasted it.

Yes, would be even better if Thailand took heed and did the same ....................

[kingalfred]

I would predict the chinese government are not going to be as soft as the Thai one was when streets were blocked. Send in the red army with the gas , water cannon and bulldozers.

[stoli]

When the British handed over control of Hong Kong in 1997, China learned how well Capitalism worked in the world. China has grown from this knowledge. They need it to continue to embrace it have they have done on the mainland that has helped them grow into a superpower. Why throw this away? It has been working for them.....

[siampolee]

If I have posted the link correctly these video's are worth a look to gauge the intensity of the public's feelings regarding China's ideas.They clearly show the publics views and the reaction of the Chinese government.

The Chinese nay well find out that Tienanmen Square was but a fleabite to their authoritarian ideals as opposed the current and future activities regarding the Hong Kong situation

http://mic.com/articles/100028/16-dramatic-videos-show-what-it-s-like-to-be-in-hong-kong-right-now?utm_source=Mic+Check&utm_campaign=238635f355-Mic_Report_9_30_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51f2320b33-238635f355-284930866

Edited September 30, 2014 by siampolee

[MJP]

You know, we're really not that bad the old Brits. We take of the proverbial off all manner but to be honest we're really okay.

[Publicus]

Going to very interesting to see just how the Chinese authorities react to and also how they may handle this matter.

The euphoria that enveloped Hong Kong on the handover has long since been replaced with reality that life under colonial British rule was indeed a lot better than life under a colonial Chinese rule.

The future is indeed cloudy..

Will or can China give the autonomy asked for ?

The world is watching, however the affects on the Chinese politically will be minimal, however there may well be a hurt factor trade wise.

Hong Kong may well be an Achilles heel for China in many different ways.

How can it be colonial Chinese rule when Hong Kong was part of China and was colonised by the British?.

The Chinese had been careful about their little jewel as ordinary mainland Chinese needed the equivalent of a visa to visit the island.

The fact mainland PRChinese need the equivalent of a visa to enter and exit HKG indicates how radically different life in HKG is contrasted to life on the mainland.

When I recently lived and worked on the mainland PRC a couple of hours from HKG a number of mainland PRChinese I knew considered getting the visa equivalent you reference that enables visits to HKG to be an indicator to family, friends, colleagues etc of a cosmopolitan lifestyle and attitude.

To a number of advanced thinking mainland PRChinese, travelling to HKG identified you to other mainlanders you know as a globally oriented person.

I can say the mainland PRChinese who frequented HKG on trips there are in fact far more open minded and advanced in their world view, cultural and political attitudes and values and the like than the average numb nuts encased PRChinese.

It's also revealing that foreign devils such as myself who as I said live and work on the mainland can do visa runs to Hong Kong (or Macau). Foreign devils don't literally have to leave the PRC to do a visa run or to apply for a new work visa or another category of a visa. A trip to HKG (or Macau) does the trick 100% no problem.

I met many Hong Kongers and spent many extended visits to HKG while I was on the mainland and I keep in touch with both Hong Kongers and the mainland PRChinese I knew while I was there. Hong Kongers refer to HKG as "China" and refer to the mainland as "the mainland."

Both groups of PRChinese are miserably depressed and furious about the lying rat CCP Boyz in Beijing who as everyone now knows with absolute certainty never intended to honor the agreement they signed with the UK reverting HKG to CCP sovereignty.

The clear lesson is never to trust or to believe the CCP Boyz in Beijing about anything, anytime, anywhere. They sign documents, say anything you want to hear, smile and vigorously shake your hand, knowing all the while they will do as they covertly plan and intend to do. Every time.

This is like 1938 Germany except no one in the occupied land is cheering. It's completely the opposite in HKG.