Army C-in-C Gen Prayut passes baton to successor

[rubl]

Another Eastern Tiger leader!, i am sure other regional army divisions are getting a little frustrated about this.

I am sure the leader has many creative ways to make sure the other regional army leaders are content and will tow the line.

Another Army General getting a job ? Another Thai involved? Sun shining?

So, can you name another General who would be in line for promotion with the correct knowledge, time in rank, etc., etc.?

Name you two and you can do your research why they are not considered. Gen Nipat, full general and deputy Perm Sec MOD and Lt. Gen Atthanop, Commander in the prestigious National Defence College. Anyway, you know the reasons why Udomdej is appointed as stepping stone for little brother of Prayuth.

Do my own research? You're the one posting dubious statements.

You suggest there were three generals all of similar date-in-rank, knowledge, experience, capabilities, etc. who vied for the job. Only one can be choosen. As for most this is the last step in their career before retirement it would seem the other two lose out. So far nothing special. Happens in most countries.

Now on why Gen. Udomdej. You fail to answer that. Mind you, I would assume that in most countries the public has only very vague ideas on why someone was chosen over others. You suggest you have insight in the election process here, so please share with us.

Now without further information I can only assume that your suggestion on the 'little brother' of Gen. Prayut is only an insinuation. Wasn't he only recently promoted? That would seem that there are at least a good dozen general officers in front of him, especially since some frequently complain about Thailand having too many generals.

[Cent]

PRAYUT'S SUCCESSOR

New Army chief vows no coup

The Nation

Outgoing Army chief General Prayut Chan-o-cha and new chief General Udomdej Sitabutr receive a salute at the hand-over of his post to Udomdej at Army headquarters yesterday.

Udomdej promises to maintain peace; defend monarchy

BANGKOK: -- NEWLY APPOINTED Army chief General Udomdej Sitabutr vowed yesterday there would be no military coup to oust the Prayut Chan-o-cha administration.

"There won't be [a coup], be it by those [in power] now or in the future. The commanders have a common understanding and everyone is moving in the same direction," he said.

Udomdej made the remark in reply to reporters' questions following the hand-over ceremony at Army headquarters in Bangkok yesterday.

The new commander, who assumes the position today, said the Army would continue to serve as a main base for maintaining peace and order and would defend the monarchy institution and try to end the conflict in the deep South.

"I am ready to continue the task and deal with threats of all forms that are becoming more complex and broad as well as preparing [the Army] into becoming a strong Army for Asean," said Udomdej, adding that winning the trust of the public would also be an objective, along with fostering national unity and stability.

On the restive three southernmost provinces, the new Army chief said the struggle to maintain peace in the area was already a decade old. The outgoing Army chief and Prime Minister Prayut had assigned him with the task of restoring peace - or at least reducing the level of violence - in the area.

"We used to try to win [the hearts] of all villages but from now on we will make people in the three-border provinces feel they're not fighting with anyone. We shall make peace in the villages and when the villages are peaceful, the districts and provinces shall become peaceful as well," Udomdej said.

"We will try to make understanding through talking with all groups. This is what I will do more in parallel [with other approaches]," he said, adding that he was confident such a strategy would work if all parties cooperate. "Come and talk with us if you have something to say or something that you wish to do. We shall support things that are right and in accordance with the constitution."

In regard to maintaining peace and order nationwide, the new Army chief said the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) would continue to exist and play its role, as well as continuing to support the government.

Prayut, meanwhile, said he was confident the new Army chief would be able to carry out the tasks, including modernising of the Army.

-- The Nation 2014-10-01

Yeah, yeah. That's what they ALL say. :-)

[rubl]

Another Army General getting a job ? Another Thai involved? Sun shining?

So, can you name another General who would be in line for promotion with the correct knowledge, time in rank, etc., etc.?

I have no idea what you are asking. I think you potentially misread my post, i was not criticizing the General, so you can put your light sabre down.

Personally I have no problem when you criticise the General, go ahead

It's just that mentioning the "another Eastern Tiger" followed by musings on how frustated other regional army commanders might be, suggests you think there were other, equally or even more capable figures who could or should have got this job. That's why I asked if you could name one

No, i was not commenting on qualification, more the continual line of persons from the same regiment being picked- Prawit, Anupong, Prayuth, Udomej.

I am unsure what qualifications the head of the army requires here, their job when not conducting a coup seems more ceremonial than anything else, i cannot imagine they do much strategic thinking themselves, they would have teams of relatively intelligent but less well connected people to do that for them.

Maybe they spend their times 'overseeing' procurement.

So, why the 'frustrated regional commanders' you mentioned? You don't seem to have any information on that. Why did you write "frustrated", just a 'feeling"?

As for selection process, I also have no idea, but I also don't know details on how that works in other countries, or even my native country. Still I don't write about those not considered being frustrated.

As for the job of a C-in-C, surely a bit more than just ceremonial. Somehow I doubt any new cadet dreams of becoming C-in-C at the end of a career because it's so nicely ceremonial.

[stoli]

Amazing, he has just taken over and is talking about coup situations, does the Thai military study defending the country or taking over the country.

Veiled warning perhaps to future civilian administrations ?

Just the opposite. This change of military leadership on October 1 is very much a part of the reason that the baht has been declining, just in case the new leaders wished to replace Prayut. This announcement will give a calming influence to the markets. Expect the baht to start getting stronger again.

[Falcon]

What a heap of shit. Now, all thailand can think of is making coups if something is said wrong or people don't agree with the current legislation. The new guy won't make a coup until 5 or 6 months to his mandatory retirement and the. It will be game on, make a coup and take over the country and make himself prime minister just before he has to retire, that'll keep the money coming in for another few years until 'his' successor does the same thing and then again and again and again.

[thedivezone]

All hail the future junta leader of Thailand !

[DrTuner]

So I assume there will be a coup. Have they managed to put a government in place yet to get one done ? Or is it going to be some sort of serial coup ?

It's the hub of coups, gotta have a fix every few months.

[Expat Girl]

I am sure you will all join me and say a big thanks to General Prayut for his dedicated services to the country and its people. I am sure he will bode well as the PM and no doubt be successful in his leadership of the country. Also good luck to his successor as the new army chief.

Well done guys....

[fab4]

He was succeeded by Gen Udomdej Sitabutr

Surely not another "Eastern Tiger", 'pon my soul? About as suprising as the NRC list

Your comment as well.

anyway it would seem that the successor might be the correct man for the job, rank, experience, capabilties, knowledge. Maybe even 'potential'

Don't you ever stop?

[rubl]

I am sure you will all join me and say a big thanks to General Prayut for his dedicated services to the country and its people. I am sure he will bode well as the PM and no doubt be successful in his leadership of the country. Also good luck to his successor as the new army chief.

Well done guys....

I don't know why, must be the way I tick inside, but posts like these tend to annoy me almost as much as some of the opposite, negative posts.

Mind you, there's nothing wrong with the post. I've been present at (business) promotion gatherings and they tend to phrase just as positive.

[Expat Girl]

I am sure you will all join me and say a big thanks to General Prayut for his dedicated services to the country and its people. I am sure he will bode well as the PM and no doubt be successful in his leadership of the country. Also good luck to his successor as the new army chief.

Well done guys....

I don't know why, must be the way I tick inside, but posts like these tend to annoy me almost as much as some of the opposite, negative posts.

Mind you, there's nothing wrong with the post. I've been present at (business) promotion gatherings and they tend to phrase just as positive.

Hi rubl, not a problem, we all have our own views on posts, positive or negative, for me i would rather say it as i feel it, no need to water it down or make it more neutral. Why not praise someone if you feel they deserve it, i do it every day in my working week, as well as slate somebody if they deserve it.

Edited October 1, 2014 by Expat Girl

[rubl]

He was succeeded by Gen Udomdej Sitabutr

Surely not another "Eastern Tiger", 'pon my soul? About as suprising as the NRC list

Your comment as well.

anyway it would seem that the successor might be the correct man for the job, rank, experience, capabilties, knowledge. Maybe even 'potential'

Don't you ever stop?

Oh come on fabs.

Anyway I just agreed with you, no surprise. Just like in other countries where the race to become the next Army C-in-C seems to see the best man winning.

[drand11]

Didnt Prayuth say no Coip & hold negotiations the day prior yo his Coup?

This Coup thi g is all a planned cycle of control by the Thai Elite & Minority. This is why Thailand fails to understand Democracy. Its is what it is!

[ttthailand]

Thank you General (PM) Prayut for showing the way, job well done ! Lets now hope the new Man in charge carries on the same path as PM Prayut did while he was in charge.

Lets start off with a success right from the beginning and take over Koh Lao and DNA test all suspects Thai or foreign. Lets find out who really raped and murdered these lovely people and bring happiness back to Thailand.

I wish you luck !!!

Edited October 1, 2014 by ttthailand

[asdecas]

Where else in the World can you find this quality of entertainment? Three months after the 19th coup since 1932, and while the instigator of the latest army takeover is still self-appointed head of government, his successor as army chief vows "no coup".

Truly Thainess works in mysterious ways.

Edited October 1, 2014 by asdecas

[Eric Loh]

Another Eastern Tiger leader!, i am sure other regional army divisions are getting a little frustrated about this.

I am sure the leader has many creative ways to make sure the other regional army leaders are content and will tow the line.

Another Army General getting a job ? Another Thai involved? Sun shining?

So, can you name another General who would be in line for promotion with the correct knowledge, time in rank, etc., etc.?

Name you two and you can do your research why they are not considered. Gen Nipat, full general and deputy Perm Sec MOD and Lt. Gen Atthanop, Commander in the prestigious National Defence College. Anyway, you know the reasons why Udomdej is appointed as stepping stone for little brother of Prayuth.

Do my own research? You're the one posting dubious statements.

You suggest there were three generals all of similar date-in-rank, knowledge, experience, capabilities, etc. who vied for the job. Only one can be choosen. As for most this is the last step in their career before retirement it would seem the other two lose out. So far nothing special. Happens in most countries.

Now on why Gen. Udomdej. You fail to answer that. Mind you, I would assume that in most countries the public has only very vague ideas on why someone was chosen over others. You suggest you have insight in the election process here, so please share with us.

Now without further information I can only assume that your suggestion on the 'little brother' of Gen. Prayut is only an insinuation. Wasn't he only recently promoted? That would seem that there are at least a good dozen general officers in front of him, especially since some frequently complain about Thailand having too many generals.

Sometimes I wonder if you intentional try to be naive or you just naive. Why Gen Udomdej and not Gen Nipat or Lt. Gen. Atthanop? Thought you being Mr. Know All should know obvious answer even without researching even the juicy bit about the next AC after Udomdej.

[fab4]

Another Eastern Tiger leader!, i am sure other regional army divisions are getting a little frustrated about this.

I am sure the leader has many creative ways to make sure the other regional army leaders are content and will tow the line.

Another Army General getting a job ? Another Thai involved? Sun shining?

So, can you name another General who would be in line for promotion with the correct knowledge, time in rank, etc., etc.?

Name you two and you can do your research why they are not considered. Gen Nipat, full general and deputy Perm Sec MOD and Lt. Gen Atthanop, Commander in the prestigious National Defence College. Anyway, you know the reasons why Udomdej is appointed as stepping stone for little brother of Prayuth.

Do my own research? You're the one posting dubious statements.

You suggest there were three generals all of similar date-in-rank, knowledge, experience, capabilities, etc. who vied for the job. Only one can be choosen. As for most this is the last step in their career before retirement it would seem the other two lose out. So far nothing special. Happens in most countries.

Now on why Gen. Udomdej. You fail to answer that. Mind you, I would assume that in most countries the public has only very vague ideas on why someone was chosen over others. You suggest you have insight in the election process here, so please share with us.

Now without further information I can only assume that your suggestion on the 'little brother' of Gen. Prayut is only an insinuation. Wasn't he only recently promoted? That would seem that there are at least a good dozen general officers in front of him, especially since some frequently complain about Thailand having too many generals.

Heaven forbid you actually do some research on the subject you're expounding upon. You could try seri thai's "who's who in the Thai coup" for a start........

[rubl]

Name you two and you can do your research why they are not considered. Gen Nipat, full general and deputy Perm Sec MOD and Lt. Gen Atthanop, Commander in the prestigious National Defence College. Anyway, you know the reasons why Udomdej is appointed as stepping stone for little brother of Prayuth.

Do my own research? You're the one posting dubious statements.

You suggest there were three generals all of similar date-in-rank, knowledge, experience, capabilities, etc. who vied for the job. Only one can be choosen. As for most this is the last step in their career before retirement it would seem the other two lose out. So far nothing special. Happens in most countries.

Now on why Gen. Udomdej. You fail to answer that. Mind you, I would assume that in most countries the public has only very vague ideas on why someone was chosen over others. You suggest you have insight in the election process here, so please share with us.

Now without further information I can only assume that your suggestion on the 'little brother' of Gen. Prayut is only an insinuation. Wasn't he only recently promoted? That would seem that there are at least a good dozen general officers in front of him, especially since some frequently complain about Thailand having too many generals.

Sometimes I wonder if you intentional try to be naive or you just naive. Why Gen Udomdej and not Gen Nipat or Lt. Gen. Atthanop? Thought you being Mr. Know All should know obvious answer even without researching even the juicy bit about the next AC after Udomdej.

So, you want to suggest a lot without naming names. You just suggest that after C-in-C retires or steps down automatically 'little brother' O-cha will become C-in-C. Ignoring he's just been promoted and most likely has a few other generals ahead of him, even in a few years time.

Strictly speaking you're just trolling around, insinuating without offering any proof or even the slightest justification.

[rubl]

Name you two and you can do your research why they are not considered. Gen Nipat, full general and deputy Perm Sec MOD and Lt. Gen Atthanop, Commander in the prestigious National Defence College. Anyway, you know the reasons why Udomdej is appointed as stepping stone for little brother of Prayuth.

Do my own research? You're the one posting dubious statements.

You suggest there were three generals all of similar date-in-rank, knowledge, experience, capabilities, etc. who vied for the job. Only one can be choosen. As for most this is the last step in their career before retirement it would seem the other two lose out. So far nothing special. Happens in most countries.

Now on why Gen. Udomdej. You fail to answer that. Mind you, I would assume that in most countries the public has only very vague ideas on why someone was chosen over others. You suggest you have insight in the election process here, so please share with us.

Now without further information I can only assume that your suggestion on the 'little brother' of Gen. Prayut is only an insinuation. Wasn't he only recently promoted? That would seem that there are at least a good dozen general officers in front of him, especially since some frequently complain about Thailand having too many generals.

Heaven forbid you actually do some research on the subject you're expounding upon. You could try seri thai's "who's who in the Thai coup" for a start........

Heaven forbid I have to check every piece of nonsense some troll posts. That would keep me a wee bit too busy.

So, after all the fun in suggesting 'Eastern Tigers' frustrate other regional commanders, a 'little brother' and an alleged planned promotion in a few years time and other obfuscation, I'm still waiting for somewhat more solid evidence.

Mind you, I'd better not hold my breath I think.

[Eric Loh]

Name you two and you can do your research why they are not considered. Gen Nipat, full general and deputy Perm Sec MOD and Lt. Gen Atthanop, Commander in the prestigious National Defence College. Anyway, you know the reasons why Udomdej is appointed as stepping stone for little brother of Prayuth.

Do my own research? You're the one posting dubious statements.

You suggest there were three generals all of similar date-in-rank, knowledge, experience, capabilities, etc. who vied for the job. Only one can be choosen. As for most this is the last step in their career before retirement it would seem the other two lose out. So far nothing special. Happens in most countries.

Now on why Gen. Udomdej. You fail to answer that. Mind you, I would assume that in most countries the public has only very vague ideas on why someone was chosen over others. You suggest you have insight in the election process here, so please share with us.

Now without further information I can only assume that your suggestion on the 'little brother' of Gen. Prayut is only an insinuation. Wasn't he only recently promoted? That would seem that there are at least a good dozen general officers in front of him, especially since some frequently complain about Thailand having too many generals.

Sometimes I wonder if you intentional try to be naive or you just naive. Why Gen Udomdej and not Gen Nipat or Lt. Gen. Atthanop? Thought you being Mr. Know All should know obvious answer even without researching even the juicy bit about the next AC after Udomdej.

So, you want to suggest a lot without naming names. You just suggest that after C-in-C retires or steps down automatically 'little brother' O-cha will become C-in-C. Ignoring he's just been promoted and most likely has a few other generals ahead of him, even in a few years time.

Strictly speaking you're just trolling around, insinuating without offering any proof or even the slightest justification.

So now you talking about trolling and insinuation. Months on end we hear you talk about Yingluck corruption without offering any proof and slightest justification. Even the OAG ruled out taking the case. If I am guilty of insinuation, then fingers are pointing at you too, Uncle Rubi. Cut your crap about you holier than thou.

[rubl]

So, you want to suggest a lot without naming names. You just suggest that after C-in-C retires or steps down automatically 'little brother' O-cha will become C-in-C. Ignoring he's just been promoted and most likely has a few other generals ahead of him, even in a few years time.

Strictly speaking you're just trolling around, insinuating without offering any proof or even the slightest justification.

So now you talking about trolling and insinuation. Months on end we hear you talk about Yingluck corruption without offering any proof and slightest justification. Even the OAG ruled out taking the case. If I am guilty of insinuation, then fingers are pointing at you too, Uncle Rubi. Cut your crap about you holier than thou.

So to conclude:

- you cannot give solid evidence for your insinuations here

- you accuse me of talking about "Yingluck corruption" where I have mentioned a few times I doubt she made a single Baht out of various scams. Mind you condoning corruption by a PM is corrupting as well especially when as PM she hosts grand shows to start the "Yingluck Government against corruption" campaigns. BTW the accusation the OAG gave back to NACC only mentioned "negligence", not corruption.

- You suggest two wrongs make a right, whereas the wrong you accuse me of is a lie and the wrong I accuse you of you cannot refute.

Edited October 1, 2014 by rubl

[fab4]

Heaven forbid you actually do some research on the subject you're expounding upon. You could try seri thai's "who's who in the Thai coup" for a start........

Heaven forbid I have to check every piece of nonsense some troll posts. That would keep me a wee bit too busy.

So, after all the fun in suggesting 'Eastern Tigers' frustrate other regional commanders, a 'little brother' and an alleged planned promotion in a few years time and other obfuscation, I'm still waiting for somewhat more solid evidence.

Mind you, I'd better not hold my breath I think.

If you were truly interested in the reasoning you would have done some research and then you would realise that certain things cannot be discussed in public - so solid evidence in a public forum you are not going to get, hence the suggestion that you do your own research. However I suspect you are more than aware of this, having been living in Thailand as long as you have and only pretend to be naive (at least I hope so for your sake) so that you can troll away knowing people can't give you the answers you demand.

Pretty insidious, if you ask me.

[rubl]

Heaven forbid you actually do some research on the subject you're expounding upon. You could try seri thai's "who's who in the Thai coup" for a start........

Heaven forbid I have to check every piece of nonsense some troll posts. That would keep me a wee bit too busy.

So, after all the fun in suggesting 'Eastern Tigers' frustrate other regional commanders, a 'little brother' and an alleged planned promotion in a few years time and other obfuscation, I'm still waiting for somewhat more solid evidence.

Mind you, I'd better not hold my breath I think.

If you were truly interested in the reasoning you would have done some research and then you would realise that certain things cannot be discussed in public - so solid evidence in a public forum you are not going to get, hence the suggestion that you do your own research. However I suspect you are more than aware of this, having been living in Thailand as long as you have and only pretend to be naive (at least I hope so for your sake) so that you can troll away knowing people can't give you the answers you demand.

Pretty insidious, if you ask me.

So, its OK to suggest, to hint at possibilities and following simply refuse to provide details by saying that's impossible under current circumstances. Apart from the fact that none of the searches seem to indicate what is hinted at (other commanders frustrated, new C-in-C appointed although maybe not the best man, 'little brother' next in line, etc.etc.

It would seem you guys are just using any excuse to insinuate without feeling a need to justify. Following you even accuse me of being 'insidious' (intended to trap or beguile), or were you just insulting me with "stealthily treacherous or deceitful"?

[JAG]

He was succeeded by Gen Udomdej Sitabutr

Surely not another "Eastern Tiger", 'pon my soul? About as suprising as the NRC list

Your comment as well.

anyway it would seem that the successor might be the correct man for the job, rank, experience, capabilties, knowledge. Maybe even 'potential'

Don't you ever stop?

No, its how he closes down any meaningful debate.

[rubl]

He was succeeded by Gen Udomdej Sitabutr

Surely not another "Eastern Tiger", 'pon my soul? About as suprising as the NRC list

Your comment as well.

anyway it would seem that the successor might be the correct man for the job, rank, experience, capabilties, knowledge. Maybe even 'potential'

Don't you ever stop?

No, its how he closes down any meaningful debate.

Your remark has no relation with the posts here as the cup of coffee fabs added indicates he wasn't feeling like a meaningful discussion.

BTW I was just being friendly, I agreed with him that the best man had got the position and that should be no surprise.

[Wilsonandson]

Democracy shall be returned to the people when? The people are smiling, but what do they really think? Why aren't both sides of the political arena taking part in political reform? The people need to be represented by all walks of life and with all opinions on how to move forward. Hong Kong people are voicing their opinions right now on democracy.

[rubl]

Democracy shall be returned to the people when? The people are smiling, but what do they really think? Why aren't both sides of the political arena taking part in political reform? The people need to be represented by all walks of life and with all opinions on how to move forward. Hong Kong people are voicing their opinions right now on democracy.

Well, seven months of chaos showed a distinct lack of inclination to participate in reforms by political parties or protest groups. The Democrats and PDRC maybe but unclear what type apart from that unavoidably being one side only. Having Gen. Prayut gather them, lean on them and look over their shoulder they seemed to only, grudgingly, agree that the others were to be blamed.

Now the NRC may have been a good idea, but the response seems unsatisfying. Still the various ccommittees are requires to seek input from all Thai, all Thai are asked to provide input, ideas and so. If that happens the NRC can formulate reforms acceptable by most Thai. Not an easy job, but essential for a step forward.

PS democracy shall be "returned" ? How can you return something which was never really there?

Edited October 1, 2014 by rubl

[heyexile]

I am sure you will all join me and say a big thanks to General Prayut for his dedicated services to the country and its people. I am sure he will bode well as the PM and no doubt be successful in his leadership of the country. Also good luck to his successor as the new army chief.

Well done guys....

I don't know why, must be the way I tick inside, but posts like these tend to annoy me almost as much as some of the opposite, negative posts.

Mind you, there's nothing wrong with the post. I've been present at (business) promotion gatherings and they tend to phrase just as positive.

Hi rubl, not a problem, we all have our own views on posts, positive or negative, for me i would rather say it as i feel it, no need to water it down or make it more neutral. Why not praise someone if you feel they deserve it, i do it every day in my working week, as well as slate somebody if they deserve it.

Surely, Expat Girl, you were taking the pist..

[Expat Girl]

I am sure you will all join me and say a big thanks to General Prayut for his dedicated services to the country and its people. I am sure he will bode well as the PM and no doubt be successful in his leadership of the country. Also good luck to his successor as the new army chief.

Well done guys....

I don't know why, must be the way I tick inside, but posts like these tend to annoy me almost as much as some of the opposite, negative posts.

Mind you, there's nothing wrong with the post. I've been present at (business) promotion gatherings and they tend to phrase just as positive.

Hi rubl, not a problem, we all have our own views on posts, positive or negative, for me i would rather say it as i feel it, no need to water it down or make it more neutral. Why not praise someone if you feel they deserve it, i do it every day in my working week, as well as slate somebody if they deserve it.

Surely, Expat Girl, you were taking the pist..

Nope, what i said is what i mean....

[heyexile]

I am sure you will all join me and say a big thanks to General Prayut for his dedicated services to the country and its people. I am sure he will bode well as the PM and no doubt be successful in his leadership of the country. Also good luck to his successor as the new army chief.

Well done guys....

I don't know why, must be the way I tick inside, but posts like these tend to annoy me almost as much as some of the opposite, negative posts.

Mind you, there's nothing wrong with the post. I've been present at (business) promotion gatherings and they tend to phrase just as positive.

Hi rubl, not a problem, we all have our own views on posts, positive or negative, for me i would rather say it as i feel it, no need to water it down or make it more neutral. Why not praise someone if you feel they deserve it, i do it every day in my working week, as well as slate somebody if they deserve it.

Surely, Expat Girl, you were taking the pist..

Nope, what i said is what i mean....

OMB. How about waving the flag for the honest and hard working RTP and the NCPO appointed Police Commissioner General as well? Good luck with your faith in the Army and PM on the road to democracy

.

I`m with you every step of the way.

Edited October 2, 2014 by heyexile