2010 Unrest: Japan again demands answer over reporter's death

[TuskegeeBen]

We all know the soldiers did it. Give them a gun and bullets and they when wild shooting anything that moved. The people at the top should be held responsible for his death. Guess who that is.

Once again bob you have outdone yourself with red hate.

There is no proof that the army shot the Japanese reporter and we all know it.

If the army had been shooting at anything that moved there would have been thousands of deaths including a young child put on top of a barricade as a target by his loving (presumably) father.

Yes there is only one person responsible for all the deaths and injuries and that is the instigator and funder of the riots the convicted criminal on the run overseas.

That same convicted criminal has entered the U.S., on multiple occasions, yet has never been arrested (as a fugitive), despite the extradition treaty.

Edited October 2, 2014 by TuskegeeBen

[rickirs]

Don't the Japanese know that the investigation is over. The reported was found innocent of any wrongdoing.

[AleG]

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I understand you are just in denial. You can not accept the facts. My facts are a hell of a lot better than the man in Dubai was responsible.

p.s. This is my last post on this subject. I'm not going to waste my time here. The Army did it no if's and's or buts about it.

Other people are in denial, because they don't believe in "my facts" and you leave the conversation because you don't want to hear any different. Oh the irony

The fact is (there's no mine or yours in facts, facts are facts) there were armed men within the Red Shirts, armed with similar weapons as the soldiers present there and firing those weapons at the army lines across the protesters. Anyone could have been a victim from a bullet coming from either side once the shooting started. Furthermore, there would not, in all probability, been a shootout in the first place if the armed Red Shirts hadn't gone there to confront the army.

You are uncomfortable facing those facts, so you, Mango Bob, is the one in denial.

[ThailandNoob]

We all know the soldiers did it. Give them a gun and bullets and they when wild shooting anything that moved. The people at the top should be held responsible for his death. Guess who that is.

I'm going to guess that based on your knowledge and view of the events that you were not actually here when it all happened.

I lived and worked in central Bangkok the whole time. I definitely witnessed times when the soldiers were shooting anything that moved.

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[KunMatt]

We all know the soldiers did it. Give them a gun and bullets and they when wild shooting anything that moved. The people at the top should be held responsible for his death. Guess who that is.

I'm going to guess that based on your knowledge and view of the events that you were not actually here when it all happened.

I lived and worked in central Bangkok the whole time. I definitely witnessed times when the soldiers were shooting anything that moved.

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You mean the black shirt militia who were hired by the reds to provoke a battle with the army. Yes, those guys were shooting any and everyone, it's what they were paid to do.

[Jim walker]

Pol.Col. Prasopchoke Prommool he has a very serious looking face and many campaign medals to prove how good he is hardly any space on his jacket for the next load of medals if he can flannel the first secretary of the Japanese embassy he might like to pop down to Koh Tao as the police down there are struggling a bit after a few days since the crime never mind from years ago

[Nickymaster]

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I understand you are just in denial. You can not accept the facts. My facts are a hell of a lot better than the man in Dubai was responsible.

p.s. This is my last post on this subject. I'm not going to waste my time here. The Army did it no if's and's or buts about it.

Other people are in denial, because they don't believe in "my facts" and you leave the conversation because you don't want to hear any different. Oh the irony

The fact is (there's no mine or yours in facts, facts are facts) there were armed men within the Red Shirts, armed with similar weapons as the soldiers present there and firing those weapons at the army lines across the protesters. Anyone could have been a victim from a bullet coming from either side once the shooting started. Furthermore, there would not, in all probability, been a shootout in the first place if the armed Red Shirts hadn't gone there to confront the army.

You are uncomfortable facing those facts, so you, Mango Bob, is the one in denial.

You might have lost Mango Bob there

[chotthee]

The men in black shot the Jap

[anselpixel]

I have photographed Red Shirt activities several times, and I have to say they were very easy to get along with in spite of being a bit wild for mild-mannered white guys like me. Maybe they accidentally shot a journalist: none of us has any way of knowing. From personal experience, I find it hard to believe they would ever do that on purpose.

I have very limited exposure to the other side of the story, and will not speculate.

[emilymat]

You can wait until hell freezes over..........

[KunMatt]

I have photographed Red Shirt activities several times, and I have to say they were very easy to get along with in spite of being a bit wild for mild-mannered white guys like me. Maybe they accidentally shot a journalist: none of us has any way of knowing. From personal experience, I find it hard to believe they would ever do that on purpose.

Really?? These are the exact same people who shot a M79 into SalaDaeng BTS station at rush hour to cause as many civilian casualties as possible. The same people who fired several M79 grenades at civilians far away from the fortified protest site. The same people who setup checkpoints all over the country and stopped members of the public in their cars to beat and rob them. How many innocent people were sniped by the black shirts throughout the protests before the clampdown? How many army soldiers were sniped before the clampdown?

Any of this coming back to you?

Edited October 2, 2014 by KunMatt

[khunjamesjohnson]

You think the red shirts shot grenades to make themselves look bad?

Back home in Chicago politicians throw bricks thru their own windows and claim the other guy did it.

I think that's what happened at Sala Daeng.

There were reports the grenades came from the hospital where army snipers were spotted.

[KunMatt]

You think the red shirts shot grenades to make themselves look bad?

Back home in Chicago politicians throw bricks thru their own windows and claim the other guy did it.

I think that's what happened at Sala Daeng.

There were reports the grenades came from the hospital where army snipers were spotted.

Ok keep wishing the whole thing away if it makes you feel better. You have a lot of bad things to account for though if you really want to defend everything the Reds did and say that every crime that happened is the responsibility of everyone except the reds.

In the beginning the reds denied that the black shirts ever existed dispite there being footage of them shooting at the army during the night of the first clampdown. Now we all know that there was a hired militia there on the side of the reds and some of them have even come forward and offered to sell out the leaders. So why would the reds flat out lie about their existence from the beginning then? It's because the entire protest was one big lie and spun to make them appear like peaceful protesters when in reality they instigated and provoked a month long battle with the army and they should be held totally accountable for every death that happened during their illegal protest.

How any impartial expat can believe any of their lies from that time and defend them to this day is beyond me.

Edited October 2, 2014 by KunMatt

[whybother]

We all know the soldiers did it. Give them a gun and bullets and they when wild shooting anything that moved. The people at the top should be held responsible for his death. Guess who that is.

I'm going to guess that based on your knowledge and view of the events that you were not actually here when it all happened.

I lived and worked in central Bangkok the whole time. I definitely witnessed times when the soldiers were shooting anything that moved.

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The death toll must have in the tens of thousands. Or maybe they weren't shooting at anything that moved?

[whybother]

We all know the soldiers did it. Give them a gun and bullets and they when wild shooting anything that moved. The people at the top should be held responsible for his death. Guess who that is.

Is a police chief held responsible when a policeman shoots accidentally shoots a by stander while shooting at armed gunmen?

Even more to the point, is a police chief held responsible when a by stander is shot by armed gunmen shooting at police?

You may not know to much but any soldier shooting civilian is genesis and any general in charge are responsible for so action (government/dictator)

And any government in Thailand is to be elected or it goes against the low same like the one now

And same like the government in 2010 both not legal both use the king to go around the low I don't think the king have a choice he is very clever man

And it does not matter what we all think the law is for every body to held and protect if not it's not a crime to fight it with every means it takes you see this many places around the world freedom is highly paid some places here to

Stealing land or stealing office one hold prison sentence the other death penalty by the low

I may not know too much, but I do know that no western leader has been charged with murder after soldiers killed civilians in any of the wars in the last couple of decades.

I also know that the Thai government in 2010 was legally elected and didn't use the king to get there.

[AleG]

You think the red shirts shot grenades to make themselves look bad?

Back home in Chicago politicians throw bricks thru their own windows and claim the other guy did it.

I think that's what happened at Sala Daeng.

There were reports the grenades came from the hospital where army snipers were spotted.

No, they shot grenades because they felt it would create fear to further their political goals, irregardless of the injuries and deaths it would cause to innocent people.

They also may just have enjoyed killing their "enemies", as demonstrated by the "War Drum" meeting some months ago where hundreds of Red Shirts local leaders cheered and celebrated the murder of people at an anti-PDRC gathering in Trad.

About the attack on Sala Daeng, the grenades fell in a line aligned with the station, this line pointing at the Lumphini park area occupied by Red Shirts; to fire the grenades from the hospital they would had to fire them at an angle and make them land straight along the length of the station, blindly over and behind the buildings between the hospital and the BTS station, please, do tell why the first scenario is more likely than the second... not to mention how the second scenario would be possible at all.

Besides that this thread is about the events of the night of April 10th, if you wish to pursue the "false flag" explanation for what happened there it will be very interesting to hear your arguments.

[fab4]

We all know the soldiers did it. Give them a gun and bullets and they when wild shooting anything that moved. The people at the top should be held responsible for his death. Guess who that is.

I'm going to guess that based on your knowledge and view of the events that you were not actually here when it all happened.

I lived and worked in central Bangkok the whole time. I definitely witnessed times when the soldiers were shooting anything that moved.

Sent from my IS11T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

The death toll must have in the tens of thousands. Or maybe they weren't shooting at anything that moved?

The usual fatuous excuse for an "argument".

Well it seems this army officer wasn't exactly reacting to having been shot at - he is plainly the aggressor firing live ammunition at UDD protesters and this being on the 9th April, before any order to carry and use live ammunition was issued by CRES.

Not exactly the most disciplined RTA Officer, but very Rambo, got to love the wrap round shades

Edited October 2, 2014 by fab4

[whybother]

The usual fatuous excuse for an "argument".

Well it seems this army officer wasn't exactly reacting to having been shot at - he is plainly the aggressor firing live ammunition at UDD protesters and this being on the 9th April, before any order to carry and use live ammunition was issued by CRES.

Not exactly the most disciplined RTA Officer, but very Rambo, got to love the wrap round shades

For 4 years you've been saying that the first death occurred on the afternoon of April 10, and now you come out with this 20 second video of a police officer shooting at red shirts at point blank range with live ammunition, where there must have been at least half a dozen deaths. Did the death toll suddenly go up another half dozen?

And it's amazing from this 20 second video, where you don't see anything leading up to the policeman firing live ammunition, that you can determine exactly what he was reacting to.

I am really surprised that the video stopped after 20 seconds and didn't continue on showing the bloody bodies of dead red shirts.

Of course, he may have just been a bad shot. Not very Rambo like.

Or maybe you're just talking crap as usual, and he wasn't shooting live ammunition at all.

Edited October 2, 2014 by whybother

[Nickymaster]

We all know the soldiers did it. Give them a gun and bullets and they when wild shooting anything that moved. The people at the top should be held responsible for his death. Guess who that is.

I'm going to guess that based on your knowledge and view of the events that you were not actually here when it all happened.

I lived and worked in central Bangkok the whole time. I definitely witnessed times when the soldiers were shooting anything that moved.

Sent from my IS11T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

You mean the black shirt militia who were hired by the reds to provoke a battle with the army. Yes, those guys were shooting any and everyone, it's what they were paid to do.

Correct. That, and much more, is what I saw living in BKK in 2010.

[rubl]

I was at the yellow shirt and red shirt protests taking pictures.

It was clear the yellows did not like the reports of the foreign journalists.

They claimed journalists were taking the red side.

I think they blew him away to send a message.

They killed an Italian reporter and others were wounded.

And that's why the red-shirts tried to burn down the Channel3 tower and the BangkokPost building was evacuated just in case those friendly people would drop by.

[rubl]

We all know the soldiers did it. Give them a gun and bullets and they when wild shooting anything that moved. The people at the top should be held responsible for his death. Guess who that is.

'wild shooting'? You mean as in Robert A.'s "firing thousands of rounds into a densely packed mass of peaceful protesters"

Or 'wild shooting' as in the near panic retreat while in gunfight with peaceful protesters who had just killed a colonel and staff through some grenade lobbing fun?

[rubl]

Anyway I'm happy everybody and his/her dog is so thrilled to re-enact and rehash and rewrite the events on April 10th, 2010 again.

Keep up the good work, girls and boys

In the mean time, I'm wondering what the Japanese really think about this issue

[Nickymaster]

We all know the soldiers did it. Give them a gun and bullets and they when wild shooting anything that moved. The people at the top should be held responsible for his death. Guess who that is.

I'm going to guess that based on your knowledge and view of the events that you were not actually here when it all happened.

I lived and worked in central Bangkok the whole time. I definitely witnessed times when the soldiers were shooting anything that moved.

Sent from my IS11T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

The death toll must have in the tens of thousands. Or maybe they weren't shooting at anything that moved?

The usual fatuous excuse for an "argument".

Well it seems this army officer wasn't exactly reacting to having been shot at - he is plainly the aggressor firing live ammunition at UDD protesters and this being on the 9th April, before any order to carry and use live ammunition was issued by CRES.

Not exactly the most disciplined RTA Officer, but very Rambo, got to love the wrap round shades

Typical Fab4 propaganda. This video doesn't show the whole picture. Just 20 seconds of action to build your story around. Do you also have videos of the red shirts and their armed militia, the black shirts, shooting and killing officials? You have been building your b/s stories around 1 fairy-tail: The army/police shot first. You have been proven wrong with that numerous times. And that is all you have to defend/justify the mayhem your beloved reds have created in 2010 and beyond. Simply amazing. But then again...

[fab4]

The usual fatuous excuse for an "argument".

Well it seems this army officer wasn't exactly reacting to having been shot at - he is plainly the aggressor firing live ammunition at UDD protesters and this being on the 9th April, before any order to carry and use live ammunition was issued by CRES.

Not exactly the most disciplined RTA Officer, but very Rambo, got to love the wrap round shades

For 4 years you've been saying that the first death occurred on the afternoon of April 10, and now you come out with this 20 second video of a police officer shooting at red shirts at point blank range with live ammunition, where there must have been at least half a dozen deaths. Did the death toll suddenly go up another half dozen?

And it's amazing from this 20 second video, where you don't see anything leading up to the policeman firing live ammunition, that you can determine exactly what he was reacting to.

I am really surprised that the video stopped after 20 seconds and didn't continue on showing the bloody bodies of dead red shirts.

Of course, he may have just been a bad shot. Not very Rambo like.

Or maybe you're just talking crap as usual, and he wasn't shooting live ammunition at all.

I joined the forum in October 2013, but no matter, you only have a passing relationship with reality, so it really is pointless trying to reason with you. I presume you think that army officers are in a habit of carrying starting pistols and he was only there to officiate over the annual UDD three legged race.

Edited October 2, 2014 by fab4

[whybother]

I joined the forum in October 2013, but no matter, you only have a passing relationship with reality, so it really is pointless trying to reason with you. I presume you think that army officers are in a habit of carrying starting pistols and he was only there to officiate over the annual UDD three legged race.

You joined the forum as Fab4 in October 2013 ... ...

Please find one single report of any deaths or even bullet injuries on April 9. I don't know what he was shooting, but there were no deaths or shot gun injuries before April 10. I don't even know where you got your information that he was shooting live ammunition. All you have is 20 seconds of video repeated a couple of times for "effect" of someone losing their cool.

You have no idea what he was reacting to. You have no idea if it was live ammunition. You have no proof of anything. Just a soldier shooting some sort of gun with no deaths or injuries.

You jump to the conclusion that because he probably wasn't shooting a starting pistol that it must have been live ammunition. That's a big step to take given no other evidence of anything. Is it common practice for you to jump to conclusions with no evidence?

[AleG]

I joined the forum in October 2013, but no matter, you only have a passing relationship with reality, so it really is pointless trying to reason with you. I presume you think that army officers are in a habit of carrying starting pistols and he was only there to officiate over the annual UDD three legged race.

Ah yes, around the time PhiPhiDon was banned, wasn't it?

[solstan]

We all know the soldiers did it. Give them a gun and bullets and they when wild shooting anything that moved. The people at the top should be held responsible for his death. Guess who that is.

Is a police chief held responsible when a policeman shoots accidentally shoots a by stander while shooting at armed gunmen?

Even more to the point, is a police chief held responsible when a by stander is shot by armed gunmen shooting at police?

You may not know to much but any soldier shooting civilian is genesis and any general in charge are responsible for so action (government/dictator)

And any government in Thailand is to be elected or it goes against the low same like the one now

And same like the government in 2010 both not legal both use the king to go around the low I don't think the king have a choice he is very clever man

And it does not matter what we all think the law is for every body to held and protect if not it's not a crime to fight it with every means it takes you see this many places around the world freedom is highly paid some places here to

Stealing land or stealing office one hold prison sentence the other death penalty by the low

I may not know too much, but I do know that no western leader has been charged with murder after soldiers killed civilians in any of the wars in the last couple of decades.

I also know that the Thai government in 2010 was legally elected and didn't use the king to get there.

Western or not, pretty close at least ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide

[monolin]

If Japan was that worried about the reporters being murdered with little or no progress of Thailand bring those responsible to justice then why not threaten to pull out Japanese investment? That's the trouble with diplomats ... no balls, just talk.

The truth of the matter ... governments are weak, they are all too concerned about taking care of their own and what they can make. Money makes the world go round

As evidenced by a much higher ranked and more important Japanese official, compared to the one in the OP, who met yesterday with the PM and was recommitting to the shared Japanese/Thai business interests in the Dawei project.

It reflects much more importance to Japan than a lone journalist that put himself in harm's way.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/kyodo-news-international/141002/thai-leader-japanese-govt-official-discuss-economic-co

Oh well, so much for "demanding answers".

Edited October 2, 2014 by monolin

[monolin]

According to the court, the Italian journalist that was covering the Army crackdown on red shirts was also targeted and killed by an Army bullet fired from the direction of the Army.

These murders happened right after my Thai friends told me to stay away from the yellow shirt mob I had been photographing. (I have a big camera)

I ignored my friends advice and went back to take more pictures and several irate yellow shirts came at me and asked if I was a journalist? I hot footed it out of there.

By contrast, I was also taking pictures at the red shirt mob and they invited me in, behind the secure area to photograph Jutaporn and the red leaders.

Can you please link to reports that the Italian reporter was *targeted* by the army.

After you substantiate that allegation, can you share some of your photos of Jatuporn to substantiate that claim?

Edited October 3, 2014 by monolin

[khunjamesjohnson]

According to the court, the Italian journalist that was covering the Army crackdown on red shirts was also targeted and killed by an Army bullet fired from the direction of the Army.

These murders happened right after my Thai friends told me to stay away from the yellow shirt mob I had been photographing. (I have a big camera)

I ignored my friends advice and went back to take more pictures and several irate yellow shirts came at me and asked if I was a journalist? I hot footed it out of there.

By contrast, I was also taking pictures at the red shirt mob and they invited me in, behind the secure area to photograph Jutaporn and the red leaders.

Can you please link to reports that the Italian reporter was *targeted* by the army.

After you substantiate that allegation, can you share some of your photos of Jatuporn to substantiate that claim?

I can show you the photos I took inside the red camp headquarters.

I can also show you pictures of the yellow mob, heavily armed black shirts too.

Baseball bats, spears, machetes, slingshots.

You want to see pics of army snipers positioned up on the sky train tracks?

Have those too.

I got inside the secure area while BBC, CNN etc were held back.