Koh Tao murder report: Prosecutors seek changes

[SeaVisionBurma]

and another troll post removed.

[littlebw]

Is it coincidental that Sean is wearing a punch knife around his neck?

this version shows a little more detail.

This is not of course any kind of proof, but it certainly makes you think. Perhaps it's the kind of thing you wear when you want to fit in with the AC crowd

its a lighter holder

Sean said if HE was to die then is was the AC owner that did it ( killed Sean)

Sean didnt say that they killed Hannah and David

[Krenjai]

Is it coincidental that Sean is wearing a punch knife around his neck?

this version shows a little more detail.

This is not of course any kind of proof, but it certainly makes you think. Perhaps it's the kind of thing you wear when you want to fit in with the AC crowd

Well indeed yes! This would be the kind of thing to wear if you want to fit with the AC crowd. Kinda Cool & the Gang! 18 months on Koh Tao (without Visa runs) & working in a bar (without work permit) is also an indication on the connections of Cool & the Gang. Also, spending this amount of time with Cool & the Gang will also have given him a clear insight in what goes on after dark and I bet you, it ain't a pretty picture. Amazing Koh Tao.

Just read the prison guards in Samui are afraid the Burmese suspects may kill themselves! UH OH! Somebody better do something quickly or we will read a post in the next few days they hang themselves or cut their wrists with a spoon and bled to death.

[ParadiseLost]

The matter of Sean's accusation is being incorrectly interpreted:

The 7-11 incident happened one week later on the 22nd, and he tweeted the message in case the guys chasing him killed him - he clarified it himself - look back to the thread where he left the island. It is also on his soundsomething page.

Bottom line is Sean denies knowledge of anything happening that night and claims he was asleep. End of story.

Sean may talk, but first the guys he is so scared of will implicate him. He's had more than enough time to come clean.

[petercool]

some flame post were removed along with quotes of same

[jdinasia]

Is it coincidental that Sean is wearing a punch knife around his neck?

this version shows a little more detail.

This is not of course any kind of proof, but it certainly makes you think. Perhaps it's the kind of thing you wear when you want to fit in with the AC crowd

As other people have said.. Not a knife

[AGareth2]

it looks like a tooth

going back to what he said

he uses the past tense

"owner of ac bar did it"

did what?

[yougivemebaby]

To me there are only 2 outcomes:

1. The 2 Burmese did it, or

2. If they didn't do it, they have been placed close enough to the scene and time such that at 4 AM they would have seen and/or observed commotion to an extent much more than they seem to have revealed.[/quote

I agree with you. Unless they were forced to say they were there by the police.

[canuckamuck]

Here is Sean`s Google+ page. Alot of pictures from his previous visits to Koh Tao.

https://plus.google.com/101768055405292405319/posts/htdEKCwJcDW?pid=5829060578898717346&oid=101768055405292405319

https://plus.google.com/101768055405292405319/posts/gdRexLAR9Vz

Can anyone make out what the yellow stickers in the background says?

http://i.newsrt.co.uk/upload/news/large/14/39/Js46959413.jpg

Sean also worked at Karma Bar during his previous visits to Koh Tao.

It says: For Sean Where's Chai?

[canuckamuck]

Is it coincidental that Sean is wearing a punch knife around his neck?

this version shows a little more detail.

This is not of course any kind of proof, but it certainly makes you think. Perhaps it's the kind of thing you wear when you want to fit in with the AC crowd

As other people have said.. Not a knife

Thanks for clearing that up, it really made no sense for him to wear a knife, days after a murder.

Edited October 10, 2014 by canuckamuck

[transam]

Hey Sean.............

[bruceybonus]

About time the S.A.S were sent in, the creme de la creme of special forces. I guarantee within 1 hour these mafia weasels would be singing like canaries and implicating all and sundry!

Edited October 10, 2014 by bruceybonus

[GOLDBUGGY]

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Not surprising that the other Burmese migrant workers would not want to believe fellow countrymen had committed the crime.

Such a statment has zero credibility.

Its no different than a Senior Thai Police official suggesting the same about a Thai.

This article offers little useful insight except the interpreter issue. It would be worth clarifying the interviews by having the taped recordings heard by additional Native burmese translators familiar with the same dialect.

I agree 100%!

Especially when your Bread and Butter comes from working their and your work visa could get revoked at any moment because of this.

[Johnsen]

Everybody needs to go and read koh toa revival planned again. A BOMBSHELL HAS JUST BEEN DROPPED

Edited October 10, 2014 by Johnsen

[timewilltell]

Not surprising that the other Burmese migrant workers would not want to believe fellow countrymen had committed the crime.

Such a statment has zero credibility.

Its no different than a Senior Thai Police official suggesting the same about a Thai.

This article offers little useful insight except the interpreter issue. It would be worth clarifying the interviews by having the taped recordings heard by additional Native burmese translators familiar with the same dialect.

Was the interrogation taped?

Even if it wan't, the two suspects readily admit their guilt so it would not be difficult to have them explain themselves to a Native speaker/interpreter.

Are you trying to say that the two suspects had no difficulty admitting their guilt to the police interpreter? I guess you have never been at the receiving end of the misinterpretations and difficulty of getting what you say properly translated. Even if you use your own paid interpreter it is very hard to do and if using a police interpreter then the interpreter will interpret what the police want to hear. In Thailand you don't get to say what you want to say, you get to answer questions the policeman wants to ask and the translation is then adapted to what the policeman wants to write - there is of course no record of what you actually said. The courts follow the same process where lawyers will twist the words of the interpreter and interrupt continuously so only the snippets of evidence they want get heard by the judge.

Now in this case the police interpreter did not even speak the dialect of the accused, there was no record of the 'interview' and the. Whole case and police investigated is suspect around the world. I submit the accused did not understand much of what was being said to them and were persuaded to consent to a report written in Thai and interpreted wrongly. It is a no brainier since the interpreter cannot even speak their language and even if he could the resulting police report will bear little resemblance to what was intended by the accused. Foreigners sign papers in Thai all the time here not knowing what they say except on the translation given to them which is more often than not incomplete and incorrect. Unfortunately afterwards Thais will simply point to the signature of yours as your consent notwithstanding any hocus pocus of deceit that may have occurred. Foreigners are often victims more than guests in Thailand - it is a national past time to get one over on a foreigner.

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[phuketandsee]

Drummond reporting that an investigation is under way in the UK headed by a Detective Chief Inspector Kevin Hayward. Be interesting to see where that goes.

[Dogmatix]

Drummond reporting that an investigation is under way in the UK headed by a Detective Chief Inspector Kevin Hayward. Be interesting to see where that goes.

CSI LA is saying that the family members are entitled under Thai law to demand an independent investigation in Thailand. If they did, that should involve the DSI and Khunying Pornthip's Central Institute of Forensic Science, both part of the Justice Ministry and supposedly independent of the police, although the DSI is staffed by people transferred from the police and has become politicicised. Pornthip is certainly independent of the police, who hate her guts, and has been known to bring in foreign pathologists to give expert opinions in trials. In the Leo del Pinto murder case the DSI was brought in to conduct an independent enquiry by petitioning the National Human Rights Centre in Thailand. They have already visited the two suspects in Samui.

Edited October 10, 2014 by Dogmatix

[canuckamuck]

Yes but Dr. Pornthip is a darling of the army it seems so there still could be bias. I hope not, Thailand could sure use a bit of fair and honest justice about now.

Edited October 10, 2014 by canuckamuck

[tirak333]

i did not know sean is in italy, i thought he is in england, and was wondering why english police didnt question him. i believe that sean was involved, poberly he was the week point and therefor the guys from ac bar theaten to kill him if he going to talk about, what happen. sorry my english is to bad, i cannot find the right words. and as somebody said he worked without workpermit in an bar, this he can only do if he was protected by the thais there. i know thailand and his mafia first hand. i also know some people who killed somebody but money protectet them of long jail terms. one guy in phuket killed in the early 90ties a german woman bec. they did business together and he cheadet her for the money and so on, he was in jail for only 3 month and is now a big business man in phuket. this is only one example and i could tell so many more.and before the army took over, the post of beeing the head of patong/phuket police cost 30.000.000 bath. means, who wantet to get the job, had to come up with this amount. so you can see how police in thailand works, but anyway all of you seem to know it anyway

[MyFriend You]

"However, both suspects insisted [to me] that they had committed the crimes," said the human-rights commissioner.

Just asking but..........does that statement not sound really strange to you ? I mean insisted ?

A million baht apiece from a Village big wig for their families back home, confess to the murders saying they were on Ya Baa and didn't know what they were doing, a prison term of about four years because the murder of the Farang Male was self defense - he attacked them while they were violating the lady.........So Nam Nah..............

[SteveFong]

I followed the 1990's US investigation and failed prosecution of OJ Simpson following the murder of his wife and her friend if you really want to read about a botched case.

The OJ case was more of a manipulation of the 12 person jury system, as all they needed was one to hold up the conviction and cause a mistrial

[boomerangutang]

Drummond reporting that an investigation is under way in the UK headed by a Detective Chief Inspector Kevin Hayward. Be interesting to see where that goes.

Another recent post claimed that Brit forensics might have a report in January. That's quite awhile in the future. I wish they'd hurry up on it. Those Burmese scapegoats could be snuffed out any night now ('suicide from remorse' ...uh huh).

Regardless, Thai officials are not going to let outsiders sully their careers, which is what would happen if it was found their crime scene DNA declarations were part of a frame-up. Does anyone think with a straight face that Thai officials are going to allow farang unfettered access to all clues and suspects? The more REAL data gets revealed in this case (mostly by social media folks), the worse it looks for the police frame-up.

[jdinasia]

Drummond reporting that an investigation is under way in the UK headed by a Detective Chief Inspector Kevin Hayward. Be interesting to see where that goes.

Another recent post claimed that Brit forensics might have a report in January. That's quite awhile in the future. I wish they'd hurry up on it. Those Burmese scapegoats could be snuffed out any night now ('suicide from remorse' ...uh huh).

Regardless, Thai officials are not going to let outsiders sully their careers, which is what would happen if it was found their crime scene DNA declarations were part of a frame-up. Does anyone think with a straight face that Thai officials are going to allow farang unfettered access to all clues and suspects? The more REAL data gets revealed in this case (mostly by social media folks), the worse it looks for the police frame-up.

Did you really use "real" and "social media" in the same sentence?

[dcutman]

In the BKK Post it is being reported that the prosecutor has yet again returned returned the police report, to have the police " fill holes in the case". The once 850 page report is down to 300 pages now, should be much easier to amend.

[JoeLing]

Here are some pictures of Sean in the 7\11 store at the time he posted his facebook messages:

https://democracyforburma.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/10390481_10152766777744701_6800787255986652101_n.jpg

https://democracyforburma.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/1384305_10152354526531641_4977398476631894262_n.jpg

https://democracyforburma.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/10632585_739840516063630_5480837041902011187_n.jpg

Not quite sure why people keep pointing at those LM cigarettes on that Picture?

Absolute irrelevant.

[CockneyGit]

"However, both suspects insisted [to me] that they had committed the crimes," said the human-rights commissioner.

Just asking but..........does that statement not sound really strange to you ? I mean insisted ?

Yes it sounds extremely strange, considering the fact they recanted their confession.

They recanted? You mean they no longer admit guilt now that they have been provided an International Defense Team by Human rights Groups?

No, they recanted when they were allowed to talk to someone who wasn't beating the sh*t out of them.

[Farma]

Skynews is reporting Thai police deny suspects in the murder have withdrawn their confessions insisting they have "concrete" evidence of their charge.

[mojorison]

Skynews is reporting Thai police deny suspects in the murder have withdrawn their confessions insisting they have "concrete" evidence of their charge.

Looks like there's gonna be a lynching boys. Yeee haaaa.

[JoeLing]

Skynews is reporting Thai police deny suspects in the murder have withdrawn their confessions insisting they have "concrete" evidence of their charge.

Probably bamboo reinforced concrete

[ParadiseLost]

In the BKK Post it is being reported that the prosecutor has yet again returned returned the police report, to have the police " fill holes in the case". The once 850 page report is down to 300 pages now, should be much easier to amend.

Interesting to hear what was contained in those 500 irrelevant pages!

An inside source said they removed all the photo's of police pointing to evidence, the scenery, each other, tourists (in bikinis) and soi dogs. Also some pages copied twice from the internet.