Bredbury Blue Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 (edited) If it's within required standards and guidelines for a team competing in the Premier and in uefa competions, then there can be no gripes. And I only claimed that "our squad wages are predicted to be 3rd highest for the season ended" no more. Edited June 4, 2016 by Bredbury Blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 If it's within required standards and guidelines for a team competing in the Premier and in uefa competions, then there can be no gripes. And I only claimed that "our squad wages are predicted to be 3rd highest for the season ended" no more. All I did was correct your quote using info from the link. If added you would be about £50m more than anyone else. So not much eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 The fascination with City's riches eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 The fascination with City's riches eh. Not to be pedantic but it's the inability of buying clubs to pay the same wages we were talking about. I'm always happy to remind you BB...I know you're not as young as you once were. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Alfredo is on his holidays before you ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Not to be pedantic but we were talking about "They (City) pay huge wages that hardly anyone else can afford to pay" which isn't correct; I reckon City, ManU, Arsenal and Chelsea are all the same level and each of those teams can pay similar wages. You're definitely right I'm getting decrepit. Good to hear Alfie is still on his hols. ;-) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Not to be pedantic but we were talking about "They (City) pay huge wages that hardly anyone else can afford to pay" which isn't correct; I reckon City, ManU, Arsenal and Chelsea are all the same level and each of those teams can pay similar wages. You're definitely right I'm getting decrepit. Good to hear Alfie is still on his hols. ;-) . Not all of us have a chairman who can tell his brother or whatever to spunk in an absurd amount of money for sponsorship. But it all comes out of the same pockets: The poor, repressed citizens of Abu Dhabi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted June 5, 2016 Author Share Posted June 5, 2016 The fascination with City's riches eh. Not to be pedantic but it's the inability of buying clubs to pay the same wages we were talking about. Wayne Rooney is the highest paid in the prem and United have been paying the highest wages for years. We, Arsenal and Chelsea etc HAVE to pay big money to compete with what United set the bar at. So why is this conversation even happening on the City thread? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 The fascination with City's riches eh.Not to be pedantic but it's the inability of buying clubs to pay the same wages we were talking about. Wayne Rooney is the highest paid in the prem and United have been paying the highest wages for years. We, Arsenal and Chelsea etc HAVE to pay big money to compete with what United set the bar at. So why is this conversation even happening on the City thread? Always comes back to what united are doing with you lot, we spend our own money and are one of the richest clubs in the world with untold revenue coming in if course we pay big wages we can, we are not a play thing for some rich Arab who can spunk millions like you lot, you lot raised the bar way above everyone else so don't just blame united.I would be pissed off if I was a Liverpool spurs arsenal or any other club fan seeing you lot and Chelsea jumping ahead due to having untold money from rich owners denying the historically self funded big clubs a chance to progress due to being denied champions league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 The fascination with City's riches eh. Your owners riches not city's get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Not to be pedantic but we were talking about "They (City) pay huge wages that hardly anyone else can afford to pay" which isn't correct; I reckon City, ManU, Arsenal and Chelsea are all the same level and each of those teams can pay similar wages. You're definitely right I'm getting decrepit. Good to hear Alfie is still on his hols. ;-) . Not all of us have a chairman who can tell his brother or whatever to spunk in an absurd amount of money for sponsorship. But it all comes out of the same pockets: The poor, repressed citizens of Abu Dhabi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 The fascination with City's riches eh.Your owners riches not city's get it right. Nope, think you'll find it's fascination with Manchester City FC and what the club does or doesn't do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted June 5, 2016 Author Share Posted June 5, 2016 The fascination with City's riches eh.Not to be pedantic but it's the inability of buying clubs to pay the same wages we were talking about. Wayne Rooney is the highest paid in the prem and United have been paying the highest wages for years. We, Arsenal and Chelsea etc HAVE to pay big money to compete with what United set the bar at. So why is this conversation even happening on the City thread? Always comes back to what united are doing with you lot, we spend our own money and are one of the richest clubs in the world with untold revenue coming in if course we pay big wages we can, we are not a play thing for some rich Arab who can spunk millions like you lot, you lot raised the bar way above everyone else so don't just blame united.I would be pissed off if I was a Liverpool spurs arsenal or any other club fan seeing you lot and Chelsea jumping ahead due to having untold money from rich owners denying the historically self funded big clubs a chance to progress due to being denied champions league. You don't like not being Kings of the Castle and having competition do you nev. All this "our own money" spiel is pure garbage. Your owners borrowed what was it, over £700 million and you still have £380.5 million of debt. It might even be more as your bottom line was about £45 million worse than last year. I think you made a loss of £4 million. We've been funded by a rich owner who has invested heavily with a clear business plan to get us into profit and thus spending money that we generate ourselves. There is no difference ethically with that, to you being funded by American Hedge Funds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted June 5, 2016 Author Share Posted June 5, 2016 Always comes back to what united are doing with you lot, we spend our own money and are one of the richest clubs in the world Actually nev, you are going to have to stop spouting off that tosh. It's old news and factually incorrect. Not only are we catching up with you on revenue but you are debt ridden to the tune of $510m, whereas we are "Completely debt free and posted $15.2 million profit after tax" Source:- http://www.totalsportek.com/football/clubs-with-the-most-debt/ Have a read. So it's us who should be giving you lot grief for spending more than you make, whereas we spend our own money now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Nev? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 The fascination with City's riches eh.Not to be pedantic but it's the inability of buying clubs to pay the same wages we were talking about. Wayne Rooney is the highest paid in the prem and United have been paying the highest wages for years. We, Arsenal and Chelsea etc HAVE to pay big money to compete with what United set the bar at. So why is this conversation even happening on the City thread? Always comes back to what united are doing with you lot, we spend our own money and are one of the richest clubs in the world with untold revenue coming in if course we pay big wages we can, we are not a play thing for some rich Arab who can spunk millions like you lot, you lot raised the bar way above everyone else so don't just blame united.I would be pissed off if I was a Liverpool spurs arsenal or any other club fan seeing you lot and Chelsea jumping ahead due to having untold money from rich owners denying the historically self funded big clubs a chance to progress due to being denied champions league. And YOU call US the Bitters! Having a hardtime adjusting to the present. You'll get used to it, give it time. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 The fascination with City's riches eh.Not to be pedantic but it's the inability of buying clubs to pay the same wages we were talking about. Wayne Rooney is the highest paid in the prem and United have been paying the highest wages for years. We, Arsenal and Chelsea etc HAVE to pay big money to compete with what United set the bar at. So why is this conversation even happening on the City thread? Always comes back to what united are doing with you lot, we spend our own money and are one of the richest clubs in the world with untold revenue coming in if course we pay big wages we can, we are not a play thing for some rich Arab who can spunk millions like you lot, you lot raised the bar way above everyone else so don't just blame united.I would be pissed off if I was a Liverpool spurs arsenal or any other club fan seeing you lot and Chelsea jumping ahead due to having untold money from rich owners denying the historically self funded big clubs a chance to progress due to being denied champions league. You don't like not being Kings of the Castle and having competition do you nev. All this "our own money" spiel is pure garbage. Your owners borrowed what was it, over £700 million and you still have £380.5 million of debt. It MIGHT even be more as your bottom line was about £45 million worse than last year. I THINK you made a loss of £4 million. We've been funded by a rich owner who has invested heavily with a clear business plan to get us into profit and thus spending money that we generate ourselves. There is no difference ethically with that, to you being funded by American Hedge Funds. Great what fiddling the books can do, our debt is very manageable, do you know our income from turnover at the turnstiles is only a mere 4% of our total income just shows how much sponsorship we have. We are not being funded by a hedge funds where you get that from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 Great what fiddling the books can do, our debt is very manageable, do you know our income from turnover at the turnstiles is only a mere 4% of our total income just shows how much sponsorship we have. It doesn't really matter that you think City are fiddling the books. The books are the books and the fact we are back in profit means that should our owner decide to leave, we are not saddled with debt that we would have to repay him (unlike Chelsea). We are financially in a very good position. I didn't mention turnstiles, I said turnover and sponsorship is part of turnover. Either way, I don't mind your debt nev, I know you can pay it back. What gets my Goat is when people call us for "not spending our own money" when the 4 so-called biggest and richest clubs in the world have huge debts. And so they are not spending their own money either. We are not being funded by a hedge funds where you get that from. American Hedge Funds own most of the debt that you pay huge interest rates to. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/6969460/Manchester-Uniteds-debt-six-key-questions.html https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/sep/18/glazers-manchester-united-15m-dividend-greg-dyke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Manchester City Accounts of Manchester City Limited for the year to 31 May 2015 • Ownership Wholly owned by Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, via the Abu Dhabi United Group Investment and Development, registered in Abu Dhabi • Turnover 2nd highest in League £352m, up from £347m in 2014 • Income Gate and match-day income £43m; TV and broadcasting, Uefa £33m; TV and broadcasting, other £103m; Commercial £173m • Wage bill 3rd highest in League £194m, down from £205m in 2014 • Wages as proportion of turnover 55% • Profit before tax £10m, following £23m loss in 2014 • Net debt £0 (£8m cash balance) • Interest payable £1.3m Manchester UnitedAccounts for Manchester United Plc, for the year to 30 June 2015 • Ownership Owned by the Glazer family via Red Football LLC, a company registered in the low-tax state of Nevada, USA. United is now registered in the Cayman Islands tax haven and listed on the New York Stock Exchange • Turnover 1st in League £395m, down from £433m in 2014 • Income Gate and match-day income £91m; TV and broadcasting £108m; Commercial £197m • Wage bill 2nd highest in League £203m, down from £215m in 2014 • Wages as proportion of turnover 51% • Loss before tax -£4m, following £41m profit in 2014 • Net debt £255m • Interest and finance costs £35m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRed Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 I love close seaon thank fark there is the Euro's for a month United city And always will be and i aint even talking about the money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 United city And always will be and i aint even talking about the money. Don't be too cock sure of that Red. When was the last time Old Trafford had this many empty seats for the last game of the season? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 (edited) I would wager that there weren't as many empty seats for the original game that was abandoned ! Do you really think that empty seats will be a feature once Mourinho + Ibrahimovic + + + settle in ? Edited June 6, 2016 by Jip99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 I would wager that there weren't as many empty seats for the original game that was abandoned ! ? That's not answering the question jip. MrRed was saying United will always be bigger than City and all I was saying was don't be too cock sure. I don't remember ever seeing empty seats like that at OT for the final game of the season. It probably shows how many non Manchester supporters you really have. These non local supporters can be very fickle and start supporting other teams at the drop of a hat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 So it's us who should be giving you lot grief for spending more than you make, whereas we spend our own money now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 I don't remember ever seeing empty seats like that at OT for the final game of the season. Roadworks on the M1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 I don't remember ever seeing empty seats like that at OT for the final game of the season. Roadworks on the M1? Probably. And international flight delays caused by volcanic ash or the likes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 (edited) ^United city And always will be and i aint even talking about the money. Not in Manchester. ..maybe in larndon, Ireland, scandanavia though. Jesus Red, you're bringing me down to your level now. Edited June 6, 2016 by Bredbury Blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 So it's us who should be giving you lot grief for spending more than you make, whereas we spend our own money now. I'm glad you find it so funny Chic. How much are you in debt again. $320m http://www.totalsportek.com/football/clubs-with-the-most-debt/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted June 6, 2016 Share Posted June 6, 2016 Not even close, but at least we've never needed some rich Arab to buy our success with other people's money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted June 6, 2016 Author Share Posted June 6, 2016 Not even close, How much then? Provide a link with the figure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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