NLA to discuss impeachment motions against former Senate President, House Speaker

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NLA to discuss impeachment motions against former Senate President, House Speaker
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The National Legislative Assembly's whip has announced that the NLA will reopen discussions on impeachment motions against the former Senate President and the former House Speaker next month.

NLA member Jate Sirataranont, in his capacity as the NLA whip, said the assembly had decided to allow the NLA to deliberate on November 6 the National Anti-Corruption Commission's motion to impeach former parliament vice president Nikom Wairatpanij and former parliament president Somsak Kiatsuranont and decide whether the Assembly should accept the case or not.

A vote would be taken to determine whether the NLA would take up the motions, said Jate.

The impeachment motion against former Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is being considered and a final decision will be announced later by the NLA President, Jate added.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/NLA-to-discuss-impeachment-motions-against-former--30246496.html


-- The Nation 2014-10-29

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NLA to vote on impeachment motions on November 6

BANGKOK, 30 Oct 2014 (NNT) - The NLA Whip has announced that the NLA will reopen discussions on impeachment motions against the former Senate President and the former House Speaker.

National Legislative Assembly (NLA) member Dr. Jate Sirataranont, in his capacity as the NLA Whip, disclosed that the NLA had made a decision to allow the Assembly to deliberate the National Anti-corruption Commission (NACC)’s motion to impeach former Senate President Nikom Wairatpanij and former House Speaker Somsak Kiatsuranont to decide whether the NLA should accept the case.

A vote would be taken on November 6th to determine whether the NLA would take up the motions, according to the NLA whip.

The NLA had spent 15 days discussing whether the NLA had the authority of impeachment.

The impeachment motion against former Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is being considered and a final decision will be announced by the NLA President, Dr. Jate added.


-- NNT 2014-10-29

[RustBucket]

Whether they do it now or later when they have a full constitution is neither here nor there.

The fact of the matter is that they WILL be impeached eventually and so sooner rather than later.

[webfact]

NLA to hold special meeting on Yingluck impeachment next month
By Digital Content



BANGKOK, Oct 29 -- The National Legislative Assembly (NLA) will convene a special meeting November 12 to consider the proposal to impeach former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra.

Assembly President Pornpetch Wichitcholchai said he would put the issue on the assembly's agenda in its special meeting on November 12.

The National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) has proposed to impeach Ms Yingluck for her roles in the rice-pledging scheme.

The agency submitted the proposal to the assembly two weeks ago.

The NLA president said the Anti-Corruption Commission found that Ms Yingluck had acted in violation of Section 178 of the 2007 constitution, Section 111 of the National Administrative Regulations and Section 158 of the Organic Law on National Corruption Prevention and Suppression.

Copies of relevant documents were already sent to Ms Yingluck and all NLA members.

Mr Pornpetch denied criticism that there was an attempt to delay the impeachment consideration.

The NLA will meet November 6 to discuss if it is authorised to impeach former senate speaker Nikhom Wairatpanich and former parliament president Somsak Kiatsuranon for their allegedly unlawful advocated the Constitutional amendment concerning the composition of the Senate. (MCOT online news)


-- TNA 2014-10-29

[Mister Fixit]

Don't hold your breath, guys ...

[Robespiere]

If these unelected appointed lackies had any sense of shame they wouldn't dare sit in the peoples house (parliament) without the peoples consent.

They are staining their family's name for generations to come by doing so.

I hope history treats them and their progeny as harshly as they deserve to be treated.

[gamini]

If these unelected appointed lackies had any sense of shame they wouldn't dare sit in the peoples house (parliament) without the peoples consent.

They are staining their family's name for generations to come by doing so.

I hope history treats them and their progeny as harshly as they deserve to be treated.

Who cares what you personally think. So far the majority of Thais support the efforts of the military.

[Robespiere]

If these unelected appointed lackies had any sense of shame they wouldn't dare sit in the peoples house (parliament) without the peoples consent.

They are staining their family's name for generations to come by doing so.

I hope history treats them and their progeny as harshly as they deserve to be treated.

Who cares what you personally think. So far the majority of Thais support the efforts of the military.

By some accounts it's not just the majority, it's an overwhelming majority of 93.3% in love with the Junta.

It puzzles me as to why they're so scared of elections.

Does it puzzle you?

[Local Drunk]

If these unelected appointed lackies had any sense of shame they wouldn't dare sit in the peoples house (parliament) without the peoples consent.

They are staining their family's name for generations to come by doing so.

I hope history treats them and their progeny as harshly as they deserve to be treated.

Who cares what you personally think. So far the majority of Thais support the efforts of the military.

By some accounts it's not just the majority, it's an overwhelming majority of 93.3% in love with the Junta.

It puzzles me as to why they're so scared of elections.

Does it puzzle you?

The numbers are trying your intellect, aren't they?

No, I'm not puzzled about that at all.

[sjaak327]

If these unelected appointed lackies had any sense of shame they wouldn't dare sit in the peoples house (parliament) without the peoples consent.

They are staining their family's name for generations to come by doing so.

I hope history treats them and their progeny as harshly as they deserve to be treated.

Who cares what you personally think. So far the majority of Thais support the efforts of the military.

By some accounts it's not just the majority, it's an overwhelming majority of 93.3% in love with the Junta.

It puzzles me as to why they're so scared of elections.

Does it puzzle you?

The numbers are trying your intellect, aren't they?

No, I'm not puzzled about that at all.

Of course one needs to be puzzled, as elections would bring back the previous lot, not this lot, they wouldn't have a chance in hell and they know it.

One must be wondering why anyone could misread the feelings of quite a large portion of their host country's electorate. And it's not like those election results haven't been consistent !

I understand one needs a few excuses to justify this lot, but quite frankly they have precious little factual basis.

But don't let me stop you from iterating the propaganda, after all that is all one can fall back on, for the rest this lot is undemocratic and illegal. Corruption at it's finest if you will.

[ginjag]

By some accounts it's not just the majority, it's an overwhelming majority of 93.3% in love with the Junta.

It puzzles me as to why they're so scared of elections.

Does it puzzle you?

The numbers are trying your intellect, aren't they?

No, I'm not puzzled about that at all.

Of course one needs to be puzzled, as elections would bring back the previous lot, not this lot, they wouldn't have a chance in hell and they know it.

One must be wondering why anyone could misread the feelings of quite a large portion of their host country's electorate. And it's not like those election result haven't been consistent !

Years ago I used to drink Bacardi.................. Wait a year and eat your words, one word codswallop.

[Emster23]

I doubt approval rating would be 93% if free speech and free press were operative here. I know Thais generally don't like to ask follow up questions, but....

And isn't this impeachment hunt beating a dead horse? If they look around, they may notice those on the block are not there any more. Run out by coup or resigned earlier, dissolved whatever to bow to elite inspired rabble lead by demagogue in order to have messiah on white horse show up and save them from themselves. I love Thailand!

[sjaak327]

By some accounts it's not just the majority, it's an overwhelming majority of 93.3% in love with the Junta.

It puzzles me as to why they're so scared of elections.

Does it puzzle you?

The numbers are trying your intellect, aren't they?

No, I'm not puzzled about that at all.

Of course one needs to be puzzled, as elections would bring back the previous lot, not this lot, they wouldn't have a chance in hell and they know it.

One must be wondering why anyone could misread the feelings of quite a large portion of their host country's electorate. And it's not like those election result haven't been consistent !

Years ago I used to drink Bacardi.................. Wait a year and eat your words, one word codswallop.

What's wrong with Bacardi ? Taste a hell of a lot better than sangsom. There is no chance whatsoever that I have to eat my words, history will repeat itself.

By the way, one year is out of the Window, your coup friends are now moving the goalpost to 2016, with no clear promise they would make that. It would be quite easy to do, reinstate the 1997 constitution and call it a day.

The 2007 constitution is a perfect example why militairy rule is the worst that can happen in any country, Thailand most definitely included, what a piss poor job they did.

[sjaak327]

I doubt approval rating would be 93% if free speech and free press were operative here. I know Thais generally don't like to ask follow up questions, but....

And isn't this impeachment hunt beating a dead horse? If they look around, they may notice those on the block are not there any more. Run out by coup or resigned earlier, dissolved whatever to bow to elite inspired rabble lead by demagogue in order to have messiah on white horse show up and save them from themselves. I love Thailand!

Precisely they are indeed beating a dead horse, a pure waste of tax payer money. But hey, at least the coup supporters have something to ne glad about, as there is precious little otherwise.

[Robespiere]

If these unelected appointed lackies had any sense of shame they wouldn't dare sit in the peoples house (parliament) without the peoples consent.

They are staining their family's name for generations to come by doing so.

I hope history treats them and their progeny as harshly as they deserve to be treated.

Who cares what you personally think. So far the majority of Thais support the efforts of the military.

By some accounts it's not just the majority, it's an overwhelming majority of 93.3% in love with the Junta.

It puzzles me as to why they're so scared of elections.

Does it puzzle you?

The numbers are trying your intellect, aren't they?

No, I'm not puzzled about that at all.

You're not at all puzzled that a group that believes it has the support of 93.3% of the population is scared of elections?

What possible reason could there be for not calling an election, winning in a landslide, ending martial law and censorship and rejoining the world's democracies?

Could they be rather afraid that the true level of their support is in fact much, much lower than the propaganda?

At the peak of Thaksin's popularity the Democrat vote sunk to 16.1% of the popular vote - I would suggest this figure, the died in the wool supporter level, is much closer to the true level of popularity (or lack thereof) of pro-coup Thais.

[rickirs]

It seems ludicrous that an unelected body composed largely of active and retired military, appointed by a military Junta that overthrew an elected government, abolished the Constitution, and rules by absolute power, would have the legal, moral and ethical right to judge ANYONE of ANY crime. The NLA only has legal legitimacy because the Junta allows it.

How can anyone associated with this government engage in political reform while they are engaged themselves in equal or worse acts of conflict of interest, abuse of power, and political malfeasance? Unfortunately for leaders of an elected democratic government, they do not have the power of a Junta to grant themselves amensty as the Junta had through its self-created Interim Charter.

If people want accountability, they must hold themselves to the same accountability. Judge others as you would yourself.

[rubl]

Apart from the 'legal' issues, are the two guilty as charged?

[ginjag]

The numbers are trying your intellect, aren't they?

No, I'm not puzzled about that at all.

Of course one needs to be puzzled, as elections would bring back the previous lot, not this lot, they wouldn't have a chance in hell and they know it.

One must be wondering why anyone could misread the feelings of quite a large portion of their host country's electorate. And it's not like those election result haven't been consistent !

Years ago I used to drink Bacardi.................. Wait a year and eat your words, one word codswallop.

What's wrong with Bacardi ? Taste a hell of a lot better than sangsom. There is no chance whatsoever that I have to eat my words, history will repeat itself.

By the way, one year is out of the Window, your coup friends are now moving the goalpost to 2016, with no clear promise they would make that. It would be quite easy to do, reinstate the 1997 constitution and call it a day.

The 2007 constitution is a perfect example why militairy rule is the worst that can happen in any country, Thailand most definitely included, what a piss poor job they did.

My reckoning is that Nov2015-Feb 2016 is not moving it 1 year more---unless your Bacardi is working different.

The amnesty ???

Your history is just That HISTORY. don't fool yourself into thinking what the minority thinks on here.

[ginjag]

I doubt approval rating would be 93% if free speech and free press were operative here. I know Thais generally don't like to ask follow up questions, but....

And isn't this impeachment hunt beating a dead horse? If they look around, they may notice those on the block are not there any more. Run out by coup or resigned earlier, dissolved whatever to bow to elite inspired rabble lead by demagogue in order to have messiah on white horse show up and save them from themselves. I love Thailand!

Precisely they are indeed beating a dead horse, a pure waste of tax payer money. But hey, at least the coup supporters have something to ne glad about, as there is precious little otherwise.

You have the gall to say the PM is wasting tax payers money ???? crazy thinking----RICE TABLETS oooodles more.

[fab4]

Apart from the 'legal' issues, are the two guilty as charged?

I don't think you can just disregard the "legal" issues, rubl.

So an appointed NLA (resulting from an overthrow of the democratic rule with the King as Head of State, itself an illegal act under Section 68 of the 2007 Constitution, since abrogated by the latest coup), under Article 6 of the new 2014 provisional constitution which states clearly that the NLA must act as the Senate, the House of Representatives, and the Parliament (and probably Lord High Executioner for all we know) are deemed legally able to impeach a former Senate President and House Speaker, quoting breaches of the former constitution that had been thrown out by the Junta that appointed the NLA in the first place......................seems reasonable .

Oh, and their "crime"?

The NACC has wanted to impeach Nikhom and Somkiat for their role in abetting and supporting the attempt of then MPs of the Pheu Thai and coalition parties and senators to amend the Constitution to change the composition of the Senate

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/graft-buster-insists-pursuing-impeachment-case-former-house-senate-speakers-nla/

Tell me rubl, if they are supposedly "guilty", do you think that it is an impeachable offence to amend the constitution (having followed the guidelines laid down by the Constitutional Court)?

Really?

[Baerboxer]

If these unelected appointed lackies had any sense of shame they wouldn't dare sit in the peoples house (parliament) without the peoples consent.

They are staining their family's name for generations to come by doing so.

I hope history treats them and their progeny as harshly as they deserve to be treated.

But it's ok for one family to lie, cheat, steal, and have numerous members convicted for fraud.

[Robespiere]

If these unelected appointed lackies had any sense of shame they wouldn't dare sit in the peoples house (parliament) without the peoples consent.

They are staining their family's name for generations to come by doing so.

I hope history treats them and their progeny as harshly as they deserve to be treated.

But it's ok for one family to lie, cheat, steal, and have numerous members convicted for fraud.

There isn't a politician alive who hasn't been accused of lying, cheating and stealing. In most instances, like this one, the accusations are baseless.

Much the same as baseless accusations, rigged convictions don't count either.

(BTW - I have assumed it is the Shinawatras you are talking about and not some other Thai family)

[ginjag]

If these unelected appointed lackies had any sense of shame they wouldn't dare sit in the peoples house (parliament) without the peoples consent.

They are staining their family's name for generations to come by doing so.

I hope history treats them and their progeny as harshly as they deserve to be treated.

Who cares what you personally think. So far the majority of Thais support the efforts of the military.

By some accounts it's not just the majority, it's an overwhelming majority of 93.3% in love with the Junta.

It puzzles me as to why they're so scared of elections.

Does it puzzle you?

Ridiculous post---"scared of elections" They prevented an election to save the poor Thai electorate of making a mega blunder again-------Now is different with all PTP 3 years of total neglect, thai have come a long way in a short time.

WAIT for elections, with condoning most of what PTP did now you have now got to eat your own stuffing.

[ginjag]

If these unelected appointed lackies had any sense of shame they wouldn't dare sit in the peoples house (parliament) without the peoples consent.

They are staining their family's name for generations to come by doing so.

I hope history treats them and their progeny as harshly as they deserve to be treated.

But it's ok for one family to lie, cheat, steal, and have numerous members convicted for fraud.

There isn't a politician alive who hasn't been accused of lying, cheating and stealing. In most instances, like this one, the accusations are baseless.

Much the same as baseless accusations, rigged convictions don't count either.

(BTW - I have assumed it is the Shinawatras you are talking about and not some other Thai family)

All politically motivated isn't it ??? Shins are good at this excuse, problem is far too many are aware of it, and is water off a ducks back.

[sjaak327]

The numbers are trying your intellect, aren't they?

No, I'm not puzzled about that at all.

Of course one needs to be puzzled, as elections would bring back the previous lot, not this lot, they wouldn't have a chance in hell and they know it.

One must be wondering why anyone could misread the feelings of quite a large portion of their host country's electorate. And it's not like those election result haven't been consistent !

Years ago I used to drink Bacardi.................. Wait a year and eat your words, one word codswallop.

What's wrong with Bacardi ? Taste a hell of a lot better than sangsom. There is no chance whatsoever that I have to eat my words, history will repeat itself.

By the way, one year is out of the Window, your coup friends are now moving the goalpost to 2016, with no clear promise they would make that. It would be quite easy to do, reinstate the 1997 constitution and call it a day.

The 2007 constitution is a perfect example why militairy rule is the worst that can happen in any country, Thailand most definitely included, what a piss poor job they did.

My reckoning is that Nov2015-Feb 2016 is not moving it 1 year more---unless your Bacardi is working different.

The amnesty ???

Your history is just That HISTORY. don't fool yourself into thinking what the minority thinks on here.

Elections somwhere in 2015 have been changed to somewhere in 2016. Why the delay, why the need to draft yet another crappy constitution ? There is nothing wrong with the 1997 constitution and the way it was introduced. Truely a people's constitution.

I have no idea what the minority thinks on here, and don't see the relevance. To state that PT would not win the next election, providing they have a level playing field is ignoring reality. You must not know many Thai people and probably have very little Thai friends.

[whybother]

What's wrong with Bacardi ? Taste a hell of a lot better than sangsom. There is no chance whatsoever that I have to eat my words, history will repeat itself.

By the way, one year is out of the Window, your coup friends are now moving the goalpost to 2016, with no clear promise they would make that. It would be quite easy to do, reinstate the 1997 constitution and call it a day.

The 2007 constitution is a perfect example why militairy rule is the worst that can happen in any country, Thailand most definitely included, what a piss poor job they did.

What was the difference between the 1997 constitution and the 2007 constitution?

[sjaak327]

If these unelected appointed lackies had any sense of shame they wouldn't dare sit in the peoples house (parliament) without the peoples consent.

They are staining their family's name for generations to come by doing so.

I hope history treats them and their progeny as harshly as they deserve to be treated.

Who cares what you personally think. So far the majority of Thais support the efforts of the military.

By some accounts it's not just the majority, it's an overwhelming majority of 93.3% in love with the Junta.

It puzzles me as to why they're so scared of elections.

Does it puzzle you?

Ridiculous post---"scared of elections" They prevented an election to save the poor Thai electorate of making a mega blunder again-------Now is different with all PTP 3 years of total neglect, thai have come a long way in a short time.

WAIT for elections, with condoning most of what PTP did now you have now got to eat your own stuffing.

This gem of a post says it all. They have saved the poor Thai electorate from making a mega blunder !

Or in other words, they do not trust the Thai electorate. Why would there suddenly be a reason to trust them now ?

If you think instead of shouting about it, maybe you would see why the assertion "afraid of elections" isn't rediculous, but the truth.

Of course ignoring the rights of Thai citizens to decide who should run their country is what was shown first by Suthep and now by the coup. Personally I believe that people that think they know better and therfore abuse other people's rights should not be part of a society, as that society would be impossible to govern and would disintegrate.

People need to accept when a different viewpoint has sufficient support to govern a country. If that different viewpoint does so by violating certain rules, they can and will be dealt with according to those same laws.

Instead of trusting their own constitution (you are not forgetting who exactly introduced that constitution) they decided once again to simply abolish it and write one themselves, effectively showing they are far worse than the goverment they disposed off.

As to three years of PT, I don't recall them abolishing the constitution and replace it with one they wrote themselves, in which the have absolute power and amnesty. As that is exactly what the current government did, as such they are far worse than PT and have absolutely no moral right to accuse others as was alluded to by several posters already.

[sjaak327]

Sorry crappy internet responsible for double post.

[whybother]

This gem of a post says it all. They have saved the poor Thai electorate from making a mega blunder !

Or in other words, they do not trust the Thai electorate. Why would there suddenly be a reason to trust them now ?

If you think instead of shouting about it, maybe you would see why the assertion "afraid of elections" isn't rediculous, but the truth.

Of course ignoring the rights of Thai citizens to decide who should run their country is what was shown first by Suthep and now by the coup. Personally I believe that people that think they know better and therfore abuse other people's rights should not be part of a society, as that society would be impossible to govern and would disintegrate.

People need to accept when a different viewpoint has sufficient support to govern a country. If that different viewpoint does so by violating certain rules, they can and will be dealt with according to those same laws.

Instead of trusting their own constitution (you are not forgetting who exactly introduced that constitution) they decided once again to simply abolish it and write one themselves, effectively showing they are far worse than the goverment they disposed off.

As to three years of PT, I don't recall them abolishing the constitution and replace it with one they wrote themselves, in which the have absolute power and amnesty. As that is exactly what the current government did, as such they are far worse than PT and have absolutely no moral right to accuse others as was alluded to by several posters already.

Actually "afraid of elections" is ridiculous, because the military won't be standing for election.

[sjaak327]

This gem of a post says it all. They have saved the poor Thai electorate from making a mega blunder !

Or in other words, they do not trust the Thai electorate. Why would there suddenly be a reason to trust them now ?

If you think instead of shouting about it, maybe you would see why the assertion "afraid of elections" isn't rediculous, but the truth.

Of course ignoring the rights of Thai citizens to decide who should run their country is what was shown first by Suthep and now by the coup. Personally I believe that people that think they know better and therfore abuse other people's rights should not be part of a society, as that society would be impossible to govern and would disintegrate.

People need to accept when a different viewpoint has sufficient support to govern a country. If that different viewpoint does so by violating certain rules, they can and will be dealt with according to those same laws.

Instead of trusting their own constitution (you are not forgetting who exactly introduced that constitution) they decided once again to simply abolish it and write one themselves, effectively showing they are far worse than the goverment they disposed off.

As to three years of PT, I don't recall them abolishing the constitution and replace it with one they wrote themselves, in which the have absolute power and amnesty. As that is exactly what the current government did, as such they are far worse than PT and have absolutely no moral right to accuse others as was alluded to by several posters already.

Actually "afraid of elections" is ridiculous, because the military won't be standing for election.

They don't, others (hopefully) will. Of course the militairy won't allow elections unless they have ensured they don't matter or the "right" people in their minds can't lose.