Thai PM says New DNA Tests Can Be Done in British Probe Into Koh Tao Murders

http://www.irrawaddy.org/asia/thai-pm-says-new-dna-tests-can-done-british-probe-koh-tao-murders.html

if DNA was planted on the victims how can this help ?

Yea, Police happened to be caring around semen from both suspects and planted it inside the victim at the crime scene.

How ridiculous can conspiracy theories get?

where did I mention the police ?

Since it was their semen found inside the victim what else can you be suggesting? Was it unknown killers who had the in custody suspect's semen and put it in the victim's body after they killed her?

Brit observers, Burma observers, human rights observers, good legal counsel for the suspects, police taking kid's, they already cleared, DNA and now police offering Suspects in Custody DNA to be retested without even a demand from the defense. Will this satisfy conspiracy theorists, not a chance. It will just make them go at it harder. The more confirmation and evidence against the two in custody, they more they are convinced their is a conspiracy happening.

Hello JTJ, no one except you and JD give a fig about re-testing the Burmese. You keep mentioning it, but it's moot. Thai officialdom has already made clear their desire to frame the Burmese and shield the headman's family. It wouldn't be hard to skew the DNA trail. Even Ms Porntip raised doubts about the veracity of the DNA trail. Everyone (except JTJ and JD and the cops) were hoping the British experts would begin to clear things up re; DNA trail, but now we're feeling let down. If it's true the investigation is over (as allegedly reported by Thai top cop) and the guy who should be top suspect is not a suspect (we've known that for a month), then it's really disappointing. Thai officialdom wins again, but this time their reputation hits rock bottom among any observer seeking truth and justice.

police police police conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy police police police - what comes next TVF posters?

Defamation of character lawsuits come next. This is Thailand. I've been coming here for a third of a century. Image counts for much more than substance or truth.

Of course they know his DNA will not match. They already have the two people in custody whose DNA does match. It would be impossible for his DNA to match too.

I agree with your first sentence, but not with your 2nd. They know his DNA won't match because they obviously wouldn't have agreed to the boy submitting DNA if the DNA would be found to match. If a wallet is stolen, and a suspect is asked to bring his wallet in a month later, is the suspect going to bring in the stolen wallet?

It is nothing about conspiracy there a thousands of people who want to see evidence that he was not involved so that they see that this case is being handled honestly.

DNA is one thing but maybe some proof of phone records to show where he actually was at the time the crimes happened .

Why is it unfair to ask for to ask for this type of evidence.?

Maybe somebody else was using his phone or maybe they paid off the phone company to alter records ... exactly to what extent should a suspect cleared of a crime, a crime which two suspects are already in custody, have to go to prove his innocence to Internet Conspiracy Theorists who have absolutely no proof to even logically accuse him of being involved. DNA is not good enough but you somehow think phone records will be. Others have suggested things like airlines need to publicly release their passenger manifests.

If you mean 2 or 3 hundred thousand people who see a problem with this investigation and don't want to see innocent people jailed for life unless they are the real killers.

These 2 or 3 hundred thousand people have raised doubts so the proof should be shown to erase all doubts .

Not like you and your 2 mates who are happy to see these 2 accused burmese men put to the gallows as quick as possible.

Agree with you first sentence. In fact I would hope more than 2-300k people can see this when they read the press reports international. All right minded people want to see the real killers caught, prosecuted and to received the right sentence.

Who should that proof be shown to - the people who signed the petition? The people of Thailand? Expats, journalists, anybody who wants to see? How would you choose the group, eliminate all biases within that group, and keep completely objective? The evidence produced in any court trial should and hopefully be made public. But some will simply say it was fixed, unless it happens to support their view. How do you propose all doubts can be erased?

I would hope no one wants to see innocent people executed (Thailand does not use hanging btw), imprisoned or set up. Any right minded person would want to see justice done, and be seen to done. The chances of that happening are inconsistent in Thailand, as numerous high profile cases have shown. The whole legal system is fraught with loopholes, inconsistencies and "escape routes" for those that have the substance to take advantage of them.

However, there are some who profess to know exactly who did it, how it was done, and all the machinations since. If that's true, they should make that public, with real evidence, not rumor or conjecture. Any trial full of contradictory evidence and sloppy police work should be thrown out. The PP is clearly not happy with what they've received so far.

Time the courts or someone senior grew some balls here. Told the police to get their act together. Accept they now need some help and fully use the professional skills of the British Officers. They also might like to remind people about the laws appertaining to perjury. Many here seem to know all about the defamation and libel laws, but ignore perjury. Some how, I doubt it will happen though.

Apparently police said at the press conference that anyone accusing the boy of being involved in the murders will go to prison for 5 years. That is before they have announced the results of the police DNA test. I guess they already know what the result is going to be just like they were really confident about what the results of the lightening fast DNA tests of the Burmese suspects before they were announced..

In any event there was only two men's DNA reportedly found in the victim but there was condom with the victim's blood on the outside with mysteriously no DNA traces inside it, despite the fact that it was used forcefully enough to make the victim bleed which must be almost unique. Even when the attacker fails to complete his disgusting deed, traces of skin cells and bodily fluids should have been evident, particularly in a such a violent rape.

Of course they know his DNA will not match. They already have the two people in custody whose DNA does match. It would be impossible for his DNA to match too.

Does the DNA match the DNA inside or on Hannah or the murder weapon? If so why does the prosecution keeps sending the case back?

This case is a shambles.

The DNA at the crime scene all matched. If the suspects DNA matched one then it would logically match all. The police have been specific in saying that their DNA matched the semen and that at the crime scene. We don't know if they reported every spot they retrieved DNA. We do know early on that they reported cigarettes at or near the scene had DNA that matched the semen. We don't know if DNA was recovered from the hoe or if they found the even found the other murder weapon they reported at one point as also being involved.

Of course they know his DNA will not match. They already have the two people in custody whose DNA does match. It would be impossible for his DNA to match too.

I agree with your first sentence, but not with your 2nd. They know his DNA won't match because they obviously wouldn't have agreed to the boy submitting DNA if the DNA would be found to match. If a wallet is stolen, and a suspect is asked to bring his wallet in a month later, is the suspect going to bring in the stolen wallet?

I am confused, you think the suspect changed his DNA?

And you somehow think it is possible for not just two non-identical twins but also unrelated people with different heritages to have the same DNA? Unless you believe this, clearly the DNA will not match because they already have the suspects in custody whose DNA matches.

Of course they know his DNA will not match. They already have the two people in custody whose DNA does match. It would be impossible for his DNA to match too.

I agree with your first sentence, but not with your 2nd. They know his DNA won't match because they obviously wouldn't have agreed to the boy submitting DNA if the DNA would be found to match. If a wallet is stolen, and a suspect is asked to bring his wallet in a month later, is the suspect going to bring in the stolen wallet?

I am confused, you think the suspect changed his DNA?

Typical of your evasive answers the crime scene was damged from the start many questions are being raised there is term called "process of elimination" that will remove any doubt , that will prove if these boys are innocent or guilty.

phone records , financial statements witness statements etc.

Of course they know his DNA will not match. They already have the two people in custody whose DNA does match. It would be impossible for his DNA to match too.

I agree with your first sentence, but not with your 2nd. They know his DNA won't match because they obviously wouldn't have agreed to the boy submitting DNA if the DNA would be found to match. If a wallet is stolen, and a suspect is asked to bring his wallet in a month later, is the suspect going to bring in the stolen wallet?

I am confused, you think the suspect changed his DNA?

Typical of your evasive answers the crime scene was damged from the start many questions are being raised there is term called "process of elimination" that will remove any doubt , that will prove if these boys are innocent or guilty.

phone records , financial statements witness statements etc.

You think the crime scene being damaged somehow allowed their semen to blow into the victim? There is no eliminating any other suspects through DNA, EVERYONE has already been eliminated as they have the two guys in custody whose DNA matched the semen in the victim. NOTHING can be gained from testing this guy as it won't even do anything to calm the conspiracy buffs and rather it will just make them come on stronger as they have each time they get what they claim they want ... each time they just disbelieve more and demand more and disregard the findings.

Thai PM says New DNA Tests Can Be Done in British Probe Into Koh Tao Murders

http://www.irrawaddy.org/asia/thai-pm-says-new-dna-tests-can-done-british-probe-koh-tao-murders.html

Some people just don't get it. It's not the Burmese DNA profile that us 'conspiracy theorists' are questioning, IT'S THE DNA PROFILES TAKEN FROM THE FEMALE VICTIM. Even though we've heard UK officials were SUPPOSED to have taken samples from the victim, WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY DID. Therefore, all there is for comparison are samples taken by unqualified Thais (Ms Porntip said as much). The same unqualified Thais who have an agenda to shield the headman's family. That's also why the DNA press conference (with Nomsod) today was moot.

WE DON'T TRUST THE DNA TRAIL CRAFTED BY THAI OFFICIALDOM.

Have the Brit experts packed up and gone home? If so, that's a sad day for the victims' families and friends, and for the Burmese scapegoats. Even tho the Burmese will likely be let go for insufficient evidence, it's still been harrowing for them. They should be compensated Bt.10,000 each for each day they were falsely incarcerated.

Thai PM says New DNA Tests Can Be Done in British Probe Into Koh Tao Murders

http://www.irrawaddy.org/asia/thai-pm-says-new-dna-tests-can-done-british-probe-koh-tao-murders.html

if DNA was planted on the victims how can this help ?

Yea, Police happened to be caring around semen from both suspects and planted it inside the victim at the crime scene. Then police went around for a month making a joke of themselves by publicly accusing one person after another before landing on the two suspects in custody they intended to setup from the start.

How ridiculous can conspiracy theories get?

was you at the scene ? you seem to know a lot about it .

It is nothing about conspiracy there a thousands of people who want to see evidence that he was not involved so that they see that this case is being handled honestly.

No its not - its corrupt police rhetoric!! JTJ the game is up - people see through your repetition of the police line for what it is!! 400 nothing posts by a mafia apologist!!

DNA is one thing but maybe some proof of phone records to show where he actually was at the time the crimes happened .

Why is it unfair to ask for to ask for this type of evidence.?

You would hope that all mobile phone records have been checked. That all travel records, ticket sales, credit card usage, atm usage associated with all suspects have been checked. Not just CCTV footage and DNA tests.

That would be good professional police work.

Bearing in mind the prosecutor's comments, and the crime scene pantomime what chance do think any of that happened?

I would be most impressed if it did and it is all presented in court.

Thai PM says New DNA Tests Can Be Done in British Probe Into Koh Tao Murders

http://www.irrawaddy.org/asia/thai-pm-says-new-dna-tests-can-done-british-probe-koh-tao-murders.html

Some people just don't get it. It's not the Burmese DNA profile that us 'conspiracy theorists' are questioning, IT'S THE DNA PROFILES TAKEN FROM THE FEMALE VICTIM. Even though we've heard UK officials were SUPPOSED to have taken samples from the victim, WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY DID. Therefore, all there is for comparison are samples taken by unqualified Thais (Ms Porntip said as much). The same unqualified Thais who have an agenda to shield the headman's family. That's also why the DNA press conference (with Nomsod) today was moot.

WE DON'T TRUST THE DNA TRAIL CRAFTED BY THAI OFFICIALDOM.

Have the Brit experts packed up and gone home? If so, that's a sad day for the victims' families and friends, and for the Burmese scapegoats. Even tho the Burmese will likely be let go for insufficient evidence, it's still been harrowing for them. They should be compensated Bt.10,000 each for each day they were falsely incarcerated.

You do realize that the semen would also have been collected during the autopsy right? I am not even sure if they would have even collected any of this from inside the victim at the scene but even if they did they certainly wouldn't have collected it all. They generally collect what they can at the scene because they can't collect and test it elsewhere.

Why would the Brits leaving be a sad thing? They will leave when they make their conclusions. I find it odd that you want to pay these two suspects money when even other conspiracy theorists actually are not so far gone as to admit they may be involved.

I can almost guarantee you the two will plead guilty because it is their only hope of seeing freedom again given the evidence against them.

Koh Tao suspects offered new DNA tests - British police observers satisfied with police handling of case

http://udon-news.com/en/news/koh-tao-suspects-offered-new-dna-tests

What would the point of the same people doing the same tests? It is the people conducting the test that are the problem i.e. the RTP. British police observers have not said they are satisfied with police handling of case. The Thai PM said that. Not same.

Why did he refuse up to now for his sons DNA to be taken?

Is he above the law?

Yes. He is more powerful than both the army and the police, in a sense that neither will go after his family, under any circumstances. The only reason this has not "gone away" is due to the influence of the public and the relentless posts and peoples unwillingness to let it go. You cannot clear your sons reputation, as your son is as guilty as the day is long. And this is not the first crime he has committed. I realize your family is accustomed to getting off "Scot free" all these years. You have all been able to do whatever you want, whenever you want, to whomever you want. That is ending here. At least for now. Get used to being under the spotlight. Thank your unconscious son for that. He grew up surrounded with hundreds of millions of dollars. As a son of a family nobody touches. Now, he has attracted unwanted attention. Too bad. Pay the price for your behavior, and your lack of concern for people, and for society. You are not the best of what Thailand has to offer.

steady on now . I agree with you but hundreds of millions of dollars might be a slight exaggeration. . much of his power comes from it being a small island. its like its his own country with his own laws, doesnt take much to over power 7 cops resident on the island . Its difficult to get him without an invasion by the army which I guess isn't what the Government want on their own soil...

JTJ keeps asserting the police line that Burmese DNA matched that found within victim.

There's one big hole in that assertion. If there is a frame-up (which many think there is) then it's easy to skew the data. For starters, who actually has the hard data showing the profile of the DNA found in the victim? Answer: COPS and only cops.

All they have to say, starting the day after arresting the Burmese, is: "their DNA matches." Who is going to go to the police and demand to see original results? Possibly only the prosecutors, but they've already sent the police report back 2 or 3 times for revisions (read: make the frame-up look more convincing). Plus, the prosecutors are working hand in hand with officialdom.

Another easy way to skew the DNA data: Take the Burmese boys' data, make a copy of it (it's probably on paper cards), and rename it: "Semen taken from victim." Doing that would also safeguard Nomsod, and would explain why he and his shielders were so nonchalant about submitting his DNA today, some grinning in the background.

He should have done this in the very beginning.

Now he is just making fun of himself. Too late dad.

Too many emotions on many sides here. I really hope the facts can start talking, but then again where to get real "facts" from. Independent investigation of a multi-national team would be the only chance I guess.

Unfortunately it will not happen.

So the only chance is that they 2 young kids get a good lawyer-team! With all the doubt there is and all open questions to if they are really guilty or not. It should be a walk in the park to create reasonable doubt.....

Time stamps on the cctv video on Mon in Bangkok can easily be changed. Just looked at CSI and a Thai guy there shows how to do it. So tried on my cctv that I have and bingo, can change the time stamp at any point from the past videos

....and you probably did a lot more convincing job (at altering the time stamp) than the bumblers who did it for Nomsod.

was that his residence or university? If it was his dormitory, there should be cctv of him leaving the dorm as well, not just entering it !

Besides that, it was reported that that wooden furniture has not been there since June, so why does it turn up in the video in October? Need to see all of the unadulterated video.

Nomsod may well tun up negative DNA but this in no way implicates the Burmese (who appear to have been cleared on the first round of testing).

Channel 3 7/10/14 news report. (It's on Glue-tube) - and apologies for posting a distressing statement

"The pathologist said that DNA of B and a third person C was found on Hannah's nipples. The third person was not David. The policeman didn't explain who the police thought C was or how he came to deposit his DNA on Hannah's nipples."

A statement by a named police pathologist on National TV could have more credibility than if any subsequent rebuttal stated that he was mistaken. The issues here are that there have been so many statements and contradictory statements from all sources including the RTP, that no-one on here has any knowledge of the truth.

If the Defence have seen the (RTP's) B2 matching evidence, and it is not an 'exact' match but a 'partial' match (depending on what standards were used) - I would not expect them to take up the PM's offer of a retest (for obvious reasons). If it goes to trial, let the judge decide if the evidence submitted to warrant convictions on all of the charges is beyond reasonable doubt.

JTJ keeps asserting the police line that Burmese DNA matched that found within victim.

There's one big hole in that assertion. If there is a frame-up (which many think there is) then it's easy to skew the data. For starters, who actually has the hard data showing the profile of the DNA found in the victim? Answer: COPS and only cops.

All they have to say, starting the day after arresting the Burmese, is: "their DNA matches." Who is going to go to the police and demand to see original results? Possibly only the prosecutors, but they've already sent the police report back 2 or 3 times for revisions (read: make the frame-up look more convincing). Plus, the prosecutors are working hand in hand with officialdom.

Another easy way to skew the DNA data: Take the Burmese boys' data, make a copy of it (it's probably on paper cards), and rename it: "Semen taken from victim." Doing that would also safeguard Nomsod, and would explain why he and his shielders were so nonchalant about submitting his DNA today, some grinning in the background.

Original samples were tested in Singapore. This was before implication of the two Burmese. They should have the original record. Trust nothing from Thai police. Send all new samples to Singapore for comparison.

This country would be far better off without its "influential figures" gather them on a remote island, sink the boat and take a bath in a flow of milk and honey.

Many ask for evidence, proof, where's the link etc.

Forget about DNA, phones Sean and the rest.

Is there any disagreement that one of the most crucial factors here is the credibility of the RTP.

The UN have described them as a criminal organisation, the weight of history is against them.

Time after time it is the RTP who are revealed as the criminals involved in so many incidents in Thailand, it is not without reason they are despised by law abiding Thais.

They serve only one master, Greed. Justice is not on their agenda.

No. The UN has never said that. A person in no way associated with the UN used a UN definition and applied it to his opinion of the RTP.

if the UN did say that, you will have no problem providing a link.

From http://www.prachatai.org/english/node/571 Submitted by prachatai on Mon, 31/03/2008 - 00:00

AWZAR THI

HONG KONG, China, According to the United Nations, the Royal Thai Police are organized criminals.That, at least, is the inference to be drawn from looking at its Convention against Transnational Organized Crime, which was adopted in 2001 and which defines an organized crime group as involving at least three people acting in concert over a period of time "with the aim of committing one or more serious crimes or offences… in order to obtain… a financial or other material benefit."

IF HE IS INNOCENT; THAN HE SHOULD NOT HAVE FLEEN THE ISLAND IN A HURRY;

AND HE SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED HIS dna ON THE BEGINNING;

And there is still the questionable Viodeo from the collage in the air ?

Some manipulaten were recorded ;

JTJ keeps asserting the police line that Burmese DNA matched that found within victim.

There's one big hole in that assertion. If there is a frame-up (which many think there is) then it's easy to skew the data. For starters, who actually has the hard data showing the profile of the DNA found in the victim? Answer: COPS and only cops.

All they have to say, starting the day after arresting the Burmese, is: "their DNA matches." Who is going to go to the police and demand to see original results? Possibly only the prosecutors, but they've already sent the police report back 2 or 3 times for revisions (read: make the frame-up look more convincing). Plus, the prosecutors are working hand in hand with officialdom.

Another easy way to skew the DNA data: Take the Burmese boys' data, make a copy of it (it's probably on paper cards), and rename it: "Semen taken from victim." Doing that would also safeguard Nomsod, and would explain why he and his shielders were so nonchalant about submitting his DNA today, some grinning in the background.

Original samples were tested in Singapore. This was before implication of the two Burmese. They should have the original record. Trust nothing from Thai police. Send all new samples to Singapore for comparison.

I seemed to recollect that the RTP said they would be sending the samples to Singapore, but instead sent them to BKK, who distributed them to hospitals in Chiang Mai. While I could be mistaken on which hospitals tested the samples, it wasn't Singapore.

I can understand it .. if the guy is innocent and some internet hero's destroy his image.. id be pissed too.

If the guy is innocent?? Well yeah, but if he was innocent he would of submitted long ago to a DNA test.

Why ? Because some people don't believe him ?. This is not trial by media. I know that I would be real wary giving off my DNA to the Thai police who knows what happens with it. If there is no real good reason for it I would certainly never give of DNA to satisfy some internet group.

Who knows how convincing his real evidence was for being in BKK. The stuff you guys have not see. It is as if everyone thinks that they are entitled to all the evidence and know the same stuff as the police.

I have a police friend buddy (back in my birth country) he tells me that even there what is printed in newspapers is often far from what has actually happened. I find it amusing to say the least that people think they can do an investigation from behind their computer instead of having the real facts the police is privileged too.

I make no claims about this guy either way, but his reputation is toast either way. This will hunt them for a long time even if not guilty.

But many farangs hate rich Thais with a vengeance because then they cant feel superior. Admit it its much nicer if some HISO is guilty instead of some lowly worker. So there is prejudice too.

not some, but many people like rich man , got rich by abuse his position and corruption,;

On a sellary as Village headman you get not reach that you can send your son to Bangkok to a collage !

All it takes to make DNA match or not match whatever one wants it to match or not match is for the doctor doing the matching to simply lie, or for anyone handling the DNA before it reaches the doctor to swap it with someone elses DNA. The Thai police is infamous for being corrupt, which is why they should allow the British police to do the sampling and testing on their own, without any Thai police officers touching anything. The British police has no interest in saving anyones face, and they are unlikely to accept a bribe due to the high profile of the case, and the repercussions they face in Britain if caught.

The Thai police would likely never allow this, but if they did, I bet the conspiracy theories, at least as far as DNA is concerned, would stop immediately. In other words, the Thai police have a way to silence the critics once and for all, unfortunately FACE will prevent them from doing this.

As I see it the main problem is that the Thai police consider themselves trustworthy, and therefore think everyone else thinks them trustworthy too. The same logic that dictated that a Thai could never commit such a crime also dictates that if a guy has 4 stars on his shoulder, and is waied at 100 times a day, then he must be a very respectable person, and therefore cannot possibly be a liar.

Unfortunately logic as a subject is not taught in Thai schools.

To JD in Asia and JTJ.

Mr Nomsod has said that he was in Bangkok and you clearly believe him. Millions don't. Let him prove it by obtaining his phone records. If he was in BKK it will show. If he was in KT it will show. Important of course to get the right phone, at least the right SIM.

Millions don't? Hyperbole.

2 weeks ago the call was for DNA.

We don't know if the police have gotten a warrant for phone records. If they have, the records would never be released to the public.

DNA can be falsified. If the phone record shows Nomsod was in KT then everything else is false. He's lied and gone to a lot of trouble covering that lie. Perhaps the police would like to inform us if they have checked Nomsod's phone record.

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Yes. He is more powerful than both the army and the police, in a sense that neither will go after his family, under any circumstances. The only reason this has not "gone away" is due to the influence of the public and the relentless posts and peoples unwillingness to let it go. You cannot clear your sons reputation, as your son is as guilty as the day is long. And this is not the first crime he has committed. I realize your family is accustomed to getting off "Scot free" all these years. You have all been able to do whatever you want, whenever you want, to whomever you want. That is ending here. At least for now. Get used to being under the spotlight. Thank your unconscious son for that. He grew up surrounded with hundreds of millions of dollars. As a son of a family nobody touches. Now, he has attracted unwanted attention. Too bad. Pay the price for your behavior, and your lack of concern for people, and for society. You are not the best of what Thailand has to offer.

Neither will go after his family but police named them as suspects publicly and took the dad and brother to jail early on, interrogated them and demanded DNA testing which they complied to. The police further publicly accused the son and publicly claimed he fled the island after the murder based on hearsay only to find out he was not in the island at the time.

It is actually comical to believe this tiny island's headsman has such power over the entire police force and army ... something Thaksin and his family didn;t even has as PM.

So there goes that theory that police won;t touch them.

IF HE IS INNOCENT; THAN HE SHOULD NOT HAVE FLEEN THE ISLAND IN A HURRY;

AND HE SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED HIS dna ON THE BEGINNING;

And there is still the questionable Viodeo from the collage in the air ?

Some manipulaten were recorded ;

I am very surprised nobody picked up on this one >>>

https://scontent-b-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10418310_1576360412582879_2904747433321385648_n.jpg?oh=e9a76143faf1ff3494047a8e4df84c7d&oe=54E978A4

I am no expert but this is impossible or not? The system has only one time! Is this the proof the CCTV was doctored? Or is this normal?

Many ask for evidence, proof, where's the link etc.

Forget about DNA, phones Sean and the rest.

Is there any disagreement that one of the most crucial factors here is the credibility of the RTP.

The UN have described them as a criminal organisation, the weight of history is against them.

Time after time it is the RTP who are revealed as the criminals involved in so many incidents in Thailand, it is not without reason they are despised by law abiding Thais.

They serve only one master, Greed. Justice is not on their agenda.

No. The UN has never said that. A person in no way associated with the UN used a UN definition and applied it to his opinion of the RTP.

if the UN did say that, you will have no problem providing a link.

From http://www.prachatai.org/english/node/571 Submitted by prachatai on Mon, 31/03/2008 - 00:00

AWZAR THI

HONG KONG, China, According to the United Nations, the Royal Thai Police are organized criminals.That, at least, is the inference to be drawn from looking at its Convention against Transnational Organized Crime, which was adopted in 2001 and which defines an organized crime group as involving at least three people acting in concert over a period of time "with the aim of committing one or more serious crimes or offences… in order to obtain… a financial or other material benefit."

Thank JL I have little interest in responding to some posters.

Thai PM says New DNA Tests Can Be Done in British Probe Into Koh Tao Murders

http://www.irrawaddy.org/asia/thai-pm-says-new-dna-tests-can-done-british-probe-koh-tao-murders.html

Some people just don't get it. It's not the Burmese DNA profile that us 'conspiracy theorists' are questioning, IT'S THE DNA PROFILES TAKEN FROM THE FEMALE VICTIM. Even though we've heard UK officials were SUPPOSED to have taken samples from the victim, WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY DID. Therefore, all there is for comparison are samples taken by unqualified Thais (Ms Porntip said as much). The same unqualified Thais who have an agenda to shield the headman's family. That's also why the DNA press conference (with Nomsod) today was moot.

WE DON'T TRUST THE DNA TRAIL CRAFTED BY THAI OFFICIALDOM.

Have the Brit experts packed up and gone home? If so, that's a sad day for the victims' families and friends, and for the Burmese scapegoats. Even tho the Burmese will likely be let go for insufficient evidence, it's still been harrowing for them. They should be compensated Bt.10,000 each for each day they were falsely incarcerated.

You do realize that the semen would also have been collected during the autopsy right? I am not even sure if they would have even collected any of this from inside the victim at the scene but even if they did they certainly wouldn't have collected it all. They generally collect what they can at the scene because they can't collect and test it elsewhere.

Why would the Brits leaving be a sad thing? They will leave when they make their conclusions. I find it odd that you want to pay these two suspects money when even other conspiracy theorists actually are not so far gone as to admit they may be involved.

I can almost guarantee you the two will plead guilty because it is their only hope of seeing freedom again given the evidence against them.

One of the biggest problems in the early days of the RTP investigation was their persistence in releasing statements to the media. They made accusations about many suspects, who were later cleared. However in this plethora of released statements and information there were some good intentions namely the CCTV clip of the KT 'running man'. The then RTP Chief asked the media/public to examine the clip to identify the 'runner'. Well, surprise, surprise this is exactly what the media/public did, and what the RTP have have apparently so far failed to do, which is take a much closer look to make a positive identification. Maybe you and jdinisia should take a peek outside the 'RTP box' occasionally, and you'll find DNA isn't the only defining factor in proving the innocence/guilt of anyone. As you seem to base your postings on the RTP 'party' line do you have anything to say as to why the RTP have never made their findings known about the CCTV KT 'running man'? Unless the RTP clear up this aspect of the investigation they and not the media/public will appear to have been party to the conspiracy theory.