Yingluck summoned to appear at NLA on November 12 for delayed impeachment request

[Pierrefun]

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You will have to be right as always--she said herself " I have never done anything wrong" So this puts you both in the clear.

Please do not even think about putting her in Di's class. This makes you look what ???

Our super lady in Burma, on the same level as Di maybe. Yingluck and her family record leaves much to be desired-your post has to be a complete wind up of all wind ups.

Agreed.

[Pierrefun]

And the Shins' anthem then? 'We buy ourselves a cheap majority of gullible ignorants N.& E., put the pawn we have groomed to on top of it (N.B. your idol Thaksin), set (bend) the Judiciary to our hand, and with the police and the army in our pocket, we are the masters of Thailand'? Unfortunately for the clan, it didn't all go as planned with some(!) parts of the Judiciary and the Military. And there might also have been another 'family' which did not agree (anymore)... All considerations you may not be busy with, but that I like to put forward to balance your, mind you, for me far from totally incorrect, opinion. Do two wrongs make a right though? Not for me! Only totally new movements and parties, excluding all existing politicians and colour-coded (anti-) 'heroes', bound by their published programs, and made automatically responsible for all their actions, could IMO bring the country forward, with a Judiciary serving Justice to all, with the Military in their barracks, the police doing, exclusively(!) a, good, police job, and, why not, to make it entirely irrealistic, all people becoming a, totally different, decent, education. My dream for Thailand, which will alas probably remain a dream forever... What is your dream JOC?

The army is in the Shinawatras pocket?

All credibility got up and walked out the door as your fingers were typing this little piece of illogical delusion.

Funny you talk about credibility when you can't even be relied upon to read, "unfortunately for the clan, it didn't all go as planned".

The Army was in Shinawatra's pocket when another Shinawatra was running the Army.

Chaiyasit Shinawatra - Wikipedia

Stop your own delusions and become informed.

[Pierrefun]

This is what lawyers do when they don't have a legitimate defense; delay, delay, delay. And in the meantime, obfuscate, misdirect, misconstrue, assault motives, plead for sympathy, and make excuses. This phenomena is not confined to Thailand. At the very minimum, Ms Yingluck should be banned from politics for five years and pay the maximum fine which is equivalent to the cost of a new pair of Burberry boots. The penalties she faces are equal to being told she was a naughty girl and please wait for five years before doing it again. In the mean time, she gets lots of free publicity, keeps her name and face in front of her supporters, and reminds everyone of the one who will not/can not be forgotten.

So when Suthep was too busy to attend court and he delayed, delayed, delayed........

Absolutely! Suthep as well as the terrorist who invaded Government House and occupied the airport. They should have begun their prison terms years ago. I don't do double standards and the ends rarely justify the means when the 'means' are illegal under the constitution.

What constitution?

It's long gone.

If you don't do double standards why are you not spouting off about the many, many others yet to face their day in court who should be well ahead of Yingluck in the queue.

If the system were equitable the next 5 years would be spent prosecuting Yellows all the way back to the PAD and Sondhi and then they should turn their attention to the trumped up charges against Yingluck!

Double standards is what you and they are all about.

Another joke post.

Your own double standards preclude you from clamoring for the prosecution of Natthawut, Jakrapob, Jatuporn, Veera, etc. who have delayed their own cases from an even more distant past of 2007, 2009, and 2010.

As you are so stuck on chronological order, as the first initiators of street violence, you should be shouting for their prosecution first.

[chainarong]

Yinglucks lawyer has a good point, if the brief hasn't arrived how can defence prepare, good to see the Administration has there legal eagles on the ball , looks like a shoddy start from the prosecution already , one wonders why proper protocol has not been observed, or are they so excited that a Shinawatra is on the schedule they are wetting themselves.

[Thai at Heart]

Why doesn't anyone know the bloody procedure?

[recycled]

Here we go again!! We can't win at the ballot-box, but we can always trust the "independent" Thai judiciary to do the dirty work for us!!

And the Shins' anthem then? 'We buy ourselves a cheap majority of gullible ignorants N.& E., put the pawn we have groomed to on top of it (N.B. your idol Thaksin), set (bend) the Judiciary to our hand, and with the police and the army in our pocket, we are the masters of Thailand'? Unfortunately for the clan, it didn't all go as planned with some(!) parts of the Judiciary and the Military. And there might also have been another 'family' which did not agree (anymore)... All considerations you may not be busy with, but that I like to put forward to balance your, mind you, for me far from totally incorrect, opinion. Do two wrongs make a right though? Not for me! Only totally new movements and parties, excluding all existing politicians and colour-coded (anti-) 'heroes', bound by their published programs, and made automatically responsible for all their actions, could IMO bring the country forward, with a Judiciary serving Justice to all, with the Military in their barracks, the police doing, exclusively(!) a, good, police job, and, why not, to make it entirely irrealistic, all people becoming a, totally different, decent, education. My dream for Thailand, which will alas probably remain a dream forever... What is your dream JOC?

The army is in the Shinawatras pocket?

All credibility got up and walked out the door as your fingers were typing this little piece of illogical delusion.

Then you and the stuttering parrot enlighten us with your wisdom as to why you know different.The only delusion here is your own in actually expecting the members will believe you are somebody with character and insight, something we all lack. If you cannot place the facts on the table to verify your own credibility when attempting to ridicule another point of view, shut the F U.

[ginjag]

This is what lawyers do when they don't have a legitimate defense; delay, delay, delay. And in the meantime, obfuscate, misdirect, misconstrue, assault motives, plead for sympathy, and make excuses. This phenomena is not confined to Thailand. At the very minimum, Ms Yingluck should be banned from politics for five years and pay the maximum fine which is equivalent to the cost of a new pair of Burberry boots. The penalties she faces are equal to being told she was a naughty girl and please wait for five years before doing it again. In the mean time, she gets lots of free publicity, keeps her name and face in front of her supporters, and reminds everyone of the one who will not/can not be forgotten.

So when Suthep was too busy to attend court and he delayed, delayed, delayed........

And And And, did he attend or send someone ??

[Halion]

Just more of the same crap that we have been fed for the past 6 months.

This woman should have been publicly shamed and prosecuted for the myriad of crimes she and her family have perpetrated against the nation.

Both Yingluck and her entourage are thumbing their noses at the judicial establishment because they have a constitution that was designed to let them do so.

[Baerboxer]

This is what lawyers do when they don't have a legitimate defense; delay, delay, delay. And in the meantime, obfuscate, misdirect, misconstrue, assault motives, plead for sympathy, and make excuses. This phenomena is not confined to Thailand. At the very minimum, Ms Yingluck should be banned from politics for five years and pay the maximum fine which is equivalent to the cost of a new pair of Burberry boots. The penalties she faces are equal to being told she was a naughty girl and please wait for five years before doing it again. In the mean time, she gets lots of free publicity, keeps her name and face in front of her supporters, and reminds everyone of the one who will not/can not be forgotten.

Nobody puts in doubt the Shins' PR machine is doing a very good, though utterly insidious, job, I wonder how many millions a year it costs them, but to go on with it like they do, it can't only be about face, they must be betting on high profits to be generated by it in the future, and I do hope that future never will come, for the Thais' sake, I mean...!

Dr. Thaksin has NOT given up on his goal of 'President for Life' in the style of his good friend Hun Sen. He wants a political dynasty all the more because the only way to reclaim the face he lost would be to return to power and have the last laugh. If the PM can resist all the temptations offered by the super-wealthy, fugitive felon, ex PM, then Thailand will have a chance to be rid of the Thaksin threat. Unfortunately, the last coup leader, Gen. Sonthi, sold his soul and opened the door for another Thaksin puppet government; he even joined that puppet government and worked for Thaksin's white-washed return. Thaksin is ruthless and relentless in his quest for power. He plays on the greed of others and uses them for his purposes. Punishing Yingluck would be a sign from this government that they won't be bought off by Thaksin. If the current government cannot impose even this minimalist punishment (five year political ban and Bt. 10,000 fine) on Ms Yingluck, what would you expect from it in the prosecution of the real damage done to the Thai taxpayers and to honest government. How the Yingluck case is handled will be a bellweather of this government's attitude to corruption and political criminality.

The people want what the people want.

Perhaps the large minority that wanted PTP will be a smaller minority now. Many have woken up to the rouses, lies, false promises, and scams.

The only thing sure to increase in a Shin government is Shin family wealth.

[Baerboxer]

Why doesn't anyone know the bloody procedure?

I'm sure they all know it very well. That's why they can all try to avoid and twist the bits they don't like and simply don't want to do.

[Baerboxer]

Yinglucks lawyer has a good point, if the brief hasn't arrived how can defence prepare, good to see the Administration has there legal eagles on the ball , looks like a shoddy start from the prosecution already , one wonders why proper protocol has not been observed, or are they so excited that a Shinawatra is on the schedule they are wetting themselves.

You believe what the Shins and their lawyer, who would have been banned from practicing law in a real country following the pastry box bribe attempt, say?

Protocol with the Shins - who make their own rules up, and break them, as they go along?

What a quaint idea.

[diehard60]

Question to all you really smart people out there. How do you impeach someone who is not in office? Oh yea Only in Thailand.

[diehard60]

Yinglucks lawyer has a good point, if the brief hasn't arrived how can defence prepare, good to see the Administration has there legal eagles on the ball , looks like a shoddy start from the prosecution already , one wonders why proper protocol has not been observed, or are they so excited that a Shinawatra is on the schedule they are wetting themselves.

You believe what the Shins and their lawyer, who would have been banned from practicing law in a real country following the pastry box bribe attempt, say?

Protocol with the Shins - who make their own rules up, and break them, as they go along?

What a quaint idea.

Sounds just like every government not just them. So what is the big deal?????????????????????

[Baerboxer]

He said Ms Yingluck has designated her lawyer to appear at the meeting on November 12 instead.

He was explained that the reason for her postponement of impeachment was due mainly to the meeting regulation of the assembly which states clearly that a summoned person must be given 15 days in advance to have time to study the impeachment case file so that she could defend herself, or request more witnesses’ testimonies.

He said until now she has not yet received any case file from the National Anti Corruption Commission (NACC) to study and prepare for defence.

The lawyer said that without the impeachment case file from the NACC for study in advance, the accused was tantamount to be deprived of the right to protect herself against accusations when the NLA opens the impeachment debate.

People could argue there is to date no case to answer for anyway if nothing has been forwarded before the hearing and according to the law in timely fashion.

Really its pathetic.

You really believe anything that comes from the lips of Shin lawyers?

Poor Yingluck, oh so innocent. Wonder if she paid customs duty on those 30 plus pearl necklaces she reportedly purchased whilst on holiday with her criminal fugitive brother in law.

[Baerboxer]

Yinglucks lawyer has a good point, if the brief hasn't arrived how can defence prepare, good to see the Administration has there legal eagles on the ball , looks like a shoddy start from the prosecution already , one wonders why proper protocol has not been observed, or are they so excited that a Shinawatra is on the schedule they are wetting themselves.

You believe what the Shins and their lawyer, who would have been banned from practicing law in a real country following the pastry box bribe attempt, say?

Protocol with the Shins - who make their own rules up, and break them, as they go along?

What a quaint idea.

Sounds just like every government not just them. So what is the big deal?????????????????????

The big deal is that they have taken it to new extremes, show absolutely no remorse, and would do exactly the same again tomorrow given the chance.

And yet, like all hiso rich elites, they remain unpunished. Thailand will never change until that changes. This should be the start, but it won't be.

[Baerboxer]

Question to all you really smart people out there. How do you impeach someone who is not in office? Oh yea Only in Thailand.

Does the Thai word translate exactly as impeach or is that a translation choosing a word more or less the same?

Maybe it's prosecuting someone for an offence committed whilst they were in office. Leaving office doesn't negate the offence.

Bit like being caught doing something against the law, say stealing a large amount of money, and then offering to pay it back when caught. The crime was stealing and paying it back doesn't change that.

[Fat Haggis]

Bangrak mate, can you please start using paragraphs it's hard work reading your stuff, nothing wrong with the contents very good stuff, but it's hard on the old eyes ?

I appreciate English might not be your native language and that's why paragraphing is missing ?

[Robby nz]

Here we go again!! We can't win at the ballot-box, but we can always trust the "independent" Thai judiciary to do the dirty work for us!!

And the Shins' anthem then? 'We buy ourselves a cheap majority of gullible ignorants N.& E., put the pawn we have groomed to on top of it (N.B. your idol Thaksin), set (bend) the Judiciary to our hand, and with the police and the army in our pocket, we are the masters of Thailand'? Unfortunately for the clan, it didn't all go as planned with some(!) parts of the Judiciary and the Military. And there might also have been another 'family' which did not agree (anymore)... All considerations you may not be busy with, but that I like to put forward to balance your, mind you, for me far from totally incorrect, opinion. Do two wrongs make a right though? Not for me! Only totally new movements and parties, excluding all existing politicians and colour-coded (anti-) 'heroes', bound by their published programs, and made automatically responsible for all their actions, could IMO bring the country forward, with a Judiciary serving Justice to all, with the Military in their barracks, the police doing, exclusively(!) a, good, police job, and, why not, to make it entirely irrealistic, all people becoming a, totally different, decent, education. My dream for Thailand, which will alas probably remain a dream forever... What is your dream JOC?

The army is in the Shinawatras pocket?

All credibility got up and walked out the door as your fingers were typing this little piece of illogical delusion.

It would have been if they had their way.

Go back and have a look at who they had lined up for the top jobs in the military.

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This is what lawyers do when they don't have a legitimate defense; delay, delay, delay. And in the meantime, obfuscate, misdirect, misconstrue, assault motives, plead for sympathy, and make excuses. This phenomena is not confined to Thailand. At the very minimum, Ms Yingluck should be banned from politics for five years and pay the maximum fine which is equivalent to the cost of a new pair of Burberry boots. The penalties she faces are equal to being told she was a naughty girl and please wait for five years before doing it again. In the mean time, she gets lots of free publicity, keeps her name and face in front of her supporters, and reminds everyone of the one who will not/can not be forgotten.

Nobody puts in doubt the Shins' PR machine is doing a very good, though utterly insidious, job, I wonder how many millions a year it costs them, but to go on with it like they do, it can't only be about face, they must be betting on high profits to be generated by it in the future, and I do hope that future never will come, for the Thais' sake, I mean...!

Dr. Thaksin has NOT given up on his goal of 'President for Life' in the style of his good friend Hun Sen. He wants a political dynasty all the more because the only way to reclaim the face he lost would be to return to power and have the last laugh. If the PM can resist all the temptations offered by the super-wealthy, fugitive felon, ex PM, then Thailand will have a chance to be rid of the Thaksin threat. Unfortunately, the last coup leader, Gen. Sonthi, sold his soul and opened the door for another Thaksin puppet government; he even joined that puppet government and worked for Thaksin's white-washed return. Thaksin is ruthless and relentless in his quest for power. He plays on the greed of others and uses them for his purposes. Punishing Yingluck would be a sign from this government that they won't be bought off by Thaksin. If the current government cannot impose even this minimalist punishment (five year political ban and Bt. 10,000 fine) on Ms Yingluck, what would you expect from it in the prosecution of the real damage done to the Thai taxpayers and to honest government. How the Yingluck case is handled will be a bellweather of this government's attitude to corruption and political criminality.

The people want what the people want.

So what do the people want? And please provide evidence of what the people want.

And don't reply with your very biased opinion.

[brucec64]

This is what lawyers do when they don't have a legitimate defense; delay, delay, delay. And in the meantime, obfuscate, misdirect, misconstrue, assault motives, plead for sympathy, and make excuses. This phenomena is not confined to Thailand. At the very minimum, Ms Yingluck should be banned from politics for five years and pay the maximum fine which is equivalent to the cost of a new pair of Burberry boots. The penalties she faces are equal to being told she was a naughty girl and please wait for five years before doing it again. In the mean time, she gets lots of free publicity, keeps her name and face in front of her supporters, and reminds everyone of the one who will not/can not be forgotten.

So when Suthep was too busy to attend court and he delayed, delayed, delayed........

Absolutely! Suthep as well as the terrorist who invaded Government House and occupied the airport. They should have begun their prison terms years ago. I don't do double standards and the ends rarely justify the means when the 'means' are illegal under the constitution.

And yet support a government in power through a coup? An act that required an amnesty in the interim constitution.

[Wombat6]

Once again they are trying to deny her of her rights. Amazing Thailand. They want to hang her as fast as they can. What about the Yellows who took over the airport. Why hasn't that case been solved. It's over 6 years old. this case isn't a year old.

The peaceful demonstrators had legal rights instead of being attacked by armed Red shirts, The Children killed by redshirt grenades had rights, The rice farmers who committed suicide over finances had rights The Thai taxpayers had rights over Yingluck cheating them out of taxes she avoided on Share deals and the list goes on. Where is your bleeding heart when this was going on. As usual, your head bobs up when you can put your two bobs worth in to support your totally inept heroine.

[Robby nz]

Don't know what links I am allowed to put on here so I will do this without linking but will give source :

On 31 March 2014 Thai PBS reported that Yingluck arrived (in wheelchair, (photo) at the offices of the NACC asking for them to interview 10 more witnesses and to ask for her lawyers to be supplied with more documents about the rice pledging scheme, this was after she had been given extensions to report of 32 days.

At that point she and her lawyers had already been supplied with the documents.

At that occasion she gave written defense of the accusation of negligence of duty in connection with the rice pledging scheme.

For the full story google: PM demands more documents and 10 witnesses to be questioned

So as far back as March her lawyers were in possession of documents and knew very well they would have to defend her against a charge of negligence.

There will have been additions to the evidence against he from the inspections (which incidentally she ask for) and from other financial reports, however they will likely have only confirmed what was already known.

Since that time she has done two overseas trips and either 2 or 3 trips to Issan.

That time would have been better spent with her lawyers preparing her defense.

[rametindallas]

This is what lawyers do when they don't have a legitimate defense; delay, delay, delay. And in the meantime, obfuscate, misdirect, misconstrue, assault motives, plead for sympathy, and make excuses. This phenomena is not confined to Thailand. At the very minimum, Ms Yingluck should be banned from politics for five years and pay the maximum fine which is equivalent to the cost of a new pair of Burberry boots. The penalties she faces are equal to being told she was a naughty girl and please wait for five years before doing it again. In the mean time, she gets lots of free publicity, keeps her name and face in front of her supporters, and reminds everyone of the one who will not/can not be forgotten.

So when Suthep was too busy to attend court and he delayed, delayed, delayed........

Absolutely! Suthep as well as the terrorist who invaded Government House and occupied the airport. They should have begun their prison terms years ago. I don't do double standards and the ends rarely justify the means when the 'means' are illegal under the constitution.

And yet support a government in power through a coup? An act that required an amnesty in the interim constitution.

It happens so often in Thailand that there is a procedure for it. The current government has been endorsed by H.M. and, as a non-citizen, that is plenty good enough for me. If you read the current rules, you will note that it is not allowed to talk treason on this forum. Speaking as an outsider and as a non-Thai, I am not very favorably impressed with any Thai government I have ever read about in the history books so, the term, "Pick you poison" comes to mind. If I had a say-so, which I don't, I can hardly think of a more destructive individual to ever curse Thailand with his presence than Thaksin Shinawatra. He is responsible for so many innocent deaths with his military suppression of the Deep South, his so-called 'drug war', his attempt at soft coups in 2009 and an even larger one in 2010, and the deaths of the anti-Yingluck protesters this year, and those deaths were all on his orders or behalf. Considering how he has divided the people into color-coded politics, spurred class warfare/envy, repeatedly looted the country, suppressed reporters/NGOs/human rights, etc., etc., and attempted to set himself up as 'President for Life', I would choose any government over one influenced/controlled/ dominated by him. I hope this answers your question.

Edited November 11, 2014 by rametindallas

[whatawonderfulday]

TIT now the "hub " of impeachment

[webfact]

Surachai: Case file sent to ex-PM Yingluck within timeframe



BANGKOK: -- The National Legislative Assembly has forwarded the case file of the impeachment case to former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra within the required timeframe, NLA vice president Surachai Liangboonlertchai said today.

Ms Yingluck’s lawyers have asked the NLA to postpone the deliberation of the impeachment case claiming that the former prime minister had just returned from abroad and had not received the case file.

Mr Surachai said that Ms Yingluck or her lawyers would have to explain to the NLA why deliberation of the case, scheduled tomorrow, had to be postponed and if the explanation is reasonable, the NLA is ready to respond to the request.

The NLA vice president explained that the assembly wanted to rush the case because it has wanted to protect the rights of the accused, Ms Yingluck, so that she would go free if she was cleared of the impeachment bid.

However, he said that it would depend on the majority of the NLA whether to put off the case or not.

(Photo : Thai PBS File)

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/surachai-case-file-sent-ex-pm-yingluck-within-timeframe/


-- Thai PBS 2014-11-11

[mikemac]

Here we go again!! We can't win at the ballot-box, but we can always trust the "independent" Thai judiciary to do the dirty work for us!!

Your comment not only made me laugh it proved to me that you are very much out of touch with reality.

I am currently sitting in a rice farming village about an hour's drive east of Surin. Harvesting has just finished and the people here are saying the prices are down this year but rather than blame big ol' mean junta they are pointing the finger at the previous government. These are people who loyally sold their votes to the Shins for years.

I agree with you on one thing only - Bring on the elections !

[Robby nz]

A truly vile sickening hateful elite system based on fear and censorship -

Their days are numbered as credible -

Barbaric evil judicial oppressive state

Fortunately Fred that has gone now with the demise of the Thaksin puppet Yingluck, or should I use his word clone, excuse for a government.

Once reforms are in place which will prevent crooked politicians of any party from ever again getting into power and people can exercise their vote without threats, bribery or intimidation, where all parties can campaign freely in all parts of the country without hate or fear influencing the vote then things will be on the right track.

With important reforms in education, health, justice, police, checks and balances and others an elected Govt will have little choice to work for the people and not for a convicted criminal hiding overseas.

Yes I know a tall order, but we must live in hope.

[mikemac]

Here we go again!! We can't win at the ballot-box, but we can always trust the "independent" Thai judiciary to do the dirty work for us!!

And the Shins' anthem then? 'We buy ourselves a cheap majority of gullible ignorants N.& E., put the pawn we have groomed to on top of it (N.B. your idol Thaksin), set (bend) the Judiciary to our hand, and with the police and the army in our pocket, we are the masters of Thailand'? Unfortunately for the clan, it didn't all go as planned with some(!) parts of the Judiciary and the Military. And there might also have been another 'family' which did not agree (anymore)... All considerations you may not be busy with, but that I like to put forward to balance your, mind you, for me far from totally incorrect, opinion. Do two wrongs make a right though? Not for me! Only totally new movements and parties, excluding all existing politicians and colour-coded (anti-) 'heroes', bound by their published programs, and made automatically responsible for all their actions, could IMO bring the country forward, with a Judiciary serving Justice to all, with the Military in their barracks, the police doing, exclusively(!) a, good, police job, and, why not, to make it entirely irrealistic, all people becoming a, totally different, decent, education. My dream for Thailand, which will alas probably remain a dream forever... What is your dream JOC?

The army is in the Shinawatras pocket?

All credibility got up and walked out the door as your fingers were typing this little piece of illogical delusion.

It would have been if they had their way.

Go back and have a look at who they had lined up for the top jobs in the military.

I doubt if he wants to go back and look at anything Robby, he is only interested in fishing for "bites".

[Robespiere]

It happens so often in Thailand that there is a procedure for it. The current government has been endorsed by H.M. and, as a non-citizen, that is plenty good enough for me. If you read the current rules, you will note that it is not allowed to talk treason on this forum. Speaking as an outsider and as a non-Thai, I am not very favorably impressed with any Thai government I have ever read about in the history books so, the term, "Pick you poison" comes to mind. If I had a say-so, which I don't, I can hardly think of a more destructive individual to ever curse Thailand with his presence than Thaksin Shinawatra. He is responsible for so many innocent deaths with his military suppression of the Deep South, his so-called 'drug war', his attempt at soft coups in 2009 and an even larger one in 2010, and the deaths of the anti-Yingluck protesters this year, and those deaths were all on his orders or behalf. Considering how he has divided the people into color-coded politics, spurred class warfare/envy, repeatedly looted the country, suppressed reporters/NGOs/human rights, etc., etc., and attempted to set himself up as 'President for Life', I would choose any government over one influenced/controlled/ dominated by him. I hope this answers your question.

textbook delusion.

[webfact]

National Legislative Assembly whip postpone impeachment motion hearing against ex-PM Yingluck from tomorrow to Nov 28 /MCOT