Baerboxer Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Of course in the mean time 2 innocent boys stay in jail. In the meantime 2 charged men remain in custody in accordance with Thai law. Innocent until proven guilty. Charged suspects until the case dismissed or time barred. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBensen Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I think responsibility for authorities in developing nations abusing legal systems, using torture, abusibg human rights etc ... has to lie with the examples set by those countries which are supposedly developed. Look at Guantanamoo, illegal detention and torture on a large scale. Russia and China the same. Children learn by watching, more than listening. Money. Most People want it, lots of it, and will do.anything to get it. Why?? Because at the moment, most minds believe that humity is divided into a hierarchy and most people.want to feel higher up on that hierarchy than those around them. It's a mentality of competition, rather than cooperation ... and I dont think.the mentality of we humans will change from competition to cooperation until something very extreme humans and we are then forced to.realise that money is a piece of paper,just coloured paper, you cant drink it and you cant eat it or live under it. Human minds are.very resistant to.change. They change slowly, if at all, unless something extremely emotional happens to them. So theres no.use Thailand bashing, the problem is everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 What the hell do they need to see the NHRC for. Prayut and his hand picked crony at the top of the police have already declared the investigation 'perfect'. Pigs will fly before those two would admit making a mistake on that level. Seems that the head of police at least has been spending 100's of millions of baht recently as well buying up Shinawatra family assets. Wonder where that all came from................. Sophistry at it's best. Suggest any connection that suits. Such imagination. The whole strata of the hiso Thai elite who run this country have vast wealth. Many would he hard pressed to explain and show where it really came from. Some probably can though. But none of them are likely to. Chalerm's "holiday" in Denmark is a classic example of unusual wealth - which blew over so he returned. Thaksin was more transparent with some of his crooked deals as he doesn't give a fig about the law and simply lies. Suthep is always more foggy, alleged but nothing proven. And so it goes on, and on as no one on the roundabout is interested in stopping or getting off. And no one is going to challenge anyone important about where there money came from. Unlike in developed countries where banks now want proof of where even small amounts came from. You are right that no one will admit to being wrong, making a mistake or not knowing something. Not in this culture, Better to lie than loose face. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMHERE Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I was thinking maybe this is all part of the plan.... drag it all out as long as possible and eventually the 2 lads get released... then the investigation will just go stale a bit like the kirsty jones case in Chaingmai that is still not concluded... I think the boys will die in jail or will be released and die on the trip back to Burma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 It is a good thing that human rights groups from outside of Thailand are keeping the spotlight on this case. The world is waiting and watching to see how far officials will push this frame-up of the two innocent Burmese boys. Meanwhile, no effort is being made to identify and catch the actual people that did commit that horrific crime. https://www.change.org/p/the-government-of-the-united-kingdom-independently-investigate-the-horrific-murders-of-hannah-witheridge-and-david-miller/u/8753291?tk=2nNgPK60w-Ddf7bWzfK-32Cuf5wDVOpgpoxkye0KC68&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=petition_update_email The perpetrators have been identified, and caught. However, after a few bob exchanged hands with the elite mob something bizarre happened - they got let off, and new perpetrators were suddenly found. Are you referring to the first group identified, the second, the third? The fourth are in jail awaiting charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmatix Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 After the police miss the last deadline there is nothing the NCHR can do because its power to prosecute was dissolved with the 2007 constitution. All it can do is file charges with the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 It is a good thing that human rights groups from outside of Thailand are keeping the spotlight on this case. The world is waiting and watching to see how far officials will push this frame-up of the two innocent Burmese boys. Meanwhile, no effort is being made to identify and catch the actual people that did commit that horrific crime.The perpetrators have been identified, and caught. However, after a few bob exchanged hands with the elite mob something bizarre happened - they got let off, and new perpetrators were suddenly found.Are you referring to the first group identified, the second, the third? The fourth are in jail awaiting charges.The reference must be to the two who were and should still be the prime suspects: Mon and Nomsod. A few others were floated as possible suspects early on, but no sensible person gave it any credence. There were short-lived mentions of a jealous farang boyfriend of David's and other such nonsense, which Thai cops were floating in the hopes enough of the stupid masses might latch on to those ideas. Nearly all Thai and nearly all farang who've been following this case closely, agree that Mon and Nomsod should still be the prime suspects, and if there are any more involved in the crime, they too will be involved with the headman. If British experts are brave enough (and are allowed) to submit their evidence, the headman's people (which could include one or more cops or bouncers at his bars) will likely be implicated. It's clear as day that all efforts by Thai officialdom are trying desperately to stifle or belittle any announcements by the Brit experts. Indeed, Thai officialdom has gotten in a bad habit of SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF Brit experts, while the Brits stay silent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffinator Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 If police fail to meet the new deadline, he said at the November 26 NHRC meeting he will propose that the commission lodge a complaint and take legal action against concerned police officers in accordance with the NHRC Act's Article 34. Which will result in a number of transfers to 'inactive' posts. What a joke! This whole case stinks and it'll be interesting to see the report from Scotland Yard in due course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 This whole charade is enough to make a cat laugh. It makes the US legal system almost look respectable....? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cake Monster Posted November 18, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2014 The NHRC may not have the huge teeth that some people would wish them to have, but they are the only organisation that the western countries have against atrocities committed against other human beings who are usually unable to defend themselves. Surely a criminal charge by the NHRC against an already highly tarnished Thai Police Force and an acting " Government " that condones such human rights abuses will damage the countries reputation even further. With all the other issues that are rearing there ugly heads inside Thailand, business leaders and investors from around the globe will be asking if this country is a good place to be associated with, especially as there are more favourable placed to do businees now in SE Asia now. Pakaging containing the words " made / product of Thailand " is not a good thing to have on your product any more, and by association the companies will be as guilty as the actual criminals, and that is a place they dont want to be. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 It is a good thing that human rights groups from outside of Thailand are keeping the spotlight on this case. The world is waiting and watching to see how far officials will push this frame-up of the two innocent Burmese boys. Meanwhile, no effort is being made to identify and catch the actual people that did commit that horrific crime.The perpetrators have been identified, and caught. However, after a few bob exchanged hands with the elite mob something bizarre happened - they got let off, and new perpetrators were suddenly found.Are you referring to the first group identified, the second, the third? The fourth are in jail awaiting charges.The reference must be to the two who were and should still be the prime suspects: Mon and Nomsod. A few others were floated as possible suspects early on, but no sensible person gave it any credence. There were short-lived mentions of a jealous farang boyfriend of David's and other such nonsense, which Thai cops were floating in the hopes enough of the stupid masses might latch on to those ideas. Nearly all Thai and nearly all farang who've been following this case closely, agree that Mon and Nomsod should still be the prime suspects, and if there are any more involved in the crime, they too will be involved with the headman. If British experts are brave enough (and are allowed) to submit their evidence, the headman's people (which could include one or more cops or bouncers at his bars) will likely be implicated. It's clear as day that all efforts by Thai officialdom are trying desperately to stifle or belittle any announcements by the Brit experts. Indeed, Thai officialdom has gotten in a bad habit of SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF Brit experts, while the Brits stay silent. Posters here have gotten in a bad habit of speaking on behalf of the British experts too. Alibis were provided and examined on all previous suspects. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 So says the spokesman for the RTP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masuk Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 What the hell do they need to see the NHRC for. Prayut and his hand picked crony at the top of the police have already declared the investigation 'perfect'. Pigs will fly before those two would admit making a mistake on that level. Seems that the head of police at least has been spending 100's of millions of baht recently as well buying up Shinawatra family assets. Wonder where that all came from................. It will be interesting to see what the UK police have to say. Their comments would no doubt have as much weight as the NHRC. but at least a lot more public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globeman Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 The BIB won't bother to meet the deadline and then what, another of the infamous ' deadline extensions ' then another and ... ? I'm sure the junta won't order the National Police Chief to ensure compliance since the PM personally backed the investigators to the hilt. So much for reform. Was anyone here naive enough to think it would actually happen? Interestingly enough I have noticed that the forum cheerleaders for the military takeover seem to be giving us all a little less "sis-boom-ba" and "go tigers!" than they were a few weeks back... Just remember folks, raging hatred of the Shinawatra clan is not sufficient reason to trust someone else instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 So says the spokesman for the RTPNope, so says the articles about this story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I hope I'm wrong but I'm not sure the British Police will even make a public statement on this? Going by their official statement on their return to the UK "They will now be returning to the UK to compile their report and to update the families of Hannah and David on their findings" http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29999735 No doubt we will get some information at Hannah's inquest, but apart from any behind the scenes pressure or evidence they may have supplied to the RTP, thats where it currently remains, behind the scenes. Anyway fingers crossed I am wrong on this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnniey Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 What the hell do they need to see the NHRC for. Prayut and his hand picked crony at the top of the police have already declared the investigation 'perfect'. Pigs will fly before those two would admit making a mistake on that level. Seems that the head of police at least has been spending 100's of millions of baht recently as well buying up Shinawatra family assets. Wonder where that all came from................. Did you know it's illegal to criticize the leaders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandchilli Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 So says the spokesman for the RTPNope, so says the articles about this story. Yes those same articles are very good at speaking on behalf of the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidee Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 will they listen to the taxi driver that was almost coherced into giving a false testemony ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 So says the spokesman for the RTPNope, so says the articles about this story. Yes those same articles are very good at speaking on behalf of the UK Nope, different articles. Though some posters certainly have no issue with speaking for the British. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 will they listen to the taxi driver that was almost coherced into giving a false testemony ? If his testimony is credible and relevant, I am sure that the defense will call him (if this goes to trial) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casindonet Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 And who is NHRC going to complain to? The BIB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampolee Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 jdinasia post # 51. If his testimony is credible and relevant, I am sure that the defense will call him (if this goes to trial) So going by your comment above we can now assume you openly support perjury. along with the perversion of justice ? Hope you never get your collar felt here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakobvarming Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 The BIB won't bother to meet the deadline and then what, another of the infamous ' deadline extensions ' then another and ... ? I'm sure the junta won't order the National Police Chief to ensure compliance since the PM personally backed the investigators to the hilt. Sorry, I'm a Newbie... what's BIB..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampolee Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 jacobvarming post # 54 Sorry, I'm a Newbie... what's BIB..? ''Boys in Brown,'' a reference to the Thai police farce force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 jacobvarming post # 54 Sorry, I'm a Newbie... what's BIB..? ''Boys in Brown,'' a reference to the Thai police farce force And what's the meaning of B2? I don't know that yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilSA1 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 The BIB won't bother to meet the deadline and then what, another of the infamous ' deadline extensions ' then another and ... ? I'm sure the junta won't order the National Police Chief to ensure compliance since the PM personally backed the investigators to the hilt. The PM surely did what any good 'manager' who is in control of staff is expected to do ... support his staff until / unless, adverse facts come to light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowsdawdle Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 This whole charade is enough to make a cat laugh. It makes the US legal system almost look respectable....? Toonces? 5555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowsdawdle Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 jacobvarming post # 54 Sorry, I'm a Newbie... what's BIB..? ''Boys in Brown,'' a reference to the Thai police farce force And what's the meaning of B2? I don't know that yet.... Second yellow jacket out of the hive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowsdawdle Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 The BIB won't bother to meet the deadline and then what, another of the infamous ' deadline extensions ' then another and ... ? I'm sure the junta won't order the National Police Chief to ensure compliance since the PM personally backed the investigators to the hilt. Sorry, I'm a Newbie... what's BIB..? A brown kerchief or "bib" worn around the neck so food won't stain your shirt, and can also be used to conceal tea money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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