Khon Kaen students protest at coup during PM's speech

[JAG]

baboon your right as the question is who is the bravest the ex army chief now PM fighting for democracy after years of corruption or a handful of students pulling a prank wearing t shirts, that could have been misinterpreted as a terrorist attack or assasination attempt? Bravery isn't the same as stupidity.

Come back, ginjag. All is forgiven...

Maybe he is Ginjag - on steroids!

[chooka]

Story's on the BBC now.

on the Australian news this morning also, again people are laughing at the junta around the world. They just don't think before they act or actually realise The world is watching the P.M and laughing thier tips off.

I am sure the dear leader will now make a public statement saying he has ordered all ambassadors to report and bow before him and be sent away for further attitude adjustments until the world shows thier respect and love for the leader and say sorry for disrespecting him on thier news channels.

[tullynagardy]

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Some nonsense back and forth bickering posts that were becoming increasingly inflammatory have been removed as well.

Not criticizing the moderation but it`s now crystal clear the juntas ability to track, monitor and censor online discussion (despite their best efforts) is crude at best and non existent at worst. Even more so for English language.

More and more anti government websites are openly appearing and facebook is full of them. If the world is referring to Thailand in this way and Thais themselves are increasingly referring to the current situation in this way, it`s surely only a matter of time until this forum will have to follow suit.

The end of this nonsense is nigh, thank the lord. (well to an extent as Lese majeste laws will remain.)

[JAG]

I hope you're right Tullynagardy, but I fear that before the end comes there may well be a period of bloody repression, I doubt this bunch will give up power easily.

They do have something of a record when it comes to shooting protesters - live fire zones and all that .

Mind you there are some on this forum (post 116 for example) who would see nothing wrong in that !

Edited November 19, 2014 by JAG

[Wilsonandson]

I hope you're right Tullynagardy, but I fear that before the end comes there may well be a period of bloody repression, I doubt this bunch will give up power easily.

They do have something of a record when it comes to shooting protesters - live fire zones and all that .

Mind you there are some on this forum (post 116 for example) who would see nothing wrong in that !

And there are some who condone the use of grenades thrown at protesters and innocent children shopping at supermarkets. Yes we could go on and on about this divide in the country so that's why the PM is here today to guide the country through reform to put an end to this divide and get all Thais back on the right track again, working together as one nation for the better. Patriotic people who help their fellow man.

[aussieinthailand]

chooka post # 15

opinions are not appreciated under the current regime and people are being programed to have one thought only and that is for the admiration of dear leader.

Opinions were not appreciated under the past regimes and people were being programmed to have one thought only and that is for the admiration of the then puppet master dear leader and his clan and their ilk.

Sorry mate but you are wrong,

Do you recall the whistle blowing lady that was given a gold whistle by Suthep??? after blowing her whistling brains out in Y/L's ear she was told it's ok you have the right to protest that is democracy, so it seems opinions did matter and were given to expression without "any army registration camps or attitude adjustment.

[Fat Haggis]

I hope you're right Tullynagardy, but I fear that before the end comes there may well be a period of bloody repression, I doubt this bunch will give up power easily.

They do have something of a record when it comes to shooting protesters - live fire zones and all that .

Mind you there are some on this forum (post 116 for example) who would see nothing wrong in that !

And there are some who condone the use of grenades thrown at protesters and innocent children shopping at supermarkets. Yes we could go on and on about this divide in the country so that's why the PM is here today to guide the country through reform to put an end to this divide and get all Thais back on the right track again, working together as one nation for the better. Patriotic people who help their fellow man.

How's that been working out in the South for you seeing they've had a decade head start over the togetherness and reconciliation effort? ?

[Laughing Gravy]

There were only 5 of them, so it was not a protest. Any meeting comprising more than 5 is a protest.

5 is a start for anything. Now 5 million that would be different. As Lenin said (No I am Not a Communist) Politics begins where the masses are, not where there are thousands but where there are millions, that is where serious politics begins.

[Laughing Gravy]

From decade, it's the first we see a Premier work for all Thai. He come in Northeast to see and help issan people affect by drought.

It's very pity to see some group of people oppose to save Country. Country need reform to go forward

Yeah. 'If you are not on our side, you are a traitor to the country.' Blinkered flapdoodle like this is the reason Thailand is currently in the mess it is, politically.

Isn't that called nationalism? Much prefer patriotism where justified.

[fab4]

Now they took a lot of guts knowing exactly what the outcome would be.

Taking away no doubt for obligatory attitude adjustment talk however this is only the start of a massive ground swell.

Nice touch by the PM by saying anyone else want to protest?

Well yes prime minister how about the millions who want their democracy back.

Congratulations to the five for standing up for what they believe in and I hope they are all ok.

Absolutely.

Even the Pheu Thai stepped in and had prominent member Amnuay Khlangpha say there was no need for PM Prayut to go visiting the NorthEast and annoy the peaceful people there. He should stay in Bangkok for more urgent business, like speeding up the reform process and so to make sure he can step down as soon as possible.

Well, in a way its good to have a PM who actually does some work and is appreciated for it, even by those who 'do not obstruct' by 'not co-operating'

Amnuay Khlangpha has a very good point, he does have more important issues to deal with, such as removing martial law and lessening the paranoid reliance on censorship. There is no need for the self appointed PM to go to the NE in person just to tell the officials of the various organisations responsible for water conservation/use that he will be following "progress" on the drought and if it happens again next year, they will be in trouble and he "will use this in their performance evaluations" - seriously, he said that.

Now, no doubt the junta punters will come out and say this is all very fine (prime example above) but does he not understand the principles of "delegation".

and then there's always Skype........................................

Edited November 20, 2014 by fab4

[fab4]

There were only 5 of them, so it was not a protest. Any meeting comprising more than 5 is a protest.

5 is a start for anything. Now 5 million that would be different. As Lenin said (No I am Not a Communist) Politics begins where the masses are, not where there are thousands but where there are millions, that is where serious politics begins.

To give them the respect they are due, they are part of a group known as Dao Din who have given their (physical in some cases) support to the villagers involved in the Loei and Wang Saphung Gold Mine protests. Changes can, and should, be made at local level without the support of millions - it's still serious politics to those involved.

Perhaps djjamie can provide more information as those involved are students at Kohn Kaen University, as he claims to have his finger on the pulse of Kohn Kaen society?

Edited November 20, 2014 by fab4

[4u2mad]

Please use discretion in your references to the government. Phrases which can be considered as anti-coup will be removed. Referring to Thailand or the government as a dictatorship, military dictatorship or other such terms will be removed.

So we can use military coup government, caretaker government? without offending anyone? Don't get me wrong, at least there are no street protests shutting down areas of the major cities, and things generally seem to be getting done.

But please when will the military coup governments Department of Information and Technology unblock the Daily Mail website?

[AleG]

chooka post # 15

opinions are not appreciated under the current regime and people are being programed to have one thought only and that is for the admiration of dear leader.

Opinions were not appreciated under the past regimes and people were being programmed to have one thought only and that is for the admiration of the then puppet master dear leader and his clan and their ilk.

Sorry mate but you are wrong,

Do you recall the whistle blowing lady that was given a gold whistle by Suthep??? after blowing her whistling brains out in Y/L's ear she was told it's ok you have the right to protest that is democracy, so it seems opinions did matter and were given to expression without "any army registration camps or attitude adjustment.

I do recall also the woman that blew a whistle at Thaksin's ex (and one of the heavyweights pulling strings behind PTP scnenes) having her house bombed twice and her mother's home riddled with bullets. You don't recall that?

[Nickymaster]

chooka post # 15

opinions are not appreciated under the current regime and people are being programed to have one thought only and that is for the admiration of dear leader.

Opinions were not appreciated under the past regimes and people were being programmed to have one thought only and that is for the admiration of the then puppet master dear leader and his clan and their ilk.

Sorry mate but you are wrong,

Do you recall the whistle blowing lady that was given a gold whistle by Suthep??? after blowing her whistling brains out in Y/L's ear she was told it's ok you have the right to protest that is democracy, so it seems opinions did matter and were given to expression without "any army registration camps or attitude adjustment.

I do recall also the woman that blew a whistle at Thaksin's ex (and one of the heavyweights pulling strings behind PTP scnenes) having her house bombed twice and her mother's home riddled with bullets. You don't recall that?

Yep.

The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order (CMPO) on Friday issued a summon for those who blew whistles at former wilfe of Thaksin Shinawatra.

CMPO’s member Tarit Pengdit said if they fail to report themselves, he will seek arrest warrant against them.

Earlier a pipe bomb was thrown into house of a rally leader who blew at whistle at the former wife of fugitive expremier Thaksin Shinawatra in Klong Toey district early this morning. The bomb however was a dud and failed to explode.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/CMPO-summons-Pojamans-whistle-blowers-30228037.html

[heybruce]

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I wonder how much they got paid by Thaksin? Publicity stunts are right up his alley. IMO more stunts like this will be taking place in the near distant future to try and illigitimize the current government and bring back the popular Thaksin clan from self exile. Why he is so interested in politics is frightening, try a new hobby such as basket weaving or stamp collecting?

Translation--"It's Thaksin's fault!"

How could this happen at such a high profile event with the PM of Thailand speaking at the time this protest occured. It could have been much worse, what if they wanted to attack or hurt the PM. If this was the U.S.A this would be top of the world news headlines. Security at PM events must be tightened and thank god nothing terrible did happen today. I fully expect these protesters to be locked up for such a dangerous prank. They are lucky they weren't shot by security.

A three finger salute is a dangerous prank? One that warrants being shot? The students should be locked up?

Taking this thinking to its logical extreme, Suthep and protesters who shut down government, illegally occupied land and used violence and intimidation to disrupt an election should have been mowed down with machine guns.

baboon your right as the question is who is the bravest the ex army chief now PM fighting for democracy after years of corruption or a handful of students pulling a prank wearing t shirts, that could have been misinterpreted as a terrorist attack or assasination attempt? Bravery isn't the same as stupidity.

Suspending the constitution, dissolving all democratic institutions, banning political gatherings, censoring the press, restricting speech, holding people incommunicado and without charge for "attitude adjustment", and keeping martial law in place months after any meaningful opposition--is that how one fights for democracy?

Excuse me, there was a knock on my door so I'm going to hide under my bed--it could be an assassination attempt!

Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country-jfk. Stop living in the past and get with the present. Reform. It's been a long time coming.

Stop living in the past except when you need Thaksin as a distraction. Regarding reform; six months after the coup and we're still waiting to learn what will be proposed.

Edited November 20, 2014 by heybruce

[mikebell]

The three-fingered salute was copied from the Hunger-Games films. The latest of which was due to be shown this week but has now been withdrawn.

[Fat Haggis]

There were only 5 of them, so it was not a protest. Any meeting comprising more than 5 is a protest.

5 is a start for anything. Now 5 million that would be different. As Lenin said (No I am Not a Communist) Politics begins where the masses are, not where there are thousands but where there are millions, that is where serious politics begins.

7% of 65,000,000 is 4,500,000 which is what the polls are saying is the non junta lovers ?

Which is actually more than the amount of protestors that caused Bangkok to gridlock both commercially and politically.

Less than that occupied key locations like Government house and blockaded election stations, it was enough to cause the coup in the first place with less than 7%

Now do you see why the good General is more than concerned?

Add to this the number of anti Junta groups in the South and you can easily form a picture that this is why Martial Law is here to stay for the foreseeable future ?

[Fat Haggis]

There were only 5 of them, so it was not a protest. Any meeting comprising more than 5 is a protest.

5 is a start for anything. Now 5 million that would be different. As Lenin said (No I am Not a Communist) Politics begins where the masses are, not where there are thousands but where there are millions, that is where serious politics begins.

To give them the respect they are due, they are part of a group known as Dao Din who have given their (physical in some cases) support to the villagers involved in the Loei and Wang Saphung Gold Mine protests. Changes can, and should, be made at local level without the support of millions - it's still serious politics to those involved.

Perhaps djjamie can provide more information as those involved are students at Kohn Kaen University, as he claims to have his finger on the pulse of Kohn Kaen society?

I have my doubts to his authenticity on his location, has anyone within TVF socialised with the guy? Especially other " like minded political " members?

I'd be interested if he's never met up with any of the other Khon kaen members just to say " hi" and have a few beers and eat pizza, and just speak to others in his own language .

Some one who is clearly passionate about his cause can't keep that passion to themselves, they have to mingle with like minded people.

His claims of threats to his family when he was there simply don't add up, I would not be in the least bit surprised if he, along with his family are not actually in Kohn Kaen, but Australia and have been for a number of years.

Such an ardent supporter of the PM and the Junta, I'm surprised no pictures were posted as "proof of life " so to speak as he would have taken his family out to see the "show" so to speak.

We only have his word about these threats and intomidation but call me " sudpicious" if you and your family were threatened would you not take them to a Farang friends house for that added bit of security?

First sign of any bother with me, I can make a few calls and half a dozen or so blokes in the same line of work will be at my home within 3-5 hours and a safe house for the family would be sorted for the short term too.

Ive only lived here 2 years, for Jamie having been allegedly here for 5+ years would have a much greater network of connections that he could easily have taken his family out of Kohn Kaen within hours of being threatened, by all accounts he/they stayed so either there was no threat and he's telling stories to garner sympathy or else he is more if a loner with no friend to assist and decided that he could "handle " the situation by staying!! Which again doesn't sound like it was much of a threat to begin with??

I have my doubts to many of Jamie's claims and I know I'm not the only one who's suspicious of many of his claims.

He post some good stuff from time to time but the rest are cleverly done to make people bite,he trolls and is very patronising and condescending at times too, I'm sure some of his buddies he goes out with in Kohn Kaen can totally refute this post?

[pantareiyingluck]

It is like Myanmar. A general puts on a suit and TRIES to look human.

[aussieinthailand]

chooka post # 15

opinions are not appreciated under the current regime and people are being programed to have one thought only and that is for the admiration of dear leader.

Opinions were not appreciated under the past regimes and people were being programmed to have one thought only and that is for the admiration of the then puppet master dear leader and his clan and their ilk.

Sorry mate but you are wrong,

Do you recall the whistle blowing lady that was given a gold whistle by Suthep??? after blowing her whistling brains out in Y/L's ear she was told it's ok you have the right to protest that is democracy, so it seems opinions did matter and were given to expression without "any army registration camps or attitude adjustment.

I do recall also the woman that blew a whistle at Thaksin's ex (and one of the heavyweights pulling strings behind PTP scnenes) having her house bombed twice and her mother's home riddled with bullets. You don't recall that?

Yu'p remember that, and those that did this should be thrown in gaol with all the other violent thugs, red or yellow, fair enough.

The difference would be that Y/L publicly said she has every right to protest and criticize, now the current powers say NO you can not criticize and you can NOT PROTEST, and or wright and publish any thing we don't like, and you'll be having an attitude adjustment at one of our camps if you persist.

Is that better? now you understand popit?

[metisdead]

Please use discretion in your references to the government. Phrases which can be considered as anti-coup will be removed. Referring to Thailand or the government as a dictatorship, military dictatorship or other such terms will be removed.

So we can use military coup government, caretaker government? without offending anyone? Don't get me wrong, at least there are no street protests shutting down areas of the major cities, and things generally seem to be getting done.

But please when will the military coup governments Department of Information and Technology unblock the Daily Mail website?

So we can use military coup government, caretaker government?

Those comments are ok.

If the Daily Mail had not posted some articles that was damaging to the Royal family, also known as Les Majeste, MICT would not have blocked them.

[tullynagardy]

Please use discretion in your references to the government. Phrases which can be considered as anti-coup will be removed. Referring to Thailand or the government as a dictatorship, military dictatorship or other such terms will be removed.

So we can use military coup government, caretaker government? without offending anyone? Don't get me wrong, at least there are no street protests shutting down areas of the major cities, and things generally seem to be getting done.

But please when will the military coup governments Department of Information and Technology unblock the Daily Mail website?

If the Daily Mail had not posted some articles that was damaging to the Royal family, also known as Les Majeste, MICT would not have blocked them.

I think it is widely accepted Lese majeste is grossly abused as a cover to block any site that is against the junta. Not that they are in any way competent as it as countless sites now exist to work around these draconian measures and are used by millions daily.

[metisdead]

Please use discretion in your references to the government. Phrases which can be considered as anti-coup will be removed. Referring to Thailand or the government as a dictatorship, military dictatorship or other such terms will be removed.

So we can use military coup government, caretaker government? without offending anyone? Don't get me wrong, at least there are no street protests shutting down areas of the major cities, and things generally seem to be getting done.

But please when will the military coup governments Department of Information and Technology unblock the Daily Mail website?

If the Daily Mail had not posted some articles that was damaging to the Royal family, also known as Les Majeste, MICT would not have blocked them.

I think it is widely accepted Lese majeste is grossly abused as a cover to block any site that is against the junta. Not that they are in any way competent as it as countless sites now exist to work around these draconian measures and are used by millions daily.

The content that got the Daily Mail blocked had nothing to do with the coup.

[Wilsonandson]

The current powers are saying this now because we have martial law still and the people of Thailand need a rest from this divide stirred up by corrupt politicians and their political propogandar groups. we are living in a tense Thailand still so stirring up trouble for the moment needs to be controlled. If not this vicous cycle of violence could happen again soon. First steps is to promote peace and harmony in Thailand.

[dukebowling]

"You have a death wish or something?"

It's called a wish for freedom…something brave men make sacrifices for while the weak hide behind the facade of safety.

[Wilsonandson]

The weak hide alright in Dubai. Singapore. Japan. The brave go to Kon Kaen to promote peace and reform tp give them and the people a transparent, uncorrupt, beginnings of true breathable, fresh democracy. A Thai democracy written by the Thai people.

[heybruce]

Heybruce thanks for the publicity. Your a true Thaksinite. He'll be so proud of you.

You make no attempt to contest my reply to your post, you simply accuse me of being a Thaksinite. Clearly you are another binary thinker--anyone who isn't in the Prayuth Fan Club must be a Thaksin supporter. If you're not ginjag then you must be his clone.

Edited November 20, 2014 by heybruce

[heybruce]

The current powers are saying this now because we have martial law still and the people of Thailand need a rest from this divide stirred up by corrupt politicians and their political propogandar groups. we are living in a tense Thailand still so stirring up trouble for the moment needs to be controlled. If not this vicous cycle of violence could happen again soon. First steps is to promote peace and harmony in Thailand.

"this divide stirred up by corrupt politicians"? While I agree Suthep was corrupt, I think the root cause of the divide was a political party, ironically named Democrats, who knew they couldn't win an election so they wanted to prevent elections. Much to their delight they succeeded in stirring up enough trouble to prompt the military, which had motives unrelated to democracy, to stage a coup.

Martial law should only be used in emergencies, and should be lifted when the emergency passes. The only emergency now is that a military government is in place, tolerates no dissent, and is noncommittal about when they will relinquish power.

I don't think repression is the best way to promote peace and harmony.

I look forward to continuing this debate, I think you'll be as funny as ginjag.

[Wilsonandson]

The PM office is a job. At the moment the PM is Prayuth. He is not a one man band he has many supporters. His job as PM is to serve the public the best he can. If you don't agree with his views on running the country then when the reforms are complete you may vote on who you want to represent the people. Reforms will take time and I agree it can be frustrating when discussing politics so for those who feel left out why not send off your opinions to the reform commitees and voice your concern to them.

[Wilsonandson]

I am not trolling. Its my opinion. You have your and I have mine. I fail to understand your negativity towards me, but also I understand that we weren't all made the same an maybe a chip on ones shoulder could be the difference between your type and mine.