The only election we will have anytime soon are the ones we wake up with in the morning !!!

True ... there isn't an election planned for about 12 months.

btw is this not the same one posted a week ago???

Yes but that one was done by ATRCH. This one is done by NIDA. Another group of sycophants but much of the same.

(ATRCH = Association of Thai Researchers in Community Happiness)

Yes, you and whybother are correct, I didn't word my post very well.

However, if I'm reading their results correctly they are claiming a margin of error of 1.4% which is not correct given population numbers and numbers polled.

http://www.robertniles.com/stats/margin.shtml

The margin of error in a sample = 1 divided by the square root of the number of people in the sample

Now, remember that the size of the entire population doesn't matter when you're measuring the accuracy of polls. You could have a nation of 250,000 people or 250 million and that won't affect how big your sample needs to be to come within your desired margin of error. The Math Gods just don't care.

btw is this not the same one posted a week ago???

Yes but that one was done by ATRCH. This one is done by NIDA. Another group of sycophants but much of the same.

(ATRCH = Association of Thai Researchers in Community Happiness)

"Yes but that one was done by ATRCH. This one is done by NIDA."

One poll was done by ATRCH. This one by NIDA. So, the answer would be "No, it is not the same", wouldn't it?

btw is this not the same one posted a week ago???

Yes but that one was done by ATRCH. This one is done by NIDA. Another group of sycophants but much of the same.

(ATRCH = Association of Thai Researchers in Community Happiness)

"Yes but that one was done by ATRCH. This one is done by NIDA."

One poll was done by ATRCH. This one by NIDA. So, the answer would be "No, it is not the same", wouldn't it?

Same rubbish so yes.

They should probably stop taking polls and just do what they set out to do whatever that was. Eventually, people will start to lose patience.

They should probably stop taking polls and just do what they set out to do whatever that was. Eventually, people will start to lose patience.

Yes, the polling companies should stop conducting polls and do what they set out to do ... which is conducting polls.

Yes, you and whybother are correct, I didn't word my post very well.

However, if I'm reading their results correctly they are claiming a margin of error of 1.4% which is not correct given population numbers and numbers polled.

http://www.robertniles.com/stats/margin.shtml

The margin of error in a sample = 1 divided by the square root of the number of people in the sample

Now, remember that the size of the entire population doesn't matter when you're measuring the accuracy of polls. You could have a nation of 250,000 people or 250 million and that won't affect how big your sample needs to be to come within your desired margin of error. The Math Gods just don't care.

Unless I'm misunderstanding the original poll results, they are claiming 1.4% margin of error from 1,252 people, but your link says you need 1,600 people to get a 2.5% margin of error, so one of those is wrong by quite a bit.

btw is this not the same one posted a week ago???

Yes but that one was done by ATRCH. This one is done by NIDA. Another group of sycophants but much of the same.

(ATRCH = Association of Thai Researchers in Community Happiness)

"Yes but that one was done by ATRCH. This one is done by NIDA."

One poll was done by ATRCH. This one by NIDA. So, the answer would be "No, it is not the same", wouldn't it?

Not necessarily, if they use the correct polling techniques - which are standard. Open-ended and closed-ended questions, pre-planned and tested, and analysed using KAP surveys which include demographics of the interviewees, etc. However, seeing as students are generally as thick as a quagmire, I doubt any standards were followed, and so neither poll would be valid. Polls in Thailand are worth as much as fag packet pissed up ideas after 10 beers.

Unless I'm misunderstanding the original poll results, they are claiming 1.4% margin of error from 1,252 people, but your link says you need 1,600 people to get a 2.5% margin of error, so one of those is wrong by quite a bit.

They have reported a "Standard Error" of 1.4. Standard Error is different to Margin of Error. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_error

The margin of error would be 2.8%.

"Yes but that one was done by ATRCH. This one is done by NIDA."

One poll was done by ATRCH. This one by NIDA. So, the answer would be "No, it is not the same", wouldn't it?

Not necessarily, if they use the correct polling techniques - which are standard. Open-ended and closed-ended questions, pre-planned and tested, and analysed using KAP surveys which include demographics of the interviewees, etc. However, seeing as students are generally as thick as a quagmire, I doubt any standards were followed, and so neither poll would be valid. Polls in Thailand are worth as much as fag packet pissed up ideas after 10 beers.

Valid or not, this is not the same poll as reported last week.

Unless I'm misunderstanding the original poll results, they are claiming 1.4% margin of error from 1,252 people, but your link says you need 1,600 people to get a 2.5% margin of error, so one of those is wrong by quite a bit.

They have reported a "Standard Error" of 1.4. Standard Error is different to Margin of Error. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_error

The margin of error would be 2.8%.

Thank you, all that reading on a Sunday gave me a headache.

I'm obviously numerically challenged ...

The "happiness" fell from 93.3% to 50% when the poll was not conducted by the army's own polling-company!!

What a surprise!!

Different questions lead to different results.

Perhaps,...but this makes no sense from a Northern Thailand point of view. This poll must be confined to Bangkok, and registered PDRC.

Here's a different question,...why,...after 6 months as "D"addy,...does the General make one, brief trip to the North,...the Heart of Thailand?

The "happiness" fell from 93.3% to 50% when the poll was not conducted by the army's own polling-company!!

What a surprise!!

Different questions lead to different results.

Perhaps,...but this makes no sense from a Northern Thailand point of view. This poll must be confined to Bangkok, and registered PDRC.

Here's a different question,...why,...after 6 months as "D"addy,...does the General make one, brief trip to the North,...the Heart of Thailand?

From the Nida website ... google translate to English.

"conducted between 19 - 20 November 2557. from people across the country Spread across all regions "

On average, across the country, 50% of the people "are happy" with the government.

Unless I'm misunderstanding the original poll results, they are claiming 1.4% margin of error from 1,252 people, but your link says you need 1,600 people to get a 2.5% margin of error, so one of those is wrong by quite a bit.

Whether 1252 yellow shirts from Bangkok, or 1600 PDRC Elitists from Bangkok,...I saw nowhere where the majority, that is, people from the Heart of Thailand (where after 6 months, "D"addy makes one brief trip), are included in the poll.

I guess Thai people don't want or deserve democracy. Can they stop pretending and just go back to the monarchy rule? Why are they even playing?

Unless I'm misunderstanding the original poll results, they are claiming 1.4% margin of error from 1,252 people, but your link says you need 1,600 people to get a 2.5% margin of error, so one of those is wrong by quite a bit.

Whether 1252 yellow shirts from Bangkok, or 1600 PDRC Elitists from Bangkok,...I saw nowhere where the majority, that is, people from the Heart of Thailand (where after 6 months, "D"addy makes one brief trip), are included in the poll.

"I saw nowhere where the majority, that is, people from the Heart of Thailand ..., are included in the poll."

Either you didn't read the OP, or you think Issan has already seceded.

"The poll, which was conducted among 1,252 people countrywide during November 19 and 20"

"conducted between[/size] 19 - 20 November[/size] 2557. from people across the country Spread across all regions [/size]"

Would love to see the details on that. What defines "a spread?" Get a knife, and spread peanut butter across a slice of bread,...if there was a map of Thailand on the slice, most of the peanut butter would likely be on Bangkok,...maybe the arm-pit of Thailand,...not its Heart.

"conducted between[/size] 19 - 20 November[/size] 2557. from people across the country Spread across all regions [/size]"

Would love to see the details on that. What defines "a spread?" Get a knife, and spread peanut butter across a slice of bread,...if there was a map of Thailand on the slice, most of the peanut butter would likely be on Bangkok,...maybe the arm-pit of Thailand,...not its Heart.

Do you understand what random means?

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Are you happy here in BeiJing with Mao ZeDong's starvation of millions of your fellow citizens?

Are you happy here in Kiev with Stalin's starvation of millions of your fellow citizens?

Are you happy here in BKK with the stupidest dictator since Baby Doc Duvalier?

If you get all three answers correct, a lifetime supply of free Mars Bars for you.

Poll finds people happier under NCPO leadership

I'm not.

The "happiness" fell from 93.3% to 50% when the poll was not conducted by the army's own polling-company!!

What a surprise!!

I guess the pollster this time didn't carry a gun.

Edited November 23, 201411 yr by Anthony5

NCPO = sheep = Thainess......

Certainly feel a lot safer, so I guess that equates to "happier."

"conducted between[/size] 19 - 20 November[/size] 2557. from people across the country Spread across all regions [/size]"

Would love to see the details on that. What defines "a spread?" Get a knife, and spread peanut butter across a slice of bread,...if there was a map of Thailand on the slice, most of the peanut butter would likely be on Bangkok,...maybe the arm-pit of Thailand,...not its Heart.

Do you understand what random means?

Do you understand that people (students) completing these polls generally do them in BKK? They do not have the resources to travel to various provinces, and as you said 19th to 20th...... that's some travelling to cover many provinces.

You're not the new ginjag are you? nice drink, nice car?

These polls mean nothing. The real poll will come on election day (if it ever happens) then we will see how happy the Thai people were/are

I love that saying "the real poll will come on election day". used by politicians the world over especially those on the losing side.

"conducted between[/size] 19 - 20 November[/size] 2557. from people across the country Spread across all regions [/size]"

Would love to see the details on that. What defines "a spread?" Get a knife, and spread peanut butter across a slice of bread,...if there was a map of Thailand on the slice, most of the peanut butter would likely be on Bangkok,...maybe the arm-pit of Thailand,...not its Heart.

Do you understand what random means?

Do you understand that people (students) completing these polls generally do them in BKK? They do not have the resources to travel to various provinces, and as you said 19th to 20th...... that's some travelling to cover many provinces.

You're not the new ginjag are you? nice drink, nice car?

It was a telephone poll.

The only election we will have anytime soon are the ones we wake up with in the morning !!!

reminds me of an old mate....reckons he hated waking up with an "election" - he and his missus were on the pension and he hated waste!

67 odd million in the country, and they think 1,200 odd people is a representative sample?

When we get to see larger numbers of people polled, know what the questions are and how they are worded, and are assured it's an even sampling over the entire country then I might start to believe these polls.

Until then, every single poll and it's results I've seen here are just a complete and utter waste of time.

I did a quick poll myself (using a representative sample of foreigners here in Thailand, i.e. me) and the conclusion was inescapable ... 100% of me believes that these polls are complete and utter bullshit. The secondary conclusion was that there are approximately 80% of Thai's that DO believe these polls. Very interesting results from a very exhaustive and indepth poll.

According to some, 5 students protesting in Khon Kaen represents the majority.

According to some "All the people I know don't like the Junta" represents the majority.

Yet when there is a poll that has proven for over 100 years to be a gauge of what the majority want it is dismissed.

PTP logic right there folks.

According to some "PTP logic right there folks" represents a clown

It seems every day or two we get these "poll results" which always spell out good news for the Junta.

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy it.

Average Thais I meet in day to day business dealings and socialising have strong opinions about the country being run by the military.

They want an end to it as soon a possible and a return to democracy by an election.

So, who believes these "poll results"?

I think no-one except a minority of very biased Thais who wanted a coup in the first place.

All the Junta is achieving is digging themselves into a deeper hole as the months go by.

Now it's the free press that are being criticised.

Military leaders are not good at listening to criticism and they sure don't like being talked back to either.

The longer they hang on to power, the more likely this will all end up being very messy.