British man arrested in Udon Thani for sex offences in the UK

[chooka]

Paedophiles, the lowest piece of excrement on the planet.

As someone who doesn't like children i dont understand why those P's love them so much, some have even sex them. Yak Yak Yak.

But lowest of the lowest of the planet? Don't think so, but those 'people' in next article come close to it IMHO.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11248683/Historic-Westminster-child-abuse-and-murder-claims-only-tip-of-the-iceberg-in-scandal-Theresa-May-warns.html

You may not think paedophiles are to bad, that's your opinion but I don't think there is anything lower on the planet than a rockspider. They do have thier supporters but I am not one of them.

[jonclark]

 

Thailand have long been a haven for fugitives of justice of all walks of crimes, from petty thieves

to major crimes, why? because, by default, the system here allow it to happened where you can

assume normal life and virtually disappear from the police radars.. but as they say, every dog

has his day...

 

So, It's all Thailands systems fault that he was allowed here and it had nothing to do with the UK's system that allowed this man with 17 counts of sexual violation to leave the UK.

Tis possible that the allegations of sexual violation were made after he left the UK so therefore at the time he left there was no reason to not let him leave.

Jimmy Saville traveled all over the world in hislifetime...and it was only until recently we discovered his very dark past.

I think best to say that despite the imperfections in the 'system' in this instance this person will be returning to rightfully (and forcibly) face the charges being brought against him.

[jacko45k]

Thailand have long been a haven for fugitives of justice of all walks of crimes, from petty thieves

to major crimes, why? because, by default, the system here allow it to happened where you can

assume normal life and virtually disappear from the police radars.. but as they say, every dog

has his day...

But the fact he can come to live here, and get a job at a school is mind-boggling.

A total of 9 years here too.

It is time the authorities became more efficient at tracking these types down and getting rid of them. Sure background checks before employing them at schools is a start. But it should not be beyond UK authorities to publicize his current passport to international immigration, and for them to check if he has arrived in their country.

I am actually in favour of them having their passports cancelled.

[jacko45k]

You are wonderful judges, you people. When were you all called to the Bar? Should we call you 'justices'?

Oh wait. You seem to have forgotten the principle of 'innocent until proven guilty'.

Let's hope none of you fine people are ever falsely accused of anything.

For this particular type of crime, I would rather he was put into a position where he is unlikely to do anything along teh same lines again (allegedly), or would you prefer he carried on working at the school while the lawyers shuffled papers?

[BKKSnowBird]

Can any of of the teachers here explain about how the criminal background check issue works -- or is supposed to work -- for teachers here in Thailand? Or even if the Thais have such a requirement?

I can understand that it's not really likely or practical to expect some government school in Nakhon Nowhere to obtain its own criminal background check on prospective teachers.

However, it's easily practical for such a school to make, and for the government to require, that as a pre-condition of hiring a new teacher that the TEACHER obtains and provides a criminal record clearance document from their home country.

What's the deal with that here???

I was a teacher for a few years. I got a police check before I left the US. Nobody ever needed it.

I think they hard to get from abroad. I dont think the embassy will do them so many may not be able provide one.

[GentlemanJim]

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Unfortunately, I know this guy and had the displeasure of working with him many years ago. All teachers should have background checks done. Especially here in Thailand, where the opportunity for predatory behavior is enhanced.

We caught him with pictures of girls on his computer, and he had been using hi5 with a fake profile to stalk young girls. It made all of us squeamish when we would see him meeting with female students. Shortly after that, he resigned from the school to work in Udon Thani. I'm not surprised at the charges in the UK, and just hope he didn't harm anyone here in Thailand.

And you did nothing? Didn't report him? ........ nice one....... alt=coffee1.gif width=32 height=24>

As far as I know, that isn't criminal conduct. Just suspicious. I'm sure you wouldn't want to be reported for images of girls and porn videos on your harddrive.

You can't have it both ways. If you are saying it was not criminal conduct you observed then you have no right to throw fuel on the fire by telling us of a perfectly legal activity that an adult is allowed to engage in. If however as you originally say he was stalking young girls then by doing nothing you were in fact complicit in any harm he did do. We all have choices, but standing bye whilst somebody is seen as a threat to young children is not one of them. If they were not a threat but just displaying legal sexual tendencies then that is their business. By the way, how did you 'catch' him with pictures of girls on his computer?

[Manbing]

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Unfortunately, I know this guy and had the displeasure of working with him many years ago. All teachers should have background checks done. Especially here in Thailand, where the opportunity for predatory behavior is enhanced.

We caught him with pictures of girls on his computer, and he had been using hi5 with a fake profile to stalk young girls. It made all of us squeamish when we would see him meeting with female students. Shortly after that, he resigned from the school to work in Udon Thani. I'm not surprised at the charges in the UK, and just hope he didn't harm anyone here in Thailand.

And you did nothing? Didn't report him? ........ nice one....... alt=coffee1.gif width=32 height=24>

Its very easy to suggest we go around reporting suspected potential 'wronguns' - Of course that would be a full time job if we really put the effort in.

However, Its hilarious to think that the movements of Farang teachers are not obvious to most Thai people around us. If any impropriety is occurring its being openly discussed you can be sure. As soon as any lines are crossed there will be an appropriate reaction from concerned Thai people.

Have you ever read a news - 'Unknown Farang committed crime that was never solved'

I have worked in 2 schools where I had concerns, one a convicted pedophile was arrested and repatriated - to read up on his continuing exploits google 'Paul Cornelius Jones'. Second was a gay teacher engaging in the same activity as the teacher in this story.

In both cases they were the most 'respected and valued' teachers in the school and any issues raised by me would have caused more problems for me than them.

Its interesting that Thai headmasters value something for nothing. So when asked to provide unpaid extracurricular activities, most of us complain.

Only people who are willing to freely share time with teenagers are happy to oblige. The same people who derive some other value from the activity that extrinsic monetry gains. Sexual excitement for example.

Which is why pedophiles are so beloved of Thai Educational establishments.

Edited November 27, 2014 by Manbing

[Seastallion]

Dirty nonce, hope the BIB give him a good shoeing and send him on his way!!

extrajudicial beatings are wrong.

pedos or anyone else. Weird thing is it is usially the pervert sexpats that point the finger, offer no compassion and shout cut his gonads off.

These poeople are sick , treat them with the same compassion you would your sick grandmother.

My sick grandma would seek help from a doctor. These pervs KNOW they are doing wrong and hide their vile crimes.

That's such a big difference that they get little compassion from me. Compassion would be use anaesthetic before castration.

[jonclark]

Can any of of the teachers here explain about how the criminal background check issue works -- or is supposed to work -- for teachers here in Thailand? Or even if the Thais have such a requirement?

I can understand that it's not really likely or practical to expect some government school in Nakhon Nowhere to obtain its own criminal background check on prospective teachers.

However, it's easily practical for such a school to make, and for the government to require, that as a pre-condition of hiring a new teacher that the TEACHER obtains and provides a criminal record clearance document from their home country.

What's the deal with that here???

The CBC in Thailand is basically fingerprint taking by the local police to see if they match (or might match future) crimes, check Address, passport etc. International schools (depending on the school) require a CBC -( often enhanced disclosure) from the home country, as they operate under international standards. Thailand, being Thailand doesn't. It runs on Thailand's standards.

CBC can take up to three months and in the UK a teacher will often work, whilst the CBC is being undertaken. Most NQT now have CBC - enhanced disclosure completed after graduation - which cuts down the time when any new CBC is done. CBC are a continuous process often undertaken when any teacher moves positions.

Also I am fairly sure that (and the law may have changed) the school must request the teacher CBC, not the teacher. The teacher signs a consent form and then the school administers the rest. This is so that there is absolutely no interference in the process by the 'applicant'. So to answer your question a Thai school would need to get the prospective teacher to sign a formal UK consent form and then the Thai school would have to apply to the relevant UK agencies for the CBC (basic / standard or enhanced).

Those practicalities (and the language barrier) make is very unlikely that this will ever become the norm in Thailand (international schools as the exception).

[AGareth2]

Some time ago I worked in a school where a teacher used to hand out porn videos.

When I mentioned this to the authorities in the school I was issued with a written notice and subsequently sacked a month later

[Manbing]

Can any of of the teachers here explain about how the criminal background check issue works -- or is supposed to work -- for teachers here in Thailand? Or even if the Thais have such a requirement?

I can understand that it's not really likely or practical to expect some government school in Nakhon Nowhere to obtain its own criminal background check on prospective teachers.

However, it's easily practical for such a school to make, and for the government to require, that as a pre-condition of hiring a new teacher that the TEACHER obtains and provides a criminal record clearance document from their home country.

What's the deal with that here???

The CBC in Thailand is basically fingerprint taking by the local police to see if they match (or might match future) crimes, check Address, passport etc. International schools (depending on the school) require a CBC -( often enhanced disclosure) from the home country, as they operate under international standards. Thailand, being Thailand doesn't. It runs on Thailand's standards.

CBC can take up to three months and in the UK a teacher will often work, whilst the CBC is being undertaken. Most NQT now have CBC - enhanced disclosure completed after graduation - which cuts down the time when any new CBC is done. CBC are a continuous process often undertaken when any teacher moves positions.

Also I am fairly sure that (and the law may have changed) the school must request the teacher CBC, not the teacher. The teacher signs a consent form and then the school administers the rest. This is so that there is absolutely no interference in the process by the 'applicant'. So to answer your question a Thai school would need to get the prospective teacher to sign a formal UK consent form and then the Thai school would have to apply to the relevant UK agencies for the CBC (basic / standard or enhanced).

Those practicalities (and the language barrier) make is very unlikely that this will ever become the norm in Thailand (international schools as the exception).

Governments charge obscene paper processing fees to release information for the public good. Eliminating this aspect, providing verified internet record access would help everyone concerned.

[Carrerakiss]

You are wonderful judges, you people. When were you all called to the Bar? Should we call you 'justices'?

Oh wait. You seem to have forgotten the principle of 'innocent until proven guilty'.

Let's hope none of you fine people are ever falsely accused of anything.

This man faces 17 charges in the UK and skips the country rather than stay and clear his name. I don't think I need to be called to the bar to determine his guilt.

I'd say he made himself guilty and deserving of every brickbat thrown at him, even without a proper trial.

However, he will presumably now get his day in court and have the opportunity to clear his name, or get locked up for a long time.

[Manbing]

Some time ago I worked in a school where a teacher used to hand out porn videos.

When I mentioned this to the authorities in the school I was issued with a written notice and subsequently sacked a month later

Exactly my point

[monkey4u]

One less Rock Spider for the kids to worry about

[JOC]

Dirty nonce, hope the BIB give him a good shoeing and send him on his way!!

extrajudicial beatings are wrong.

pedos or anyone else. Weird thing is it is usially the pervert sexpats that point the finger, offer no compassion and shout cut his gonads off.

These poeople are sick , treat them with the same compassion you would your sick grandmother.

Aren't you somehow forgetting the victims??

Wonder if you would be so understanding, if this pig put his dirty hands in your 10-year daughters knickers or asked your 7-year old son for a BJ??

[chainarong]

This is a timely reminder for this current administration to legislate that all foreign nationals and nationals applying for work visa's or to work with children require a working with children police clearance from their country of origin , this would alleviate any of this unsavoury behaviour and endanger children, as this has happen before. .

[mrtoad]

Filthy nonce good that he has been caught.

[Anthony5]

Two posters only are defending pedo's in this thread, very strange that they bothe have a username that looks so similar, Johnniey and Johnnie99.

Apart from that they both seem to be sick minds, it would be no bad idea for mods to check if they are in fact the same person.

[jonclark]

Can any of of the teachers here explain about how the criminal background check issue works -- or is supposed to work -- for teachers here in Thailand? Or even if the Thais have such a requirement?

I can understand that it's not really likely or practical to expect some government school in Nakhon Nowhere to obtain its own criminal background check on prospective teachers.

However, it's easily practical for such a school to make, and for the government to require, that as a pre-condition of hiring a new teacher that the TEACHER obtains and provides a criminal record clearance document from their home country.

What's the deal with that here???

The CBC in Thailand is basically fingerprint taking by the local police to see if they match (or might match future) crimes, check Address, passport etc. International schools (depending on the school) require a CBC -( often enhanced disclosure) from the home country, as they operate under international standards. Thailand, being Thailand doesn't. It runs on Thailand's standards.

CBC can take up to three months and in the UK a teacher will often work, whilst the CBC is being undertaken. Most NQT now have CBC - enhanced disclosure completed after graduation - which cuts down the time when any new CBC is done. CBC are a continuous process often undertaken when any teacher moves positions.

Also I am fairly sure that (and the law may have changed) the school must request the teacher CBC, not the teacher. The teacher signs a consent form and then the school administers the rest. This is so that there is absolutely no interference in the process by the 'applicant'. So to answer your question a Thai school would need to get the prospective teacher to sign a formal UK consent form and then the Thai school would have to apply to the relevant UK agencies for the CBC (basic / standard or enhanced).

Those practicalities (and the language barrier) make is very unlikely that this will ever become the norm in Thailand (international schools as the exception).

Governments charge obscene paper processing fees to release information for the public good. Eliminating this aspect, providing verified internet record access would help everyone concerned.

The big issue with internet record access - in Thailand especially - Is that an enhanced disclosure check provides very detailed information on the individual (previous addresses, telephone numbers, bank accounts, etc). If you were subject to an Enhanced background check that data could be sold / misused / passed on to a third party for the price of a bottle of Johnny Walker. Who would in effect have the information to assume your identity. Tracing individuals who have access to CBC in the UK is difficult but very do-able. In Thailand clawing that data back and amending it (if required) would be nearly impossible.

How would you ensure that a CBC given out over the internet wasn't misused and was only seen by the intended party? And not the entire admin office staff, visiting teachers, parents and students who occasionally wander in. I sure as shit wouldn't want my data sent via the internet to some of these less than reputable teaching agencies - would you?

Most admin /office staff in UK schools have had an enhanced CBC done themselves (as they work with vulnerable groups). Thai schools / teaching agencies don't. So it would be very naive to assume the staff in Thai schools / teaching agencies are honest and upright citizens. Most are in debt and making a quick buck (at a foreigners expense) with little chance of come back maybe too tempting. Data sells!

A difficult conundrum

[zaphod reborn]

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Unfortunately, I know this guy and had the displeasure of working with him many years ago. All teachers should have background checks done. Especially here in Thailand, where the opportunity for predatory behavior is enhanced.

We caught him with pictures of girls on his computer, and he had been using hi5 with a fake profile to stalk young girls. It made all of us squeamish when we would see him meeting with female students. Shortly after that, he resigned from the school to work in Udon Thani. I'm not surprised at the charges in the UK, and just hope he didn't harm anyone here in Thailand.

And you did nothing? Didn't report him? ........ nice one....... alt=coffee1.gif width=32 height=24>

As far as I know, that isn't criminal conduct. Just suspicious. I'm sure you wouldn't want to be reported for images of girls and porn videos on your harddrive.

You can't have it both ways. If you are saying it was not criminal conduct you observed then you have no right to throw fuel on the fire by telling us of a perfectly legal activity that an adult is allowed to engage in. If however as you originally say he was stalking young girls then by doing nothing you were in fact complicit in any harm he did do. We all have choices, but standing bye whilst somebody is seen as a threat to young children is not one of them. If they were not a threat but just displaying legal sexual tendencies then that is their business. By the way, how did you 'catch' him with pictures of girls on his computer?

You know nothing about employment law and legal liability for making a criminal report as an employer. Fortunately, I'm not as naive as you. Robert was seen looking at profiles and pictures of girls (not nude) on his computer while he was surfing on Hi5. One of the teachers was able to take a screenshot when his computer was unattended. Shortly after he was confronted, he resigned. End of story. If you think that's enough to go to the police, I hope you have a good lawyer or no assets.

[jonclark]

This is a timely reminder for this current administration to legislate that all foreign nationals and nationals applying for work visa's or to work with children require a working with children police clearance from their country of origin , this would alleviate any of this unsavoury behaviour and endanger children, as this has happen before. .

But lets not forget that - whilst these allegations are if true awful. Thailand needs to get it own house in order as well.

There are many instances of male teachers having forced or consensual sexual affairs with some very young students in Thailand.

[Barin]

Dirty nonce, hope the BIB give him a good shoeing and send him on his way!!

extrajudicial beatings are wrong.

pedos or anyone else. Weird thing is it is usially the pervert sexpats that point the finger, offer no compassion and shout cut his gonads off.

These poeople are sick , treat them with the same compassion you would your sick grandmother.

Mentally ill people should be isolated from society, they are dangerous...

[JOC]

Dirty nonce, hope the BIB give him a good shoeing and send him on his way!!

extrajudicial beatings are wrong.

pedos or anyone else. Weird thing is it is usially the pervert sexpats that point the finger, offer no compassion and shout cut his gonads off.

These poeople are sick , treat them with the same compassion you would your sick grandmother.

Whilst he might not deserve a shoeing, I wouldn't even dare to put a paedophile in the same memory as my grandmother.

Treatment maybe, but forgiveness? Bizarre

Forgiveness is an extension of compassion

And the next extension would be acceptance??

[joebrown]

Some time ago I worked in a school where a teacher used to hand out porn videos.

When I mentioned this to the authorities in the school I was issued with a written notice and subsequently sacked a month later

To whom was the teacher handing out the videos, other colleagues or students?

[Bluespunk]

Paedophiles, the lowest piece of excrement on the planet.

As someone who doesn't like children i dont understand why those P's love them so much, some have even sex them. Yak Yak Yak.

But lowest of the lowest of the planet? Don't think so, but those 'people' in next article come close to it IMHO.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11248683/Historic-Westminster-child-abuse-and-murder-claims-only-tip-of-the-iceberg-in-scandal-Theresa-May-warns.html

The article you posted is about pedophiles.

Edit: OK just noticed a tiny bit about immigration.

I'm assuming you are not saying immigration is a bigger problem than child abuse.

However I am confused about the point you are making.

Edited November 27, 2014 by Bluespunk

[mrtoad]

Dirty nonce, hope the BIB give him a good shoeing and send him on his way!!

extrajudicial beatings are wrong.

pedos or anyone else. Weird thing is it is usially the pervert sexpats that point the finger, offer no compassion and shout cut his gonads off.

These poeople are sick , treat them with the same compassion you would your sick grandmother.

Mentally ill people should be isolated from society, they are dangerous...

That's one of the most idiotic things I have ever read.

There are a small percentage of mentally ill people who are dangerous and should be locked up, I agree. There are a large percentage of mentally ill people who are not dangerous.

[Jungle Jim]

As i have said many times. There are foreign criminals hiding in every corner of Thailand likely also in Cambodia, Laos, and Malaysia. The Thai government needs to do a far better job at grabbing these guys the moment they land in Bangkok. My hunch is there are thousands here. Not really that hard to spot .

Thailand have long been a haven for fugitives of justice of all walks of crimes, from petty thieves

to major crimes, why? because, by default, the system here allow it to happened where you can

assume normal life and virtually disappear from the police radars.. but as they say, every dog

has his day...

[angsta]

This is indeed an agency school and they don't ask for CBR checks and they employ lots of old western men. The agency is based in Bangkok.

[JOC]

In our very interesting discussion on this thread, let us not forget the victims!!

Many of those kids get their lives spoiled and their sexuality killed!!

So sorry, from my side there is no understanding or political correctnes, when it comes to the perpetrators!!

[Thai at Heart]

Dirty nonce, hope the BIB give him a good shoeing and send him on his way!!

extrajudicial beatings are wrong.

pedos or anyone else. Weird thing is it is usially the pervert sexpats that point the finger, offer no compassion and shout cut his gonads off.

These poeople are sick , treat them with the same compassion you would your sick grandmother.

Whilst he might not deserve a shoeing, I wouldn't even dare to put a paedophile in the same memory as my grandmother.

Treatment maybe, but forgiveness? Bizarre

Forgiveness is an extension of compassion

If he's guilty he can have my forgiveness after he's paid his penalty. Till then, nope, I don't forgive him if he's found guilty of a crime as horrible as paedophilia.

If he can take his punishment, get treated and show remorse

Maybe.

Till then, if hes a paedophile I thoroughly depsise the man.