Eric Garner: No charges in NY chokehold case

[DM07]

Easy to look back at police actions and have all the solutions . Police are there to act not to wait and hold hands with suspects . Garner died from being a physical wreck and resisting . Garner is worth more dead than alive , maybe the family will get off welfare now .

Amazing!

Simply amazing!

[Publicus]

Or maybe there's too much crime in areas where there is a high minority population

Another hit and run that informs us of nothing and deals only with stereotypes and cliches.

Eric Garner did not live in a middle class black neighborhood which is a part of the problem. As the New Yorker notes, NYC has black middle class neighborhoods that are economically stable and safe, such as Rosedale, Cambria Heights, Hollis, St Albans.

The 2010 national census found that black households had a median income of $32,068, and that....

27% of black American households earn an income of between $25k and $50k

that 15.2% earn between $50k and $75K

and that 7.6% earn between $75k and $100k

Virtually half of all blacks in the US are middle class (46.5%). Middle class Black American communities exist in safety and stability throughout the United States, to include for example South Dekalb (Atlanta), Prince George’s County (DC/MD), and Baldwin Hills (Los Angeles).

Working poor black Americans are 28.8% of all black households while working poor white Americans are 23% of white households.

Readers here are well versed concerning black on black crime, however, Department of Justice data show 84% of white people killed in the US are killed by white people. Others can surround the color on color crime data with their own data but that will not change the documented facts.

The new development is that unarmed black men are being kiilled by certain police in certain communities to include black children. Just as with black Americans, the majority of which are stable and safe, the vast majority of police in the US are professional and do a great job. It's the minority of communities in the US that have race-police problems, police-race problems.

Chief Richard Beary, president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police has said of this phenomenon, "The police agency should represent the demographics of the community." That might be the starting point in all of this chaos and commotion.

[Ulysses G.]

Others can surround the color on color crime data with their own data but that will not change the documented facts.

The documented facts are that African American men are much more likely to commit and be arrested for crimes of violence than other racial groups. All the spin in the world can not change that.

[Publicus]

Let me try to be more specific, as in constructive.

The new development is that unarmed black men and teenagers are being killed by certain police in certain communities to include black children. This is not occurring (rarely) in black middle class communities which are the majority of black communities (many blacks live in integrated middle class communities).

Just as with black Americans in their middle class communities, the majority of which are stable and safe, the vast majority of police in the US are professional and do a great job. It's the minority of communities in the US that have race-police problems; police-race problems.

Chief Richard Beary, president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police has said of this phenomenon, "The police agency should represent the demographics of the community."

(I have no idea how this post will come out given the bugs in the system today.)

[Ulysses G.]

The new development is that unarmed black men and teenagers are being killed by certain police in certain communities to include black children.

You mean there have been a few incidents recently - it is not a new "development" and there is no indication that race had anything to do with the Ferguson shooting or the NYC incident. Anyone - of any race - who attacked a cop would be shot and - regretfully - police are often aggressive with suspects who resist arrest. IMO, they were way too aggressive with Eric Garner, but it is very unlikely that race had anything to do with it. The policewoman who was in charge is black.

Edited December 8, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Publicus]

The new development is that unarmed black men and teenagers are being killed by certain police in certain communities to include black children.

You mean there have been a few incidents recently - it is not a new "development" and there is no indication that race had anything to do with the Ferguson shooting or the NYC incident. Anyone - of any race - who attacked a cop would be shot and - regretfully - police are often aggressive with suspects who resist arrest. IMO, they were way too aggressive with Eric Garner, but it is very unlikely that race had anything to do with it. The policewoman who was in charge is black.

The writer says what he means not the reader, so you'd need to slow down there....and in fact recognize that you don't get to say what I myself mean to say to you.

And I said unarmed black men and black teenagers in certain communities are being killed by certain police to include black children. The police are white, the victims are black regardless of who is in charge. The incidents occur in the neighborhoods. Denial gets you nowhere, absolutely nowhere.

[ggold]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30341927

Eric Garner death: Protesters highlight other police killings

The US has seen a wave of protests over the deaths of Michael Brown and Eric Garner, two black men killed by white police officers.

IMO the police are too trigger happy! their defence is self defence or the investigation of a crime. Surely unless a suspect has opened fire on the police then they should be using less lethal means to arrest suspects.

I would also say that this surely is a failure of a black President to cleaning up the methods used by American police in the duty of their execution?

[Ulysses G.]

The new development is that unarmed black men and teenagers are being killed by certain police in certain communities to include black children.

You mean there have been a few incidents recently - it is not a new "development" and there is no indication that race had anything to do with the Ferguson shooting or the NYC incident. Anyone - of any race - who attacked a cop would be shot and - regretfully - police are often aggressive with suspects who resist arrest. IMO, they were way too aggressive with Eric Garner, but it is very unlikely that race had anything to do with it. The policewoman who was in charge is black.

The writer says what he means not the reader

I am correcting you, not telling you what you mean. Surely you can figure that out.

[Publicus]

The new development is that unarmed black men and teenagers are being killed by certain police in certain communities to include black children.

You mean there have been a few incidents recently - it is not a new "development" and there is no indication that race had anything to do with the Ferguson shooting or the NYC incident. Anyone - of any race - who attacked a cop would be shot and - regretfully - police are often aggressive with suspects who resist arrest. IMO, they were way too aggressive with Eric Garner, but it is very unlikely that race had anything to do with it. The policewoman who was in charge is black.

The writer says what he means not the reader

I am correcting you, not telling you what you mean. Surely you can figure that out.

Yes and that is precisely and exactly why I throw it back if not up.

You are wrong. The killings by white police of unarmed black citizens occur in black communities of low socio-economic status. This is followed here by whites denouncing blacks as thugs, gangstas, criminals, whilst dancing on the graves of the slain black Americans saying no great loss and the like.

While many on your side deny it is about race, your side's posts absurdly make it clear that this has everything to do with race. The contradiction makes your side look completely silly and not credible in these tragic and otherwise preventable matters.

The challenges presented by the antagonism between the relatively small number of certain police and/or particular police departments, and the low socio-economic black communities can't possibly be addressed until people get off the dime of their conflicting claims and their persistent denials of reality.

Edited December 8, 2014 by Publicus

[chuckd]

Can somebody help me here?

I have been trying to find out how many of Eric Garner's 31 previous arrests involved violent acts on his part.

Anybody?

[Publicus]

I hear dancing music.

Meanwhile, a whole lot of other people are trying to preclude that happening again to yet another generation of isolated low socio-economic black males.

[Ulysses G.]

Meanwhile, a whole lot of other people are trying to preclude that happening again to yet another generation of isolated low socio-economic black males.

That will happen when they stop committing violent crimes WAY out of proportion to their numbers. Actions have consequences.

[Jay Sata]

Red neck USA.

Nothing has changed much in 150 years.

The good old gun and sheriff will always say he beat the bad guys for the sake of the Christian townsfolk .

Dead men tell no tales.

[Jay Sata]

Meanwhile, a whole lot of other people are trying to preclude that happening again to yet another generation of isolated low socio-economic black males.

That will happen when they stop committing violent crimes WAY out of proportion to their numbers. Actions have consequences.

Nice to see you are fair and balanced.

Have you got a confederate flag in your pick up?

[Ulysses G.]

You seem to be offended by facts - and not just on this thread. The offending rate for blacks committing homicides is EIGHT times higher than whites and I had nothing to do with that. It will never be corrected by sticking our heads in the sand and pretending it is not true to be politically correct. There is nothing "racist" about that.

Edited December 9, 2014 by Ulysses G.