American 'planned attacks on Muslim sites in Israel'

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American 'planned attacks on Muslim sites in Israel'

(BBC) An American being held in Israel on weapons charges has told investigators he was considering attacking Muslim holy sites, Israeli police say.

Adam Everet Livvix, a Christian wanted in the US on drugs charges, was arrested last month after an undercover agent discovered the alleged plot.

Weapons and ammunition stolen from the Israeli army were found at his home.

Mr Livvix's lawyer said the Israeli authorities were exaggerating the security implications of the case.

His arrest comes with tensions between Israelis and Palestinians running high because of a dispute over access to a major holy site in Jerusalem known to Jews as the Temple Mount and Muslims as al-Haram al-Sharif.

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30404688


-- BBC 2014-12-10

[Ulysses G.]

Another nut case. Shouldn't he be back home blowing up abortion clinics?

[ezzra]

That's funny... as if Israel hasn't got it's fair share of lunatics and crazy people already

now come an import nutter...

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[up-country_sinclair]

Many Israeli/Jewish-Americans (and fundamentalist Christians waiting for the apocalypse) are far more radical than Israelis themselves. They truly are a menace that needs to be dealt with.

Edited December 10, 2014 by up-country_sinclair

[canman]

Many Israeli/Jewish-Americans (and fundamentalist Christians waiting for the apocalypse) are far more radical than Israelis themselves. They truly are a menace that needs to be dealt with.

Yes the true menace, all those fundamentalist Christian and Jews burying children and women alive, stoning wommen, chopping off peoples heads, setting off car bombs all over the place, bringing death and misery where ever they decide to impose their fundamentalist doctrine, threatening to impose their will on all of humanity etc. etc. etc.

Yes you have hit the nail on the head they are the true threat to civilisation. I don't understnad why more people don't see it...............

[Cats4ever]

Both sides have their quota of nut cases. It is amazing how little trouble is caused by godless, infidel atheists.

[TheClimaxWarrior]

Many Israeli/Jewish-Americans (and fundamentalist Christians waiting for the apocalypse) are far more radical than Israelis themselves. They truly are a menace that needs to be dealt with.

I can't believe this comment. Thee most ridiculous post I have read in a very long time. Ignorance seems to be contagious in your blood line.

[Norvid]

This is what propaganda does. Portraying Palestinians as terrorists (Hitler's SD and SS, and Goebbels's Propaganda Ministry did this same) and not as the freedom fighters for their own land, own houses, own people killed, jailed, deprived of freedom, taken by force by Israelis. Who is the terrorist? It looks like brainwashing works on some "brain dead" people.

[TheClimaxWarrior]

This is what propaganda does. Portraying Palestinians as terrorists (Hitler's SD and SS, and Goebbels's Propaganda Ministry did this same) and not as the freedom fighters for their own land, own houses, own people killed, jailed, deprived of freedom, taken by force by Israelis. Who is the terrorist? It looks like brainwashing works on some "brain dead" people.

The land doesn't belong to the Palestinians. Get your facts right.

[cup-O-coffee]

If he is a nutter, then what does it say about the other issues that run much deeper?

Livix (The Times of Israel), or Liwix (AP) was on the run from the US Feds for marijuana possession in Indiana, along with other charges.

He fled to Israel, and Israel let him in. Israel... arguably one of the best countries int he world on matters of intelligence and Internet data on almost any person who has ever registered anywhere. I'll get back to this later.

So this alleged nutter, who fled from the USA on marijuana charges, goes to Israel and hangs out there since 2013, and has a lot of Jewish friends; one of whom is also a US citizen, but also - get this - a member of the vaunted IDF. Additionally, there are two other members mentioned in online articles, who are also members of the IDF, and these three IDF soldiers are stealing weapons and selling them to this nutter.

There is so much more to this interesting story, such as the "Palestinian" mentioned in the OP link as being a "Palestinian operative" in a lot of other links. This Palestinian is only mentioned by the "nutter" and so we can't really believe him can we. We can't really believe that this nutter also hung out with Palestinian operatives and refused an offer to assassinate the President of the USA, since the US Navy denies any record of him ever being in the Navy. let alone being a Navy Seal Commando.

Here is what bugs me about this story...

A "Christian" flees the US for dubious reasons and goes to Israel, where he kicks around for a year or so, and hangs out with Palestinian operatives. This nutter rooms with an Israeli IDF solder, who also is a US citizen, and this nutter makes friends with two more Israeli Defense Forces soldiers. They all sit around for the duration and listen to the nutter tell stories about how he wants to blow up Muslim holy sites and (as implied by the stories) murder innocent people.

But the problem is, this nutter does not have the tools to blow up these Muslim holy sites and (as implied by the stories) murder innocent people, so his Israeli Defense Forces "homies" come to the rescue and steal (at least that is the word given... not got from other friends, etc.) guns, explosives, stun grenades, and the lot for this nutter and bring it to him so he can follow through.

And don't forget, the online news sources tell us that one of these Israel Defense Force soldiers is also a US citizen. I didn't know that US citizens can do this. "American Jews serving in the Israeli army are in clear violation of the US’s Neutrality Act, which makes it illegal for American citizens to be engaged in acts of war against nations which are at peace with the United States, a legal expert in Washington DC has pointed out."

This Israeli Jew is protected, and only known as A.A., who is also a US citizen. He "stole" plastic explosives from an IDF base in 2013. Early this year, he met and befriended Livix in Netanya. Now if my English Grammar is correct, the sentence posted in the Times of Israel suggests that the Jewish Israeli IDF soldier met and befriended, meaning Livix was approached by the IDF soldier, and the IDF soldier "made friends" with Livix (the nutter). I wonder what compelled an Israeli IDF soldier to approach a nutter (and you can;t convince me for one moment that the Israelis were on to this man the moment he set foot in Israel, or even before he landed)?

Moreover, with all the slip ups and incongruities on this story, you can't convince me that this "nutter" wasn't groomed by the Israelis in the USA before even coming to Israel, simply because he is a "nutter". How does a "nutter" who is on a felony bench warrant, "escape" to Israel? His passport would light up every computer at the airport like they were pinball machines when he landed at the airport in Israel.

This is all so much BS, that it boggles the mind.

And what about the IDF soldiers!!! So the US let's US citizens, who are Jews, go and support terrorism by joining the IDF and attacking, killing, murdering people from another country, Palestine, that is at peace with the USA, and it is OK. Let me state that again:

The USA is at peace with Palestine, but it is OK for US citizens to join the IDF and carry out acts of war against Palestinians, who are not at war with US citizens or US military personnel. How sick is that?

Even though 18 U.S.C. 960 is a law, US citizens, who are Israeli citizens somehow manages to slither their way around this one (let me guess) and make it OK for American Jews to hold dual nationality and serve in a military force that is committing acts of apartheid against a country that is at peace with the USA. Sound like treason or even like some "US citizens" don't give a damn about being a US citizen and are more concerned with their alternate citizenship.

And it reeks of a major (MAJOR) fit up of a US citizen by the Israeli Defense Forces, and the Jews in Israel and the US (never to be mentioned) watching this happen, that suggests that this "nutter" was lured to Israel to in fact commit these acts, and his way was paved with roses by his buddies in the IDF (whose identities are being withheld and who are not being accused of any crimes) and in all likelihood a lot of other Israeli Jews.

All this, so that this nutter could indeed blow up a major holy site and cause an all out war, as well as dragging the USA into the thick of it and pinning ALL the blame on the USA because it was... oooooo... a Christian militant from Texas who did it all on his own, and he managed to slip under Israeli radar and trick them into not knowing this because he is a Navy SEAL Commando!

It sounds to me like a false flag scheme went very very wrong and there is going to have to be a lot of explaining to do by....

Nah! I didn't think so.

Back to the NFL... nothing to read here. Life is just peachy.

[cup-O-coffee]

This is what propaganda does. Portraying Palestinians as terrorists (Hitler's SD and SS, and Goebbels's Propaganda Ministry did this same) and not as the freedom fighters for their own land, own houses, own people killed, jailed, deprived of freedom, taken by force by Israelis. Who is the terrorist? It looks like brainwashing works on some "brain dead" people.

The land doesn't belong to the Palestinians. Get your facts right.

Any land is simply a chunk of dirt. No one owns it. People occupy it throughout time, but one thing for sure, that chunk of dirt will still be there. The real drama begins when life forms evolve to the point that they actually think they own something that will be there long after they are gone (and their invisible friends too), and some day in the future, a pack of animals will come across it and soil on it, and then move on because there is no food on it.

To say, "The land doesn't belong to the Palestinians" is as ignorant as saying, "I own the stars".

[Cats4ever]

Both sides have their quota of nut cases. It is amazing how little trouble is caused by godless, infidel atheists.

Oh okay so Nelson Mandela, Pon Pot, Kim Jong Il, Than Shwe, Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin were the minds behind buidling Disneyland? Yer have a very solid argument. Pathetic.

I see where you are coming from, although Nelson Mandela does not belong in this list. Not sure who Pon Pot is. TAn Shwe was probably a strong Buddhist, or he would have pretended to be one. Kim Jong Il, Stalin and Pol Pot are absolute shockers, although I always regarded communism as a religious substitute (fanatical belief, rigid rules, lack of dissent etc).

[JenniferSG]

Considering the mountains of money the U.S. gives Israel every year, why was Israel allowing someone wanted in the U.S. on drug charges to live in their country at all?

[Ulysses G.]

Wanted for marijuana possession - who cares? It will be legal everywhere soon.

[Ulysses G.]

To say, "The land doesn't belong to the Palestinians" is as ignorant as saying, "I own the stars".

To contend that there is no such thing as land ownership is Utopian nonsense.

Edited December 10, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[cup-O-coffee]

Considering the mountains of money the U.S. gives Israel every year, why was Israel allowing someone wanted in the U.S. on drug charges to live in their country at all?

Agreed. And given the closeness between the USA and its closest ally, and their almost indistinguishable sharing of classified information, and the many Israelis who hold high positions in government in the USA (and who also hold dual citizenship)... it almost seems impossible that something this glaringly clear could so easily slip through the cracks.

"I declare that the particulars contained in this application are correct and have been made in awareness of the fact that they are to serve as basis for the consideration of my application. I also declare that I have not committed any criminal offence or any act directed against the Jewish people or the security of the state of Israel and that I am not affected with any illness which might endanger public health. There is no judicial warrant against me and I am not wanted by the police of any country."

Moreover, a tourist visa to Israel is only good for three (3) months. What kind of visa did this "nutter" get, a tourist visa? How did he extend his stay? How could he say the things he is reported to have confessed saying to IDF soldiers and still be there? How is it that Israeli IDF soldiers can waltz in one of their military bases and obtain so much ordinance and firepower without it being tracked... especially if these three are reportedly acting on their own?

Either Israel is really that unsecure in their security measures (not likely) or someone was paving the way for this. Either Netanyahu has been aware of this all along, or he had better get a grip on his subordinates and get some answers. Either the US president has been aware of this, or he had better get sme answers as well.

Making out like a delusional American "nutter" with a felony bench warrant suddenly decides to fly off to Israel to blow up Muslim holy sites, gets there and hangs out with Palestinian operatives, and then he is approached by IDF soldiers and befriended by them, and one of them moves in with him and supplies him with terrorist weaponry, and all this over the duration of over a year (on what kind of visa?), and then he mysteriously gets caught out without being gunned down whilst fleeing when they bust down his apartment door.... well...

If this isn't the biggest load of BS then I don't know what is. Even the headline to the article is BS; to suggest that an American planned these attacks alone, and to completely ignore his allies in the IDF; without whom his alleged dreams of blowing up Muslim holy sites and murdering innocents would only be a conspiracy theory.

Yeah. And Oswald acted alone as well.

I am really glad this did not get to the point of a bomb going off. It very well could have triggered WW3; especially if it had been the Dome of the Mosque. He's a "nutter" remember? It would be nice to blame it solely on a US citizen from Texas, who is a militant Christian and a "nutter" to boot, so that that temple could finally get under construction.

[cup-O-coffee]

To say, "The land doesn't belong to the Palestinians" is as ignorant as saying, "I own the stars".

To contend that there is no such thing as land ownership is Utopian nonsense.

No. It is not. It is the origin and basis of an idea that, of its own, lacks substance. Saying you own something outside of yourself, and which is tangible substance is meaningless if I have the power to take it from you and end you, censor you, or banish you somewhere where you do not matter anymore.

Your view implies civility, yet you condone what I am implying, animal behavior. The two cannot mix, or else we enter into bloodshed; ...bloodshed which eventually brings us right back to my point, and we begin again.

People don't own land, they inhabit it until someone else inhabits it. The details, which are relative, do seem to make some people sleep all warm and fuzzy at night, whilst others fester, plot and scheme at night.

It's in the details, UG. Humanity can indeed be disgusting in its endeavor to manipulate details merely and simply to justify inhabiting a chunk of dirt, so that others will approve of it, or be too full of fear to say anything otherwise, or simply not care because they are inhabiting their own chunk of dirt and that is just fine.

[ggold]

If he is a nutter, then what does it say about the other issues that run much deeper?

Livix (The Times of Israel), or Liwix (AP) was on the run from the US Feds for marijuana possession in Indiana, along with other charges.

He fled to Israel, and Israel let him in. Israel... arguably one of the best countries int he world on matters of intelligence and Internet data on almost any person who has ever registered anywhere. I'll get back to this later.

So this alleged nutter, who fled from the USA on marijuana charges, goes to Israel and hangs out there since 2013, and has a lot of Jewish friends; one of whom is also a US citizen, but also - get this - a member of the vaunted IDF. Additionally, there are two other members mentioned in online articles, who are also members of the IDF, and these three IDF soldiers are stealing weapons and selling them to this nutter.

There is so much more to this interesting story, such as the "Palestinian" mentioned in the OP link as being a "Palestinian operative" in a lot of other links. This Palestinian is only mentioned by the "nutter" and so we can't really believe him can we. We can't really believe that this nutter also hung out with Palestinian operatives and refused an offer to assassinate the President of the USA, since the US Navy denies any record of him ever being in the Navy. let alone being a Navy Seal Commando.

Here is what bugs me about this story...

A "Christian" flees the US for dubious reasons and goes to Israel, where he kicks around for a year or so, and hangs out with Palestinian operatives. This nutter rooms with an Israeli IDF solder, who also is a US citizen, and this nutter makes friends with two more Israeli Defense Forces soldiers. They all sit around for the duration and listen to the nutter tell stories about how he wants to blow up Muslim holy sites and (as implied by the stories) murder innocent people.

But the problem is, this nutter does not have the tools to blow up these Muslim holy sites and (as implied by the stories) murder innocent people, so his Israeli Defense Forces "homies" come to the rescue and steal (at least that is the word given... not got from other friends, etc.) guns, explosives, stun grenades, and the lot for this nutter and bring it to him so he can follow through.

And don't forget, the online news sources tell us that one of these Israel Defense Force soldiers is also a US citizen. I didn't know that US citizens can do this. "American Jews serving in the Israeli army are in clear violation of the US’s Neutrality Act, which makes it illegal for American citizens to be engaged in acts of war against nations which are at peace with the United States, a legal expert in Washington DC has pointed out."

This Israeli Jew is protected, and only known as A.A., who is also a US citizen. He "stole" plastic explosives from an IDF base in 2013. Early this year, he met and befriended Livix in Netanya. Now if my English Grammar is correct, the sentence posted in the Times of Israel suggests that the Jewish Israeli IDF soldier met and befriended, meaning Livix was approached by the IDF soldier, and the IDF soldier "made friends" with Livix (the nutter). I wonder what compelled an Israeli IDF soldier to approach a nutter (and you can;t convince me for one moment that the Israelis were on to this man the moment he set foot in Israel, or even before he landed)?

Moreover, with all the slip ups and incongruities on this story, you can't convince me that this "nutter" wasn't groomed by the Israelis in the USA before even coming to Israel, simply because he is a "nutter". How does a "nutter" who is on a felony bench warrant, "escape" to Israel? His passport would light up every computer at the airport like they were pinball machines when he landed at the airport in Israel.

This is all so much BS, that it boggles the mind.

And what about the IDF soldiers!!! So the US let's US citizens, who are Jews, go and support terrorism by joining the IDF and attacking, killing, murdering people from another country, Palestine, that is at peace with the USA, and it is OK. Let me state that again:

The USA is at peace with Palestine, but it is OK for US citizens to join the IDF and carry out acts of war against Palestinians, who are not at war with US citizens or US military personnel. How sick is that?

Even though 18 U.S.C. 960 is a law, US citizens, who are Israeli citizens somehow manages to slither their way around this one (let me guess) and make it OK for American Jews to hold dual nationality and serve in a military force that is committing acts of apartheid against a country that is at peace with the USA. Sound like treason or even like some "US citizens" don't give a damn about being a US citizen and are more concerned with their alternate citizenship.

And it reeks of a major (MAJOR) fit up of a US citizen by the Israeli Defense Forces, and the Jews in Israel and the US (never to be mentioned) watching this happen, that suggests that this "nutter" was lured to Israel to in fact commit these acts, and his way was paved with roses by his buddies in the IDF (whose identities are being withheld and who are not being accused of any crimes) and in all likelihood a lot of other Israeli Jews.

All this, so that this nutter could indeed blow up a major holy site and cause an all out war, as well as dragging the USA into the thick of it and pinning ALL the blame on the USA because it was... oooooo... a Christian militant from Texas who did it all on his own, and he managed to slip under Israeli radar and trick them into not knowing this because he is a Navy SEAL Commando!

It sounds to me like a false flag scheme went very very wrong and there is going to have to be a lot of explaining to do by....

Nah! I didn't think so.

Back to the NFL... nothing to read here. Life is just peachy.

with the racist overtones "Israeli Jew" we are supposed to take this seriously? What a load of Bull Sh*t you are spreading.

[Ulysses G.]

If he is a nutter, then what does it say about the other issues that run much deeper?

He does not seem to be the only nutter out there. Your links do not support the grand conspiracy theory that you have come up with here without a lick of evidence. Do you have anything better to do than make up silly stories in order to bash Israel on a daily basis?

Edited December 10, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[ggold]

Considering the mountains of money the U.S. gives Israel every year, why was Israel allowing someone wanted in the U.S. on drug charges to live in their country at all?

He was hardly the drug dealer of the century. If the US didn't flag this guy for arrest why would the Israeli's know he was wanted on drug charges? Did the US issue an international arrest warrant?

[cup-O-coffee]

If he is a nutter, then what does it say about the other issues that run much deeper?

He does not seem to be the only nutter out there. Your links do not support the grand conspiracy theory that you have come up with here with not a lick of evidence. Do you have anything better to do than make up silly stories in order to bash Israel on a daily basis?

There you go again with you vague and ambiguous implications, which altogether lack substance.

A theory is substantive if that theory has information to to make it stand on its own legs. To call a theory a conspiracy is not really saying anything, UG. If it is meant to make out like it is stupid, then that, too, lacks substance, and perhaps there is a more blunt term... but for you to avoid embarrassment, perhaps you are reading from your script and thinking I will think that the term "conspiracy theory is a bad thing to think? It is not.

A conspiracy theory is nothing more than an idea, which either has substance or not, and this idea implies a conspiracy to hide the truth. I think I have some pretty good substance to suggest that your view, and that which you choose to believe in, is more of an idea derived from ignorance or intended deceit, than that which I am presenting; a theory which implies a conspiracy to hide the truth.

How else could you say this, UG, unless you simply are set on making me appear ridiculous?

[Ulysses G.]

Your own posts do that very effectively and anyone can search your content to see how irrational they are and the obsession with bashing Israel and Jews.

Edited December 10, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Ulysses G.]

Considering the mountains of money the U.S. gives Israel every year, why was Israel allowing someone wanted in the U.S. on drug charges to live in their country at all?

He was hardly the drug dealer of the century. If the US didn't flag this guy for arrest why would the Israeli's know he was wanted on drug charges? Did the US issue an international arrest warrant?

He was "wanted" for marijuana possession - a real big player.

[ggold]

To say, "The land doesn't belong to the Palestinians" is as ignorant as saying, "I own the stars".

To contend that there is no such thing as land ownership is Utopian nonsense.

No. It is not. It is the origin and basis of an idea that, of its own, lacks substance. Saying you own something outside of yourself, and which is tangible substance is meaningless if I have the power to take it from you and end you, censor you, or banish you somewhere where you do not matter anymore.

Your view implies civility, yet you condone what I am implying, animal behavior. The two cannot mix, or else we enter into bloodshed; ...bloodshed which eventually brings us right back to my point, and we begin again.

People don't own land, they inhabit it until someone else inhabits it. The details, which are relative, do seem to make some people sleep all warm and fuzzy at night, whilst others fester, plot and scheme at night.

It's in the details, UG. Humanity can indeed be disgusting in its endeavor to manipulate details merely and simply to justify inhabiting a chunk of dirt, so that others will approve of it, or be too full of fear to say anything otherwise, or simply not care because they are inhabiting their own chunk of dirt and that is just fine.

"No. It is not. It is the origin and basis of an idea that, of its own, lacks substance. Saying you own something outside of yourself, and which is tangible substance is meaningless if I have the power to take it from you and end you, censor you, or banish you somewhere where you do not matter anymore."

The problem is the arabs don't have the power to take the land and they cannot accept this. They want to banish Jews to somewhere that doesn't matter to them any more.

Your view implies civility, yet you condone what I am implying, animal behavior. The two cannot mix, or else we enter into bloodshed; ...bloodshed which eventually brings us right back to my point, and we begin again.

The animal behaviour displayed by the arabs in Gaza using their own people as human shields proves your point. they do not accept the two cannot mix whence they repeat this animal behaviour every couple of years.

People don't own land, they inhabit it until someone else inhabits it. The details, which are relative, do seem to make some people sleep all warm and fuzzy at night, whilst others fester, plot and scheme at night.

This idea is not relative to the arabs they can't accept they don't own the land.

It's in the details, UG. Humanity can indeed be disgusting in its endeavor to manipulate details merely and simply to justify inhabiting a chunk of dirt, so that others will approve of it, or be too full of fear to say anything otherwise, or simply not care because they are inhabiting their own chunk of dirt and that is just fine.

I am glad you see what the arabs are trying to do with their lies and manipulation of the facts.

[ggold]

Considering the mountains of money the U.S. gives Israel every year, why was Israel allowing someone wanted in the U.S. on drug charges to live in their country at all?

He was hardly the drug dealer of the century. If the US didn't flag this guy for arrest why would the Israeli's know he was wanted on drug charges? Did the US issue an international arrest warrant?

He was "wanted" for marijuana possession - a real big player.

well there you go! According to cup-of-coffee this guy must be a master criminal, being able to fool both US and Israeli immigration. After all the alarm bells didn't go off at passport control leaving the US or entering Israel.

maybe cup-of-coffee is on something other than coffee!

[ggold]

If he is a nutter, then what does it say about the other issues that run much deeper?

He does not seem to be the only nutter out there. Your links do not support the grand conspiracy theory that you have come up with here with not a lick of evidence. Do you have anything better to do than make up silly stories in order to bash Israel on a daily basis?

There you go again with you vague and ambiguous implications, which altogether lack substance.

A theory is substantive if that theory has information to to make it stand on its own legs. To call a theory a conspiracy is not really saying anything, UG. If it is meant to make out like it is stupid, then that, too, lacks substance, and perhaps there is a more blunt term... but for you to avoid embarrassment, perhaps you are reading from your script and thinking I will think that the term "conspiracy theory is a bad thing to think? It is not.

A conspiracy theory is nothing more than an idea, which either has substance or not, and this idea implies a conspiracy to hide the truth. I think I have some pretty good substance to suggest that your view, and that which you choose to believe in, is more of an idea derived from ignorance or intended deceit, than that which I am presenting; a theory which implies a conspiracy to hide the truth.

How else could you say this, UG, unless you simply are set on making me appear ridiculous?

you should be careful of the words you choose! in your ridiculous post you suggest there was a reason why this guy wasn't stopped at entry to Israel. the implication being that the US cannot control their own boarder. Also implying that he was known to be wanted but was let through. Seriously floored idea. Are the US in the habit of issuing international arrest warrants for someone who is not a major drug dealer? What should the Israeli's have known about this guy if the US didn't signal anything? Is Israel responsible for American security?

That single point shoots down your attempt at colouring this as something it is not. to use you're words, it "is more of an idea derived from ignorance or intended deceit"

"which altogether lack substance"

you're theory has no legs

Edited December 10, 2014 by ggold

[arjunadawn]

Many Israeli/Jewish-Americans (and fundamentalist Christians waiting for the apocalypse) are far more radical than Israelis themselves. They truly are a menace that needs to be dealt with.

I agree, but not on how to deal with these clowns. It would be a great oversight to be watching muslims, jews, and overlook these dispensational christians who believe the age of rapture will not begin until x y z= usually the rebuilding of the temple.

These christians actually differ little from radical jews who believe the second temple must be rebuilt... again, or a third. More frighteningly, they also resemble many Twelver Shia, and end of times Sunni. The thing is, pretty much everyone has their eyes on the Jews and Muslims, and few are watching these 1/2 baked clowns. A perfect example of force multiplying an idiot- this clown has zero smarts and utility. But throw a christian with some really bad ideas into a temple mount standoff and it explodes! They should throw this MF is prison.

[arjunadawn]

Many Israeli/Jewish-Americans (and fundamentalist Christians waiting for the apocalypse) are far more radical than Israelis themselves. They truly are a menace that needs to be dealt with.

I agree, but not on how to deal with these clowns. It would be a great oversight to be watching muslims, jews, and overlook these dispensational christians who believe the age of rapture will not begin until x y z= usually the rebuilding of the temple.

These christians actually differ little from radical jews who believe the second temple must be rebuilt... again, or a third. More frighteningly, they also resemble many Twelver Shia, and end of times Sunni. The thing is, pretty much everyone has their eyes on the Jews and Muslims, and few are watching these 1/2 baked clowns. A perfect example of force multiplying an idiot- this clown has zero smarts and utility. But throw a christian with some really bad ideas into a temple mount standoff and it explodes! They should throw this MF is prison.

[cup-O-coffee]

If he is a nutter, then what does it say about the other issues that run much deeper?

Livix (The Times of Israel), or Liwix (AP) was on the run from the US Feds for marijuana possession in Indiana, along with other charges.

He fled to Israel, and Israel let him in. Israel... arguably one of the best countries int he world on matters of intelligence and Internet data on almost any person who has ever registered anywhere. I'll get back to this later.

So this alleged nutter, who fled from the USA on marijuana charges, goes to Israel and hangs out there since 2013, and has a lot of Jewish friends; one of whom is also a US citizen, but also - get this - a member of the vaunted IDF. Additionally, there are two other members mentioned in online articles, who are also members of the IDF, and these three IDF soldiers are stealing weapons and selling them to this nutter.

There is so much more to this interesting story, such as the "Palestinian" mentioned in the OP link as being a "Palestinian operative" in a lot of other links. This Palestinian is only mentioned by the "nutter" and so we can't really believe him can we. We can't really believe that this nutter also hung out with Palestinian operatives and refused an offer to assassinate the President of the USA, since the US Navy denies any record of him ever being in the Navy. let alone being a Navy Seal Commando.

Here is what bugs me about this story...

A "Christian" flees the US for dubious reasons and goes to Israel, where he kicks around for a year or so, and hangs out with Palestinian operatives. This nutter rooms with an Israeli IDF solder, who also is a US citizen, and this nutter makes friends with two more Israeli Defense Forces soldiers. They all sit around for the duration and listen to the nutter tell stories about how he wants to blow up Muslim holy sites and (as implied by the stories) murder innocent people.

But the problem is, this nutter does not have the tools to blow up these Muslim holy sites and (as implied by the stories) murder innocent people, so his Israeli Defense Forces "homies" come to the rescue and steal (at least that is the word given... not got from other friends, etc.) guns, explosives, stun grenades, and the lot for this nutter and bring it to him so he can follow through.

And don't forget, the online news sources tell us that one of these Israel Defense Force soldiers is also a US citizen. I didn't know that US citizens can do this. "American Jews serving in the Israeli army are in clear violation of the US’s Neutrality Act, which makes it illegal for American citizens to be engaged in acts of war against nations which are at peace with the United States, a legal expert in Washington DC has pointed out."

This Israeli Jew is protected, and only known as A.A., who is also a US citizen. He "stole" plastic explosives from an IDF base in 2013. Early this year, he met and befriended Livix in Netanya. Now if my English Grammar is correct, the sentence posted in the Times of Israel suggests that the Jewish Israeli IDF soldier met and befriended, meaning Livix was approached by the IDF soldier, and the IDF soldier "made friends" with Livix (the nutter). I wonder what compelled an Israeli IDF soldier to approach a nutter (and you can;t convince me for one moment that the Israelis were on to this man the moment he set foot in Israel, or even before he landed)?

Moreover, with all the slip ups and incongruities on this story, you can't convince me that this "nutter" wasn't groomed by the Israelis in the USA before even coming to Israel, simply because he is a "nutter". How does a "nutter" who is on a felony bench warrant, "escape" to Israel? His passport would light up every computer at the airport like they were pinball machines when he landed at the airport in Israel.

This is all so much BS, that it boggles the mind.

And what about the IDF soldiers!!! So the US let's US citizens, who are Jews, go and support terrorism by joining the IDF and attacking, killing, murdering people from another country, Palestine, that is at peace with the USA, and it is OK. Let me state that again:

The USA is at peace with Palestine, but it is OK for US citizens to join the IDF and carry out acts of war against Palestinians, who are not at war with US citizens or US military personnel. How sick is that?

Even though 18 U.S.C. 960 is a law, US citizens, who are Israeli citizens somehow manages to slither their way around this one (let me guess) and make it OK for American Jews to hold dual nationality and serve in a military force that is committing acts of apartheid against a country that is at peace with the USA. Sound like treason or even like some "US citizens" don't give a damn about being a US citizen and are more concerned with their alternate citizenship.

And it reeks of a major (MAJOR) fit up of a US citizen by the Israeli Defense Forces, and the Jews in Israel and the US (never to be mentioned) watching this happen, that suggests that this "nutter" was lured to Israel to in fact commit these acts, and his way was paved with roses by his buddies in the IDF (whose identities are being withheld and who are not being accused of any crimes) and in all likelihood a lot of other Israeli Jews.

All this, so that this nutter could indeed blow up a major holy site and cause an all out war, as well as dragging the USA into the thick of it and pinning ALL the blame on the USA because it was... oooooo... a Christian militant from Texas who did it all on his own, and he managed to slip under Israeli radar and trick them into not knowing this because he is a Navy SEAL Commando!

It sounds to me like a false flag scheme went very very wrong and there is going to have to be a lot of explaining to do by....

Nah! I didn't think so.

Back to the NFL... nothing to read here. Life is just peachy.

with the racist overtones "Israeli Jew" we are supposed to take this seriously? What a load of Bull Sh*t you are spreading.

And this is another example of the script by numbers: ad hominem and digress to the point that discussion is way out in left field. I have got to hand it to you boys. You really stick to that script of yours. What is this reply, page 6024?

The Israeli Defense Forces soldier, who (in all likelihood is a Jew), and is a US citizen holding a dual Israeli passport, befriended the loon and procured death dealing weapons from an Israeli military supply stock and brought it to this loon... with the full knowledge that this loon intended to blow up buildings and (in all likelihood murder innocent people)...

...and all you can come up with is this utterly foolish comeback?

Priceless!

As far as I am concerned, those soldiers (and I give a damn where they come from or who they are) deserve the death sentence for what they did, and considering the power they had over this loon.

Conspiring to blow up buildings and understanding that in all likelihood there would be innocent people there...

Now I am not going to post links, ggold and UG and the rest of you boys in this choir, but looking up how many terrorist plots were foiled by the USA and Israel the last ten years, and reading their descriptions and mode of operation, and reading how the planners and their accomplices (THEIR ACCOMPLICES) were convicted, well... I would say that this fits the bill.

It has nothing to do with being accused of being racist.

If the shoe fits.