Chinese tourists, behave yourselves

[TheSiemReaper]

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China is one weird country with a billion people who have been brainwashed all of their lives.You would think communist (Socialist) countries would preach for an ordered considerate society. However due to the Chairman's purges it became dangerous to talk openly and keep company with anyone except immediate family so their social skills are non existent. China is also pretty much a lawless state, you only feel the power of the Government if you attempt to undermine or disrupt them.Offences against other citizens is pretty much unpunished. So their behavior in this case, although not excusable is an extension of the pushing in queues, driving with no thought of other road users, spitting and shitting in public, smoking in elevators and generally being obnoxious and rude. As my Mum used to say "Its the way they have been brought up"

Not a pop at Chinese as a Race , 60 years of communism has not done the People of PRC a lot of favours

From what I have read, pre revoulution was much worse.

Depends if you class 70 million dead in a few years as worse than what they had before. Its a massive ungovernable country

It's commonly understood in China that roughly that number of people (or more) would have died under the previous leadership too if the communists hadn't taken over. That's why there's very little genuine dislike of Mao in the country; they know what happened in his name and have chosen to accept that it was necessary because the alternatives were worse.

[TheSiemReaper]

Thank you, I always enjoy being patronized by a racist ignoramus for breakfast. It's good to see the world through your own prejudiced lenses just so I can be thankful that no matter how much of a git I am today; I will still fall short of your own dramatic standards.

You may "hear stories all the time" but whilst there's no doubt that the Chinese are a bit rude by a Western yardstick; they are not particularly given to violent outbursts on planes any certainly not more so than any other nationality. You may be laying in wait to blame everything on Chinese people; the more rational of us tend to ask sensible questions like; "Which total plonker judges 1.3 billion people by the behaviour of 4 members of that group?" Sadly, I actually got an answer to that question. My condolences to you - life must be a wonderful place when you can see in ignorant black and white based on the occasional newspaper article.

So all posters living/working in China are lying??

The Chinese government supply their outbound tourists with a booklet "How to behave", because even the Chinese authorities acknowledge the problem!!

This is not racism, but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade, even if it doesn't fit into your lovely political correct la-la world!!

This poster lived in China for 3 years until he moved to Cambodia. I have a pretty good idea how China works; I ran a business there. This isn't about political correctness. This is about stupidity. You cannot say that "all English women are whores" because an English girl went down on a load of blokes in a Magaluf nightclub for a shot of alcohol; any more than you can say "all Chinese are evil" because 4 of them acted like idiots on a plane.

There simply is no correlation, nor pattern that would make these events statistically significant enough to tar all Chinese people with the same brush.

Oh, I also married a Chinese person. She'd never, ever behave like that.

Here we have a perfect example of a Straw Man Argument http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

You set up the Straw Man = any more than you can say "all Chinese are evil" (Nobody but you said this)

Then you knock the Straw Man down = You cannot say that "all English women are whores" because an English girl went down on a load of blokes in a Magaluf nightclub for a shot of alcohol Who would argue with that? Right?

As an American, I am stereotyped as a gun-loving, bible-thumping, war-mongering, racist, loud mouth who feels especially entitled. I accept that enough Americans who are that way that people are right to presume it is partly true until proven otherwise. Other posters with different experiences in China than yours were just sharing their own experiences in the interest of balance. I'm happy you got to live in a bubble during your time in China.

p.s. Stop defending China. It is the world's largest economy and we all may be spitting and pushing in line in the future.

I never defend China. My own views on living in the country are on record in many places. I have never been happier to leave somewhere in my life. That still doesn't change the fact that you cannot tarnish an entire nation by the behaviour of four clowns. If you had read what I had written rather than responding to it with your own agenda; you would see this is a response to someone who suggested that that was an entirely appropriate way to behave. And thus there's no straw man at the table - it's the demolishing of the argument in front of me; rather than the one in your head - which is much harder to argue.

[TheSiemReaper]

Thank you, I always enjoy being patronized by a racist ignoramus for breakfast. It's good to see the world through your own prejudiced lenses just so I can be thankful that no matter how much of a git I am today; I will still fall short of your own dramatic standards.

You may "hear stories all the time" but whilst there's no doubt that the Chinese are a bit rude by a Western yardstick; they are not particularly given to violent outbursts on planes any certainly not more so than any other nationality. You may be laying in wait to blame everything on Chinese people; the more rational of us tend to ask sensible questions like; "Which total plonker judges 1.3 billion people by the behaviour of 4 members of that group?" Sadly, I actually got an answer to that question. My condolences to you - life must be a wonderful place when you can see in ignorant black and white based on the occasional newspaper article.

So all posters living/working in China are lying??

The Chinese government supply their outbound tourists with a booklet "How to behave", because even the Chinese authorities acknowledge the problem!!

This is not racism, but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade, even if it doesn't fit into your lovely political correct la-la world!!

This poster lived in China for 3 years until he moved to Cambodia. I have a pretty good idea how China works; I ran a business there. This isn't about political correctness. This is about stupidity. You cannot say that "all English women are whores" because an English girl went down on a load of blokes in a Magaluf nightclub for a shot of alcohol; any more than you can say "all Chinese are evil" because 4 of them acted like idiots on a plane.

There simply is no correlation, nor pattern that would make these events statistically significant enough to tar all Chinese people with the same brush.

Oh, I also married a Chinese person. She'd never, ever behave like that.

Here we have a perfect example of a Straw Man Argument http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

You set up the Straw Man = any more than you can say "all Chinese are evil" (Nobody but you said this)

Then you knock the Straw Man down = You cannot say that "all English women are whores" because an English girl went down on a load of blokes in a Magaluf nightclub for a shot of alcohol Who would argue with that? Right?

As an American, I am stereotyped as a gun-loving, bible-thumping, war-mongering, racist, loud mouth who feels especially entitled. I accept that enough Americans who are that way that people are right to presume it is partly true until proven otherwise. Other posters with different experiences in China than yours were just sharing their own experiences in the interest of balance. I'm happy you got to live in a bubble during your time in China.

p.s. Stop defending China. It is the world's largest economy and we all may be spitting and pushing in line in the future.

I never defend China. My own views on living in the country are on record in many places. I have never been happier to leave somewhere in my life. That still doesn't change the fact that you cannot tarnish an entire nation by the behaviour of four clowns. If you had read what I had written rather than responding to it with your own agenda; you would see this is a response to someone who suggested that that was an entirely appropriate way to behave. And thus there's no straw man at the table - it's the demolishing of the argument in front of me; rather than the one in your head - which is much harder to argue.

[ExPratt]

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China is one weird country with a billion people who have been brainwashed all of their lives.You would think communist (Socialist) countries would preach for an ordered considerate society. However due to the Chairman's purges it became dangerous to talk openly and keep company with anyone except immediate family so their social skills are non existent. China is also pretty much a lawless state, you only feel the power of the Government if you attempt to undermine or disrupt them.Offences against other citizens is pretty much unpunished. So their behavior in this case, although not excusable is an extension of the pushing in queues, driving with no thought of other road users, spitting and shitting in public, smoking in elevators and generally being obnoxious and rude. As my Mum used to say "Its the way they have been brought up"

Not a pop at Chinese as a Race , 60 years of communism has not done the People of PRC a lot of favours

From what I have read, pre revoulution was much worse.

Depends if you class 70 million dead in a few years as worse than what they had before. Its a massive ungovernable country

It's commonly understood in China that roughly that number of people (or more) would have died under the previous leadership too if the communists hadn't taken over. That's why there's very little genuine dislike of Mao in the country; they know what happened in his name and have chosen to accept that it was necessary because the alternatives were worse.

Possibly so , but they didn't have much choice in the matter with Mao. When he started his purges he gave a kill rate directive that between 1 and 2 % of the population were to be "Purged". Also his rate for government rice collections were more than what the people actually harvested , leaving millions to starve to death, People may have suffered before "Liberation" as they call it, but not in such an en Masse fashion

[Sviss Geez]

" The four maybe too wealthy..."

I wonder if the "Nation" will write the same critical article next time when Thai "hi sos" show disgusting behaviour in public. I doubt it.

I wonder if your reading ability will ever approach normal? I doubt it. The article was not written by The Nation it was lifted from the China Daily which was criticising China's own citizens.

[Sviss Geez]

You invited them now you are asking your guest to behave themselves , however we all know where you are coming from , just don't brag to much about the Chinese , you sometimes give the impression that they are the saviour of Thailand, after all they have been awarded for the last decade the world's worst tourists awards , I guess these varity don't book into the BKK Hilton on the River either.

"You invited them now you are asking your guest to behave themselves"

Don't have a go at Thailand over this, The China Daily that wrote the critical article did not invite them to Thailand. China Daily is asking it's own nationals to behave.

[hanuman2543]

" The four maybe too wealthy..."

I wonder if the "Nation" will write the same critical article next time when Thai "hi sos" show disgusting behaviour in public. I doubt it.

I wonder if your reading ability will ever approach normal? I doubt it. The article was not written by The Nation it was lifted from the China Daily which was criticising China's own citizens.

OK I will change the wording of my post to: publish instead of write. And apart from personal attacks: what is your point? You are a first class Thai apologist and your arguments are full of holes like a Swiss cheese. I doubt that you live in Thailand at all or you are unbelievable naive and clueless. Or is your gf " different"?

Edited December 16, 2014 by hanuman2543

[micmichd]

"You only feel the power of the government if you undermine ir disrupt them"

LOL

[Yann55]

If this had happened in the west they would looking at jail time. Why were they let off with a fine? Unbelievable. Hope the Chinese government throws the book at them.

My dear Bim, I'm afraid the answer to your question is all too obvious. They were let off with a fine because they are Chinese, and all the vassal (or soon to be vassal) countries around the Chinese giant are now officially messing their pants when faced with outrageous Chinese behaviour in any field. It's called kow tow if I'm not mistaken.

As discussions about China pop up more and more often on this forum, I keep recommending one particular book to anyone who is interested in acquiring or complementing a documented opinion (as opposed to the usual stereotyped clichés) on this fascinating country.

The book is called 'When China Rules the World', by Martin Jacques.

[Sviss Geez]

I'm not sure how the behaviour of 4 idiots is somehow supposed to reflect on their nation as a whole. The whole world is full of really stupid and often quite nasty people; this doesn't mean that you can start painting "anti-China" rhetoric on everything over an isolated incident.

God knows, I've lived in China and have some idea of how difficult the Chinese can be but this isn't typical or even close to typical Chinese behaviour and would be best ignored as an abberration.

Who are you accusing of "painting anti-China rhetoric on everything" over an isolated incident? The "anti-China rhetoric" you refer to was written by a Chinese newspaper.

[ExPratt]

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"You only feel the power of the government if you undermine ir disrupt them"
LOL

Basically they are not overly concerned what people do as long as long as you don't do or say anything to challenge them. Quite a lawless society surprisingly. The police are not armed and the Army rule the roost

[CantSpell]

AirAsia was lucky they were not party officials

Look at this one

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Chinese official flips-out at airport

Communist Party official Yan Linkun smashes two boarding gate computers and tries to break a window after missing his second flight at Kunming Changshui airport, China.

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[bim]

If this had happened in the west they would looking at jail time. Why were they let off with a fine? Unbelievable. Hope the Chinese government throws the book at them.

My dear Bim, I'm afraid the answer to your question is all too obvious. They were let off with a fine because they are Chinese, and all the vassal (or soon to be vassal) countries around the Chinese giant are now officially messing their pants when faced with outrageous Chinese behaviour in any field. It's called kow tow if I'm not mistaken.

As discussions about China pop up more and more often on this forum, I keep recommending one particular book to anyone who is interested in acquiring or complementing a documented opinion (as opposed to the usual stereotyped clichés) on this fascinating country.

The book is called 'When China Rules the World', by Martin Jacques.

Interesting thank you I will look it up. I have read many on American Imperialism so would be interesting to read about Chinese Imperialism also. I wonder if a westerner had done that midair if they would be in the Bangkok Hilton by now. Replies on a postcard addressed to Dr Who re the Tardis, PO Box 5555 Edited December 16, 2014 by bim

[ExPratt]

He'd have been shot dead in about 3 seconds at LHR

[ExPratt]

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If this had happened in the west they would looking at jail time. Why were they let off with a fine? Unbelievable. Hope the Chinese government throws the book at them.

My dear Bim, I'm afraid the answer to your question is all too obvious. They were let off with a fine because they are Chinese, and all the vassal (or soon to be vassal) countries around the Chinese giant are now officially messing their pants when faced with outrageous Chinese behaviour in any field. It's called kow tow if I'm not mistaken.

As discussions about China pop up more and more often on this forum, I keep recommending one particular book to anyone who is interested in acquiring or complementing a documented opinion (as opposed to the usual stereotyped clichés) on this fascinating country.

The book is called 'When China Rules the World', by Martin Jacques.

I'll keep an eye out for that. I read Frank Dikotters , Mao's Great Famine and The Tragedy of Liberation, quite eye opening about the early years of PRC

[spidermike007]

China is one weird country with a billion people who have been brainwashed all of their lives.You would think communist (Socialist) countries would preach for an ordered considerate society. However due to the Chairman's purges it became dangerous to talk openly and keep company with anyone except immediate family so their social skills are non existent. China is also pretty much a lawless state, you only feel the power of the Government if you attempt to undermine or disrupt them.Offences against other citizens is pretty much unpunished. So their behavior in this case, although not excusable is an extension of the pushing in queues, driving with no thought of other road users, spitting and shitting in public, smoking in elevators and generally being obnoxious and rude. As my Mum used to say "Its the way they have been brought up"

Not a pop at Chinese as a Race , 60 years of communism has not done the People of PRC a lot of favours

True that, about the government. Having Mao as a leader is not exactly something to be proud of. The term desperate despot comes to mind. And their present government is not much better, though certainly an improvement over the murderous, and ill informed thug that Mao was. I believe their government has truly bad intentions, both for their own people, and the world at large. I like the Chinese people. I find most to be jovial, pleasant, fun loving, and decent people. But, their govt. is quite another story. Power hungry billionaire despots populate the entire Politburo.

[Sviss Geez]

" The four maybe too wealthy..."

I wonder if the "Nation" will write the same critical article next time when Thai "hi sos" show disgusting behaviour in public. I doubt it.

I wonder if your reading ability will ever approach normal? I doubt it. The article was not written by The Nation it was lifted from the China Daily which was criticising China's own citizens.

OK I will change the wording of my post to: publish instead of write. And apart from personal attacks: what is your point? You are a first class Thai apologist and your arguments are full of holes like a Swiss cheese. I doubt that you live in Thailand at all or you are unbelievable naive and clueless. Or is your gf " different"?

My point is that some people do not read OPs before hammering away at their keyboards and producing a nonsense post in an ill-informed effort to continue the Thai-bashing. If I were a Thai apologist that would be my privilege surely and that would sit more comfortably with me than being a Thai-basher? What's your point about that?

I live in Bangkok and have done since 1994 but what does where I live have to do with anything? I'm not naive at all, and the clueless one is certainly not me in this case.

I do understand your cliched and hackneyed reference to a "different" type of girlfriend and that moronic and irrelevant comment only confirms my assertion that I am not the clueless one here.

"Swiss cheese"? Would that be a witless dig at what you (incorrectly) perceive as my nationality? Very clever.

[Christie Paul]

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I'm not sure how the behaviour of 4 idiots is somehow supposed to reflect on their nation as a whole. The whole world is full of really stupid and often quite nasty people; this doesn't mean that you can start painting "anti-China" rhetoric on everything over an isolated incident.

God knows, I've lived in China and have some idea of how difficult the Chinese can be but this isn't typical or even close to typical Chinese behaviour and would be best ignored as an abberration.

This particular case , doesn't happen every day obviously. I lived in China for a few years myself and I find that they have very poor "Social skills" shall we call them. I was not lucky enough to be in Shanghai or Beijing , but Wuhan , X'ian , Changsha and a number of smaller towns, you know population 8 million those sort of little hamlets

As the Duke of Edinburgh famously said about China - 'absolutely ghastly'

And of Bognor, George V said, "Bugger Bognor".

[Yann55]

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If this had happened in the west they would looking at jail time. Why were they let off with a fine? Unbelievable. Hope the Chinese government throws the book at them.

My dear Bim, I'm afraid the answer to your question is all too obvious. They were let off with a fine because they are Chinese, and all the vassal (or soon to be vassal) countries around the Chinese giant are now officially messing their pants when faced with outrageous Chinese behaviour in any field. It's called kow tow if I'm not mistaken.

As discussions about China pop up more and more often on this forum, I keep recommending one particular book to anyone who is interested in acquiring or complementing a documented opinion (as opposed to the usual stereotyped clichés) on this fascinating country.

The book is called 'When China Rules the World', by Martin Jacques.

I'll keep an eye out for that. I read Frank Dikotters , Mao's Great Famine and The Tragedy of Liberation, quite eye opening about the early years of PRC

Just a little extra info about Jacques's book.

Anyone looking for a one sided, prejudiced and virulent attack against 'Chinese imperialism' will be disappointed, because Dr Jacques' remarkable study is nothing of the sort, and that is why I find it so interesting.

It is not in any way a mountain of praise for the Chinese present policy either.

It is a serious, extensive, informed and honest analysis. It casts aside both positive and negative preconceived ideas and manages to paint a fascinating portrait of Chinese sociology, economics and politics at a crucial moment when this country (or 'civilization-state' as Jacques would put it) is about to take over the world leadership, whether 'we' like it or not.

Like Bim pointed out in his reply to my first post, there have been innumerable essays written on American imperialism, most of them irrelevant, useless and boring because they were more eager to prove than to inform and explore.

[charmonman]

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@Paddyjenkins - it is clear that no-one can win a battle of wits when their opponent arrives unarmed to the tournament. I bow to your lack of preparation and failure to understand "statistical signifcance" in the meaningful and commonly accepted manner and congratulate you on blaming "political correctness gone mad" for your racism. That's a tactic that no racist has ever tried before. Honest.

You can't win this battle of wits because you are half witted

Now, here's a test for you...I take a 100 flights to various destinations and with various starting points and am extremely disturbed by shouting and inconsiderate behavior on 60 of those flights and that's just the ones with a large contingent of mainland Chinese...is that or is that not statistically significant in terms of there being a correlation between disturbance and the presence of mainland Chinese? Hmmm....go and plug that into your little formula and see what it says.

Man ... this whole exchange is starting to resemble the internet forum equivalent of a plane full of badly behaved Chinese tourists

[Tomtomtom69]

" The four maybe too wealthy..."

I wonder if the "Nation" will write the same critical article next time when Thai "hi sos" show disgusting behaviour in public. I doubt it.

"Too wealthy" Haha well if they were wealthier they wouldn't have chosen to fly with a budget carrier like Air Asia but a proper legacy carrier such as THAI or Air China. So that fact alone proves they aren't that wealthy but that's not really the point.

[lildragon]

I just read about the daughter of the Korean airways executive throwing a fit for being served peanuts in a bag, beating up the crews then making them beg her for forgivness! That case makes me more sick than this one. Looks like the government are stepping in to prosecute her. Nothing serious will actually happen of course.

Kind of off topic but couldn't see a thread on it in world news.

[micmichd]

China is one weird country with a billion people who have been brainwashed all of their lives.You would think communist (Socialist) countries would preach for an ordered considerate society. However due to the Chairman's purges it became dangerous to talk openly and keep company with anyone except immediate family so their social skills are non existent. China is also pretty much a lawless state, you only feel the power of the Government if you attempt to undermine or disrupt them.Offences against other citizens is pretty much unpunished. So their behavior in this case, although not excusable is an extension of the pushing in queues, driving with no thought of other road users, spitting and shitting in public, smoking in elevators and generally being obnoxious and rude. As my Mum used to say "Its the way they have been brought up"

Not a pop at Chinese as a Race , 60 years of communism has not done the People of PRC a lot of favours

True that, about the government. Having Mao as a leader is not exactly something to be proud of. The term desperate despot comes to mind. And their present government is not much better, though certainly an improvement over the murderous, and ill informed thug that Mao was. I believe their government has truly bad intentions, both for their own people, and the world at large. I like the Chinese people. I find most to be jovial, pleasant, fun loving, and decent people. But, their govt. is quite another story. Power hungry billionaire despots populate the entire Politburo.

Having Mao as the founding father of the PRC is something to have.

[paddyjenkins]

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If this had happened in the west they would looking at jail time. Why were they let off with a fine? Unbelievable. Hope the Chinese government throws the book at them.

My dear Bim, I'm afraid the answer to your question is all too obvious. They were let off with a fine because they are Chinese, and all the vassal (or soon to be vassal) countries around the Chinese giant are now officially messing their pants when faced with outrageous Chinese behaviour in any field. It's called kow tow if I'm not mistaken.

As discussions about China pop up more and more often on this forum, I keep recommending one particular book to anyone who is interested in acquiring or complementing a documented opinion (as opposed to the usual stereotyped clichés) on this fascinating country.

The book is called 'When China Rules the World', by Martin Jacques.

I'll keep an eye out for that. I read Frank Dikotters , Mao's Great Famine and The Tragedy of Liberation, quite eye opening about the early years of PRC

Just a little extra info about Jacques's book.

Anyone looking for a one sided, prejudiced and virulent attack against 'Chinese imperialism' will be disappointed, because Dr Jacques' remarkable study is nothing of the sort, and that is why I find it so interesting.

It is not in any way a mountain of praise for the Chinese present policy either.

It is a serious, extensive, informed and honest analysis. It casts aside both positive and negative preconceived ideas and manages to paint a fascinating portrait of Chinese sociology, economics and politics at a crucial moment when this country (or 'civilization-state' as Jacques would put it) is about to take over the world leadership, whether 'we' like it or not.

Like Bim pointed out in his reply to my first post, there have been innumerable essays written on American imperialism, most of them irrelevant, useless and boring because they were more eager to prove than to inform and explore.

I think I might write a book too...chapter 1 bad eating habits, chapter 2 shouting, chapter 3 public defecation, chapter 4 tantrums on planes and in airports etc....there is a lot to write about....I think it would be very popular and be required reading at universities

Edited December 16, 2014 by paddyjenkins

[smoochy]

https://twitter.com/aviationsafety/status/544755128914681857

Need I say more?

[FangFerang]

"they reportedly refused to leave until the flight crew gave them a written testimony that whatever had been reported about their bad behavior was false."

Wow. The headline should have read "Air Asia Toes the Chinese Line".

Others commented that if they were wealthy or influential they would not have chosen a budget airline.

Wrong. The Chinese version of cheap makes Ebeneezer Scrooge look like a generous philanthropist before his first dream.

Edited December 16, 2014 by FangFerang

[Tomtomtom69]

I'm not sure how the behaviour of 4 idiots is somehow supposed to reflect on their nation as a whole. The whole world is full of really stupid and often quite nasty people; this doesn't mean that you can start painting "anti-China" rhetoric on everything over an isolated incident.

God knows, I've lived in China and have some idea of how difficult the Chinese can be but this isn't typical or even close to typical Chinese behaviour and would be best ignored as an abberration.

Since you're not sure I'll help you along a bit.

The reason is its part of a pattern, not an isolated incident, just another one. Mainland Chinese tourists are seen and reported behaving poorly, far more so than any other nationality I am aware of, even factoring in the population size.

From stealing life vests and crockery on planes, to screaming and shouting and fighting, we hear the stories all the time. But even if there isn't a "scene", on every flight I've been on they tend to ruin the trip for other travelers because of talking and shouting extremely loudly and moving about the plane. Off the plane their behavior is often equally disgusting and inconsiderate and ill mannered, including spitting, shouting and causing disturbance of the peace wherever they go, to public defecation, to throwing tantrums, to pushing and shoving and cutting into queues.

And it doesn't stop there. They have a reputation for greed and dishonesty in business, those that are wealthy often display their wealth in the most vulgar fashion and we frequently learn that they have gained that wealth through either corruption or cheating.

Yes, yawn yawn yawn, I already know what your going to say...don't generalize...it's not all...well, we know not all, we know there are probably many who are decent and considerate, but the frequency of terrible behavior is prevalent enough that their image is now deservedly bad. If they want to improve their image, and I doubt they really care, then relying on idiot apologists won't get them far, because the only thing that will help is to start behaving decently and respectfully towards other nationalities and in other peoples countries.

Hope you get it now.

Thank you, I always enjoy being patronized by a racist ignoramus for breakfast. It's good to see the world through your own prejudiced lenses just so I can be thankful that no matter how much of a git I am today; I will still fall short of your own dramatic standards.

You may "hear stories all the time" but whilst there's no doubt that the Chinese are a bit rude by a Western yardstick; they are not particularly given to violent outbursts on planes any certainly not more so than any other nationality. You may be laying in wait to blame everything on Chinese people; the more rational of us tend to ask sensible questions like; "Which total plonker judges 1.3 billion people by the behaviour of 4 members of that group?" Sadly, I actually got an answer to that question. My condolences to you - life must be a wonderful place when you can see in ignorant black and white based on the occasional newspaper article.

I'll say it one more time as you are clearly very slow and require remedial tutoring. I said the incident was part of a pattern. Nobody is judging an entire nation based on 4 people, but they are judging based on a pattern....a very clear one, if you are too stupid to see the pattern then too bad. If you object to judgement based on a pattern then you are just blinding yourself to the facts. The facts are very clear but it needs a certain level of intelligence to see them. As for your comment about being a bit ruder than Westerners...LOL...they aren't a bit ruder, their rudeness is totally off the charts. As for your comment about racism, you just expose your own stupidity and bigotry there again, relaying in worn out platitudes to attack with. I said mainland Chinese, I didn't actually paint all Chinese with the same brush at all, so no racism there matey. And I know quite a few non mainland Chinese who find the behavior of the mainland Chinese even more disgusting than I do. Now go and put your dunce hat on.

While I don't want to get involved in this "cyberfight" I should let you know that over on the Cambodia section of the forum TheSiemReaper openly said that "China was the worst place he ever lived, the people are rude etc." whereas I defended the place saying it's actually not bad, but you do have to know the language etc. but he ignorantly rebutted and said "I don't have time to waste learning the language of every place I live in, when I might not live there forever". Strangely on this thread he's defending the place to the core, even accusing others of racism as if he were some sort of spokesperson for the Chinese. The fact is, political correctness and racism do not translate well into Chinese. The Chinese themselves don't care for these "western" concepts and won't hesitate to call something what it is, so no matter which way this argument goes, nobody will care. But without going too much off topic, I think paddyjenkins has made some good points.

[Tomtomtom69]

If this had happened in the west they would looking at jail time. Why were they let off with a fine? Unbelievable. Hope the Chinese government throws the book at them.

My dear Bim, I'm afraid the answer to your question is all too obvious. They were let off with a fine because they are Chinese, and all the vassal (or soon to be vassal) countries around the Chinese giant are now officially messing their pants when faced with outrageous Chinese behaviour in any field. It's called kow tow if I'm not mistaken.

As discussions about China pop up more and more often on this forum, I keep recommending one particular book to anyone who is interested in acquiring or complementing a documented opinion (as opposed to the usual stereotyped clichés) on this fascinating country.

The book is called 'When China Rules the World', by Martin Jacques.

What garbage. They were let off because the Thais didn't know how to handle this case and handing out a fine is much easier than taking them to court. Of course they would have been taken into custody if this had happened in the west. No idea what sentence would have been handed out but probably it wouldn't have been more than 6-12 months or even a suspended sentence and banned from flying Air Asia. And although I'm very angry that the Thais passed the buck to the Chinese, it's not without precedent. In Thailand it's better to hand out a fine and "save face" than to go through lengthy legal proceedings for something like this. This all happened the way it happened simply because it's Thailand.

[micmichd]

Did it ever come into your mind that Chinese people might be questioned again in China for violating the reputation of their country?

[Tomtomtom69]

"they reportedly refused to leave until the flight crew gave them a written testimony that whatever had been reported about their bad behavior was false."

Wow. The headline should have read "Air Asia Toes the Chinese Line".

Others commented that if they were wealthy or influential they would not have chosen a budget airline.

Wrong. The Chinese version of cheap makes Ebeneezer Scrooge look like a generous philanthropist before his first dream.

Well clearly they were angry and I suppose if I were them, I too would have reacted in a similar way about the written testimony. But then again, of course I would never ever act like that in the first place hence that was a moot point.

But anyway, it should be quite clear that Air Asia will never carry these idiots again because they would be banned from flying with them indefinitely.

But seriously, although many Chinese are cheap but in this case the idiots involved were probably on some budget price package tour. They could afford the airline ticket, but there is absolutely nothing to suggest they have a lot of money - indeed they probably only earn a standard US$800-1000 a month salary that is common in second tier Chinese cities. I again stand by my point that if they had more money, then they would have chosen a legacy carrier. I assume that because I choose legacy carriers, that practically everyone that chooses to fly a budget carrier has less money than I do, although there might be a few that want to save some bucks, genuinely well off people do NOT fly budget carriers!